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Since the NFL Draft II thread got locked... From Django Quote:
Going off of the updated cbs rankings, here's my latest Browns mock:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings
6) OLB Mingo or OLB J.Jones (tough spot, would prefer a tradedown)
68) FS Amerson or OLB B.Jenkins or OLB C.Thomas or OLB Carradine
101) CB Wreh-Wilson or FS Cyprien or DT/DE Logan or QB EJ Manuel
132) OT Armstead or CB Robey or FS Motta
~170) ILB Mauti or DB Mathieu or OT Mills or CB Adams or G Uzzi
~204) and ~206) 2 of WR Boyce, P Allen, OLB E.Martin, DE J.Kruger, DE Lewis-Moore, DE S.Vallone, OT Wetzel, OLB Q.Smith, CB J.Johnson, CB Malone, TE Rivera, WR Moe, RB Winn, FS Boyett, CB M.White, RB Johnson, OT O.Johnson
I'd want more 3rd day picks
As always 2nd to 4th is where the value's at. The question for the Browns will be what's better? Rolling the dice on "high end" boom/(injury) busts like Mingo/J:Jones + Amerson
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punt our 1st rounder and get 2 more 2nd to 4th rounders in return
Is Mingo/Jones+Amerson better than, say: D.Jones/D.Jordan + Patton/Poyer+Amerson+Logan (or flyer on a falling QB like EJ Manuel) ??
I somewhat prefer the 2nd scenario...our 1st pick would still be a "risky" pass rushing prospect, but we'd get a "safe" 2nd round guy like Patton or Poyer and either another flyer (QB or injury player...Carradine? Jenkins?) or solid pick like Logan or S.Bailey in the 3rd/4th round range to "risk control" the draft class
Mine's not too different...assuming we do nothing with these positions in FA. To be fair, my knowledge of players this year is not nearly as deep as in the past.
6) OLB Jarvis Jones, OLB Dion Jordan (I think he's a top 10-15 talent despite CBS having him at 27), or Trade Down
68) CB David Amerson, or FS Bacarri Rambo
101) CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson, or OG Brian Winters
132) RB Kenjon Barner
~170) CB Micah Hyde, WR Corey Fuller, or OLB Stansly Maponga
~204/206) TE Jake Stoneburner, ILB Dan Molls, FS Rashard Hall, OG Sam Brenner, or P Quinn Sharp
I'm hoping for Brent Grimes (CB) and Dashon Goldson (FS) in Free Agency, which would change things to:
6) OLB Jarvis Jones, OLB Dion Jordan (I think he's a top 10-15 talent despite CBS having him at 27), or Trade Down
68) OG Justin Pugh or TE Jordan Reed
101) CB Blidi Wreh-Wilson, or OG Brian Winters
132) RB Kenjon Barner
~170) CB Micah Hyde, WR Corey Fuller, or OLB Stansly Maponga
~204/206) TE Jake Stoneburner, ILB Dan Molls, FS Rashard Hall, OG Sam Brenner, or P Quinn Sharp
No QB, though I would be surprised if we don't pick one somewhere. Just a guess, but guys I'd expect we'd look at are Tyler Wilson, Zac Dysert, or Colby Cameron late.
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Question about the Amerson pick. Would you draft him with the plan to keep him at Cb or with the plan of making him a FS?
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f that's the top 5 that means Geno Smith did not get drafted. If that happens, we can either happily draft Smith or get a boatload of picks from someone like the Cardinals or the Jets who would be happy to draft him. Weeden is 7 years older than Smith and with the new draft cap, he makes about $350,000. The current regime has no ties to Weeden and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Browns draft Smith with the 6th pick. However, I think there's no way Smith goes any lower than 3rd so it's a bit of a moot point.
The Jets and Cards pick right after the Browns, along with the Bills, and I just don't see a boat load of picks coming to move down one or two spots. Had Smith showed up for the senior bowl and looked good I would agree with him being gone early but I think he will slide some in the draft unless he really lights it up at the combine. I thought he would go to the Chiefs but now I don't know. IMO it depends on how desperate Reid is to put his own stamp on the team.
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I would rather keep our 1st rounder and grab a premium player .... and maybe even trade to get into the 2nd round ...... even if we have to give up almost all of the rest of our draft.
The way I see it, our most pressing needs are a pass rushing OLB, a CB, a FS, and a pass catching TE. As far as the rest of the usual chum that turns up in training camp, I don't see much sense of turning over the young players on the roster in favor of more young players. I would rather try to find a pair of difference makers in this draft, and maybe 1 quality player. Go try to fill a couple of spots in free agency ..... like maybe TE Brandon Myers from Oakland ....... and maybe a FS out of the mass of humanity available in free agency, then hunker down for the draft and try to find a couple of guy who could be future All Pros.
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If it only was that easy every team would do it  Do you know for sure who will be the best pass rusher in 2-3 years from the group of Mingo, J.Jones, Jordan, Ansah? 1 or 2 will be studs, 1 or 2 will be ok like Wimbley and the 4th will probably be a Gholston like bust. You know for sure who is who? I know, I know that's why THEY get paid and you do not....but any humble GM (and I'm not sure Lombardi qualifies here, lol) hedges their bets when it comes to a draft class I'm not sure what you're looking at, but I don't see a roster that's 2 stud rooks away from winning out short or mid term and looking over the roster and being VERY generous to several young guys I have us at 15 open roster spots...there's plenty of room and need for a 7-10 rooks draft class, even after signing 5+ FAs
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I am looking at a roster in desperate need of a stud player or 2. Great players make everyone about them better just by virtue of thier presence and abilities.
Right now we have several "pretty good" players, but no one that forces the opposition to gameplan for. Haden is probably the closest, but I don't think that he's there either.
We have to give up the idea that a bunch of pretty good players will turn this into a Super Bowl team. We need exceptional players ..... we need to hit some home runs at the top of the draft instead of trading down to pick up more "good to pretty good" players.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Question about the Amerson pick. Would you draft him with the plan to keep him at Cb or with the plan of making him a FS?
Yes 
Either really, if he beat out our 2nd corner, then start him at CB. If he beats out either FS, then start him there.
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We have to give up the idea that a bunch of pretty good players will turn this into a Super Bowl team. We need exceptional players ..... we need to hit some home runs at the top of the draft instead of trading down to pick up more "good to pretty good" players.
I agree with this position...now. However, the last few years I preferred the trade down - and avoiding the RG III-type trade up - because we had such a glaring and overwhelming lack of talent. We had to have all the higher picks we could accumulate.
Losing out on an exceptional player in exchange for a handful of "pretty good" starters was absolutely the right thing to do at that time(s). Our talent level was abysmal.
At #6 overall there is no way we should even consider a boom-or-bust guy. He has GOT to be a player who is as certain to be a stud as one can find.
That said - and understand that I am no draft guru - I am afraid we might find ourselves a victim of bad luck/timing.
There are no QBs worthy of the #6 pick...we don't need a LT or RT at that slot...we are switching to a 3-4, so a stud DE is out...we won't take a S at that spot...I think there is only (1) CB available worthy of the #6 overall...and there are a handful of guys who are "expected" to make the switch from college, 4-3 DE to NFL, 3-4 OLB..."expected"...see where I'm going?
The one OLB guy I've heard of as a sure-fire stud has spinal stenosis and has been advised to retire from football...and has a track record of not putting in the work throughout the week.
There very-well may be a couple other "sure-fire" OLBs available...but if the #1 OLB guy isn't cleared medically or is gone...and the #1 CB is gone...we very-well may take a stud G...or trade down (again) with someone who covets one of the OL that may be sitting there at #6.
And we should do exactly that. Even tho it will PO half the Browns fans in existence.
I have long been an opponent of picking the tweeners. We've not gotten it right since the return. Maybe this new FO can get it right. I do not want a guy at #6 who "might" or who is "expected"...I want as "sure" a thing as can be had.
I hear ya...I feel ya...However, I think we are a victim of bad luck and unfortunate timing. 
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May not be popular , but I would trade down all over the place this year for next year high raft picks .. This class just dosn't do a thing for , but next season , zooooowie !
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May not be popular , but I would trade down all over the place this year for next year high raft picks .. This class just dosn't do a thing
The problem is that the other teams realize this too, so the odds of trading down aren't as high since there may not be as many teams wanting to trade up. Sending out the right smoke screens could certainly help on draft day.
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Alright, folks, hear me out on this one.
A thought I had while seeing all this stuff on the 3-4 and the draft.
The Browns are massively under the cap right now, and with a new salary floor coming up, will NEED to spend money in free agency.
We will use some of that money on draft picks obviously and also on extending players like Mack, Haden, and Ward, but will still have to spend more.
With our current situation and the switch to the 3-4, I think we have an outstanding opportunity to not only massively improve our situation but also hurt a division rival.
If possible, we should go all out on getting Paul Kruger during FA.
He is a proven commodity as a pass rusher and linebacker in a 3-4, could be a strong bookend with Sheard on the other side, and would allow us to focus on other positions in the draft.
My ideal situation would be this:
DE Taylor
NT Rubin
DE Winn
OLB Sheard
ILB Johnson
ILB Jackson
OLB Kruger
CB Haden
FS Brown
SS Ward
CB Milliner
That lineup has serious potential IMO.
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I'd be happy about signing Kruger, but not sure how I'd feel about him being the highest-paid defender on our roster. It's tricky I think. I'd like to see us use a considerable amount of our cap locking up our core guys long-term:
Haden
Ward
Little
Gordon (I know he's only one year into his deal)
Mack is probably coming up on his extension
Any LB we have that looks solid in the 3-4 once we start playing
If we can get Kruger for ~6 mil or so, then sure, but if he's looking for anything near the LB franchise number ($9.5) then heck no. Don't want the rest of the guys to feel put off and decrease our chances of retaining our quality players.
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May not be popular , but I would trade down all over the place this year for next year high raft picks .. This class just dosn't do a thing
The problem is that the other teams realize this too, so the odds of trading down aren't as high since there may not be as many teams wanting to trade up. Sending out the right smoke screens could certainly help on draft day.
I agree with you...however, there is a good chance that a very good LT will be sitting there at #6. I think that is our only hope at a favorable trade down.
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I've stated in other threads that we should draft CB Milliner as well. With an attacking style defense, with our OLBs,its less about finding unique talent, its more about finding guys that can do what you ask.
The secondary will have to be pretty damn good to handle the number of blitzes we will be sending, and adding Milliner would do WONDERS for our defense.
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I'm coming around to that as well, Turk... Moore and Milliner have been 1a/1b for me for a while, but when I look at our next pick and who might be available there, I like the pass rushers more than I like the corners.
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OK, so here are my post-senior bowl positional rankings. I'm sure this will draw many scoffs, but I'm interested to hear what specific placings or omissions people think are ridiculous. Feedback, please!
4-3 RDE:
1 *Damontre Moore DE Texas A&M
2 Alex Okafor DE Texas
3 *Bjoern Werner DE Florida State
4 Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
5 *Barkevious Mingo DE LSU
6 Devin Taylor DE South Carolina
7 Dion Jordan DE Oregon
8 Brandon Jenkins DE Florida State
9 Ezekiel Ansah DE Brigham Young
10 *Corey Lemonier DE Auburn
11 Cornelius Washington DE Georgia
12 Malliciah Goodman DE Clemson
13 *William Gholston DE Michigan State
14 *Sam Montgomery DE LSU
15 John Simon DE Ohio State
16 Larry Webster DE Bloomsburg
17 Datone Jones DE UCLA
18 Margus Hunt DE Southern Methodist
19 Michael Buchanan DE Illinois
20 Lavar Edwards DE LSU
4-3 LDE:
1 *Damontre Moore DE Texas A&M
2 *Bjoern Werner DE Florida State
3 Alex Okafor DE Texas
4 Datone Jones DE UCLA
5 *Sam Montgomery DE LSU
6 Devin Taylor DE South Carolina
7 Ezekiel Ansah DE Brigham Young
8 *William Gholston DE Michigan State
9 Margus Hunt DE Southern Methodist
10 Malliciah Goodman DE Clemson
11 Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
12 John Simon DE Ohio State
3-4 DE:
1 Star Lotulelei DT Utah
2 *Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State
3 Datone Jones DE UCLA
4 *Sharrif Floyd DT Florida
5 *Bennie Logan DT LSU
6 *William Gholston DE Michigan State
7 Margus Hunt DE Southern Methodist
8 Kawann Short DT Purdue
9 John Jenkins DT Georgia
10 Jesse Williams DT Alabama
11 *Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
12 *Kwame Geathers DT Georgia
13 A.J. Francis DT Maryland
14 Malliciah Goodman DE Clemson
15 Josh Boyd DT Mississippi State
16 William Campbell DT Michigan
NT:
1 Star Lotulelei DT Utah
2 John Jenkins DT Georgia
3 Jesse Williams DT Alabama
4 *Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State
5 Kawann Short DT Purdue
6 Brandon Williams DT Missouri Southern State
7 *Bennie Logan DT LSU
8 Byron Jerideau DT South Carolina
9 *Kwame Geathers DT Georgia
10 Montori Hughes DT Tennessee-Martin
11 A.J. Francis DT Maryland
12 Cory Grissom DT South Florida
UT:
1 Star Lotulelei DT Utah
2 *Sheldon Richardson DT Missouri
3 *Sharrif Floyd DT Florida
4 *Bennie Logan DT LSU
5 *Johnathan Hankins DT Ohio State
6 *Akeem Spence DT Illinois
7 Kawann Short DT Purdue
8 Sylvester Williams DT North Carolina
9 Josh Boyd DT Mississippi State
10 Byron Jerideau DT South Carolina
11 John Jenkins DT Georgia
12 Jordan Hill DT Penn State
13 Everett Dawkins DT Florida State
3-4 OLB:
1 *Damontre Moore DE Texas A&M
2 *Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
3 Brandon Jenkins DE Florida State
4 Cornellius Carradine DE Florida State
5 Alex Okafor DE Texas
6 *Barkevious Mingo DE LSU
7 *Bjoern Werner DE Florida State
8 Dion Jordan DE Oregon
9 Jamie Collins OLB Southern Mississippi
10 Chase Thomas OLB Stanford
11 Ezekiel Ansah DE Brigham Young
12 Cornelius Washington DE Georgia
13 Lavar Edwards DE LSU
14 Larry Webster DE Bloomsburg
15 Brandon Thurmond DE Arkansas-Pine Bluff
16 David Bass DE Missouri Western State
17 John Simon DE Ohio State
18 Travis Long OLB Washington State
19 Devin Taylor DE South Carolina
3-4 ILB:
1 *Kevin Minter ILB LSU
2 Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
3 Nico Johnson ILB Alabama
4 *Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
5 Kevin Reddick ILB North Carolina
6 Jon Bostic ILB Florida
7 *Alec Ogletree OLB Georgia
8 A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State
9 Greg Blair ILB Cincinnati
10 Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers
11 Meshak Williams OLB Kansas State
12 Michael Mauti OLB Penn State
13 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech
14 Travis Long OLB Washington State
15 Jordan Campbell OLB New Mexico Highlands
16 Chase Thomas OLB Stanford
17 Josh Francis OLB West Virginia
18 Kiko Alonso ILB Oregon
19 Jamie Collins OLB Southern Mississippi
4-3 WOLB:
1 *Alec Ogletree OLB Georgia
2 *Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
3 Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers
4 Sean Porter OLB Texas A&M
5 Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
6 Arthur Brown OLB Kansas State
7 *Jelani Jenkins OLB Florida
8 Gerald Hodges OLB Penn State
9 Kevin Reddick ILB North Carolina
10 Etienne Sabino OLB Ohio State
11 Michael Mauti OLB Penn State
12 Josh Francis OLB West Virginia
13 Sio Moore OLB Connecticut
4-3 SOLB:
1 *Jarvis Jones OLB Georgia
2 Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
3 *Kevin Minter ILB LSU
4 Jamie Collins OLB Southern Mississippi
5 Travis Long OLB Washington State
6 Meshak Williams OLB Kansas State
7 *Alec Ogletree OLB Georgia
8 Brandon Sharpe OLB Syracuse
9 DeVonte Holloman OLB South Carolina
10 Kiko Alonso ILB Oregon
11 Gerald Hodges OLB Penn State
12 Michael Mauti OLB Penn State
13 Jordan Campbell OLB New Mexico Highlands
14 Nico Johnson ILB Alabama
15 Greg Blair ILB Cincinnati
16 Trevardo Williams OLB Connecticut
4-3 MLB:
1 Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
2 *Alec Ogletree OLB Georgia
3 *Kevin Minter ILB LSU
4 Kevin Reddick ILB North Carolina
5 Nico Johnson ILB Alabama
6 Jon Bostic ILB Florida
7 Khaseem Greene OLB Rutgers
8 A.J. Klein ILB Iowa State
9 Travis Long OLB Washington State
10 Gerald Hodges OLB Penn State
11 DeVonte Holloman OLB South Carolina
12 Vince Williams ILB Florida State
13 Michael Mauti OLB Penn State
14 Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech
15 Greg Blair ILB Cincinnati
16 Kiko Alonso ILB Oregon
FS:
1 Kenny Vaccaro FS Texas
2 *Matt Elam FS Florida
3 *Eric Reid FS LSU
4 Phillip Thomas FS Fresno State
5 *David Amerson CB North Carolina State
6 *Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State
7 *Tony Jefferson FS Oklahoma
8 Shawn Williams SS Georgia
9 *Dee Milliner CB Alabama
10 Jordan Poyer CB Oregon State
11 Jonathan Cyprien SS Florida International
12 Jamar Taylor CB Boise State
13 D.J. Swearinger FS South Carolina
14 Bacarri Rambo FS Georgia
15 Brandan Bishop FS North Carolina State
16 *Tharold Simon CB LSU
17 Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB Connecticut
18 John Boyett FS Oregon
19 T.J. McDonald FS Southern California
20 Sanders Commings CB Georgia
SS:
1 *Matt Elam FS Florida
2 *Eric Reid FS LSU
3 Jonathan Cyprien SS Florida International
4 Kenny Vaccaro FS Texas
5 Shawn Williams SS Georgia
6 JJ Wilcox SS Georgia Southern
7 Duke Williams SS Nevada
8 Phillip Thomas FS Fresno State
9 Shamarko Thomas SS Syracuse
10 Earl Wolff SS North Carolina State
11 Cooper Taylor SS Richmond
12 *Tony Jefferson FS Oklahoma
13 T.J. McDonald FS Southern California
14 Robert Lester SS Alabama
CB:
1 *Dee Milliner CB Alabama
2 Jordan Poyer CB Oregon State
3 *Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State
4 Desmond Trufant CB Washington
5 Johnthan Banks CB Mississippi State
6 *Logan Ryan CB Rutgers
7 B.W. Webb CB William & Mary
8 Jamar Taylor CB Boise State
9 *David Amerson CB North Carolina State
10 Leon McFadden CB San Diego State
11 *Tyrann Mathieu CB LSU
12 Will Davis CB Utah State
13 Darius Slay CB Mississippi State
14 Robert Alford CB Southeastern Louisiana
15 Dwayne Gratz CB Connecticut
16 *Tharold Simon CB LSU
17 *Nickell Robey CB Southern California
18 Sanders Commings CB Georgia
19 Blidi Wreh-Wilson CB Connecticut
20 Adrian Bushell CB Louisville
21 Brandon McGee CB Miami (Fla.)
22 Marc Anthony CB California
23 Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois
24 Travis Howard CB Ohio State
25 Micah Hyde CB Iowa
26 Branden Smith CB Georgia
27 Johnny Adams CB Michigan State
28 *Terrence Brown CB Stanford
29 Demontre Hurst CB Oklahoma
30 Josh Johnson CB Purdue
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I'd be happy about signing Kruger, but not sure how I'd feel about him being the highest-paid defender on our roster. It's tricky I think. I'd like to see us use a considerable amount of our cap locking up our core guys long-term:
Haden
Ward
Little
Gordon (I know he's only one year into his deal)
Mack is probably coming up on his extension
Any LB we have that looks solid in the 3-4 once we start playing
If we can get Kruger for ~6 mil or so, then sure, but if he's looking for anything near the LB franchise number ($9.5) then heck no. Don't want the rest of the guys to feel put off and decrease our chances of retaining our quality players.
JMO.
Just a heads up, under the new CBA you can't extend players until they have played 3 seasons. This definitely applies to the 2012 draft class but didn't for the '10 class (it has been 3 years now, but this is what allowed the Pats to re-sign Gronk and Hernandez so early). I'm not sure about the '11 class but I want to say that we aren't able to extend them. Maybe someone else can clear this up.
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I'd be happy about signing Kruger, but not sure how I'd feel about him being the highest-paid defender on our roster. It's tricky I think. I'd like to see us use a considerable amount of our cap locking up our core guys long-term:
Haden
Ward
Little
Gordon (I know he's only one year into his deal)
Mack is probably coming up on his extension
Any LB we have that looks solid in the 3-4 once we start playing
If we can get Kruger for ~6 mil or so, then sure, but if he's looking for anything near the LB franchise number ($9.5) then heck no. Don't want the rest of the guys to feel put off and decrease our chances of retaining our quality players.
JMO.
Take Little and Gordon off that list, they cannot be re-signed until the have 1 year left on their original contract.
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QB:
1 Geno Smith QB West Virginia
2 Matt Barkley QB Southern California
3 *Tyler Bray QB Tennessee
4 Tyler Wilson QB Arkansas
5 Mike Glennon QB North Carolina State
6 EJ Manuel QB Florida State
7 Landry Jones QB Oklahoma
8 Matt Scott QB Arizona
9 Ryan Nassib QB Syracuse
10 Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio)
11 Jordan Rodgers QB Vanderbilt
12 Nick Florence QB Baylor
13 Brad Sorensen QB Southern Utah
14 Seth Doege QB Texas Tech
15 Alex Carder QB Western Michigan
16 Sean Renfree QB Duke
17 Jeff Tuel QB Washington State
18 Dayne Crist QB Kansas
19 Colby Cameron QB Louisiana Tech
RB:
1 *Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
2 *Giovani Bernard RB North Carolina
3 *Marcus Lattimore RB South Carolina
4 Andre Ellington RB Clemson
5 Montee Ball RB Wisconsin
6 *Joseph Randle RB Oklahoma State
7 Christine Michael RB Texas A&M
8 Mike Gillislee RB Florida
9 Kenjon Barner RB Oregon
10 *Le'Veon Bell RB Michigan State
11 *Jawan Jamison RB Rutgers
12 Stepfan Taylor RB Stanford
13 Johnathan Franklin RB UCLA
14 Rex Burkhead RB Nebraska
15 Robbie Rouse RB Fresno State
16 Ray Graham RB Pittsburgh
17 Kerwynn Williams RB Utah State
18 *Knile Davis RB Arkansas
19 Dennis Johnson RB Arkansas
WR feature:
1 *DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
2 Terrance Williams WR Baylor
3 *Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
4 *Keenan Allen WR California
5 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech
6 Aaron Dobson WR Marshall
7 *Robert Woods WR Southern California
8 *Justin Hunter WR Tennessee
9 *Da'Rick Rogers WR Tennessee Tech
10 Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State
11 Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
12 Chris Harper WR Kansas State
13 Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas
14 Tavarres King WR Georgia
15 Xavier Boyce WR Norfolk State
16 *Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia
17 *Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma
18 Conner Vernon WR Duke
19 *Josh Boyce WR TCU
20 Corey Fuller WR Virginia Tech
21 Chad Bumphis WR Mississippi State
WR - possession:
1 *DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
2 Terrance Williams WR Baylor
3 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech
4 *Keenan Allen WR California
5 Aaron Dobson WR Marshall
6 *Justin Hunter WR Tennessee
7 *Da'Rick Rogers WR Tennessee Tech
8 Chris Harper WR Kansas State
9 *Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
10 Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State
11 Tavarres King WR Georgia
12 Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas
13 *Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia
14 Ryan Swope WR Texas A&M
15 *Josh Boyce WR TCU
16 *Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma
17 Xavier Boyce WR Norfolk State
18 Chad Bumphis WR Mississippi State
19 Corey Fuller WR Virginia Tech
20 Uzoma Nwachukwu WR Texas A&M
21 Conner Vernon WR Duke
22 *Robert Woods WR Southern California
23 Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
WR - slot:
1 Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
2 Terrance Williams WR Baylor
3 *Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
4 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech
5 *Stedman Bailey WR West Virginia
6 *Robert Woods WR Southern California
7 *DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
8 *Da'Rick Rogers WR Tennessee Tech
9 Tavarres King WR Georgia
10 Aaron Dobson WR Marshall
11 Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State
12 Chris Harper WR Kansas State
13 *Josh Boyce WR TCU
14 *Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma
15 Chad Bumphis WR Mississippi State
16 Ace Sanders WR South Carolina
17 *Justin Hunter WR Tennessee
18 *Keenan Allen WR California
19 Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas
20 Marquise Goodwin WR Texas
21 Ryan Swope WR Texas A&M
22 Denard Robinson WR Michigan
WR - deep:
1 Terrance Williams WR Baylor
2 Tavon Austin WR West Virginia
3 *Robert Woods WR Southern California
4 *Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee
5 Marquise Goodwin WR Texas
6 Markus Wheaton WR Oregon State
7 *DeAndre Hopkins WR Clemson
8 Quinton Patton WR Louisiana Tech
9 Tavarres King WR Georgia
10 Aaron Dobson WR Marshall
11 Cobi Hamilton WR Arkansas
12 Xavier Boyce WR Norfolk State
LT:
1 *Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
2 Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
3 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
4 *Chris Faulk OT LSU
5 *Menelik Watson OT Florida State
6 Xavier Nixon OT Florida
7 Terron Armstead OT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
8 Kyle Long OT Oregon
9 Jordan Mills OT Louisiana Tech
10 *D.J. Fluker OT Alabama
11 Oday Aboushi OT Virginia
12 *David Bakhtiari OT Colorado
13 Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee
14 *Justin Pugh OT Syracuse
15 Brian Winters OG Kent State
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1 *Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
2 *D.J. Fluker OT Alabama
3 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
4 *Chris Faulk OT LSU
5 *Menelik Watson OT Florida State
6 Xavier Nixon OT Florida
7 Brennan Williams OT North Carolina
8 Jordan Mills OT Louisiana Tech
9 Kyle Long OT Oregon
10 Terron Armstead OT Arkansas-Pine Bluff
11 Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma
11 Barrett Jones C Alabama
12 Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee
13 David Quessenberry OT San Jose State
14 Brian Winters OG Kent State
15 *Travis Frederick C Wisconsin
OG:
1 Chance Warmack OG Alabama
2 Jonathan Cooper OG North Carolina
3 *D.J. Fluker OT Alabama
4 *Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M
5 Barrett Jones C Alabama
6 Larry Warford OG Kentucky
7 Kyle Long OT Oregon
8 Hugh Thornton OG Illinois
9 *Travis Frederick C Wisconsin
10 Dallas Thomas OT Tennessee
11 *Alvin Bailey OG Arkansas
12 Brian Winters OG Kent State
13 *Chris Faulk OT LSU
14 Josh Dworaczyk OG LSU
15 Rick Wagner OT Wisconsin
16 Eric Fisher OT Central Michigan
16 Xavier Nixon OT Florida
17 Oday Aboushi OT Virginia
17 David Quessenberry OT San Jose State
18 Jordan Mills OT Louisiana Tech
OC:
1 Barrett Jones C Alabama
2 *Travis Frederick C Wisconsin
3 Brian Schwenke C California
4 Joe Madsen C West Virginia
5 Khaled Holmes C Southern California
6 Braxston Cave C Notre Dame
7 Sam Schwartzstein C Stanford
8 Matt Stankiewitch C Penn State
FB:
1 Braden Wilson FB Kansas State
2 Kyle Juszczyk FB Harvard
3 Lonnie Pryor FB Florida State
4 Zach Line FB Southern Methodist
5 *Le'Veon Bell RB Michigan State
6 Christine Michael RB Texas A&M
7 Rex Burkhead RB Nebraska
8 *Eddie Lacy RB Alabama
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I'd rather re-up as many guys as we could that are a year or two away from FA and see what we have left - then go hard for Brent Grimes and Dashon Goldson. Then draft either Jarvis Jones or Dion Jordan for OLB (I think the way that Jordan was used at Oregon would make the transition to 3-4 OLB pretty easy for him - he's used to rushing and he's used to covering).
DE Taylor
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OLB Sheard
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OLB Jordan/Jones (Draft)
CB Haden
FS Goldson (FA)
SS Ward
CB Grimes (FA)
This defense excites me. It'd be arguably the best defensive backfield in the NFL with a solid DL. LB is a bit of a question mark, but has massive potential.
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We have to give up the idea that a bunch of pretty good players will turn this into a Super Bowl team. We need exceptional players ..... we need to hit some home runs at the top of the draft instead of trading down to pick up more "good to pretty good" players.
At #6 overall there is no way we should even consider a boom-or-bust guy. He has GOT to be a player who is as certain to be a stud as one can find.
If that is the case, Chance Warmack is the guy we need to select. He is about as sure a thing 10 time pro-bowler as a team can select.
It might not be sexy, but our QB and Richardson will approve.
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Nice lists Steve, here are some questions/opinions: on 3-4 OLBs - you down on Mingo? I like Okafor quite a bit myself but that was when we still were a 4-3 team. I'm not sure he projects better at OLB than Mingo - you have Ansah pretty down on your list. Is he strictly a prject to you? I'm torn on this guy myself. So much athleticism, but so little production is worrisome - I know Bass and like him as a 3rd day sleeper, but don't know anything about your other 2 small schoolers you have higher on your list: Webster and Thurmond. Maybe I missed it, did they play and excel in some postseason Bowl? Infos on them wouldbe appreciated - pretty much agree with that 3-4 list, maybe I would rank Ansah ahead of both Thomas and Collins, as those 2 have issues of their own and thus will take some time to develop too and Ansah has a much higher ceiling - I didn't see DE Eric Martin from Nebraska anywhere. You know him? Dude was a JuCo transfer and had a pretty good SR season 3-4 ILB: - I really don't like this class for 3-4 ILBs. We should look to add a veteran FA like Dobbins and let it play out with a combo of Dqwell, JMJ, Gocong + FA - don't like the value of N.Johnson. We have to take him in round 3 or 4 and I'm pretty sure there will be better prospects available at other positions. To me he looks like strictly a 2 down run defender and in today's league, those guys don't have much value left imho - many like Reddick, but he's very close to be completely OFF my board. Underachiever, didn't improve, questionable effort and now showing off in postseason practices? Not sure he's the kind of player I want to add to this locker room. Otoh, he's a strong blitzer from the ILB position which Dqwell and JMJ aren't and would somehwat fit Horton's style, so I guess we have him ranked as high as anyone factoring in need and scheme. Maybe with "good guys" like Dqwell and Rubin around him he ups his effort and motor? Don't know, but anything higher than a 5th would represent bad value to me - I'd rank Bostic ahead of Reddick, but would also not like us to draft him, especially where he is slotted right now (3rd/4th). He's somewhat the anti-Reddick in that I like his effort/motor but just don't see him as a great fit - I really don't like the mid round value for this position and think the wisest move would be to let the board come to us and draft either some falling guy with boom ceiling but lower floor early in round 5 or get after one of the overachievers in the 6th/7th (especially like Taylor, but be ok with Klein and Blair) - from all I've read Chase Thomas sounds like a perfect fit to move inside and pay SILB next to Dqwell. Would not gamble our 3rd on it, but if he should fall to our 4th because of his poor offseason workouts at OLB, I'd probably take a shot - who is this New Mexico Highlands guy? lol CBs - thought you were also high on Wreh-Wilson? Even behind Commings who had reportedly bad offseason showings? I have my concerns too now about W-W though. All speed related. His 40 and splits will be huge for him. His tape and play don't lie though. Dude's good and is a good mix of press and cover CB and those are rare, especially at his size Gotta run, more on your Offense rankings tomorrow 
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Gocong and Sheard are okay w/ me @ OLB.. Get your 5-star CB (Milliner) and watch the defense work.
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I am very high on Mingo. I would not be the least bit shocked if he wasnt the best pass rusher in this draft in a year or two. He is just so raw that his bust potential is high up there as well.
Corner, I would not draft one in the first just cause the depth is amazing. Just have to decide on what type of corner you want.
We just need a couple QBs jumping into the top 5 and that will drop Moore down to us.
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- you down on Mingo? I like Okafor quite a bit myself but that was when we still were a 4-3 team. I'm not sure he projects better at OLB than Mingo
- you have Ansah pretty down on your list. Is he strictly a prject to you? I'm torn on this guy myself. So much athleticism, but so little production is worrisome
- I know Bass and like him as a 3rd day sleeper, but don't know anything about your other 2 small schoolers you have higher on your list: Webster and Thurmond. Maybe I missed it, did they play and excel in some postseason Bowl? Infos on them wouldbe appreciated
- pretty much agree with that 3-4 list, maybe I would rank Ansah ahead of both Thomas and Collins, as those 2 have issues of their own and thus will take some time to develop too and Ansah has a much higher ceiling
- I didn't see DE Eric Martin from Nebraska anywhere. You know him? Dude was a JuCo transfer and had a pretty good SR season
I think it's more that I really like Okafor. One thing about Mingo, though, is that he's 240. Almost all the good OLBs in 3-4 are 255-258. It's kind of freaky. Even Aldon Smith, who looks like a stick is that big. At 240, Mingo isn't even big for a 4-3 LB. He's talented, and still high on my list, but I do have reservations about that projection.
Ansah is kind of the opposite. He's huge. I think his best spot will be as a 4-3 DE. Plus, those guys that have barely played football I've seen translate well as a pass rusher much more often than someone who does more than that.
Webster is really quick off the ball and with a huge frame. Yeah, NFLPA game and one televised practice on ESPN. He could stand to fill out a little more, but as a late round guy he's worth a shot. I'd rather take him in the sixth or seventh than Ansah (or maybe even Mingo) in the first.
Webster (played in the Shrine game) is kind of the opposite. Definitely a smaller guy but he was in on every play. I rreally liked him and probably shuold have had him above Webster. I just don't think he has the same athleticism, but he's a good effort player who's able to make plays.
No, I don't know anything about Martin. Some guys aren't on my lists because I don't like them, but most are because I don't know enough about them to put them somewhere in my list with a good reason. I'll keep an eye open, thanks.
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- I really don't like this class for 3-4 ILBs. We should look to add a veteran FA like Dobbins and let it play out with a combo of Dqwell, JMJ, Gocong + FA
- don't like the value of N.Johnson. We have to take him in round 3 or 4 and I'm pretty sure there will be better prospects available at other positions. To me he looks like strictly a 2 down run defender and in today's league, those guys don't have much value left imho
- many like Reddick, but he's very close to be completely OFF my board. Underachiever, didn't improve, questionable effort and now showing off in postseason practices? Not sure he's the kind of player I want to add to this locker room. Otoh, he's a strong blitzer from the ILB position which Dqwell and JMJ aren't and would somehwat fit Horton's style, so I guess we have him ranked as high as anyone factoring in need and scheme. Maybe with "good guys" like Dqwell and Rubin around him he ups his effort and motor? Don't know, but anything higher than a 5th would represent bad value to me
- I'd rank Bostic ahead of Reddick, but would also not like us to draft him, especially where he is slotted right now (3rd/4th). He's somewhat the anti-Reddick in that I like his effort/motor but just don't see him as a great fit
- I really don't like the mid round value for this position and think the wisest move would be to let the board come to us and draft either some falling guy with boom ceiling but lower floor early in round 5 or get after one of the overachievers in the 6th/7th (especially like Taylor, but be ok with Klein and Blair)
- from all I've read Chase Thomas sounds like a perfect fit to move inside and pay SILB next to Dqwell. Would not gamble our 3rd on it, but if he should fall to our 4th because of his poor offseason workouts at OLB, I'd probably take a shot
- who is this New Mexico Highlands guy? lol
Well, there are no ILBs I'd take before the 4th, but I'd be OK with Reddick, Johnson, or Bostic there. Maybe even Thomas, that's a pretty tough projcetion for me, but I could see it working. I get what you're saying about Johnson being a 2-down guy, but I don't think we have that block-crushing/run-stuffing guy on our team right now, and if the O goes 3-wide we're probably not going to have 4 LBs out there anyways.
Jordan Campbell was all over the place in the NFLPA game. He was outstanding. Showed really good instincts and speed, tackled well, but he's about the same size as Zach Thomas and London Fletcher (5'10", 244#).
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- thought you were also high on Wreh-Wilson? Even behind Commings who had reportedly bad offseason showings? I have my concerns too now about W-W though. All speed related. His 40 and splits will be huge for him. His tape and play don't lie though. Dude's good and is a good mix of press and cover CB and those are rare, especially at his size
Yeah, you and d4l had sold me on BWW, and I wanted to like him because of his size, but he looked really bad at the senior bowl. Maybe he's used to playing more zone, but he was getting abused in the 1-on-1 drills. What I wanted from him was to be able to man up against big receivers since we don't really have that guy and he didn't show that he was able to do that. Since I didn't see him play in games, I only have the senior bowl to go off of so far and he didn't look good.
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On to your Offense rankings: QBs: - Nassib is too far down imho and Scott too high - my top 8 would look like this: Geno, Wilson, Bray, Nassib, Manuel, Barkley, Jones, Glennon....Manuel got a bump from me, I'm not sure why, but I think he will have a fine NFL career RBs: - agree with your top 6, but would have Taylor, Jamison and Bell over Gillislee, Christine Michael and Barner, so pretty much I would switch your 7-9 with your 10-12...and I would def have Graham over Rouse, probably also in front of (or somewhere in between) your 7-9 guys, so somewhere between 10-13. Not a huge fan of Ch.Michael...he was worse than C.Gray at A&M, and was an underperformer in College. Gray fell to the 5th or 6th last draft - from your list I like Burkhead and D.Johnson as sleepers and also have Winn, S.Jefferson, DJ Harper and Z.Stacy as pretty good 7th round/UDFA value. As much as it would be tempting to draft one of the RBs, with TRich on the roster it would take a HUGE value for me to take any RB in the top 100, something like Lacy or Bernard sitting there at 68....and in the 4th I would only draft one of Ball, Ellington or Randle falling to our spot or take a flyer on Lattimore if he's still there. The value at this position though will be in rounds 5 to 7. In round 5 if one of Jamison, Taylor or Bell is there, in round 6 Burkhead, Graham, Jefferson....if those guys are gone, I really hope we get a comp 7th to take a flyer on Winn, Stacy or Harper WRs: - reading your lists here, the only guys consistently in the top 5 at any WR position are T.Williams and Patton and I like both too, though I think you overrate Williams a bit. He's very raw, even more than Gordon imho and it could take him a while like D.Thomas in Denver, but I see the same ceiling. Patton I'm absolutely SOLD on...I see a Isaac Bruce/Reggie Wayne-like career for him and would take him ANYWHERE in the draft and not whine one second about value ...ok, maybe a bit since we need that pass rusher in the 1st, but if we trade down and aren't sold on the boom/bust guys I'd much rather take Patton than any other guy mid/late 1st round - there are many WRs with HUGE bust potential and I hope we stay away completely from the likes of Dobson, Rogers or Goodwin. I don't see much value in the top 3 rounds for us at WR unless we trade back and/or get another 2nd/3rd. If Sted Bailey is there at the top of the 4th I would happily pick him, but I see lots of WR prospects I wouldn't even waste a 4th/5th on projected in that range (Goodwin, King, D.Robinson) - again, as with RB I see the best value in the 5th to 7th range with guys like Vernon, Swope and Josh Boyce but to my eye these WR prospects don't look as enticing as the RBs. RB groupd is MUCH deeper imho. Normally at this time of the draft process I like much more sleeper WRs, but not so much in this class....there are several boom/bust size/speed guys like Carlton Mitchell, but even in the 6th I considered him a wasted pick and he was...M.Wilson, the VA Tech guys, R.Smith from FSU. They will all get picked and be stashed on the depth chart hoping for "development" just like we did with Carlton. I'd much rather fill the 4th/5th WR spot with a solid dude like TJ Moe or Emory Blake...they will be there in the 7th or even UDFA OL: - why are you so down on Dallas Thomas? To me he looks like one of the safest picks and has some versatility too - since we do not need muchmore than depth on the OL, like RB and WR I would let the value drop to me in the 4th to 7th round range. Sure, picking a guy like Warford or Long at 68 is ok, but imho not good value. Guys like Pugh, Winters and Bailey represent good value in round 4 and depending on who is left I'd probably be happy with it, but I think there's a good chance one of them or Quessenberry, Armstead, Nixon, Wagner or Mills will still be available in round 5 and that looks like HUGE value right there with ANY of them - the 6th/7th round value is decent too imho, especially for our needs (swing OT, G depth)...guys I didn't see on your list I'm high on include Hansen, Uzzi and Brenner at OG...Foketi, Oscar Johnson, Wetzel, Fragel and Summers-Gavin at OT or T/G Where's your TE list?
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Agree with a lot of what you said.
I think EJ Manuel is not very good. Maybe mediocre is the correct term. The guy had insane talent around him in a weak conference. FSU for some reason always stumbled.
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Oh, I don't think he will ever reach elite level...after all he hasn't gotten even close to that in College, but there's something there that makes it tempting pickng him. I said somewhere else that he's like that shiny new toy I never really wanted, but when I see "-50%" when looking at his price I get tempted, lol I think he represents value because he failed to meet his expectation/talent level and now has dropped a bit too far on boards To me he's very similar to Jason Campbell and I can see a similar "meh" career. Maybe it's still a wasted pick to burn a 3rd or 4th on that type of career, but you gotta admit that it is tempting to go there and find out
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i don't have a TE list because I haven't paid enough attention to anyone but ertz, eifert, and stoneburner.
I agree that we shouldn't take a rb before the 4th. Same with WR unless we get a passrusher in the first, all the good corners are gone in the third, and someone really good falls at the position.
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I agree that we shouldn't take a rb before the 4th. Same with WR unless we get a passrusher in the first, all the good corners are gone in the third, and someone really good falls at the position.
Wouldn't mind finding a way to move up into the second somehow.. May come from a trade of one of our Dlinemen that may not fit the new way of doing things?
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I am very high on Mingo. I would not be the least bit shocked if he wasnt the best pass rusher in this draft in a year or two. He is just so raw that his bust potential is high up there as well.
I just watched every snap of Mingo in 6 games vs good opponents (3x 2011, 3x2012)
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- Mingo looks like a DB playing DE, next to no strength in his play
- he has one tool: quickness
- he is a "mistake" pass rusher. His sacks or TFLs all came unblocked or the QB/RB running into him
- otoh, he is almost always one of the last DL getting off the snap, relying too much on his speed. He does have a high motor, but he's basically running around throwing his body around....I'm not seeing an intelligent football player
- he is a very poor tackler. In the backfield he overpursuits a lot. I already see Roethli evading him 5 times a game if we draft him....and when run at him, he struggles mightily getting off blocks. It's not that he's contact shy, far from it...but he's simply not a football player
- in 2012 he lined up almost exclusively outside the OT. In 2011 he played more of a traditional 4-3 DE and was ineffective in the box...every 3-4 team should have him a round higher than 4-3 teams, but I'm NOT seeing a prospect being even close to be worth a Top 10 pick
- whoever #56 is, dude's a beast at DT. Insane get off for a DT...just looked it up: Anthony Johnson...wow, he was a Freshman in 2011, impressive
Mingo has the athelticism and the motor to succeed, but saying he's RAW is being very nice. Dude has to learn how to play football from the ground up. Tackling, snap get off, leverage...pretty much everything a DL or Front 7 guy should have at least be somewhat better after 3 years at LSU. What concerns me the most is that he has not improved much from 2011 to 2012, still relying on his athelticism only. I gotta admit that this extensive tape review turned me off quite a bit. He has the tools, no doubt, but his floor is a Benard-like pass rush specialist only and he ahs a looong ways to go until he can play 3 downs at OLB. Dude will be a liability against the run and for a pass rush-only guy he even lacks moves...that stuff won't fly in the NFL, where OTs are athletic too. He got owned all game by Joeckel/Matthews vs A&M and that are the kind of guys he'll meet in the NFL
I have to watch more tape on the other pass rushers, but Mingo was pretty disappointing. He's a boom/bust PROJECT and FAR from NFL day 1 ready...and even further from being a 3 down player
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Just did the same on Damontre Moore...and wow, he's on another level than Mingo.
He looks slower and probably is, but that's also because he doesn't run around at full speed on every play. He uses his head, he's a football player. I saw him get a sack fighting through double teams on a zone coverage where he recognized a clear path to the QB and with athleticism. He looked even more impressive in 2011 as a 3-4 OLB than with his hands down.
He's so much more refined, better and day 1 ready that I would even burn the 3rd to uptrade to 4 and go get him....he's THAT good
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I would agree with your assessments on Mingo and Moore (thought I only watched a few games). I think almost everyone in the nation (except Mingo and his parents) believe that Moore is the better prospect and will be the better NFL player. Problem is, we draft at #6 and Moore likely goes prior to that. If available we grab Moore in a heart beat.
If Moore is gone then the question is where do we go. If not a trade down then who? Personally I favor one of the Cb's.
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What about Ezekiel Ansah? Any discussion of him yet?
I'm convinced on Moore. Want him on team NOW...
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He's so much more refined, better and day 1 ready that I would even burn the 3rd to uptrade to 4 and go get him....he's THAT good
Depending on how active and successful we are in free agency I'm totally for (finally) going UP and getting the guy we want.
If we can go out and grab a FS (Rhodes, Phillips) an OLB (Barwin, Spencer) and maybe a vet WR. I say sell high on a guy we want.
I say we sign an OLB AND draft one. That way we can have a nice OLB rotation of Sheard, Gocong, FA, Draft Pick. So that Sheard and the Rookie can be brought along.
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I really think when the picks come in Moore goes in the top 2. Best chance of him not I think is lotuleili going 1 and smith going 2. Don't think Oakland would pass on him though.
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Not seeing much written about free agency other than who'll be available. Of course now the Superbowl's over.... Very curious as to how active, aggressive, & most of all, SMART, we'll be.
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What about Ezekiel Ansah? Any discussion of him yet?
I'm convinced on Moore. Want him on team NOW...
Just finished watching him and I still can't lift my jaw
This dude will be a Top 10 pick when all is said and done and I would NOT be surprised if he goes top5. Was unimpressed with his stats and expected all hype, but unlike the other rushers he was lined up inside the OT or even at DT most of the time...when he was actually standing up he made some jaw dropping plays.
This kid is not the next Mike Mamula...he plays the game the right way, VERY disciplined and incredibly HIGH motor. Like Moore both 4-3 and 3-4 teams will be interested. In Horton's scheme he can line up from DE to OLB, this dude is crazy versatile and the definition of HYBRID and because he's so well coached and disciplined you can move him ANYWHERE along your front 7
I'm sold on this guy....I've watched most of the rushers now extensively (except Werner and Montgomery) and I'm SOLD on Moore and Ansah and my clear cut no3 is Okafor, I'm just not sure he's athletic enough to be a 3-4 OLB, but he's a complete, 3 down player. J.Jones I watched vs Bama and he was HORRIBLE...they ran all day at him and he looked pathetic and the work ethic concerns can be seen in that game too, as he often didn't play through the whistle, allowing big cut back runs in his area. Also, like Mingo, a poor tackler...add to that his medical condition and he's behind Mingo. I'm not sure he wants to get better and I wouldn't want to be the idiot throwing millions at him to find out
At 6 now I would be ok with Moore and Ansah...I think Ansah even moved ahead of Milliner for me, simply because of position value. He IS an athletic freak, so there's some hope Lombardi lucks into him
I also watched D.Jordan and was unimpressed, but he wasn't bad.
I want one of Moore, Ansah or Okafor. If Lombardi gets athletic freak happy again with Mingo or Jones I hope it's at least after a tradedown and hopefully with Moore and Ansah off the board
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What about Ezekiel Ansah? Any discussion of him yet?
I'm convinced on Moore. Want him on team NOW...
Scouting reports say Ansah is a big athletic guy. He had decent production but is raw.
He is big. Listed at 6'6" 270#. And quite the athlete. Was on the track team at BYU (I looked before to see what events but I cannot find that info).
His production was okay (13 tfl and 4.5 sacks, one int) but I would have liked better given the competition BYU plays and the fact that he had a total stud playing opposite him - Kyle Van Noy (22 TFL and 13 sacks, 2 interceptions with one for a TD).
He also has difficulty disengaging from blockers. Not sure if he can play OLB but he often gets compared to Jason Pierre-Paul. Raw with tremendous potential. IMO - he is not ready as of yet.
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