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ah crap, something must have happened when I uploaded the list to the server! You see two #5s listed... Randle is the real one and Bell is 8. I have to set up some primary keys on that table. Also had a 3-4 / 4-3 inside linebacker mishap that I caught yesterday.

*edit* ah I see... I had him rated as 5th FB prospect, but didn't change the position from RB. I'll correct that after I get back from work. Thanks for the heads-up.

Dion Jordan, I have him rated highly as a 4-3 linebacker. He just doesn't have the bulk to me. Mingo will probably move up after this weekend if he shows he's maintained his athleticism after putting on weight. To me, if you're 240 pounds you better have a lot of production for me to want to rank you highly as a 3-4 OLB. That's what I was alluding to in my comment at the top of the page for 3-4 OLBs.

It's not that I have Swearinger rated low, I just have some more prospects that aren't usually included at the position. While that's where I would have Poyer and Rhodes as FS, they'll probably be drafted to play CB. Swearinger is still listed around the third round. That's another thing I want to add but didn't have time yesterday, is approximate round by position.

Thanks for the feedback!

Johnny Adams I only saw play against Iowa and he didn't do himself any favors in that game. Micah Hyde looked terrific in that one, though.

Give Johnny another chance, he's a little man that can hit

http://www.youtube.com/v/by8k8PNr_Bo

Nice list

I like that you put Keenan Allen way down the list for WR's (overhyped)

Mauti 20th best ILB??? The kid can flat out play. Not sure how his stats will look at the combine, but I would think he would be taken by the end of the 3rd. Seen him play quite a few times this year.... I honestly liked him better than Teo.

Keenan Allen is going to impress a lot of people when he has a real QB throwing him the ball. Zach Maynard was one of the worst QBs I have seen in awhile.

The QB was his brother.

Ouch. His brother might have cost him a lot of money.

My initial mock up to the Browns pick:

1 - KC - They resign Albert and release Tyson Jackson for cap space/lack of production. Their pick ... Sharif Floyd DT Florida

2 - Jacksonille - Lots of needs for the Jags this pick could go in many directions. I think that they take the most sure pick ... thus Dee Milliner Cb Alabama

3 - Oakland - Some rumors are floating about the Raiders interest in Geno Smith. I am not buying them. The pick ... Luke Joeckel

4 - Philadelphia - With Chip Kelly as HC they will be tempted to rake Jordan but Oline is a huge need. The Eagles select ... Eric Fisher OT CMU

5 - Detroit Lions - If available they take Milliner. But he is off the board so instead the Lions take Ezekiel Ansah DE BYU

6 - Cleveland Browns - Whenever I do a mock draft, I always struggle with who the Browns will take. I like the idea of trading down. With the top 2 OT off the board I can see the Chargers trading up to get Lane Johnson OT Oklahoma as the Cardinals and Titans will both have oline high on their draft needs list. Someone might try to trade up to get ahead of Arizona and Buffalo to take Geno Smith but not sure who that would be. Possibly the Jets but I doubt that. I can see Buffalo wanting to jump Arizona to secure Smith.

The guy I like is Xavier Rhodes CB FSU. He has the size and strength to play press coverage on wr's like AJ Green. We need a Cb opposite Haden. And someone who can play press coverage given the aggressive style defense that we are supposedly incorporating. I think we can get him with a trade down, especially if we stay ahead of TB who is the next team with a desperate need for a CB

I know we need and OLB as well. I am not high on Jordan. I just don't see the on field production. I like Demontrae Moore's production but his combine numbers were depressing. I will need to re-eveluate his production. What teams did he produce against? Was it all scheme? I find that hard to believe playing in the SEC. Jarvis Jones? I don't know what to make of his spinal stenosis but I like that Norvwill have input. He has experience dealing with McNeil and his stenosis in SD so he should be able to offer some good insight. Did McNeill need to miss practices? Are there other considerations?

I think I still go with Rhodes and look for Jamie Collins with our next pick.

Who whould you guys select for the Browns in this scenario?

Now I am beginning to think Geno Smith is in the mix for us. We are going to have to watch closely how much love we show the guy.

I don't think it is out of the question we draft the guy. We might need to spend more time checking his tape in a impartial way. What I am saying is if you go in to it not wanting to draft him/ or a QB, you will come out pretty much the same way.

Geno Smith 42 td and 6 int in 2012 in 13 games

In the Marshall, James Madison and Baylor games he threw for 17 td and no int. I would remove those because even my Dad would have thrown for 10 td and 2 int vs those defenses and he is 78.

So that is 25/6

They also played:
Okie St who gave up an average of 28 pts/game and that includes a shutout vs Savannah St
Texas tech who gave up an average of 32 pts/game including the game vs Northwestern St
Kansas who gave up an average of 36 pts/game including a game vs S Dakota St

If we take out the Kansas and Tech stats then that is 21/5
17/6 over the last 6 games which include the victory over the 1-11 Kansas team. I like to look at the later half of the season because that is when teams have film and also when the pressure starts to mount.

I am too tired to calculate out the rest of their schedule but it is clear that he didn't play the toughest schedule. Still you can only play the teams on your schedule. He put up good stats but from what I saw he missed a lot of open receivers and should have had even more impressive stats. Personally I would pass on him but if Chud/Norv like him than I would run with it. I have no allegiance to keeping Weeden as our starting Qb but I don't see a Qb that I really like in this draft. I would much rather stick with Weeden or some FA Qb then go hard to get a Qb in next years draft. I really like Bridgewater Louisville and while I haven't see David Fales San Jose St play I hear good things about him. Johnny Manziel will be in next years draft too but I am not sold on him. He is a dynamic runner but I am not sold on his passing.

RG3 played against the same teams and put on also ridiculous numbers...

Doesn't mean he can't do it on the next level...

I didn't say that. I am just pointing it out so that we don't go gaga over his stats but instead actually look at the throws he made/missed.

I'm starting to like the idea of getting Geno Smith. When it was a given KC would take him, I didn't think about it. Now that it looks like he could fall to us, I'm thinking why not get the best QB in the draft? Pass rushers? Linebackers? Cornerbacks? That's what free agency's for. If this kid, and he has an arm, is smart and fast and studies film like Matty Ice, is available, how do we pass him up?

and he didn't even mention McCarron or Boyd.

next year's draft could be a very good year to draft a QB.

Tajh Boyd is my guy for next year

Taj Boyd, Manziel, Bridgewater, and Braxton Miller could all be available.

what about Murray?

You Fale.

Now that was clever

I was thinking about making this post a new topic, but decided against it.

The general consensus is that this draft is weak in top end talent but strong in overall depth, so I was wondering which teams everyone thinks could be realistic trade partners in a trade down scenario with the Browns.

I think these teams are a possibility:

7.Arizona
8. Buffalo
9. NYJ

The three teams right behind us, and all three possibly looking to land a QB ahead of the others.

11. San Diego
20. Chicago

A couple of teams that desperately need help on the OL.

14. Carolina
16/22. St. Louis
24. Indy

These teams need DL help, and could be in the market for Lotulelei/Floyd.

31. San Francisco

They just have a boatload of ammunition to play with this year and not many holes to fill, a trade up at some point in the early rounds wouldn't surprise me.

You just never know about trades and who might seek to move up. Much depends on what teams do in free agency and much depends on how the draft unfolds before our pick.

If Joeckel falls to our slot as an example, we might have 3/4 of the league calling about a trade. That's an example that likely isn't going to happen, but it illustrates the point.

I am sure if we are open to trading down we'll make it known league wide. Around pick 4, if a team sees a guy they want who might still be there 20 minutes later, the talking starts.

I was thinking about San Fransisco yesterday.There is alot of talk that they may want to trade draft picks to the Jets for Darelle Revis. If I'm the Jets I think I would rather use those picks and trade up to get Milliner.Maybe he won't end up being as good as Revis was but he doesn't have to be and he also doesn't have to be the highest paid defensive player in history. With Revis coming off the ACL injury risk is about the same.

I want to trade down 3-5 spots so I have already given this some thought.

We are in perfect position as a trade partner for someone looking to move up for a Qb because everyone knows that both Arizona and Buffalo who pick right behind us have Qb as their biggest need. Unfortunately, there is no one right behind them to move up. The Jets are a possibility but with the Sanchez contract I cannot see how they do that. The only chance of a trade up for Qb is if Buffalo wants to jump Arizona.

The only other position that I can see someone moving up for is LT. There are 3 top LT in this draft - Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson. I can easily see 2 being gone before our pick. That would pt us in great position because the Cardinals have a desperate need for oline help.

I would agree that the Bears really really need to improve their line and that a LT would do wonders. But that has been the case for years and they just haven't figured that out (Same thing with the Lions btw) so while more than reasonable I cannot envision that happening.

I can definitely see the Chargers trading up for that last LT. Seems like every year some team loses a coach then makes a trade with his new team. So the Chargers/Norv connection puts this high on my list of possibilities.

The one team that you left out is Miami. It looks like they are not going to resign Jake Long. This creates a huge need for a LT. I just don't get the feeling that that organization will be willing to spend the picks needed to move up.

Tennessee needs oline help as well but I think that they look at OG rather than LT. I am predicting Tennessee as the landing point for Womack.

I do see anyone moving up for Dline or OLB. Possibly for Cb if Milliner is available but I do not think that he will be available. And if he is I think that we take him. Milliner would be the guy SF would target but moving up from 31 to 6 will take a lot.

No WR, Rb or TE is worth it for a team to feel compelled to move up.

San Fran has a late first and two picks in both the second and third rounds. Might it make sense to trade them our one for their one, the KC two and one of their threes? I know there's a point system to figure this out. If that proposal is crazy, what do you folks think might make sense?

There has to be someone that San Francisco is crazy about at 6 for them to make that trade. (and even then, that trade might not balance for us) They have a boatload of picks, almost too many, which would seem to me to indicate a trade somewhere.

We traded up last year, and I think that a big consideration was that we had almost too many draft picks to really use. That could come into play, especially with a very good team like the Niners.

Looking at a previous years chart it looks like the number six could be worth the niners #31,the #34 they got from the Chiefs and two 3rds. Which I would do without a second thought.I would also do #31, #34, a 4th and a second next year.

FWIW, Ourlads draft value chart has the #6 pick at a value of 1600. The Niners' 1st (31), KC's 2nd (34), Niners' 2nd (63), and the Niners' 3rd (95) total out at 1556. Even it out with the Niners' 4th, worth 46 points. The draft chart isn't etched in stone - its really about how motivated they'd be to move up - who's the gotta-get player they might have targeted?

My initial thought with SF is that they need DB help big time. Possibly their only big weakness. If Milliner is available (which I completely doubt) he is the one guy that they might target.

If we were to trade with SF, I like the idea of getting extra picks in next years draft. I would want #31, #34 and their 1st next year. Not sure if SF would pay that much but their 1st next year would be expected to be between 28-32.

Anyone remember the details of the trade down with the Falcons? That would be about what I would expect in return plus an additional mid round pick since we are dropping further.

If we did the trade I think I would pick:

#31- Desmond Trufant,CB
#34- Zach Ertz,TE
#68- Jamie Collins,OLB
#101-Landry Jones,QB
#125-Kenny Stills,WR
#132-Mike Gillislee,RB
#165-Lamar Mady,OG

Found it:

We received Atlanta’s first-round selection (27th overall), their second- and fourth-round picks in 2011 and their first-round selection in 2012.

Based off that we would be looking at SF's 1st this year (#31 overall) their 1st next year, their 2nd this year not #34 which was KC's but #61 overall and probably an additional 3rd this year rather than a 4th to make up the difference of 27 to 31. Sf has two picks in round 3 #74 and #93. We would likely get the #93.

For clarity, we would get:

#31, 61, 93 this year and
Their 1st rounder next year

Interesting thing (to me) about the value chart. I have never come across any value attached to draft picks in next year's draft.

I don't how you would give value when you don't know the exact spot where those picks will be. But by throwing in picks for next years draft you add ambiguity to the values which I think tends to be a good thing.

I've heard and read that teams - generally speaking - devalue a future draft pick by 1 round. IE, next years Niners' #1 would be valued as a middling-to-late #2 - especially considering they will probably be picking late in the 1st.