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I don't think "not liking" Vick for his off-field issues puts it in strong enough terms. "Reviled" or "repulsed" might be more accurate, at least in my mind. If being a fan of a team were like being married, Vick would be a homewrecker. I simply couldn't root for him, I think he's a sociopath.
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I understand that smith is younger than Weeden,, but he just lost his job to a rookie.
For the record, Kaepernick is NOT a rookie. I've seen this multiple times (and even Michael Reghi said it), but it's not true. To add to it, Kaepernick was a 2nd round selection. Also, Smith was the starting QB and went down with an injury.
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Again, a rookie took Smiths job.. what's that say?
Again, Kaepernick is NOT a rookie.
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If we were setting the odds, it would be less than 50-50 that Weeden opens the season as the Browns' starting quarterback a year after the organization reached for him as a "panicked" first-round draft pick.
Less than 50-50 seems asinine to me considering he is assuredly the starter over McCoy in this system. Right now I'd wager it is a 95% chance Weeden is the starter. And a good bet we'll snag a rookie with a rocket arm in the mid-late rounds. Either that or we're trading mega picks for Smith (who doesn't really fit the system), picking up a Dog murderer for the Dog pound (please), or what? The idea that anyone but Weeden is likely to be the starter is ridiculous right now.
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As much as I hate to say it, I've got this nagging feeling that we draft a QB this year. I just pray pray pray its with the 3rd round pick and not the first.
That Glennon kid seems to fit the "Air Turner" system. He's likely a 2nd or 3rd round grade. I saw him in the Senior Bowl. Looked decent.
Sorry to tell you this, but Mike Glennon is going in the first round. You can probably get him at #6, but I doubt that he'll be there past the middle of the first round and he might not make it out of the top 10.
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If we can bring in Jake Delhomme, i don't see the problem with bringing in Vick other than the fact most people don't like him b/c of his off the field issues.
Two different regimes (including owner),, I doubt this group would have brought in Jake. I think bringing in Vick is a waste of time... But yeah, I do have a problem with his off field history. But I also recognize people make dumb mistakes and if they make amends,, I can live with it. He's apparently done a lot for ASPCA so, hey, people can change I guess.
I don't want him because I don't think he's an improvement.
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If we can bring in Jake Delhomme, i don't see the problem with bringing in Vick other than the fact most people don't like him b/c of his off the field issues.
Two different regimes (including owner),, I doubt this group would have brought in Jake. I think bringing in Vick is a waste of time... But yeah, I do have a problem with his off field history. But I also recognize people make dumb mistakes and if they make amends,, I can live with it. He's apparently done a lot for ASPCA so, hey, people can change I guess.
I don't want him because I don't think he's an improvement.
I don't want Vick either. I agree....the dude paid his price to society as set by a jury of his peers. He's made amends. Time to move on.
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If we were setting the odds, it would be less than 50-50 that Weeden opens the season as the Browns' starting quarterback a year after the organization reached for him as a "panicked" first-round draft pick.
Less than 50-50 seems asinine to me considering he is assuredly the starter over McCoy in this system. Right now I'd wager it is a 95% chance Weeden is the starter. And a good bet we'll snag a rookie with a rocket arm in the mid-late rounds. Either that or we're trading mega picks for Smith (who doesn't really fit the system), picking up a Dog murderer for the Dog pound (please), or what? The idea that anyone but Weeden is likely to be the starter is ridiculous right now.
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I don't think "not liking" Vick for his off-field issues puts it in strong enough terms. "Reviled" or "repulsed" might be more accurate, at least in my mind. If being a fan of a team were like being married, Vick would be a homewrecker. I simply couldn't root for him, I think he's a sociopath.
Ray Lewis is a sociopath. Mike Vick is dumb.
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The headlines and jokes would never end if Vick came to play for the Dawgs. Billion dollar businesses try to avoid bad press not roll around in it.
How does everyone feel about Johnny Manziel??? I know that's another year down the road but I have the sneaking suspicion we'll pick near the top of the draft again.
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Does Vick even bring bad press anymore? He's got sponsorship deals back, he's in commercials, and he's one of the most popular players in the league.
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The headlines and jokes would never end if Vick came to play for the Dawgs. Billion dollar businesses try to avoid bad press not roll around in it.
I don't agree with u there. Any jokes would end come regular season.
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Smith was the starting QB and went down with an injury.
And hasn't taken a snap since, despite being cleared to play three weeks later. That's called being benched.
Oh wait. He threw one pass against Arizona in week 17. My bad.
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Alex Smith would have been a good fit for Shurmer's scheme but he really isnt a great fit for Chud's. I like Smith but his arm isnt very strong and his weakness is the vertical game.
Vick, ummm really??? Vick isn't dumb enough to sign with a team whose symbolized by a bulldog and a fanbase dressed up as dogs eating milkbones lol I mean come on really??
Hell, I think there is a better chance of us trading for Blaine Gabbert than going the Smith or Vick route. Realistically, we will draft a QB. Showing interest in QBs tells everyone if you want a QB better jump us and that could slide Moore right into our laps and then we end up getting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd.
Now with that said, Mike Lombardi is a huge believer in Matt Barkley. Remeber there were teams last year that thought Barkley was ever bit the QB of RG3 and Luck. Haslam also wants his golden boy QB.
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Either Vick or Smith would be stop gaps.. Neither is the long term answer for us.
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Why would Smith be a stop gap?
Smith is a year younger than Weeden and if that is the case... Weeden was a stop gap last year.
Vick is terrible and past his abilities to still play at a high level.
Alex Smith will be 29 this year.
Mike Vick will be 33 this year.
Vick is truly a stop-gap, as his wheels are starting to erode.
Smith would be a 4-5 year starter. That's anything but "stop-gap."
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I'm really starting to wonder about Haslam.Ist he runs off Heckert and hires Banner then together they hire Lombardi. Now they are talking about picking up Michael Vick.
If it came down to it I would take Smith in a minute over Vick.Vick's best years are far behind him while Smith still has some upside. Of course we should give Weeds are real shot. But thats not how we roll here in Cleveland. Bad game and all us expertsrealize he's not the guy.
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Vick will only cost us money. Smith will cost us picks and money. I see both as stop-gap QBs. If neither is going to be the long term answer I will take the guy that costs only money.
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Smith was the starting QB and went down with an injury.
And hasn't taken a snap since, despite being cleared to play three weeks later. That's called being benched.
Oh wait. He threw one pass against Arizona in week 17. My bad.
Alex Smith was playing very well until the injury. Luckily for San Fran, Kaepernick has been playing 'lights out'. It's a nice conundrum to be in for them.
Now, for the Browns we have Weeden, who was handed the job the second that his name was written on a card and before that card was even handed to the commissioner to be read. He proved to be NO BETTER than the previous QB and with better talent all the way around. A better RB (Richardson vs. Hillis), a better RT (Schwartz vs. a sieve or turnstile - take your pick) and a better WR (Josh Gordon vs. Mohamed Massaquoi).
Alex Smith would be an upgrade over Weeden. Period.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/2012.htm
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They should just put all their marbles in with Weeden. I don't get the point of saying we are bringing in another QB for competition (other than playing draft poker).
Give Weeds your nod and let him approach the season with confidence and as the starter.
Then next year throw whatever it takes at getting your QB in the draft..
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To me, Smith would be a stop gap till we can find someone better. I don't know if that's worth investing any draft picks in.
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Teams right behind the Browns need a QB and by the Browns saying they are looking to add a QB to compete for the starting role, it will make those teams very nervous and who knows they jump us and we end up with a player we really want.
Lombardi loved Barkley so there is a chance but I suspect it will be Jones, Bray or Manuel in the 2nd or 3rd.
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Weeden is the exact prototype you want for this offense.
Any arguments about picking up Vick or Smith is foolishness IMO.
Vick for obvious PR reasons. Smith for obvious cost and suitability reasons.
Give Weeden a shot this year. Snag a late round guy this year or an early round guy next year.
I honestly believe Chud has any say at all in the matter we will be playing Weeden. The dude has Anderson 2007 written all over him.
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This is quoted from the article, which keeps me wondering what are they really playing...What's the term " smoke and mirrors " ? Quote:
"They're going to look at free agency and we're going to look at the draft, and I think we'll be selective in what we do in free agency, but if there's some talent out there that matches our needs and it's at the right dollar level, then I think we'll probably make some moves.
"I don't think you'll see us making any big splashy, high-priced moves because I think we've said all along we're going to build through the draft.''
The right dollar level...Have you seen the names of the free agent QB's ? o hell , here's a list for those who haven't..
Brian Hoyer ARZ
.Luke McCown ATL
.Joe Flacco BAL
.Tarvaris Jackson BUF
.Tyler Thigpen BUF
.Derek Anderson CAR
.Jason Campbell CHI
.Josh McCown CHI
.Bruce Gradkowski CIN
.Josh Johnson CLE
.Rudy Carpenter DAL
.Richard Bartel FA
.John Beck FA
.David Garrard FA
.Stephen McGee FA
.Donovan McNabb FA
.Troy Smith FA
.Billy Volek FA
.Seneca Wallace FA
.Vince Young FA
.Drew Stanton IND
.Brady Quinn KC
.Matt Moore MIA
.Chase Daniel NO
.David Carr NYG
.Matt Leinart OAK
.Charlie Batch PIT
.Byron Leftwich PIT
.Kellen Clemens STL
.Rex Grossman WAS
The list doesn't include the QB's we could trade for ... But I look and see who they could possibly have in mind that the money would be right and no big splash. and would have the play that Chud and Norm are looking for....
Stanton has that big arm , but not the mind set.. And it really seems they want to stay in the younger age range.. which they mention draft...Norv and Chud both enjoy working with the younger players...
Weeden is young in seasons.. but not age... I do think Weeden can be one of the better QB's of 2013 only because of who this team has as HC & OC....
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I will be shocked if Weeden is the starter next year. I would probably give him another year, but we have everyone from the OC to the owner basically saying they don't want to be saddled with him. In part I understand as a new regime is probably not looking to tie it's horse to a 29 year old developmental QB. However, I just think this is a really weak QB class and would prefer to wait a year to draft one.
Having said that, I imagine we will draft one, and Mour might be on to something with Barkley he reeks of a Lombardi type of guy.
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we have everyone from the OC to the owner basically saying they don't want to be saddled with him.
Do you mean that as terms of them speaking of wanting a QB competition ?
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Yes pretty much. They have had basically a full year to evaluate Brandon and by saying they want a competition pretty much screams they didn't like what they saw. As Toad mentioned earlier in this conversation, new regimes either endorse a guy from the beginning or are looking for his replacement. Factor in Brandon being close to 30 and anything but an established commodity and it speaks volumes of where we are headed IMO.
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Good point..I remember another poster saying if Weeden was handed the job without a Competition. And he failed, then Chud should be fired... I felt that a little extreme.. I will admit I got a little comfortable with Weeden due to his size and having a long toss to him... And not wanting to see or hear of drafting another QB so early.... I do get impatient...When I look in the mirror and see all these dang gray hairs...I tell myself ... Franchise QB..Hmmm wellllll. Damn probably not.... who we going to see fail this season...Can we get it right and soon Please.... 
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They have had basically a full year to evaluate Brandon and by saying they want a competition pretty much screams they didn't like what they saw.
I think that is arrogant assumption... to me it says they saw a rookie that certainly has areas he needed to improve, so bringing in a viable vet/rookie can either push him over that hump or show that he just doesn't have the necessary ability to improve to the place where this franchise needs him to be...
I think that just saying he will be here and would have the opportunity to compete is about as good an endorsement a rookie QB is going to get based on his performance last season... there are always shades of gray.
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I think that is arrogant assumption...
Take the umption off and you sound like my wife..lol. He is 30 years old, was not drafted by these folks, and as I mentioned in my response to Diesel they had a season to evaluate and obviously weren't sold. So yeah I might be arrogant, but I will bet my house the only way he's the starter next year is if they can't obtain an upgrade or don't think a legitimate one exists in the draft ( which is my opinion...weak class).
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Take the umption off and you sound like my wife..
LOL !!!! my ex just calls me an ass ..plain and simple.... and no...your not arrogant..No body knows what this new fo is really going to do....
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Looking at the free agent list I would like to bring in Stanton as a back up. He would be cheaper than Colt and I think he could do better than throwing the ball directly into the dirt.
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the only way he's the starter next year is if they can't obtain an upgrade or don't think a legitimate one exists in the draft ( which is my opinion...weak class).
Can't you apply that statement to every player in the league?
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I think he could do better than throwing the ball directly into the dirt.
Well hiro..he was being a team player and helping the tired offensive line.. lol being totally sarcastic and not to your response...
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They should just put all their marbles in with Weeden. I don't get the point of saying we are bringing in another QB for competition (other than playing draft poker).
Give Weeds your nod and let him approach the season with confidence and as the starter.
Then next year throw whatever it takes at getting your QB in the draft..
So, you're saying that the Browns should throw away another season with Weeden as the QB? Great idea!
I have to take them at their word that Weeden is going to have to earn the job, not just have it handed to him. If he was already a legitimate starting QB, then I might say that you could hand him the job, but he isn't that.
Also, I don't think it's going to be Alex Smith. I think it'll be one of the free agents out there, unless SF does something silly and just releases Alex Smith. I don't see the Browns giving up picks to anyone, except maybe on draft day. It's already been made abundantly clear that the team will be building through the draft. I think that they'll be accumulating picks, not giving any up.
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I honestly believe Chud has any say at all in the matter we will be playing Weeden. The dude has Anderson 2007 written all over him.
Except that Anderson is smarter with the football - and he threw 4 picks in the game late in the season against Cincy.
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Good point..I remember another poster saying if Weeden was handed the job without a Competition. And he failed, then Chud should be fired... I felt that a little extreme..
That would have been me.
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Alex Smith would have been a good fit for Shurmer's scheme but he really isnt a great fit for Chud's. I like Smith but his arm isnt very strong and his weakness is the vertical game.
Vick, ummm really??? Vick isn't dumb enough to sign with a team whose symbolized by a bulldog and a fanbase dressed up as dogs eating milkbones lol I mean come on really??
Hell, I think there is a better chance of us trading for Blaine Gabbert than going the Smith or Vick route. Realistically, we will draft a QB. Showing interest in QBs tells everyone if you want a QB better jump us and that could slide Moore right into our laps and then we end up getting a QB in the 2nd or 3rd.
Now with that said, Mike Lombardi is a huge believer in Matt Barkley. Remeber there were teams last year that thought Barkley was ever bit the QB of RG3 and Luck. Haslam also wants his golden boy QB.
Actually, Smith did fairly well with Turner in SF. So since it's really Turners offense, why wouldn't it work again. I think it would.
the thing about it is, he's still just Alex Smith. And still just a stop gap and still would require giving something up to get him. I think I'd rather stay with Weeden as our stop gap.
But to demonstrate how much faith I have in Chud and Turner, (no doubt the best Offensive minds we've had here since we came back) if they decided to trade weeden and mccoy and go get Smith, I'd open my mind and watch and hope.
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Who "will" the Browns QB be?
It might depend upon who is in charge of personnel ?...who is in charge of judging our QB talent ?
Will Chud have the final say on who his QB will be ?
OR...will the front office (Banner and Lombardi) have final say?...Banner and Lombardi could decide to go on a fishing expedition to see if they can land some "retreaded free agent" ?
At this point, I'm not sure the fans or the media know who is in control of the Browns 53 man roster.
Anyone know?
Who decides who the Browns QB will be ? ...the front office, Banner and Lombardi ? ...OR the HC, Chud ?
For the record...I want nothing to do with Mike Vick or some other teams cast off "retreaded free agent".
Those who buy the crap that Weeden is junk and the Browns need to find another QB...you could not be anymore WRONG !
Compare the "rookie" stats of these two QBs...
.Rk.....Player.....Comp..Att.....Pct......Yds...Avg...Yds/G...TD...Int...Sck...Rate .. 19.....Weeden... 297...517....57.4...3,385..6.5....225.7...14 ...17.. 28...72.6 ...
.Rk.....Player.....Comp..Att....Pct......Yds.....Avg...Yds/G...TD...Int...Sck...Rate .. ..3....Manning....326...575.....56.7....3,739...6.5....233.7...26....28...22....71.2..
At this point the Browns have not seen enough of Weeden to have any idea if he is our QB of the future. Weeden needs more time and more support to have a fair chance to succeed.
If Haslam is true to his word about building the Browns via the draft, it would make no sense to bring in a free agent to be the starting QB.
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If Haslam is true to his word about building the Browns via the draft, it would make no sense to bring in a free agent to be the starting QB.
Signing a free agent QB - and/or a couple of other positions - would hardly indicate that we are giving up on the "promise" or "word" to build thru the draft.
If they can get a FA QB at the right price who is better than the guy(s) we have now, it would make no sense to NOT get him in here.
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So, you're saying that the Browns should throw away another season with Weeden as the QB? Great idea!
how are you throwing away a season by trying to develop the QB u drafted in last years draft? cmon man.
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