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I think that we definitely lead another starting CB to pair with Haden. I would put that at the top of the list, along with a serious pass rusher.
I agree. Now it's a matter of deciding on is Millner plus some 3rd round player the best option or is Moore etc plus a 3rd round corner the best option?
I think a big part of our decision will be made for us in that I doubt Millner falls past Detroit. They have needed corners forever. This might be the year their guy falls to them.
Either way, it is my sincere hope we are active in FA. I know we want to build through the draft but sometimes teams need to make smart free agent choices and fix a need or two. That not only makes you better but it also allows you to draft the best players and not allow needs to dictate who you draft.
My feeling is we don't necessarily need a shut down corner opposite Haden, we just need a quality corner. I don't see any of those on the roster at the moment. Decent guys, sure, but not a guy who you have a high confidence level he is going to hang a good deal of the time with a teams #2 receiver.
This year, I admit needs is going to dictate our draft process more than maybe we have in the past and more than I'd like, but it is what it is. We need backers/pass rushers. No way around it.
That is why I hope we do look for free agents and address one of the two big needs on D. Once we finally find out who indeed is free and hasn't been signed to some extension, we can decide which guys we want to target.
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I agree. Now it's a matter of deciding on is Millner plus some 3rd round player the best option or is Moore etc plus a 3rd round corner the best option?
Don't forget free agency, 'Peen. If we intend to sign a Kruger or a Spencer the need for an edge-rusher disappears.
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I agree. Now it's a matter of deciding on is Millner plus some 3rd round player the best option or is Moore etc plus a 3rd round corner the best option?
Don't forget free agency, 'Peen. If we intend to sign a Kruger or a Spencer the need for an edge-rusher disappears.
I haven't. I went in to that on another thread.
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My concern there is I expect Sheard to go strong side again, which is where Spencer and Kruger also both play. In that case, could one of those three project as a weak side OLB?
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My thinking (which will assuredly be incorrect) was that Sheard would be a candidate to move back to WOLB. If his forte is rushing and he's got to learn some coverages, then acquiring a vet to line-up over the TE would make more sense. Plus I also believe he started out at RDE as a rookie.
Still, I believe I've seen Kruger and Spencer moved around, though I couldn't begin to tell you how many snaps either guy took on either side.
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We drafted Sheard to be our RDE. He played strong side in college and couldn't adjust to the weak side. He couldn't get comfortable flipped so they moved him back.
It would be yet another mistake.
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I agree , and thanks for the clarification. If you want a drafted corner rather than FA, then it better be quick in the draft. I think a great corner forgives a lot of other secondary junk we are prone to. I would make this a top priority either route. 
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If Detroit doesn't take Milliner. Does Tampa Bay make us an offer to pick him up ?
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I think there will be plenty of opportunities to trade down within the top ten, as there was last year.
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I keep thinking Seattle is going to want to move for a pass rusher !
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6 of the first 7 picks were traded last year
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I think there will be plenty of opportunities to trade down within the top ten, as there was last year.
6 of the first 7 picks were traded last year
The only one not traded was #1, and I don't think you could of pried that from the Colts cold dead fingers..
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Browns | Dee Milliner to visit Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:02:10 -0700 The Cleveland Browns are scheduled to meet with University of Alabama CB Dee Milliner before the 2013 NFL Draft. Source: The Cleveland Plain Dealer - Mary Kay Cabot Read more: http://www.kffl.com/team/13/NFL#ixzz2Omr6QQq4
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To me, the worst case scenario is entering the draft without a real #2 at CB. That would make our pick very obvious. like last year at RB. Perhaps even more obvious b/c last year we had an add'l 1st rounder and that early 2nd rounder. This year, we have nothing until the 3rd round.
Philly is sitting at #4. I could see them getting add'l picks out of Banner for Milliner like MIN did with Richardson last year. And I don't like it.
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Alright ..here I go.
I would love to answer this right before the draft or during the draft..but anyway I like Milliner BUT, he is stiff in the hips which for me isn't that great.
Plus he's never been asked to backpeddle -turn-run with the receiver.
Thats got to be taught to him, so I expect him to get burned some his first year.
X.Rhodes,and J.Banks are two corners I would like to have if Banner gets a tradedown.
They may have less speed but they are more complete corners and are more flexible.
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i do think we need another good cb. last year we played against some good qb's. they didn't challenge hayden because its wasn't the smart thing to do with such a drop off at the other cb. brown wasn't horrible {he did make plays} but the other qb's thought it was the safer bet to go against brown rather than hayden.
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^ Saw this earlier today. I'm always skeptical about these things because you never know how many "takes" are involved....for example, Weeden's pigeon throws.
Either way, in the end, they gave him a high grade. Another person on that list of top 5 DBs to have participated in their testing was Haden...as you can see by simply watching the vid.
Interesting Vaccaro is also in the mix. Two "high" scorers in the same draft.
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I wonder how the other corners in this draft would compare to Milliner. I'm guessing most corners good enough to go in the first round would be able to match these totals.
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I'm always skeptical about these things because you never know how many "takes" are involved....for example, Weeden's pigeon throws.
I'm pretty sure Weeden confessed that they gave him 2 practice throws to get the timing down then it was taped as is after that.
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Many are hoping for a trade down this year to acquire extra picks. I'm starting to favor trading UP a couple spots to take Milliner. We have one starter at corner now. Unless they pull off a trade I don't see any worthy candidates left in FA. Even if we do trade down and pick up a corner later, how many SURE first day starting corners are to be had? Milliner IS a sure first day starter. He may make the usual rookie mistakes, but he can plug in and play right away. Otherwise, we better plan on getting lit up until we DO find another starter at corner. Then there's our hole at safety.....
My sig pimps Jordan only because Milliner won't be there at 6. So trade up or take the pass rusher and hope we get a LOT of sacks this year.....
If we're going to win some games this season we either DRASTICALLY improve this secondary, or we score 30+ points each and every game. Probably have to do that anyway, due to the switch to a 3-4 creating holes in our front 7.
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I think weve improved the front 7, and with a better pass rush the need for a top corner is less demanding. I think we'll be okay.
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You think Jordan will be there but Milliner won't be? I say there both gone. Jordan goes #2 to the Jaguars.
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I think weve improved the front 7, and with a better pass rush the need for a top corner is less demanding. I think we'll be okay.
I disagree. With the pass happy NFL you better have good corners. Pass rush is mitigated by quick plays, and QB's who can run and get outside the rush, so you better have corners who can stick to the hip at the line.
IMO, corner is now the premium position on D much like MLB was 30 years ago and DE's were 15 years ago.
If your corners can't cover the first 6 steps and you have a great pass rushing team, guess what? The ball is delivered in 4-5 steps. Offense holds the option of when to deliver the ball. If you can't take that away, you are wasting your money on the pass rushers
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I would think you could adjust your D to guard against the quick short throw.
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With the pass happy NFL you better have good corners.
Agreed. I believe the general consensus nowadays, is that three good corners are needed...
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j/c My opinion is there is a lot of depth at the corner position this year. The guy rated at the very top is not light-years better than the number 7,8 or ninth ranked prospect. The Browns have a real possibility of a trade down and acquiring extra picks. A second round selection and another late round pick is more valuable than just staying at 6 and taking Milliner. Hell, that's more valuable than taking Ansah at 6 and I want him more than Milliner. 
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Either way, in the end, they gave him a high grade.
I have only seen about a half dozen of these but have they ever given somebody a poor grade?
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I would think you could adjust your D to guard against the quick short throw.
You can if you have corners who can hang. If they wiggle open in 2-3-4 steps, you can't do squat.
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OK, I guess I'll have to adjust my thinking on CB.
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OK, I guess I'll have to adjust my thinking on CB.
I am not trying to Bully you, and don't know if I could if I wanted....which I don't......just saying you better be able to cover on the edges.
Corner is a hard position to play since you are always in a reactionary position. Those that are good are on a island almost every play. You don't usually see when others on the D get beat, but you see when a corner gets beat. It's there as the chains are moved or the Ref signals TD.
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I agree.
I have often talked about how elite QBs have to be able to make throws to their receivers tot he 4 areas of a receiver's route, over or under, inside or out, with accuracy and quickness.
The QB and receiver have a natural advantage because they know where the ball is going. Now a CB can pick up clues as to where the ball is going that help him figure out where the ball is going before it is released, and defend, but even the best at this get caught in the wrong spot. If the DB decides that the play is going underneath, and he tries to undercut the pass only to see the ball wind up going over the top ...... or if he decides to bite on an inside move, and leaves himself open to a back shoulder throw to the outside, well then great physical talent helps them make up the "difference".
So, a CB has to be able to read clues from the QB and WR ...... see and understand where the ball is going, and be able to adjust his coverage accordingly, and then he must be able to use his physical talent and abilities to compensate for the times he gets beat. It's quite a huge package of abilities that have to combine in one player. It's no wonder that there are so few truly elite corners in the league, or coming up.
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If Milliner is avalable @ #6 its a NO BRAINER!!! 
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That is not true. If he is there we still have to consider trading down.
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some folks are talking about the pass rush. I agree. It helps.
But if Skrine is asked to cover a big WR on the outside, that pass rush better get there quick. Because those defensive holding calls don't take more than 2 seconds.
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That is not true. If he is there we still have to consider trading down.
If Milliner is NOT a no brainer if avalable @ #6 then are you suggesting we bybass the drafts top CB to pick up a 2nd Rd. pick and then take who? Rhodes? Just wondering ... 
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If you value a 2nd rounder more than the difference between Milliner and Rhodes (I think they are closer than it seems) then yes...
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