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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/05/browns-release-frostee-rucker/Browns release Frostee Rucker Posted by Josh Alper on February 5, 2013, 4:56 PM EST The switch to the 3-4 defense has claimed its first victim in Cleveland. The Browns announced Tuesday that they have released defensive end Frostee Rucker after one year in Cleveland. Rucker signed a five-year deal with the Browns last offseason, pocketing a $5 million signing bonus and $8 million in guaranteed money for his brief stay with the team. He was due a $2 million roster bonus later this week, so the Browns had no reason to see if there was some way to make it work with Rucker in the new scheme. Rucker had four sacks, 48 tackles and a forced fumble in 16 starts for the Browns. He’s been a solid run defender for several years, which should help him land work with a team that plays a 4-3 front and needs an end. The Browns get some money back under the cap by releasing Rucker now, although his signing bonus means that there will be a bit of dead money on the cap in Cleveland this year. He likely won’t be the only member of the team to get a pink slip as the new regime starts building things their way.
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I thought he had a solid year, and would be a lock to stay if we stuck with the 4-3...but considering the switch to the 3-4 it seems like the first casualty of the new regime. Horton probably told banner he isnt a big man who is fast, or a little man who can hit lol
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I thought he had a solid year, and would be a lock to stay if we stuck with the 4-3...but considering the switch to the 3-4 it seems like the first casualty of the new regime. Horton probably told banner he isnt a big man who is fast, or a little man who can hit lol
j/c i'm gonna go on record and say now we should have kept our D intact...
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I thought he had a solid year, and would be a lock to stay if we stuck with the 4-3...but considering the switch to the 3-4 it seems like the first casualty of the new regime. Horton probably told banner he isnt a big man who is fast, or a little man who can hit lol
j/c i'm gonna go on record and say now we should have kept our D intact...
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Nah, it's not a teardown and it'll be seemless scheme switch, Rucker will play some DE 
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Well, that was fast. At least we've created another need that we can draft in the first. Guess I'd better start spelling Lotulelei correctly.
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One player does not a tear down make. Relax Chicken Little.
I wish we had stuck 4-3 as well and believe it would have made more sense to do so. BUT we're not and we do have a solid defensive mind running the new scheme so let's just see what the guy does with it.
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Nah, it's not a teardown and it'll be seemless scheme switch, Rucker will play some DE
This is pretty much a complete reboot on O and D.
We will have a new starting QB next year, new scheme on O, new scheme on D ... this is a start over. Again.
Hopefully they get it right this time.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Rucker came here because of the 4-3. I believe he doesn't like playing a block eater. Anyway, losing one DE does not merit being called a tear down. Now when they start on the LBs, a tear down probably will begin. I see no LB on this team other than DQ and maybe Gocong who fit the 3-4. JMJ might be a good fit at ILB, but as for OLB, I think we are SOL.  I also am on the fence about DQ in the 3-4, he was not all that good while we had it here. IMO, honestly, it will be more of a retooling than a complete tear down. I have to side with the Toad somewhat though, as I too believe that even with the 4-3, we had some major holes to fill. I guess we can all call it what we want for now, IMO, FA period will tell the story.
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Dmitri Patterson gone, Rucker gone.
Scott Fujita, Sheldon Brown, and Juqua Parker will likely not be heavily pursued in FA.
Usama Young (1 yr left) and Chris Gocong ($3mil of '13 contract guaranteed) you are on notice.
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Nah, it's not a teardown and it'll be seemless scheme switch, Rucker will play some DE
This is pretty much a complete reboot on O and D.
We will have a new starting QB next year, new scheme on O, new scheme on D ... this is a start over. Again.
Hopefully they get it right this time.
we can only hope...
I do see us releasing/not resigning about 20/25 players. I don't think it will be a tear down as much as a retool. I do think that we should have stuck with the 4-3 but... it's water under the bridge.
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Are you guys serious? We release ONE player. ONE....who really is nothing BUT a 4-3 defensive end. Yeah, he did a decent job for us but jesus kids......its frostee rucker. Relax.
I hate to see what everyone will do when we cut Juqua Parker..... mass suicides.
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Are you guys serious? We release ONE player. ONE....who really is nothing BUT a 4-3 defensive end. Yeah, he did a decent job for us but jesus kids......its frostee rucker. Relax.
I hate to see what everyone will do when we cut Juqua Parker..... mass suicides.
I agree with this statement. I think our DL depth is still good even when we likely let go of Parker.
Sign 2 of the 3 in Jammer + Spencer + Philips and I'd say we'd be able to have the incoming talent outweigh the outgoing talent easily.
DE: Hughes/Taylor/Winn/?Parker - or find somebody?
NT: Rubin/Kitchen
OLBers are the big need and Rucker wasn't playing OLB.
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We just released a guy who made me shake my head by his signing in the first place .. Not like his departure is a huge loss in any way !!..
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I don't want to think about this....but in a 4-3:
Sheard, Taylor, Rubin and Damontre Moore
That's a Top 5 line in the NFL. Ugh...
I get why Chud thinks operating against a "hybrid" defense is difficult. There are all kinds of schematic variables. Guess what's MORE difficult?!? Operating against a standard 4-3 where the 4 defensive linemen are better than your 5 offensive lineman.
That gets perplexing real quick.
Seriously I'm tired of this crap. I hearby decree that we should establish a Browns statue somewhere downtown. And fans can go there and knee it in the balls and slap it in the face. It would be satisfying to me.
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Well, that was fast. At least we've created another need that we can draft in the first. Guess I'd better start spelling Lotulelei correctly.
As was said, he was due another 2 mil in two weeks. Would it have made you feel better had we kept him around another 13 days?
I am not ripping you my friend, just saying that Snowman wasn't a part of the new equation.
He was a decent guy and a pretty fair player, but I'm not going to get worked up over releasing Frostee Rucker.
Heck, I could argue we did the right thing by doing this now.....it gives him and his agent a few extra weeks to send out feelers and allows other teams a few extra weeks to check his tape.
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I don't want to think about this....but in a 4-3:
Sheard, Taylor, Rubin and Damontre Moore
That's a Top 5 line in the NFL. Ugh...
I get why Chud thinks operating against a "hybrid" defense is difficult. There are all kinds of schematic variables. Guess what's MORE difficult?!? Operating against a standard 4-3 where the 4 defensive linemen are better than your 5 offensive lineman.
That gets perplexing real quick.
Seriously I'm tired of this crap. I hearby decree that we should establish a Browns statue somewhere downtown. And fans can go there and knee it in the balls and slap it in the face. It would be satisfying to me.
Bold call when Moore has yet to play a down of NFL football.
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There are a handful of guys that are tailor made to be top flight 43RDEs. And that's rare. It's a great draft for edge rushers where we sit.
And I think Moore is the best of the lot. He's going to be a top flight guy real quick.
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Nah, it's not a teardown and it'll be seemless scheme switch, Rucker will play some DE
This is pretty much a complete reboot on O and D.
We will have a new starting QB next year, new scheme on O, new scheme on D ... this is a start over. Again.
Hopefully they get it right this time.
It is a start over. You guys are just figuring this out?
I know you aren't the main culprit, Rish, so don't think I am picking on you. You are a friend and I talk to you more than others, but what is it about last years record you hold so precious???
We were a bad football team. To me that's the bottom line.
I don't want to start over any more than anyone else, but we need to....we sucked. Why salvage large parts of that?
I've got news for you, our D had grass stains on their asses more often than not.
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Parker is a free agent. Maiava and Fujita are as well. This is how I see our line right now... LDE: Phil Taylor (only because we have so many NTs) NT: Athyba Rubin / John Hughes / Ishmai'ily KitchenRDE: Billy Winn (and I'm not convinced this is a good fit for him... only if our D is a LOT different from the last time we were in a 3-4. So we need at least two depth DEs that can play... preferably one a starter on the right side making Winn depth. And the LBs... LOLB: Jabaal Sheard that just made me sad, Chris Gocong who I expect will be cut, Hall Davis? SILB: James-Michael Johnson, LJ FortWILB: D'Qwell Jackson, Craig RobertsonROLB: Adrian Moten? So I think we need for sure a new starter at RDE, ROLB, and maybe a new starter at SILB. We also need an additional depth player at LDE, ROLB, LOLB if Gocong is cut. Should be an exciting offseason!
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Our team won 5 games last year. We almost won a handful more. And we're now taking some of the strengths of that team and neutralizing them purposefully, setting us back further. That's my problem. I'm here for the long haul and so are many fans and obviously Jimmy Haslem is as well. He's constructing this how he wants it constructed short term results be damned. I get that. But I have a feeling that the nice bump we see on offense is going to be counterbalanced by a big bump down on defense as it stands today. And another 5 win season is on the horizon. Rooting for this team is debilitating for the soul. 
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There are a handful of guys that are tailor made to be top flight 43RDEs. And that's rare. It's a great draft for edge rushers where we sit.
And I think Moore is the best of the lot. He's going to be a top flight guy real quick.
I actually agree with you...I think Moore is the closest thing to a can;t miss prospect in this draft. But I'm not ready to annoint him the next Bruce Smith quite yet.
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There are a handful of guys that are tailor made to be top flight 43RDEs. And that's rare. It's a great draft for edge rushers where we sit.
And I think Moore is the best of the lot. He's going to be a top flight guy real quick.
I actually agree with you...I think Moore is the closest thing to a can;t miss prospect in this draft. But I'm not ready to annoint him the next Bruce Smith quite yet.
More than that my point was that the other three guys...where they currently are and what they're currently asked to do...are pretty damn good. You add a top RDE talent and bingo you're there.
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Bottom line is that we're going to be a 3-4 team ... "hybrid" or not .... and that we won't need 9 or 10 DL for a 3-4 team. We save money for cutting a guy who won't fit the new 3-4 alignment, doing him a favor at the same time we also save the team money. It's a no brainer, win- win all the way around.
We'll probably only carry 6 DL next year with maybe only 5 active on gamedays. We need to clear roster spots for spare LB .... and this was one step in that direction.
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we should establish a Browns statue somewhere downtown. And fans can go there and knee it in the balls and slap it in the face. It would be satisfying to me.
sounds like a job for the pee guy...
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we should establish a Browns statue somewhere downtown. And fans can go there and knee it in the balls and slap it in the face. It would be satisfying to me.
sounds like a job for the pee guy...
Hell no ....... dig up fArt's old bones instead .......... 
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Our team won 5 games last year. We almost won a handful more.
And we're now tak°ng some of the strengths of that team and neutralizing them purposefully, setting us back further.
That's my problem.
I'm here for the long haul and so are many fans and obviously Jimmy Haslem is as well. He's constructing this how he wants it constructed short term results be damned. I get that.
But I have a feeling that the nice bump we see on offense is going to be counterbalanced by a big bump down on defense as it stands today.
And another 5 win season is on the horizon.
Rooting for this team is debilitating for the soul.
I hear you man, but we have been "almost winning" games for 10 years or so....I don't count those anymore other than as a loss. I am over the "moral" victories. I want demoralizing wins or almost losses.
No??
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I don't think it will be a tear down as much as a retool.
Semantics... blow it up and start over. 
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Thank you for your year in Cleveland Frostee and thanks for giving it your all and busting your ass. You did everything that was ask of you last season and your good attitude and hustle will be missed.
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I agree that the defense was pretty good this year, but they were still just good enough for us to lose rather spectacularly 8 times. The Browns defensive attitude has been a 'slow them down' type of strategy for years. I'd like to see an attacking defense for once. I'd like to see the Browns forcing opposing offenses to adjust to them, instead of the other way around.
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I scoffed at this signing originally but he made me look bad.
Best of luck to Frostee wherever he lands.
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I never wanted to sign him, so I really am not at all upset that he's gone.
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I know no one ever wants to come here anyways...
But I REALLY hope something comes out in the future that lets me know Heckert was NOT ALLOWED to go after FAs..
I knew we tried on the Garcon's of the world...
But when your biggest FA signings over two years are Usama Young and Frostee Rucker? Don't be surprised you're only winning 5 games and getting fired.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Figured they would try him at DE but his lack of hustle probably doomed him. He wasnt bad but his motor just wasnt as good as the other guys on the line and I will include Parker in there as well.
Wasn't bad, wasnt really good either.
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Are you guys serious? We release ONE player. ONE....who really is nothing BUT a 4-3 defensive end. Yeah, he did a decent job for us but jesus kids......its frostee rucker. Relax.
I hate to see what everyone will do when we cut Juqua Parker..... mass suicides.
LOL It's one guy that's expensive and doesn't fit the new thinking. what's the big deal.
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Are you guys serious? We release ONE player. ONE....who really is nothing BUT a 4-3 defensive end. Yeah, he did a decent job for us but jesus kids......its frostee rucker. Relax.
I hate to see what everyone will do when we cut Juqua Parker..... mass suicides.
LOL It's one guy that's expensive and doesn't fit the new thinking. what's the big deal.
Didn't you get the memo? The sky is falling. 
For the record, Parker is a free agent.
Mourg, I have never thought Rucker was this really solid player, and the All-22 stuff I paid for confirmed it. He was decent but almost became a one-down player. Parker was supposed to only come in on 3rd down, but as the year went on, Rucker lost snaps to Parker and even Winn. Having said that, I didn't really notice a lack of hustle. Just ability. Precious-little rush ability, and later in the year when teams ran right at him they took some sizable gains.
I would have liked to have seen what Heckert would have done had he been allowed to spend money in free agency. When your biggest signing is freakin' Frostee Rucker, well, it's no wonder we stunk.
With Rucker the Bengals ranked 10th against the run in 2011. Without him they ranked 12th. Meh. I mean there are very few stats that point to Rucker being part of the answer. That's a very mediocre player for $20 million bucks.
But he WAS better than Jayme Mitchell, so I guess that's something.
Can't wait to start filling in the parts for the 3-4.
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LOL It's one guy that's expensive and doesn't fit the new thinking. what's the big deal.
True, but you know darn well that if we had kept him, some of the same people complaining about his release would be whining about the wasted money of keeping him on the roster!
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Well, that was fast. At least we've created another need that we can draft in the first. Guess I'd better start spelling Lotulelei correctly.
As was said, he was due another 2 mil in two weeks. Would it have made you feel better had we kept him around another 13 days?
I am not ripping you my friend, just saying that Snowman wasn't a part of the new equation.
He was a decent guy and a pretty fair player, but I'm not going to get worked up over releasing Frostee Rucker.
Heck, I could argue we did the right thing by doing this now.....it gives him and his agent a few extra weeks to send out feelers and allows other teams a few extra weeks to check his tape.
I don't think it's just the release of Rucker that has him upset, it's that it signals the start of things.
I totally get it. I mean, what if Jabaal Sheard can't play that LB/DE position which is so important to the 3-4? It's a waste of a second round pick. What about these guys Winn and Hughes, they weren't high picks, but they were still picks and it wipes out what we had going with that D-line over the last few years.
I think Taylor can play in a 3-4, he's big enough to where he can get it done, we know Rubin can. Haden is good enough to fit in any scheme.
I think some fans are just worried that eventually Sheard, Hughes, Winn, etc may be phased out, and that just erases some of our progress the last two years, and we've seen very little positives with this team since '99. It worries me too.
The one good thing is we can shorten the tranisition immediately with that #6 pick if you can find the right guy for the scheme. It would make me feel a lot better.
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j/c heres a list of charger free agents in case Norv wants some of his guys...guards stand out and a free safety. chargers free agents
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