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or this is just a smoke screen
it doesn't seem fair to Alex Smith to bring him back. most teams know they likely wouldn't do it (they could for 1 year I guess). so, I expect teams to call their bluff.
it just takes one over-anxious team looking at this year's draft QB crop to make a trade and SF knows it. Seattle also said they are listening to offers on Matt Flynn (as if they won't cut him if they cannot trade him).
And, of course, there is the Browns that have said that they'll do whatever it is to improve the team, including considering trade offers for Weeden and McCoy.
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Who cares about all this other crap? We just had our first use of the phrase "smoke screen." It's officially draft time!
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or this is just a smoke screen
I would like to thank the academy and all the little people who helped make this happen
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Lombardi wants the correct measurables at all positions and the golden boy at QB. He wants 6-5 230 with the big arm and thanks to Weeden age is a consideration lol. I am sure he is actively shopping both Weeden and McCoy.
We wont be drafting the "football player" unless he measures up. I think you can say that at every position with Lombardi in charge.
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Lombardi wants the correct measurables at all positions and the golden boy at QB. He wants 6-5 230 with the big arm and thanks to Weeden age is a consideration lol. I am sure he is actively shopping both Weeden and McCoy.
We wont be drafting the "football player" unless he measures up. I think you can say that at every position with Lombardi in charge.
Well, I'm not so sure of that. I'm not even sure how heavy Lombardi's input will weigh in the decisions.
They did say that they wanted a consensus, but 3 of 4 (Haslam, Banner, Lombardi, Chudzinski) could be viewed as a consensus (with Haslam having the most weight since he writes the checks). I say that about Haslam because he may absolutely hate a player that the others like and he could ultimately veto any such pick (although he probably wouldn't in such an instance).
If the Browns could trade both Weeden and McCoy, I would not object to it. It would seem to me that they would have brought in a QB in free agency with the plan to take one in somewhere (probably 3rd or 4th round) to make sure that whoever they brought in during free agency wouldn't feel compelled to sit on their laurels.
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At this point, if you can get a 4th-5th for McCoy and a 3rd-4th for Weeden, might as well cut their(H&Hs) losses and move on...
Bring in Matt Moore and draft someone in the 3rd-5th...
If Moore lights it up great, if not next years class is prime and ready for us to get a QB...
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The difference between Jesus and religion
Religion mocks you for having dirty feet
Jesus gets down on his knees and washes them
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As of January 14th the Ravens had $15.7 million in cap space.
Right. So can they sign him right now to a contract that pays him more that 15.7 next year, or do they have to clear the space first?
Not 100% sure but I think they would have to clear space before they signed him if they sign him for more than the room they currently have.
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As of January 14th the Ravens had $15.7 million in cap space.
Right. So can they sign him right now to a contract that pays him more that 15.7 next year, or do they have to clear the space first?
The Ravens have to have the cap space that Flacco's contract would take up before he can sign. If they tag him, then that tag amount is immediately counted against their cap for this year. If they then sign him to a contract that takes less cap space this year, then they get that cap space back.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Ok, because as far as I knew, Flacco is likely going to want more than 16m a year...
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Exclusive Flacco franchise tag would reverberate well beyond 2013 Posted by Mike Florio on February 22, 2013, 3:36 PM EST Reuters As the Ravens and agent Joe Linta, representative of quarterback Joe Flacco, prepare to talk contract for the first time in months, there’s another important factor to keep in mind regarding the seemingly no-brainer possibility that the Ravens would use the exclusive version of the franchise tag on the Super Bowl XLVII MVP. At current levels of top-five quarterback pay, Flacco’s tender as of April 19 would lock in at $20.464 million. That would make Flacco eligible for a 2014 franchise tender of $24.55 million, based on the rule guaranteeing a franchise player a 20-percent raise upon the second use of the tag. And then, if the Ravens were to use the franchise tag for a third time in 2015, Flacco would be eligible to receive a 44-percent raise. Which would translate to a franchise tender of $35.36 million. That’s a three-year haul of $80.37 million. Which, under the exclusive tag, becomes the starting point on a long-term deal With the non-exclusive tag, which starts at roughly $14.6 million in 2013, the three-year total would be $57.34 million ($14.6 million with a 20-percent raise will be $17.52 million in 2014, which grows to $25.23 million with a 44-percent raise in 2015). So while the difference between the non-exclusive tag and the exclusive tag amounts to less than $6 million in 2013, the gap by 2015 will be $23 million. And the total difference over three years will be $36 million. Which could force the Ravens to roll the dice on the non-exclusive tag, hopeful that Flacco wouldn’t call their bluff and sign a long-term deal elsewhere. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/
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So with 15.7 in Cap room, they can tag him at 14.6 this year if they can't work out a deal...
But then say we come in with a contract that pays him 20m in the first year...
Are the Ravens even allowed to match it without dumping cap first?
I doubt Flacco is going to accept a backloaded deal, and if he wasn't going to give them a discount last year, why would he do it now?
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So with 15.7 in Cap room, they can tag him at 14.6 this year if they can't work out a deal...
But then say we come in with a contract that pays him 20m in the first year...
Are the Ravens even allowed to match it without dumping cap first?
I doubt Flacco is going to accept a backloaded deal, and if he wasn't going to give them a discount last year, why would he do it now?
The Ravens would have a set amount of time in which to match a signed offer sheet. (IIRC, it's a week or 10 days) They would have to create enough cap space within the alloted time in order to match the offer sheet. Once the offer sheet is accepted, the full amount of the first year's salary and bonuses count towards their salary cap.
If we signed Flacco to a contract with a $30 million first year salary, then the Ravens would have to clear enough room against their cap to allow for $30 million in salary to be added under the cap in order for them to match the offer. I do not believe that they are allowed to modify his deal in the 1st year .... but I'm not 100% sure on that one.
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Can we sign Ellerbee and Kruger first...THEN Flacco?  I'm not sure if I'd be more excited if we got Flacco, or if we totally ruined their Cap...
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Yep. We could do that.
Theoretically.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Can we sign Ellerbee and Kruger first...THEN Flacco?
I'm not sure if I'd be more excited if we got Flacco, or if we totally ruined their Cap...
The more I think about it, the more I think Kruger would be a waste. If you look at this draft it may not have maquee QBs but it has a ton of pass rusher.
At this Point I like in no particular order:
Ziggy (Ansah BYU)
Moore (A&M)
Jones (UGA)
Jordan (OR)
One of those guys will be available at 6. Unless the plan is to trade Sheard for a 2nd round pick (I think that would be a mistake) then I don't think Kruger makes a ton of sense.
I do feel like Ellerbe would be a worthwhile investment and would add more leadership to the defense. In addition the MLB class is weak in the draft.
My ideal offseason:
1) Flacco: Look the guy was awesome in the playoffs, he probably is the best deep player thrower in the NFL which happens to coincide with what Norv Turner likes to do, and lastly it would crush a AFC rival. Our offense would improve drastically the O-line could give him time and he would have weapons on offense (Gordon, Little, Richardson). The only thing I would like to see brought in besides Flacco on offense would be TE and Fullback.
The contract would be roughh but the Browns would eat a lot of money up front (to cause problems for the Ravens) opening up cap space over life of the contract.
2) Sign Ellerbe for the aforementioned reasons
3) Draft Ziggy, Moore, or Jones. The Browns defensive line would set Taylor-Rubin-Winn and so would the linebackers #6 Moore/Ziggy/Jones-Ellerbe-Jackson-Sheard
Can't fix it all in one year and the only real concern would be the secondary.
In a side note if the eagles cut Namdi anyone think he's got anything left? I didn't watch to many eagles game but It was unfathomable to go for a top 2 corner to the scrap heap in year basically. Maybe it was problem misuse with the Eagles as he was a man-corner who they asked to play zone all the time. I figure with Hortron the Corners are going to be on an island. If He came cheap maybe he would be a quick fix for Corner #2/Slot Corner.
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