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Vikes looking to deal Harvin.

http://min.scout.com/2/1265767.html

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Hes not a FA but if the refs deem this to go under FA speculation thats cool.

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Nah.

I'd rather get an older WR vet to help the kids along (while drafting another late rounder).

Plus, isn't Harvin always fighting off terrible migranes?


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Wouldn't touch him. He's been put down for yelling at the head coach, and has had run-in's with the previous one. He's available because he's a cancer who has value.

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Classic Patriots guy.

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yes.

had already said/thought the same thing on Titus Young too. he's the type of guy they end up letting Welker walk for to get on the cheap and will end up producing the same statistics.

Bill Belichick will break him


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watch him go to the Pats instead of them signing the older Welker ... and Harvin succeeding big time in the same role.

I'd be intrigued with him quite honestly. We desperately need a slot WR, and he's about the best young slot WR in the game. A lot of baggage though.


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Well, the Pats are one of the few STRONG teams that MIGHT be able to get his head where it belongs.

I don't see us as a good match w him AT ALL...

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Yes. And yes.

I know that he's a little looney but he's a playmaker for a team bereft of playmakers for the last 25 years.


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Nnnnope. Not worth the hassle.


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It all depends on the cost. I'm guessing it will cost at least a 2nd round pick (which we don't have). And then you will also have to give him a new contract. I would do it.

Every team should be interested in a guy who has talent like Harvin. It seems like his issues have mainly stemmed from hating Brad Childress and wanting a new contract. He is a dynamic playmaker in the passing game, return game, and even the rushing game. A better version of the post-special teams gunner Josh Cribbs.

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I just wonder if a guy like Turner couldn't get him under control.. Just a thought..


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Totally worth the hassle.

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Yes. And yes.

I know that he's a little looney but he's a playmaker for a team bereft of playmakers for the last 25 years.




Thanks. I'm glad someone was willing to say it.

Make the deal. Harvin, Gordon, Little. Sounds good to me.


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none whatsoever.

It's one thing for a team like the Pats, who are legit SB contenders and have a proven head coach and great veteran leadership. It makes sense.. why not try to grab talented starting corners with 4th and 7th round picks? (Talib and Dennard)... same thing with Harvin, it's a low risk high reward type move.

The Browns have a young, impressionable team. I think it's a good approach to build that culture of winning and accountability before you even consider bringing in a selfish problem child, regardless of talent.

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At this point I don't care if our entire roster came from the penal system.

Give me some reasons to watch on Sunday.

I'm tired of 5 win seasons.


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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These are football players, not kindergartners.

Chudzinski was with Steve Smith (a guy who sucker punched his own teammate and broke his face) and Cam Newton (a guy who blamed everyone but himself after every loss) in Carolina.

Handling Harvin would be easy. Pay him and get him the ball.

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The Vikings organization, having watched the last two head coaches have a devil of a time with Harvin, are wanting to dump him. That might indicate "handling Harvin" is anything but easy.


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He wants a new contract. Once he gets that he will become much easier to deal with.

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My guess is that it would be a swap of first rounders... 6 for 23 & Harvin.

This would probably have to be done well before the draft, which would be a tough sell for me. But if you told me that Milliner, Moore, and Lotulelei were gone at 6 and Werner can't convert to OLB, then I think I'd take it.

Could still probably get one of Rhodes, Trufant, Banks, or Poyer at 23 and have an impact player on offense.

Alternatively, could get one of Okafor, Jordan, Mingo, or Datone Jones in the front 7.

If you told me I could get Elam at 23 I'd do it today. Little men who can hit! (hides)

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Harvin and a player with the 23rd pick would be a steal.

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At this point I don't care if our entire roster came from the penal system.

Give me some reasons to watch on Sunday.

I'm tired of 5 win seasons.



I hear you man. You kind of have to judge players/character risks on a case by case basis. We have recently drafted some players who had questionable pasts but by all accounts as Browns they have been hard workers and great teammates.

Guys that can't get along with their teammates and coaches.. I can't find any place on a team for someone like that, especially at the stage where the Browns are. By all accounts Harvin has had trouble with Frazier, Childress, and I seem to remember him having some trouble at Florida too. Maybe 'peen can chime in.

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saw somewhere that they were looking for a second, that's why I suggested the swap.

From NFL.com:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ign=Twitter_atl

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We told you earlier Sunday of a report that the Minnesota Vikings will attempt to trade star wide receiver Percy Harvin, who might have used up the reserve tank of his team's patience.

It remains to be seen if Harvin is truly on the block, but let's take a moment to list five teams who could serve as a logical landing spot for the playmaker.


1. New England Patriots: With both Wes Welker and Brandon Lloyd potentially moving on, the Patriots could be on track for a facelift at wide receiver. Bill Belichick is reportedly a big admirer of Harvin, and Harvin certainly has the type of versatility that Belichick covets. The Patriots aren't known to shell out big money for wideouts, but that doesn't mean they won't.

2. San Francisco 49ers: Michael Crabtree's emergence was a huge lift for Jim Harbaugh, but the Niners are still looking for consistency at wide receiver. Mario Manningham and Kyle Williams are coming off serious knee injuries and Randy Moss is unlikely to return. The Niners don't have a ton of cap room to play with, but they could get creative to land a player who could serve as the final piece of the puzzle.

3. Miami Dolphins: Ryan Tannehill certainly deserves a better class of wide receiver, and general manager Jeff Ireland made it clear last month he will aggressively search the market for playmakers to put around his young quarterback. Harvin would instantly slide in as the Dolphins' No. 1 wideout and they should have the funds to get an extension done. The team's decision on free agent left tackle Jake Long will play a role here.

4. Jacksonville Jaguars: Shad Khan is intent on bringing excitement to the NFL's most moribund franchise, and Harvin is on the short list of the game's most electric talents. Given the Jaguars' dearth of talent -- and the team's wavering faith in Blaine Gabbert -- it makes complete sense for new general manager Dave Caldwell to kick the tires on Harvin. If Justin Blackmon puts it together, that's a mean 1-2.

5. Cleveland Browns: The good people of Cleveland deserve a dynamic star they can call their own. Seriously, can you name one since the Browns came back into the league in 1999? The Browns should have ample cap space to extend Harvin, who would team with Josh Gordon and Greg Little to form a rock-solid group of young wideouts. Throw Trent Richardson into that mix at running back, and the Browns -- at long last -- might be onto something.

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I think Miami is probably the most-likely spot. They have an extra second and an extra third this year.

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These are football players, not kindergartners.

Chudzinski was with Steve Smith (a guy who sucker punched his own teammate and broke his face) and Cam Newton (a guy who blamed everyone but himself after every loss) in Carolina.

Handling Harvin would be easy. Pay him and get him the ball.



And I wouldn't trade for Steve Smith either

Cam gets a little bit of an undeserved bad rap IMO, but that comes with the territory of being a starting QB in the NFL.

Harvin wants a new contract. Just looking back to last off-season, VJax signed for 5 years/$55m with 26 guaranteed. Harvin presumably wants something in that ballpark, plus we would have to part with a draft pick. That's just way too big of an investment for a diva receiver who can't get along with Leslie freaking Frazier. Seriously, how do you not get along with Leslie Frazier? He is probably the calmest head coach I have ever seen.

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We're off and I'm not sure there is any turning back now. The "Percy Harvin on the trade block" story is in full swing in NFL media circles and, barring a total denial from the Minnesota Vikings, figures to remain in the headlines for the foreseeable future.

(Actually, in the world of sports trade talk, even a total denial wouldn't suffice. We all know how these things work.)

We spelled out last week the Vikings' complicated situation with Harvin, a 24-year-old playmaker whose off-field behavior has ranged from eccentric to unruly in four years with the team. He is entering the final year of his rookie contract, which means now is probably the time for the Vikings to make their Big Decision on his future.

Coach Leslie Frazier and general manager Rick Spielman both stopped short last week of committing to having Harvin on their team in 2013. A WCCO-Ch. 4 report over the weekend added fuel to speculation that the Vikings will try to trade him, and on Monday our friends at ESPN Insider had already posted a list of possible suitors Insider. (The New England Patriots and San Francisco 49ers make a lot of sense.)

The post, penned by Sam Monson of Pro Football Focus, notes that transcendent players such as Harvin are rarely traded at this point in their careers. What we've heard to this point might all go down as high-level contract leveraging against a player who is seeking to be among the NFL's highest-paid receivers. Indeed, as ESPN's Adam Schefter says in the video, the Vikings are already short on receivers and would be further weakened if they traded away their best one.

If the Vikings can't find a compromise in negotiations with Harvin, what could they get in return? In the ESPN Insider piece, Monson discussed the possibility of a second-round draft pick, the price for a player considered damaged goods. I agree with Monson's assessment on that price; it would be the steal of the decade in the NFL. If the Vikings take less than a first-round pick for him, we could only conclude that their off-field concerns are deeper than currently contemplated.


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Trade Percy Harvin? Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all
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February 11, 2013 12:25 pm ET

Can the Vikings afford to send Harvin elsewhere? (US Presswire)

There's a report out there that Minnesota is considering whether to trade wide receiver Percy Harvin, and when you wonder why the Vikings might cast off a dynamic young playmaker who can run, catch and return kicks, consider this: Because it makes sense.

He might be a headache not worth assuming.

OK, so he's versatile and productive. He's hardly indispensable. When he bowed out last season the Vikings were third in the NFC North. When the regular season ended they were 10-6 and one of six teams in the NFC playoffs.
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Do the math, people. They were better without him.

Harvin can do a lot of things and a lot of things well, but so could Terrell Owens -- and five clubs couldn't wait to get rid of him. Talent doesn't necessarily win championships or determine playoff teams, and look no farther than this year's Baltimore Ravens. They weren't the most talented club in the NFL. Far from it. But they pulled together down the stretch and won games they weren't supposed to win because they had a chemistry critical to success.

And that's where I'd start with Harvin. Reports allege he was put on injured reserve after a run-in with coach Leslie Frazier in front of teammates, and while people close to the team tell me those stories were overblown it's still a confrontation with the head coach -- and that's not exactly how you build team character.

Harvin put up prodigious numbers while he was in the lineup, and his absence was supposed to cripple the Vikings ... only it didn't, with Minnesota winning five of its last seven starts and Frazier gaining Coach of the Year votes. Bottom line: The Vikings were better off without him, and that tells me all I need to know about how invaluable Harvin is to the franchise or how much grief Frazier or the organization should tolerate.

"We have no issues with Percy Harvin," general manager Rick Spielman said after the season.

Maybe, but they could. Let's start with Harvin's contract. Harvin wasn't happy last summer and made some rumblings about wanting to be traded, with the Vikings rejecting the request. But his contract expires after the 2013 season, and, just a hunch, but Harvin demands a megabuck deal in the DeSean Jackson neighborhood -- and I understand listening if you believe you can't survive without the guy.

But the Vikings just did.

Second, there's that productivity I was talking about. While Harvin's average number of catches per game increased with each year since his rookie season, his average number of yards-per-catch did not. In fact, they declined with each season, reaching a career low of 10.9 in 2012. His touchdowns declined last year, too, from a career-best nine in 2011 to five.

I know, he missed the last seven games, and, next to Adrian Peterson, he was their most important playmaker. I get that. But I also get that Minnesota was never better than it was in those last five victories -- particularly the last two when it defeated division champions Houston and Green Bay.

People close to the Vikings tell me Harvin's not a bad guy; that he's ultra-competitive and wants the football -- which, basically, makes him like most wide receivers. What makes him different is that, according to those same people, he doesn't believe that in Christian Ponder he has the quarterback to make him a premier player.

But while Ponder isn't a franchise quarterback, he did lead the Vikings to the playoffs for the first time in three years. As important, two of his three best performances were without Harvin in the lineup.

I don't know if Ponder amounts to anything more than an adequate quarterback, but I'd cut him some slack. He's been playing two years, and the Vikings will give him every chance to prove himself. They're not interested in anyone or anything that gets in the way ... nor should they be ... and Harvin might qualify on both accounts.

The Vikings know they can win with the guy. It happened his rookie year when Brett Favre came this close to leading the Vikings to a Super Bowl, and Harvin had 60 catches. But they also know they can win without him.

Better yet, they know they can win as a team, which might be the bigger issue here. If Harvin complains every time a Ponder pass goes awry or wants to challenge the head coach in front of teammates or is eager to launch a public campaign for a new contract then he needs to find another area code.

Which is another way of saying hasta la vista, baby.

Percy Harvin is good player. A very good player. But he is not a great player. Good players are in abundance in the NFL. Great players are not. You cherish great players because they are reliable and dependable. You keep the good ones until or unless they become a distraction.

Then you get rid of them.


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hmm, his teammates saw him differently...

http://progators.blogs.gatorsports.com/13685/vikings-harvin-playing-like-mvp-in-4th-season/

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Friday, October 12, 2012 at 4:34 by Talal Elmasry

Vikings receiver Percy Harvin, left, runs from 49ers free safety Dashon Goldson after a catch during a game on Sept. 23. Harvin leads the NFL in all-purpose yards with 814. (Photo by The Associated Press)

Vikings quarterback Christian Ponder gave Percy Harvin the ultimate praise on Thursday.

“He might be the best player in the NFL right now,” Ponder told the Chicago Tribune.

And those words come from a former Seminole who has running back Adrian Peterson as a teammate.

Harvin may not be the best player in the NFL this season. He may not win the MVP even though NFL.com and other publications have him in the mix. However the point is, it’s not a stretch to call him that. Even Peterson can’t deny the skill level of the player he says is the best he’s ever suited up with.

“I know talent,” Peterson told Jim Souhan of the Star Tribune in Minneapolis. “I can watch Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen and see the difference.”

Peterson doesn’t mind throwing Harvin the alley-oop, but calls himself and his teammate the two best players in the league.

“There are two Jordans on this team,” Peterson said. “I’m not trying to be cocky. I’m just very confident in my abilities.”

While Peterson seems to have regained his form after suffering a torn ACL and MCL in the second-to-last game of 2011 in Washington, the versatile Harvin is on pace for a historic season as Minnesota gets set to take on those same Redskins this week.

Harvin leads the NFL in all-purpose yards (814) heading into Week 6. The fourth-year pro is projected to finish with about 2,605 all-purpose yards this season. If he does, there will be no other player in NFL history to record that many yards at a younger age than the 24-year-old. In fact, Harvin is on pace to rack up about 271 more yards than his closest competition, the St. Louis Rams’ Steven Jackson, who recorded an NFL-best 2,334 all-purpose yards in 2006 at age 23.

Offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave, only in his second season guiding the Vikings’ offense, has figured out more elaborate ways to use Harvin and make life miserable for defenses.

“Bill studied what we did a year ago, found creative ways to use him,” head coach Leslie Frazier told the Chicago Tribune. “We are putting him in places we didn’t before and letting him stay on the field a lot longer. The way we’re moving him around is making it harder for defenses to find him.”

Last season, Harvin played 58.9 percent of the offensive snaps. This season, he’s playing 72 percent. The team was reluctant to play the 5-foot-11, 184-pounder in order to keep him healthy. But the team has made it more of a priority to put its speed demon with a reported max bench of 420 pounds on the field as much as possible, and it’s paid off.

Harvin is tied for first among receivers with 38 catches that have gone for 407 yards and a touchdown. He leads the league in yards after catch with 316, which is 102 yards more than the next best receiver, Demaryius Thomas of the Denver Broncos. Out of the backfield, Harvin has rushed 13 times for 62 yards and a touchdown. As a kickoff returner, Harvin has an NFL-best 38.3 yards per return. His 105-yard return for a score on the opening kickoff of the Vikings’ win over the Lions back in Week 4 was the fifth of his career.

Those numbers, and his versatility, illustrate how much of a headache the migraine-prone Harvin can induce on others ever since earning All-Pro and AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year honors in 2009.

A lot of people laughed when Minnesota owner Zygi Wilf said his team would win the competitive NFC North before the season. Well, the Vikings (4-1) are tied atop the standings right now with the Bears, and Harvin has a lot to do with that.

Maybe he’s not “the best player in the NFL right now” as his teammate boldly said, but he is the most versatile player the NFL has seen in a long time.



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It might also indicate that Harvin wants out so bad he's willing to risk his reputation to get traded.


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I agree.

This team needs talent, but it does not need headaches.

Harvin is a headache.


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In 6 years, he'll be as old as Weeden is now. What does that mean? I don't know. Now I have my own migraine.


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4.5years, but who cares about facts here anymore

That's what happens when rethoric is used to slant reality. Weeden just turned 29, but everyone acts as if he's already 30, but you already know that his experience level is that of a normal 24yo rook QB....but nobody cares about that either, so why even bother arguing with stupidity


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ok, that's wrong, but it's also funny.


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I'd take him in a heartbeat.

The guy gets it done.

High character guys and swell guys are great, but if you are perpetually stuck on 4-5 wins with guys like that, I say screw it, bring in some thugs who win games.....not that Harvin is a thug.

I could root for criminals. I did when I watched "The Longest Yard". I don't care about the off season. I just care about the in season.


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I'd take him in a heartbeat.

The guy gets it done.

High character guys and swell guys are great, but if you are perpetually stuck on 4-5 wins with guys like that, I say screw it, bring in some thugs who win games.....not that Harvin is a thug.

I could root for criminals. I did when I watched "The Longest Yard". I don't care about the off season. I just care about the in season.




No doubt. The vast majority here once cheered for a modell team afterall


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Harvin wants a new contract. That's it. Pay him and he will be fine.

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Vikings trade Percy Harvin to Seahawks for draft picks

No official word on what the draft picks are, but we'll find out soon enough.


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Vikings trade Percy Harvin to Seahawks for draft picks

No official word on what the draft picks are, but we'll find out soon enough.




I guess this now a moot question ...


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