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IF i cant find a trade partner, I take Rhodes at 6 without question but I think we will see some teams in the back trying to jump up.

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IF i cant find a trade partner, I take Rhodes at 6 without question but I think we will see some teams in the back trying to jump up.

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Really? Rhodes is far from a big drop off, imo

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Just regurgitating what I've heard from the "Experts" ...lol

Actually I think it was Mayock who I heard it from n I think he's a bit over rated but he's usually spot on w/DBs. If that is incorrect...my bad But have not looked at CBs much thinking if not Millner we are talking about 3rd round at the earliest...usually way after the 2nd round run on them so no bang for the buck by then. Honestly am not educated too much on this draft...what I know I know...so much I don't know. Rhodes is somebody I am pretty ignorant on.

Deepsouth: Nice to read you too

I still say Ziggy Ansah is not much of a risk. Most 3-4 OLB come from the college DE ranks. Its a tough transition for even the most football experience. Ansah if you look at the improvement he has made from his first several starts to his last 4. From the last 4 to the Senior Bowl. This kid is learning at a rate I've never seen before. Transitioning to LB??? I think he's ahead of any other DE making the transition.

Jones...I think has sick skills I wanted him here from the first time I saw him play in a college game this past season. I think he's ok to play...the risk is HOW LONG? I know all players are at risk for Injury to end a career. He more than most however. Ziggy is the guy 3 years from now all will be "MAN WE PASSED ON HIM...HOW DUMB WE WERE!!!" To me he is better than Orakpo coming into the draft. Think that was the guy I ended pimping the year I thought about Everett Brown...Its not the player as much as filling THAT POSITION which is the best thing for us Browns! 3-4 especially we need that guy...Even if we stayed in the 4-3 we needed that DE opposite of Sheard. Who btw struggled to play the Right side at DE his position of choice. Now he's going to be great at OLB from that right side???

Ansah or Jones at 6...LT Fisher...or Fisher gone n Johnson is the best LT prospect...I like us moving down to just #8 n pick up that early 2nd rounder. Still get one of the two.

I do fear Lions who all had taking Millner early now I see Ansah more n more.

JMHO

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This guy could easily have a DaQuan Bowers-like fall. How many "analysts" were shocked to see Bowers fall to the mid-20s let alone get selected the 50ish pick? I remember Kiper guessing Bowers for us with our first second rounder in 2011. We took a DE all right, just not Bowers. The concerns on Bowers were his long-term viability. I think the same concern, maybe even a larger injury problem, is here with Jones. Both were considered Top-5 picks if not for their medical history.

Another thing, how many teams would want to get near someone who could injure their spine easier than others? As much as player safety is a hot topic these days, how scared are teams knowing this condition already exists? I can just see teams in their meetings talking about uncertainty with Jones, especially in the first round and taking someone who is much less of a risk.

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I understand exactly what you and many others are thinking, BUT, when was the last time we took a chance on anything, that might be why we are who we are ... JMHO

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when was the last time we took a chance on anything, that might be why we are who we are ... JMHO

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Well, according to many, we reach for players all the time! I guess that's almost the same thing as taking a chance.

Look, I understand the potential of Jones. I don't think anyone disputes that. And to be honest, I am not necessarily opposed to the guy because I am not fully aware of how serious his issue is. Furthermore, with the new CBA, these top 10 picks (or any picks in the first round for that matter) don't come with guaranteed money risk they once did.

But let's put this out there too. This is Banner and Lombardi's first draft. Maybe they don't want to start off taking a pass rusher (when so many of somewhat equal skill sets are available) that could get seriously injured due to his condition. There are plenty of legitimate pass rushers at 6 IMO. Is Jones one of them? Of course. But others don't also have a medical dark cloud hanging over them.

Again, not sure if Banner and Lombardi are "looking to take a chance" at pick #6 in their first draft here in Cleveland.

And your final comment- We are who we are because we punt coaches and FO executives more than American Idol. Not exactly a recipe for continuity or success.

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hey, he could take a fall like Bowers or he could get selected top10. impossible to know what teams are thinking about him without the team medical reports.

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I understand exactly what you and many others are thinking, BUT, when was the last time we took a chance on anything, that might be why we are who we are ... JMHO

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I understand exactly what you and many others are thinking, BUT, when was the last time we took a chance on anything, that might be why we are who we are ... JMHO

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We took a 29 year old QB from a rudimentary offense in the first round.

We took a WR who had been booted from two schools in the second round of the supplemental draft.

We traded up for a RB coming off knee surgery.

The year before we spent a second on a WR who converted from RB and hadn't played football for well over a year.

We take plenty of chances.

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Jarvis Jones Cleared For Practice Without Restrictions, Never Had Stenosis

Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones, a probable target for the Browns at No. 6 in the draft, has been cleared to practice without restrictions, and he has no stenosis, according to a memo obtained by Dan Pompei of the Chicago Tribune and the National Football Post.

In the memo sent to NFL teams, leading orthopedist Dr. Craig Brigham concluded that Jones really doesn't have a career-threatening case of stenosis, or narrowing of the spinal column, afterall.

Jarvis, who led the nation with 14.5 sacks in 2012, was diagnosed with stenosis after a neck injury at USC in 2009, and the Trojans prohibited him from playing for them again. He transferred to Georgia, where he became arguably the best pass-rusher in the country last season. In addition to the sacks, he led the NCAA with 24.5 tackles for a loss and seven forced fumbles.

Brigham said in the memo that Jones had suffered "either a very mild incident of spinal cord concussion or merely a stinger that has long since resolved." More importantly, he informed teams that even if he suffers a similar injury, it wouldn't necessarily be career-ending. After a recent exam, he wrote, "Jarvis is cleared to play without restriction.”

The report is so significant that Jones could be gone by the time the Browns pick at No. 6.

Jones, who skipped Combine workouts last month to focus on his Pro Day Mar. 21, recently told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution that teams were already comfortable with his medicals following Brigham's positive report at the Combine.

"People are still talking to me," he said. "Nobody has taken me off the board. The doctor said I was fine and cleared me and the [scouting] combine went fine for me. I was cleared medically. Teams know my situation. Everything went great. I did everything they asked me to do. I’ll have my pro day [at Georgia on March 21], and then I’m going to meet with a whole lot of teams.”

Jones said he felt the rumors that he had dropped out of the top 10 were all part of the pre-draft lying game.

"People were telling me teams do that because they want me to drop to them because they don’t have high picks,'' he said. "I can’t control none of that. I know what teams were telling and I know what doctors told me. So I just focus on what I can control, which is trying to be the best football player in America.”

The Browns are targeting top pass-rushers in free agency such as Baltimore linebacker Paul Kruger and Detroit defensive end Cliff Avril. But if they don't land one of them, they'll likely look hard at Jones at No. 6.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss...t_river_default

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I just find it odd that after three years since being diagnosed with it, it is just now being confirmed he never had it.

But whatever, I'm happy for the guy. If the report is accurate, he just moved rapidly up the draft board, thus claiming more guaranteed dollars.

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I just find it odd that after three years since being diagnosed with it, it is just now being confirmed he never had it.

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I just find it odd that after three years since being diagnosed with it, it is just now being confirmed he never had it.

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Why would that be odd?

USC said he had it and shut him down. No doctor would convince them otherwise, so he had no choice but to leave. He goes to Georgia where they say he doesn't have it. So he gets to play.

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Jones and his team would have been screaming to the mountain tops about it.

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I just find it odd that after three years since being diagnosed with it, it is just now being confirmed he never had it.

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Why would that be odd?

USC said he had it and shut him down. No doctor would convince them otherwise, so he had no choice but to leave. He goes to Georgia where they say he doesn't have it. So he gets to play.

The question becomes as follows: Why would he require any other doctor to verify what the Georgia doctor told him? He didn't need another doctor's blessings, just Georgia's, who had already given it to him.

So as I'd said before, there's going to be a doctor or two who still have reservations about him, but when it's all said and done he's going to be a mid-high 1st rounder.

Now, onto the idea that he won't be around when we pick. It's possible, but it's not impossible that he'll be around. I think there's a solid chance he'll be there when we pick, and as I've noted, there are two guys I really want, Jones or Milliner.

The Chiefs have a huge hole at CB and Milliner just cemented his spot as a top candidate. They also have needs on the defensive line and there are guys there as well. More importantly, the Chiefs already have two very potent OLB's for their 3-4. Justin Houston had 10 sacks last year, and Tamba Hali has 35.5 sacks over the last three years. Bottom line, they don't need Jones.

So what about the Eagles? It's assumed Kelly is going to switch to the 3-4 or some hybrid version of it. The Eagles just got through cutting several DT's, leaving holes there, and many talking heads have Sharrif Floyd at the top of the draft. He happens to be from Philly. They do have Brandon Graham and Trent Cole, who may or may not be able to play OLB. However, even if they do elect to go OLB in this draft, Kelly may be interested in bringing in his own player from Oregon, or could even elect to take Mingo or Ansah.

To me, Jones has a solid chance of being there at 6 when we pick. I think he has a greater chance of being there than Milliner does as of right now.

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Oh come on Toad,, if he's reportedly had Stenosis for all these years and suddenly, he doesn't, you wanna tell me that isn't odd.. Come on already.

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Oh come on Toad,, if he's reportedly had Stenosis for all these years and suddenly, he doesn't, you wanna tell me that isn't odd.. Come on already.

Something smells fishy to me

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Oh come on Toad,, if he's reportedly had Stenosis for all these years and suddenly, he doesn't, you wanna tell me that isn't odd.. Come on already.

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No fishy about it. What, did Jones's boys pay the Dr. off?

This is exactly what I was looking for all along. A WELL-KNOWN Dr. looking at Jones and actually DIAGNOSING him. Not some potential quack from USC.

Read up on Stenosis. It's never a simple diagnosis. There are multiple things that MUST be done to be accurate.

IF we like all 3 of Jones, Jordan and Ansah, I would NOT sign Kruger or Avril and be guaranteed we'd land one of those 3 at 6.

If we DO sign Avril or Kruger and land a Lewis at CB, it opens everything up for a move down. Our 2 most glaring needs will have been filled and the Pass Rusher or Milliner won't be a huge need anymore.

Man I want Ellerbe, Lewis and Glover Quin here.

Land those 3 and Jones and this D is ready. Add Toler on the cheap and it's top notch.

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Oh come on Toad,, if he's reportedly had Stenosis for all these years and suddenly, he doesn't, you wanna tell me that isn't odd.. Come on already.

Something smells fishy to me

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Why??

I am sure he had to pass physical exams to play at Georgia. They aren't going to stick a player out there with a known spinal issue.

I am sure that if we draft him, someone at The Clinic as looked at his charts and given a clean bill.

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I still prefer Ansah of the bunch. I was surprised to see Django back for Jones considering the apparent motor issues.

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I was surprised to see Django back for Jones considering the apparent motor issues.

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