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so it is pretty safe to say that Colt will be with us all season and they have no intentions of letting him go or cutting him.
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so it is pretty safe to say that Colt will be with us all season and they have no intentions of letting him go or cutting him.
I wondered the same thing? I would hope that this has no bearing on it, but maybe he's been told that he's staying? don't know.
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You figure Fujita and Watson would hand the role over to a vet that wasn't questionable about leaving the team, but then again, they could probably go back later and have someone else takeover the role if McCoy were to leave.
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so it is pretty safe to say that Colt will be with us all season and they have no intentions of letting him go or cutting him.
Why?
If he is released or traded by the Browns, then the team would just have to select a new union rep. I'm quite sure it's happened in the past. There are no guarantees attached to the position.
The Browns don't select him ...... the Browns players do.
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If he is released or traded by the Browns, then the team would just have to select a new union rep. I'm quite sure it's happened in the past. There are no guarantees attached to the position.
The Browns don't select him ...... the Browns players do.
so you think the browns players think he is going to be here?
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I think that being a union rep isn't exactly a heavily sought after job. The pay sucks and there is a lot of work involved. Usually an older vet, who has already made a lot of money, if the one to do the job for his team. However, we don't have a lot of older vets left on our team.
Our oldest players, without Cribbs, Parker, Watson, and Dawson, are who ......? Joe Thomas? (I think ... without looking it up) I can't think of too many players who are older than him.
Fujita is gone. So is Watson, Cribbs, Dawson, Parker, probably Ventrone, Alex Smith, Rucker, Sheldon Brown ......
Who else is left in that 6-7 year vet or above group? Not too many.
McCoy probably figured that he should step up and do the job for the team, because almost certainly few others even wanted to be considered for the position. It's a rather thankless position.
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True enough, but would they select a guy that is sure to be cut/traded in the next two or three months?
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The point remains that a player has to run for player rep. It's an elected position, and not every player wants to do the job.
It makes no difference if the guy is expected to be on the team or not if he is the only one who wants to run for the position.
Player reps do get cut. I remember recently an OL who was thought to still have life left in his career even though he was older, yet he was cut amid some degree of controversy. I can't remember his name, but it was only a couple of years ago.
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The point remains that a player has to run for player rep. It's an elected position, and not every player wants to do the job.
It makes no difference if the guy is expected to be on the team or not if he is the only one who wants to run for the position.
Player reps do get cut. I remember recently an OL who was thought to still have life left in his career even though he was older, yet he was cut amid some degree of controversy. I can't remember his name, but it was only a couple of years ago.
Was it Kevin Mawae the former Center of the Tennessee Titans?
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It makes no difference if the guy is expected to be on the team or not if he is the only one who wants to run for the position.
Player reps do get cut. I remember recently an OL who was thought to still have life left in his career even though he was older, yet he was cut amid some degree of controversy. I can't remember his name, but it was only a couple of years ago.
Was it Kevin Mawae the former Center of the Tennessee Titans?
Yep, that's the one.
It was speculated that he was cut because of his union activities, but nothing ever came of it that I can recall. I don't remember if he got picked up elsewhere either.
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I know player Reps never get cut...lol 
Actually I was thinking the opposite as in well there is the kiss of death for Colt. He's gone after this season... 
Deep down I do think the plan all along has been to draft Geno Smith...not my choice to a Butch GUT FEELING...or was that RAC???
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Actually I was thinking the opposite as in well there is the kiss of death for Colt. He's gone after this season...
Deep down I do think the plan all along has been to draft Geno Smith...not my choice to a Butch GUT FEELING...or was that RAC???
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I agree. I think his Pro Day now has the Browns worried.
If a new regime is going to fail, they want to fail with their own guys. FO, coaches, QB. Been saying this since Haslam bought the team. And you know what, if I were Banner / Lombardi, and I wasn't a big Weeden fan, I wouldn't act any different. I don't really blame them.
The only way Weeden is on this team and/or gets a shot at the starting QB position is if the Browns for some reason are not able to secure G.Smith, IMO. They will spin it that they really like Weeden, and they believe he can be successful in Norv's system and that was the plan all along.
Whatever. At this point, just deliver some wins. The AFC North has never been this wide open.
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I'm at that point where I don't think anything would surprise me much.
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I agree. I think his Pro Day now has the Browns worried.
If a new regime is going to fail, they want to fail with their own guys. FO, coaches, QB. Been saying this since Haslam bought the team. And you know what, if I were Banner / Lombardi, and I wasn't a big Weeden fan, I wouldn't act any different. I don't really blame them.
The only way Weeden is on this team and/or gets a shot at the starting QB position is if the Browns for some reason are not able to secure G.Smith, IMO. They will spin it that they really like Weeden, and they believe he can be successful in Norv's system and that was the plan all along.
Whatever. At this point, just deliver some wins. The AFC North has never been this wide open.
I like Weeden and if we do draft Geno Smith i still believe Weeden will be our starter opening day ... giving a much younger QB time to adjust to the NFL ... JMHO 
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I'm beginning to think the same thing.
If Geno Smith is there at 6, we'll hold the pick for a ransom, otherwise, we'll take him.
QB is essential to win in this league. He's a very good player. Definitely best QB in the draft IMO. I would like Tyler Wilson possibly as a 3rd round QB, but third round I'd take Geno before him, for sure
Supposedly he has very good intangibles too. And he transformed his game, when he started playing at WV I remember he used to run the ball a ton. Now he's more of a passer.
I don't really know if he's worth of a number 6 pick, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's the guy we take
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I'm beginning to think the same thing.
If Geno Smith is there at 6, we'll hold the pick for a ransom, otherwise, we'll take him.
QB is essential to win in this league. He's a very good player. Definitely best QB in the draft IMO. I would like Tyler Wilson possibly as a 3rd round QB, but third round I'd take Geno before him, for sure
Supposedly he has very good intangibles too. And he transformed his game, when he started playing at WV I remember he used to run the ball a ton. Now he's more of a passer.
I don't really know if he's worth of a number 6 pick, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's the guy we take
I wouldn't be shocked  if we take Smith but I would be shocked if Milliner and or Jones were there and they pick Smith ... JMHO 
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The Quarterback situation here is such an enigma at this point, I don't even really know what to think. The smart, common sense thing to do I think is to just give Weeden another chance to prove himself and grow. If we don't give him the shot it's yet another sure bet wasted 1st round draft pick.
On the other hand, I am a big fan of Colt McCoy and would love to see him get a completely fair shot at being our starting Quarterback again. I thought he gave us the better shot going into last season based on his experience and mobility. Weeden is lucky it wasn't a fair competition because McCoy clearly had the better preseason. McCoy looked really solid in 2010 when he had a good running game and a competent coaching staff helping him out, then in 2011 we had Forrest Gump calling the plays, and virtually no run game or receivers and obviously he regressed as most Quarterbacks would in that situation.
If we have to draft a Quarterback this season, I would be on board with selecting either Geno Smith or E.J. Manuel. I like the idea of getting a mobile Quarterback with a good arm, that would open up our offense drastically, and that seems to be the new trend going around these days. Newton, RG3, Wilson, Kaepernick (Spelling?), and Vick apparently. I however DO NOT want Geno Smith at #6, I want us to be able to trade down to get a 2nd round pick or more.
I'm on board to trade for Ryan Mallet, he played against better competition than Weeden in college, and he's been a backup on the Patriots behind Brady for the last two years where I'm sure he has absorbed a lot of knowledge and he is 3 years younger than Weeden.
I would say bring in Mallet, and hold a completely open Quarterback competition between all three guys (Weeden, McCoy and Mallet) and whoever wins, wins.
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Actually I was thinking the opposite as in well there is the kiss of death for Colt. He's gone after this season...
Deep down I do think the plan all along has been to draft Geno Smith...not my choice to a Butch GUT FEELING...or was that RAC???
I'm no expert, but I am not completely sold on Smith. Was not the same at the end of the season as he was earlier. Just my opinion.
If the powers that be think he is a franchise guy, then take him if he's there.
If they take him just for the sake of having their own QB and he happens to be the best one available, then that is a huge mistake.
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Still a long way off till the draft. My Gut feelings will change with supper...lol
But right now I think I'll prepare myself mentally so I won't be shocked Draft day n sit in a stuper for an hour or so. 
I too would have preferred Glennon in the 3rd although as QBs move up that would become a pipe dream. Or a Lalich in the 6th...as in why not he is no Marinovich...But a QB that we could possibly groom. Geno we might groom him for a season...two if Weeden plays lights out. The FA market does eliminate any Urgent Need. between Kruger, Sheard n Groves we got our OLBs eliminating Urgent Need. Still I would love for us to build n new attack 3-4 Defense around a special talent that could dominate.
Millner at CB the best in the draft. But there isn't much else to scream about. OTs n 3/4 DE just is not needed nor in the case of DE a position one would choose this early...similar to OG or TE.
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The Quarterback situation here is such an enigma at this point, I don't even really know what to think. The smart, common sense thing to do I think is to just give Weeden another chance to prove himself and grow. If we don't give him the shot it's yet another sure bet wasted 1st round draft pick.
On the other hand, I am a big fan of Colt McCoy and would love to see him get a completely fair shot at being our starting Quarterback again. I thought he gave us the better shot going into last season based on his experience and mobility. Weeden is lucky it wasn't a fair competition because McCoy clearly had the better preseason. McCoy looked really solid in 2010 when he had a good running game and a competent coaching staff helping him out, then in 2011 we had Forrest Gump calling the plays, and virtually no run game or receivers and obviously he regressed as most Quarterbacks would in that situation.
If we have to draft a Quarterback this season, I would be on board with selecting either Geno Smith or E.J. Manuel. I like the idea of getting a mobile Quarterback with a good arm, that would open up our offense drastically, and that seems to be the new trend going around these days. Newton, RG3, Wilson, Kaepernick (Spelling?), and Vick apparently. I however DO NOT want Geno Smith at #6, I want us to be able to trade down to get a 2nd round pick or more.
I'm on board to trade for Ryan Mallet, he played against better competition than Weeden in college, and he's been a backup on the Patriots behind Brady for the last two years where I'm sure he has absorbed a lot of knowledge and he is 3 years younger than Weeden.
I would say bring in Mallet, and hold a completely open Quarterback competition between all three guys (Weeden, McCoy and Mallet) and whoever wins, wins.
If we tank this season, then we try and get Tajh Boyd next season.
I like McCoy but don't thik he fits this new Offense, No too Mallet, Smith could be our pick, and I think EJ Manuel is the wild card and I like Him ... JMHO 
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How much of him have you been able to see? Do you think he has the skills to one day be a franchise QB?
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I view him as a project - he is just too inconsistent right now. Has the tools can make every thrown accurately...stands tall in the pocket to see the field in check downs. Is not clumsy. Just he disappears in some games. When he is on he looks like a franchise QB. 3rd round no pressure n can be developed.
But he'll probably end up in the first or early 2nd. All Depends when Geno gets taken...he drops, so do all the other QBs. From what I hear the kid from Syracuse has jumped ahead of him. I happen to like him as a prospect to develop - worth the while. Anyone who likes Mallet - this kid might be better.
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Just like Colt, right? Or Charlie?
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That was my thought as well. You KNOW that if a 3rd round project is selected and doesn't pan out it will be spun into any FO who is here missed on a franchise QB selection! I just wonder if it will be the same cast of characters saying it or if their view will now be different? 
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That was my thought as well.
You KNOW that if a 3rd round project is selected and doesn't pan out it will be spun into any FO who is here missed on a franchise QB selection!
I just wonder if it will be the same cast of characters saying it or if their view will now be different?
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The reason those guys never get a chance to sit and develop is because our starters either A) stink or B) get hurt. Quinn actually did get ime to sit, but he ended up stinking as well.
If Delhomme was good and never got injured (same with Seneca Wallace), Colt McCoy would have never seen the field.
Maybe the problem has been counting on crappy starters (Dilfer/Delhomme).
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Pun intended?
Too many people thought he was doing a good job, but as I'd stated during the season, the further away we get from Holmgren, the more people are going to realize just how poor of a job he actually did.
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Pun intended?
Too many people thought he was doing a good job, but as I'd stated during the season, the further away we get from Holmgren, the more people are going to realize just how poor of a job he actually did.
Amazing head coach, equally bad as an Executive.
I was heavy on the Holmgren bandwagon. I will be the first to admit. But word for word as you said, the more we get away the more we can realize how crappy the fat Walrus really was here. I just figured all the experience would be nothing but a positive, but it really wasn't.
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I view him as a project - he is just too inconsistent right now. Has the tools can make every thrown accurately...stands tall in the pocket to see the field in check downs. Is not clumsy. Just he disappears in some games. When he is on he looks like a franchise QB. 3rd round no pressure n can be developed.
But he'll probably end up in the first or early 2nd. All Depends when Geno gets taken...he drops, so do all the other QBs. From what I hear the kid from Syracuse has jumped ahead of him. I happen to like him as a prospect to develop - worth the while. Anyone who likes Mallet - this kid might be better.
JMHO
I like Glennon too, but lacking the 2nd rounder that we would otherwise have puts a bit of a damper on really getting him unless you take him at #6. That isn't going to happen.
If we could somehow manage to get that 2nd rounder and he was still on the board at that pick, I would not be upset at all.
The crop of receivers that Glennon had to work with make Massaquoi and Robiskie look like All-Pros and he still threw for 4000 yards.
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Browns have shown interest:
"ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported Monday that the Arizona Cardinals, Buffalo Bills, Chicago Bears, Cincinnati Bengals, Cleveland Browns , Indianapolis Colts, New Orleans Saints, New York Giants, San Francisco 49ers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers all have shown early interest in Hasselbeck. The Cardinals and Bills are the only two without a named starting quarterback."
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Jeff who? Just because it's in print, that doesn't give it instant credibility. It's one man's opinion, nothing more.
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers...Socrates
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Jeff Schudel has been covering the Browns for quite a while. He isn't someone who just popped up on the scene.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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