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Deep down I do think the plan all along has been to draft Geno Smith...not my choice to a Butch GUT FEELING...or was that RAC???
I'm beginning to think the same thing.
If Geno Smith is there at 6, we'll hold the pick for a ransom, otherwise, we'll take him.
QB is essential to win in this league. He's a very good player. Definitely best QB in the draft IMO. I would like Tyler Wilson possibly as a 3rd round QB, but third round I'd take Geno before him, for sure
Supposedly he has very good intangibles too. And he transformed his game, when he started playing at WV I remember he used to run the ball a ton. Now he's more of a passer.
I don't really know if he's worth of a number 6 pick, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if he's the guy we take
I wouldn't be shocked  if we take Smith but I would be shocked if Milliner and or Jones were there and they pick Smith ... JMHO 
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http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/03/geno_smith_will_have_private_w.html
Its beginning to look alot like Geno in everything I hear ... or it is a Gigantic smoke screen ... 
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Read the article...pretty much my impression was a gutless Bozo who when somebodies back is turned n far away Slam's him.
He is correct about one thing. Ron Wolf's book on building an organization...specifically an NFL Team. Holmgren pretty much stayed on path from the steps spelled out.
Except for one Key Chapter. To get a winner you have to hire TWO Super Stars.
1. Head Coach...my shoulders dropped when Shurmur was hired...yeah, it was the talent surrounding him that brought Shurmur down. 
2. Quarterback...not completely in Holmgrens Fault. Delhomme - sorry, he seemed healed n ready to go very sharp n then Poof first game first half a bad high ankle sprain to pretty much ruin our season n hopes but Delhomme obviously was a Band-aid.
Colt...was not taken to start right away just a developmental prospect that wasn't even getting reps with Starters until - boom boom start n backup got injured.
Weeden...maybe Lombardi was correct? A desperate move? But heck we offered 3 first round draft picks to move up 2 slots n take the 2nd QB in the 2012 draft...Those who state we suck cause all we had to do was add a 2nd rounder don't get it. Fischer n Shanahan were close buds it was to be two one time offers n highest bidder gets the pick...Not a coincidence Shanahan offers just a tad more than us yeah nice to bid when you know what the other guys are bidding 
Weeden terrible fit to their O...it was obvious to me in 2011 we should have gotten Hasselback to mentor Colt n start instead of Colt. But I thought the Playbook sucked n Shurmur sucked.
But this Bozo was correct - 2 key things necessary to build a winner. Super Star HC n QB...HC was in his hands n just didn't see it. QB in all honesty I think he tried just no opportunity.
If this guy was stating all this While Holmgren was here - like some posters who didn't like him did on the boards...then ok I can understand it. But to cowardly wait till he leaves n Bash him??? Not impressed at all n the insight wasn't even that strong. He did get a Super Star GM...who left this NEW REGIME a very talented foundation of youth n like MEGA FA Cap ROOM $$$ to add to the foundation!
Not all bad. JMHO 2 major building blocks were not met n I do blame Holmgren for that. Not too much on QB cause I saw the attempt.
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I think we are being set up for a Brandon Weeden/Colt McCoy QB battle. Quote:
It’s a process, this effort by the Browns to bring in competition at the quarterback position. And that effort has taken on a new phrase.
Instead of adding competition for Brandon Weeden, the Browns now intend to “create competition” at the position.
Is there a difference?
“I see it as creating competition,” coach Rob Chudzinski said at a breakfast meeting with reporters on Tuesday. “That can be from a number of different places. We have some guys that are there. We’re gonna coach them all, coach them hard. We’re gonna give them all opportunities to show what they can do.
“So I think there’ll be competition from within the room. And then, the other part of it is, of the great players I’ve been fortunate to be around, competition comes from within, too. I think as coaches we have to bring that out in our guys. Being around Norv (Turner) and seeing him working with quarterbacks – and my style is similar to Norv’s in that way – he’s been able to do that and I have no doubt he’ll be able to bring that out in our guys”
So Colt McCoy and Thaddeus Lewis officially are part of the “competition” the Browns have talked about since before the 2012 season ended? Do McCoy and Lewis have adequate enough arm strength for Chudzinski’s vertical passing offense?
“They do. They do,” he said. “And different guys bring different abilities, different talents, things that they can do uniquely. So that’s the good thing about when you have a system that’s all-encompassing. You may use 50 percent of your system for a certain guy, may use a different 50 percent or 40 percent for somebody else, 60 percent for this guy. You make adjustments for the guys you have and what they can do the best. That’s just something I believe in – putting your guys, regardless of position, in the best position to help you win.”
But he’s not ruling out still bringing in another quarterback.
“I’m not ruling out at any position anything,” Chudzinski said.
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Also, Banner has said he doesn't see the trading of any draft picks (Mallett) or the drafting of any QB high (Geno Smith). The free agent QBs available (Campbell, Kolb) are underwhelming and we pretty much know what they are. It's hard to create competition when Jason Campbell is involved and we know what his ceiling is and he is competing against an unknown like Weeden. In that case even if Weeden is behind you still want to give him a shot because he has "potential."
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Two things that stood out to me after reading an interview with Chud: Quote:
On if McCoy and Lewis have the arm strength to do what Chudzinski wants them to do in his offense: “They do. And different guys bring different abilities and different talents that they can do uniquely. That’s the good thing about when you have a system that’s all encompassing. You may use fifty percent of your system for a certain guy. You may use a different fifty percent or forty percent for somebody else, and sixty percent for this guy. You make adjustments to the guys you have and what they can do the best. Regardless of position, you want to put guys that you have in the best position to help you win.”
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1. It has been said by many on numerous occasions that McCoy does not have the arm strength to play in Chud and Turner's offense. Chud says that he does. He also could be lying. Like I said in an earlier post, I think we are being set up for a Weeden/McCoy QB battle. It should have happened last year and never did.
2. "You make adjustments to the guys you have and what they can do the best." What a concept! You mean the QB who has only played in the shotgun shouldn't take more snaps from under center than almost every QB in the league?
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What is he supposed to say to that question? As long as a guy is on the roster, he is going to say that he is capable of doing whatever job his position calls for him to do. It makes no sense for the head coach to say that a guy on his roster has no chance. If he does, they might as well cut him yesterday. If you ask him if Eric Hagg and Tashaun Gipson are capable of being starters for this team, he'll probably say something like "Each guy has strengths and weaknesses, and how each guy develops his skills will determine who might be able to make that jump." You just never know what situations will occur. Suppose that Chud said that McCoy can't run his offense, and doesn't have the arm to do so ...... and then we draft another QB ...... but both that QB and Weeden are hurt in pre-season, leaving us with McCoy. Is the rest of the team going to have any trust in him if the head coach had said that he didn't believe that he culd do the job at all? About the only guy who Chud might not be able to spin is Marecic. 
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What is he supposed to say to that question?
That would be something.
"Coach, does McCoy have the arm strength to be effective in your offense?"
"Pffft. Are you kidding me? Have you seen him play? No way, not even close."
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I think we are being set up for a Weeden/McCoy QB battle. It should have happened last year and never did.
I hope you're right, and I hope both of them are capable of running this new offense to perfection. Constantly seeing a Browns QB fail with a crap offense and a crap system in place, and at the end of the season fans, and the media screaming for a new QB to start the following season has gotten old. If they get their shot this year, and can't prove that they belong, fine cut em loose.
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Unless McCoy learns how to throw an accurate deep ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
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Unless McCoy learns how to throw an accurate deep ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
Unless weeden learns how to throw an accurate ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
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Unless McCoy learns how to throw an accurate deep ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
Unless weeden learns how to throw an accurate ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
I guess we'll see who's right in a few months.
I think you know who's more likely to be right, though. 
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Unless McCoy learns how to throw an accurate deep ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
Unless weeden learns how to throw an accurate ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
I guess we'll see who's right in a few months.
I think you know who's more likely to be right, though.
Both QBs have much to improve before any of them truly "earn" the starting role or be called a "starting QB" in the NFL. MUCH to improve, and outside the realm of accuracy too.
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Unless McCoy learns how to throw an accurate deep ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
Unless weeden learns how to throw an accurate ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
I guess we'll see who's right in a few months.
I think you know who's more likely to be right, though.
Both QBs have much to improve before any of them truly "earn" the starting role or be called a "starting QB" in the NFL. MUCH to improve, and outside the realm of accuracy too.
Yeah, that's true.
I'm pretty confident that Weeden will be the starter this upcoming season (for a long list of reasons), but I agree that he hasn't exactly "earned" it.
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Will get into that statement later - got to run.
But my favorite formation - have made around 40 plays with it...since this play.
My favorite deep pass from Colt all be it just 20 yards.
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I'm pretty confident that Weeden will be the starter this upcoming season (for a long list of reasons), but I agree that he hasn't exactly "earned" it.
Right there folks, is all that we need to know!
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Unless McCoy learns how to throw an accurate deep ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
Unless weeden learns how to throw an accurate ball, he's not going to sniff the starting job.
I guess we'll see who's right in a few months.
I think you know who's more likely to be right, though.
Both QBs have much to improve before any of them truly "earn" the starting role or be called a "starting QB" in the NFL. MUCH to improve, and outside the realm of accuracy too.
Yeah, that's true.
I'm pretty confident that Weeden will be the starter this upcoming season (for a long list of reasons), but I agree that he hasn't exactly "earned" it.
maybe. i would say a 70/30% chance. i love big strong arm QBs. saying that though weeden has more ? than answers. work ethic has come up.accurate has come up, and the age. just do not see him as a shoe in. jmo
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maybe. i would say a 70/30% chance. i love big strong arm QBs. saying that though weeden has more ? than answers. work ethic has come up.accurate has come up, and the age. just do not see him as a shoe in. jmo
Weeden's going to be the starter because there's no QB in the draft worth wasting another pick on, and because McCoy's lack of deep ball accuracy is just not going to fly in Norv's offense.
We don't know if Weeden can succeed in Norv's offense. There's a lot of factors that'll determine whether he'll be successful or not — one of which is whether or not he can throw an accurate deep ball.
But one thing we do know is that McCoy has struggled with his deep ball for his entire football-playing career. This indicates that he has about a 0% chance of succeeding in Norv's offense, unless he magically improves it. Because it's practically impossible to succeed in Norv's scheme without an accurate deep ball.
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maybe. i would say a 70/30% chance. i love big strong arm QBs. saying that though weeden has more ? than answers. work ethic has come up.accurate has come up, and the age. just do not see him as a shoe in. jmo
Weeden's going to be the starter because there's no QB in the draft worth wasting another pick on, and because McCoy's lack of deep ball accuracy is just not going to fly in Norv's offense.
We don't know if Weeden can succeed in Norv's offense. There's a lot of factors that'll determine whether he'll be successful or not — one of which is whether or not he can throw an accurate deep ball.
But one thing we do know is that McCoy has struggled with his deep ball for his entire football-playing career. This indicates that he has about a 0% chance of succeeding in Norv's offense, unless he magically improves it. Because it's practically impossible to succeed in Norv's scheme without an accurate deep ball.
just got to ask. where did you see the deep ball accuracy or short ball accuracy with weeden? im not a colt fan. i like big strong arm QBs.
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maybe. i would say a 70/30% chance. i love big strong arm QBs. saying that though weeden has more ? than answers. work ethic has come up.accurate has come up, and the age. just do not see him as a shoe in. jmo
Weeden's going to be the starter because there's no QB in the draft worth wasting another pick on, and because McCoy's lack of deep ball accuracy is just not going to fly in Norv's offense.
We don't know if Weeden can succeed in Norv's offense. There's a lot of factors that'll determine whether he'll be successful or not — one of which is whether or not he can throw an accurate deep ball.
But one thing we do know is that McCoy has struggled with his deep ball for his entire football-playing career. This indicates that he has about a 0% chance of succeeding in Norv's offense, unless he magically improves it. Because it's practically impossible to succeed in Norv's scheme without an accurate deep ball.
just got to ask. where did you see the deep ball accuracy or short ball accuracy with weeden? im not a colt fan. i like big strong arm QBs.
That's the thing — there's not much evidence that suggests that Weeden can throw the deep ball, either. There is this one article: http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2013/02/statistics_show_west_coast_was.html
A lot of scouts also praised his ability to throw downfield accurately.
Still, Weeden's ability to throw the deep ball is somewhat of a mystery. That's much better than Colt, though, who's inability to throw the deep ball has been well-documented since his college days.
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3:42 isn't colt FYI
the 2:02 one was.
there was proof (You Tube) Colt has the same velocity as Big Ben on deep throws.
Colt does throw a decent deep ball.
Weeden has thrown some as well
neither are perfect
colt throws (imo) a better short ball
Weeden has more potential (upside) but his window is about 6 weeks into the season. due to his age
I personally don't think either should be a starting QB in the NFL
I would like to see how Colt does in the new offense but I don't think it will translate into much more than a spot starter and a good backup
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Weeden has a very strong arm. One of the 10 strongest in the league, probably. But he missed deep receivers BADLY multiple times last season. His deep accuracy has to improve.
With the pickups of Kruger, Groves, and Bryant, I wouldn't be mad if we drafted Geno in the first or Bray in the third (if he's there, which I doubt.) Still need a corner, a FS, and some LB depth. There should be good CB availability in rounds 1-4 (this draft is totally stacked there IMO... probably 15 guys I would take as starters) and FS, LB are generally devalued. Especially ILBs. JMO.
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Weeden has a very strong arm. One of the 10 strongest in the league, probably. But he missed deep receivers BADLY multiple times last season. His deep accuracy has to improve.
I fear wading back into these waters, but going through all the game film of Weeden in college made it clear his deep accuracy was questionable. Once he got to the NFL, we saw how as time went on the throws became shorter and shorter, getting to the point where coaches and/or players indicated they had to pull back the offense to help Weeds.
It's unfair calling Weeds DA-lite, but they do share some unfavorable similarities. Some of those issues can't really be corrected. Either you are a naturally accurate thrower or you're not. Anderson never was going to be, and it's doubtful if Weeds ever will be, though it's too early to say for sure.
Going back to Smith and Bray, Smith made a TON of very-short throws which drove up his completion percentage numbers. Bray, on the other hand, has very questionable accuracy.
There are no quick-fixes in this draft at the QB position, just high-risk gambles and long-range developmental guys. Frankly, I wouldn't bother spending a 2nd or 3rd on a QB this year. If one of about 6 guys is around in the 5th or later, then I'd pull the trigger, but to me they are just a bunch of draft pick-eaters like Charlie Frye and Colt McCoy.
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and just as importantly, he didn't seem to understand when to throw those deep passes.
look at the Ravens SB run, Flacco only went deep when the WR had 1on1 coverage with little chance the S could make it to help in time. those are likely 40-40-10 balls (40% catch, 40% incomplete, 10% INT), but it's absolutely huge to generate some extra offense and open up the underneath if defenses try to take it away.
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Colt does throw a decent deep ball.
The problem is, with the lack of velocity, it takes 5 seconds to get there. That simply won't work in the NFL.
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Although a bit dated, still an interesting "sports science" video on our QBs:
http://www.youtube.com/v/DVnAFdRY_I4
http://www.youtube.com/v/fji2EeqkcZs
Weeden out-threw Travis Benjamin more than once. Who care what those videos mean/show/attempt to prove. When the clock is running on the gridiron, Weeden outhrows a guy with 4.3 speed and several steps above his nearest defender.
How do you bomb it pass someone with 4.3 speed is beyond me... but I assume the same reason he misses the same wide open flat/dump-off passes when people are wide open. Wide open, which isn't easy to achieve in the NFL.
I won't even comment about Colt. I will say, I would like to have seen Colt behind the type of protection Weeden's line provided for him. Schwartz was a big, much needed, boost to the right side of the line.
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The wide misses on the short stuff are worrisome with Weeden.
The deep ball? I'd rather see him overthrow a bomb than underthrow it. Very difficult to be accurate on a bomb, leave the margin of error on the incompletion side as opposed to the jump ball side. Especially with Benjamin. Its more timing than arm strength. If you can throw 40 mph, you can overthrow a cheetah or Lance Armstrong on a bike.
In week 1 Weeden underthrew it outside and Benjamin looked like he was fighting a Harlem GlobeTrotter for a rebound.
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The deep ball? I'd rather see him overthrow a bomb than underthrow it. Very difficult to be accurate on a bomb, leave the margin of error on the incompletion side as opposed to the jump ball side. Especially with Benjamin.
Uhh, I'd rather see him do what a Drew Breez, a Russel Wilson, a Tom Brady, a Phillip Rivers and etc etc, would do... and that is connect with their wide open targets. Overthrow and underthrow is both meaningless.
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Of course I'd rather see him connect, and that's essential to a vertical offense and cooling off these defensive fronts we face each week.
Overthrow/Underthrow meaningless? I guess if incompletion/interception is also meaningless.
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Of course I'd rather see him connect, and that's essential to a vertical offense and cooling off these defensive fronts we face each week.
Overthrow/Underthrow meaningless? I guess if incompletion/interception is also meaningless.
To an extent... is it too much to expect a guy that is getting paid millions of dollars, has great protection via his line, to do the one thing we are paying and expecting out of him to make wide open pass connections and good decisions? Most of Weeden's INTs had to be so gut wrenching for him, and the rest of the staff to watch on tape .
But in a world of just reality and no usage of stats, Weeden is a 
Then you get into his stats, and it's still pretty much a LOL!
Regardless of hwo you want to slice the pie, all the current QB's on this roster, IMO, has so much to improve before they are anyway near the caliber of a Tom Brady and company...
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Uhh, I'd rather see him do what a Drew Breez, a Russel Wilson, a Tom Brady, a Phillip Rivers and etc etc, would do... and that is connect with their wide open targets. Overthrow and underthrow is both meaningless.
Phillip Rivers has a noodle arm and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Russel Wilson is a smurf and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Tom Brady is old and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Breese is too old and too short and wouldn't last in Cleveland
The fans would tear all of these QB's apart
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The deep ball? I'd rather see him overthrow a bomb than underthrow it. Very difficult to be accurate on a bomb, leave the margin of error on the incompletion side as opposed to the jump ball side. Especially with Benjamin.
Uhh, I'd rather see him do what a Drew Breez, a Russel Wilson, a Tom Brady, a Phillip Rivers and etc etc, would do... and that is connect with their wide open targets. Overthrow and underthrow is both meaningless.
Phillip Rivers has a noodle arm and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Russel Wilson is a smurf and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Tom Brady is old and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Breese is too old and too short and wouldn't last in Cleveland
The fans would tear all of these QB's apart
Only if they play poorly. The fans loved DA when he was scoring TDs and running for 30 yards in overtime.
But seriously. We'd tear apart TOM BRADY and DREW BREES? Come on guy, lets be serious.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Russel Wilson a smurf? Well Weeden is an ogar then, and I am beyond so confident that I won't even go research but I can bet the money in the bank that Wilson probably doesn't even have half the balls batted down than Weeden.
Tom and Drew wouldn't last here? Why not, our line provides just as much pass coverage as theirs? Hmm you may be a bit extreme on your observations. Phillip Rivers does has a noodle arm it seems at times, but i'd trade both McCoy and Weeden for him. No questions asked.
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The deep ball? I'd rather see him overthrow a bomb than underthrow it. Very difficult to be accurate on a bomb, leave the margin of error on the incompletion side as opposed to the jump ball side. Especially with Benjamin.
Uhh, I'd rather see him do what a Drew Breez, a Russel Wilson, a Tom Brady, a Phillip Rivers and etc etc, would do... and that is connect with their wide open targets. Overthrow and underthrow is both meaningless.
Phillip Rivers has a noodle arm and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Russel Wilson is a smurf and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Tom Brady is old and wouldn't last in Cleveland
Breese is too old and too short and wouldn't last in Cleveland
The fans would tear all of these QB's apart
Only if they play poorly. The fans loved DA when he was scoring TDs and running for 30 yards in overtime.
But seriously. We'd tear apart TOM BRADY and DREW BREES? Come on guy, lets be serious.
yep... and the FO for signing them 1. if they had a bad game... 2. they are old and expensive. 3. Bress is short 4. Brady is old. 5. Brady wouldn't be good without BB. I'm just saying what the avg fan would say. (not me)
I wanted Peyton Manning last year and I felt like i was fighting against a swarm of bees with only a fly swatter.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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LOL I stirred up a nest this morning. I meant from the fan perspective.
Weeden I believe led the league in batted down passes so I wouldn't be surprised.
I'm only talking about what the average fan would say.
I would almost bet that Rivers and McCoy have the identical type of arm strength.
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I would almost bet that Rivers and McCoy have the identical type of arm strength.
Have you ever watched either of them throw?
Rivers may have a weird motion, but the guy can throw it.
McCoy can not.
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Weeden I believe led the league in batted down passes so I wouldn't be surprised.
Just guessing but he probably also led the league in 3 step drop passes...if you don't have the Pre-snap read n believe in it...1.8 seconds Rhythm method - you will get your pass blocked a lot! Also his lack of under center experience...Any one wishing to learn Google Walsh or Montana as they put out an amazing instructional tape on Dropping back among other things. Getting "DEPTH" on you explosion steps for 3 step (1 explosion) or 5 step (3 explosion) - If I remember DA was terrible n hardly got any depth on his 3 step drops even 5 n for a 6'6" or was it 5" QB he had a lot of passes blocked.
Some how I envision our new offense Almost NEVER going into the 3 step drop unless we audible into it as an all out blitz is coming n we got some HOT READS in place. But also why I thought our coaching n all this BS about Shurmur being a GOOD QB coach was just that. I saw a very inferior drop by Weeden n assessed he was poorly coached...Especially from a Rhythm offense from the WALSH Tree!
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You must either be thinking of Brady Quinn, or you are simply just hating, McCoy had a decent rookie season under Mangini/Daboll, and didn't do well under Shurmur/Childress (nor did Weeden). Think maybe the system and or coaching has something to do with it?
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You must either be thinking of Brady Quinn, or you are simply just hating, McCoy had a decent rookie season under Mangini/Daboll, and didn't do well under Shurmur/Childress (nor did Weeden). Think maybe the system and or coaching has something to do with it?
No. McCoy (like Quinn) has never, and will never have the velocity on a pass that a guy like River or Weeden does.
Can he throw a ball 40 yards downfield? Sure, but so can I, the difference is being able to get it there in a timely manner and not have to have your WR stop and wait for a jump ball.
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