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Ladies and gentlemen...Case McCoy has left the building...
Adios, Case! Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do.
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So, you can joke or laugh to your hearts content but the biggest joke of all was played on the Cleveland Browns, as we were robbed of a quality individual, a leader on anField the feild, an excellent role model for our children, a player that gave us 100% and someone that to me, was more important that some meaningless win we probably weren't going to get anyways. God bless you guys and I only hope that they can find more players like Colt McCoy that can attempt to try and fill the vast void that will be left in his absence.
Ladies and gentlemen...Case McCoy has left the building...
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Freeman for two first rounders?
No thanks. I'll pass. JMO.
Yeah, I tend to agree. Freeman's pretty much Jason Campbell five years ago.
Why do you say that? Because they are both black?
Campbell has never had a season close to the season Freeman had in 2010.
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I feel bad for laughing at someone, but that last paragraph is comical. So impassioned about such a ridiculous topic — it almost reads like an Onion article or something.
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I feel bad for laughing at someone, but that last paragraph is comical. So impassioned about such a ridiculous topic — it almost reads like an Onion article or something.
I feel like we have a THROW LONG copycat on our hands.
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Why do you say that? Because they are both black?
Campbell has never had a season close to the season Freeman had in 2010.
Knew I was going to get that.
Campbell and Freeman both have big arms, can't read defenses, are inconsistent, have similar career numbers, etc.
Only Freeman had better players around him last year than Campbell has ever had.
I'll admit that Freeman has more potential than Campbell based on being younger, but up to this point — same player.
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Jason Campbell was 25 years old his rookie season, Josh Freeman will be 25 for the entire 2013 season (his fifth in the NFL).
Freeman has shown what his ceiling is in 2010 (3,451 yards, 25 TDs, 6 (!) INTs, 61.4% completion, and a QB rating of 95.9 (he also had 364 rushing yards). Throwing only six interceptions in a sixteen game season doesn't exactly scream, "Can't read coverage."
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Freeman has been too inconsistent for my taste. He's been good then bad in alternating years since he came into the NFL.
And before anyone uses the "He's better than anything the Browns have had at QB" argument: that in itself isn't necessarily a strong case.
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So, you can joke or laugh to your hearts content but the biggest joke of all was played on the Cleveland Browns, as we were robbed of a quality individual, a leader on anField the feild, an excellent role model for our children, a player that gave us 100% and someone that to me, was more important that some meaningless win we probably weren't going to get anyways . God bless you guys and I only hope that they can find more players like Colt McCoy that can attempt to try and fill the vast void that will be left in his absence.
Ladies and gentlemen...Case McCoy has left the building...
very nice. i wonder if it's the same gent from early in the season?
anyways, of all the crazy things he said, at least he admitted that Colt wasn't going to help us win games.
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Jason Campbell was 25 years old his rookie season, Josh Freeman will be 25 for the entire 2013 season (his fifth in the NFL).
Freeman has shown what his ceiling is in 2010 (3,451 yards, 25 TDs, 6 (!) INTs, 61.4% completion, and a QB rating of 95.9 (he also had 364 rushing yards). Throwing only six interceptions in a sixteen game season doesn't exactly scream, "Can't read coverage."
You can focus on the specificity of my "five years ago" comment all you want (it was an overgeneralization), but you'd still be missing the most important point.
Jason Campbell and Josh Freeman are not far apart at all.
Both are QBs who have all the physical attributes in the world and lack both consistency and accuracy. This is reflected by their very similar career numbers.
Yes, Josh Freeman's best season was in 2010. Was it that great of a season? No.
He went to the Alex Smith school for QB rating inflation in 2010. The rules are: 1) dink and dunk as much as possible 2) throw very little interceptions as a result of rarely throwing the ball downfield and never taking risks
This is why QB rating can be so misleading at times. It rewards guys who play conservatively and never turn the ball over. Then fans think that these QBs with high QB ratings are helping their teams, when in reality, the downfall of their conservative play is mediocre-at-best production on offense (Tampa was 19th and 20th in yards and points scored in 2010, respectively).
Summary of the story: Give me the guy who can move the ball consistently and throws an interception once per game over the guy who ensures that my offense never moves above middle-of-the-pack. Even if my guy's QB rating is below that of the more conservative guy. (NOTE: Campbell is susceptible to the same overly conservative tendencies that Freeman has been at points in his career. Again, this is why I say they're so similar.)
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But I digress. The whole point of me posting about Freeman was to point out that he's very similar to Campbell. I stand by that assertion. Yes, Freeman has the higher ceiling, but it's not that much higher. Furthermore, they have similar career numbers, similar physical attributes, similar struggles with reading defenses (you can ask a Bucs fan if you don't believe me), similar struggles with being accurate, and similar struggles with playing consistently. Two in the same.
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I feel bad for laughing at someone, but that last paragraph is comical. So impassioned about such a ridiculous topic — it almost reads like an Onion article or something.
I feel like we have a THROW LONG copycat on our hands.
What's wrong with THROW LONG?
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He went to the Alex Smith school for QB rating inflation in 2010. The rules are: 1) dink and dunk as much as possible 2) throw very little interceptions as a result of rarely throwing the ball downfield and never taking risks
Freeman averaged 7.3 yards per attempt the tenth most yards per attempt in the league. He also was tenth in yards per completion at 11.9.
Last year Freeman averaged 7.3 yards per attempt (eleventh in the league) and 13.3 yards per completion (second best).
He throws downfield plenty.
At 25 years old you would expect, with good coaching, that a player would continue to improve. Getting a 25 year old QB who has had great success would be a great option.
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THROW LONG has a tendency to make crazy posts. It is unclear whether he is serious or not.
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Freeman averaged 7.3 yards per attempt the tenth most yards per attempt in the league. He also was tenth in yards per completion at 11.9.
Last year Freeman averaged 7.3 yards per attempt (eleventh in the league) and 13.3 yards per completion (second best).
He throws downfield plenty.
YPA is another stat that can be misleading. Alex Smith led the NFL in YPA for much of 2012 and was tied for 2nd in the NFL (with Manning and Newton, at 8 YPA) at the end of the season. But you didn't hear about him throwing downfield a lot, did you?
Also, we're not talking about last year. With the acquisition of Vincent Jackson, Freeman basically transformed his game from dinking and dunking to throwing low-percentage deep balls all game-long (Freeman's 25.6% of balls thrown past 15 yards was highest in the NFL). It's a big reason his INTs went up.
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At 25 years old you would expect, with good coaching, that a player would continue to improve. Getting a 25 year old QB who has had great success would be a great option.
In regards to the first bolded part: age doesn't matter in relation to QB play. Time spent in the league matters, but not age.
In regards to the second bolded part: that's quite the novel concept if you believe young QBs are destined to improve with every year in the league. Unfortunately, that concept hasn't applied to Freeman, who's been in decline for two years.
In regards to the third bolded part: lol at one decent season equaling "great success."
I'd rather have Freeman than Campbell, barely...
They're the same player right now.
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THROW LONG has a tendency to make crazy posts. It is unclear whether he is serious or not.
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I feel bad for laughing at someone, but that last paragraph is comical. So impassioned about such a ridiculous topic — it almost reads like an Onion article or something.
...is jokey and you may not agree with what I was saying, but I can assure that I was being semi-serious. PoeticG's viewpoint of McCoy is so extreme (especially in the paragraph I was referring to) that it borders on something that can be perceived as potentially satirical IMO. Sorry if you don't agree.
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Ladies and gentlemen...Case McCoy has left the building...
along with Colt
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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I was referring to the original poster when referencing THROW LONG. Not you.
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I am done arguing about Freeman because he is unavailable (I know I brought him up).
Just want to say that if Campbell and Freeman are the same QB then it is comical that you would only give a slight edge to Freeman. Even if Freeman doesn't improve he will be in the league much longer due to his youth, making him the choice by a mile.
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I am done arguing about Freeman because he is unavailable (I know I brought him up).
Just want to say that if Campbell and Freeman are the same QB then it is comical that you would only give a slight edge to Freeman. Even if Freeman doesn't improve he will be in the league much longer due to his youth, making him the choice by a mile.
How is it comical? They have similar physical attributes, but one has had slightly more success. Just because I think they're the same player right now doesn't mean that I wouldn't rather have the one who's had one decent year in the past.
I don't want Freeman or Campbell being my starting QB for an extended period of time, so their age is irrelevant in regards to me picking one.
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I was referring to the original poster when referencing THROW LONG. Not you.
If you were referencing PoeticG, then my apologies.
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His sister too? Oh, or just Colt? Best of luck to them both. Or just him. Let's win now. 
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
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