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I'm eating tons of crow... http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Manti-Teo-finally-gets-chance-to-focus-on-football-022513INDIANAPOLIS (AP) Manti Te'o's first appearance on a football field since the BCS championship game didn't go as well as planned Monday. NFL SCOUTING COMBINE Day 4 | Day 3 | Day 2 | Day 1 The Notre Dame star and Heisman Trophy runner-up was clocked at 4.82 seconds in the 40-yard dash. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock had said Sunday anything faster than 4.7 would be ''phenomenal.'' Anything 4.8 or over would be a ''concern.'' The workout came more than a month after Te'o's highly-publicized online romance with a girlfriend was exposed as a hoax and that he was a victim of the hoax. Since then, he's done a handful of 1-on-1 interviews and took questions Saturday in one of the craziest scenes in NFL scouting combine history. Reporters crowded around the podium, lining up eight deep to hear Te'o talk one more time about what happened. Some have wondered if the embarrassing story was a distraction leading into the national championship game, in which Te'o and his Notre Dame teammates played poorly in a blowout loss to Alabama. The linebacker said Saturday the hoax had no impact on that game. And he insists it has not affected his preparation for the combine, either. But instead of putting those concerns to rest with a good showing Monday, Te'o fell short of his goals again — and not just in the 40. Could NFL Draft stock plummet? Te'o participated in five of the seven drills, opting out of the bench press and 60-yard shuttle, and did not finish ranked among the top five at his position in any of them. His vertical jump was 33 inches, far below Southern Mississippi's Jamie Collins' positional best of 41 1/2. Te'o jumped 113 inches in the broad jump. He finished the three-cone drill in 7.13 seconds, well off the pace set by Missouri's Zaviar Gooden (6.71). Te'o completed the 20-yard shuttle in 4.27 seconds, again behind Gooden's 4.18. After the workouts, which were closed to the media, Te'o told NFL Network that he could have done better — and that he will at next month's Pro Day at Notre Dame. Scouts also have been curious to see how former LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu would perform in Indy after getting kicked off his college team last summer and took the entire season off. Mathieu didn't do well Monday, either. He did only four reps on the 225-pound bench press, tied with Appalachian State's Demetrius McCray for the lowest among all defensive backs. The defensive backs will complete their workouts Tuesday, the final day of the combine
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Yep ... we gotta get that guy ......  I never saw the infatuation with him. Hopefully this knocks him off out radar forever.
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Every talent evaluator at the Combine should have a card that they pull out and read after a player shines or sucks in some drill ... "But can he play football?".
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Yes,he can play football.
All of us on the outside will look at his time and believe his stock just took a hit.
The reality is,this wasn't his 1st timed 40.He's run a bunch of them,and the scouts,coaches,GM's allready knew he was slow.
He may have scarred a team or two off,but he's pretty much going to be drafted pretty much where he was going to be drafted.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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Not worried about this as much as I am worried about what I saw in the Alabama game, where he was maybe the 3rd best linebacker on the field that night.
He looked slow, and he looked easy to push around. Not a good mix when you're trying to get to the NFL.
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The Notre Dame star and Heisman Trophy runner-up was clocked at 4.82 seconds in the 40-yard dash. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock had said Sunday anything faster than 4.7 would be ''phenomenal.'' Anything 4.8 or over would be a ''concern.''
Come on. I mean... come on. I don't know if Te'o will succeed, but this is dumb. He's an inside linebacker. Lots of guys ran 4.7-4.8.
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Obviously the talent evaluators know this. It's goofballs like us that see 40 times, bench rep numbers and cone drills and like to sound smart saying, "that don't mean jack, look at the tape, can he play when it counts?"
The combine is one of many factors that decision makers use to determine draft grades or their big board. If you're looking for a WR, you want to know their 40 times. It may help you decide between two guys that could be near where you're drafting. And maybe their bench numbers mean nothing on the field, but it shows dedication in the weight room.
I'm sure some scout or GM will fall for a workout warrior at the combine, but most use combine results as they should be...just one more data point in a very big database for each player.
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Come on. I mean... come on. I don't know if Te'o will succeed, but this is dumb. He's an inside linebacker. Lots of guys ran 4.7-4.8.
If anyone cares what Bill Polian thinks, he said this makes him think he's not a 3-Down linebacker in the pros.
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I don't believe I said the drills should be discounted, but in many cases scouts have watched these guys play for 2-3 years, and the gameday eyeball test should trump - by a lot - a track-and-field event.
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Come on. I mean... come on. I don't know if Te'o will succeed, but this is dumb. He's an inside linebacker. Lots of guys ran 4.7-4.8.
If anyone cares what Bill Polian thinks, he said this makes him think he's not a 3-Down linebacker in the pros.
Bill Polian's always had great linebackers.  
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Kid is pretty agile.
I think of Dat Nguyen who played for Dallas years ago. Little dude was an on field buzz saw!
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There aren't very many true three down linebackers in the NFL anyway.
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Te'o is a 2nd or 3rd round talent. Andra Davis skillset.
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Yep ... we gotta get that guy ......
I never saw the infatuation with him. Hopefully this knocks him off out radar forever.
Bruce Drennan had a man-crush on him before the National Championship game. Now, it's comig out that Te'o could be gay. What's that say about Bruce Drennan?
For the record, I think that Bruce Drennan is an idiot.
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I don't really care if he's gay or straight, so long as he can play football.
I am just really unimpressed with the way he plays football. he looks slow on the field to me, and does not make as many impact plays as a player receiving such hype should.
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I don't really care if he's gay or straight, so long as he can play football.
I am just really unimpressed with the way he plays football. he looks slow on the field to me, and does not make as many impact plays as a player receiving such hype should.
You may not care. Personally, I don't care. GM's apparently do. Bruce Drennan was on TV having a bromance with him though. Bruce's wife should be concerned though.
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Wasn't he already grilled on the gay thing by Katie Couric?
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Doesn't fit the middle of a 3-4, he's slow and can't shed blocks. Showed up light to do the drills and then blew it. Couldn't lift because of a "stinger". Dupe, foil, stooge, mark & rube if not an outright liar. No thank you very much. 
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He is neither a big guy that is fast nor a little guy that can hit.
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He is neither a big guy that is fast nor a little guy that can hit.
Rumor has it that he may be a big guy that hits on little guys.
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Rumor has it that he may be a big guy that hits on little guys.
UnPC.. but still pretty darn funny.
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I don't really care if he's gay or straight, so long as he can play football.
Yes, most individuals don't care.. but if you are a GM or coach that has to think about the team chemistry in his locker room, they will care. Most GMs are not going to want to risk that kind of turmoil in the locker room to rush into uncharted territory.... 95% of the team probably wouldn't care, but it only takes a few that do to make it a problem.
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I don't really care if he's gay or straight, so long as he can play football.
Yes, most individuals don't care.. but if you are a GM or coach that has to think about the team chemistry in his locker room, they will care. Most GMs are not going to want to risk that kind of turmoil in the locker room to rush into uncharted territory.... 95% of the team probably wouldn't care, but it only takes a few that do to make it a problem.
Yeah, that's true.
I would think that it would be extremely difficult for a gay man to walk into an NFL locker room for the first year or so ...... but if he played like Ray Lewis, for example, I bet that year 2 would be significantly quieter regarding the subject.
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And that is probably what it is going to take. It's going to take somebody so talented that they can't be ignored, discounted, or easily replaced to announce that they are gay.. and it probably won't be somebody coming into the NFL, it will probably be somebody who is already established..
Somebody that can say, "I've been to pro-bowls, I've been in the locker room with these guys for years, I've proven myself on the field, I've never been a distraction... now how does the fact that I'm gay change any of that?"
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I dont know where the gay thing comes from. Hell it wasnt like he was cybering a chick pretending to be a dude. He thought he was talking to a chick. Hell coach B should be really ashamed to mess with a kid like that.
it is like people asking him why he didnt admit to the mistake. Umm hello, if i had been having phone sex with a dude pretending to be a chick, I damn sure wouldnt admit to it. BTW I guarandamntee that many of the kids critics are the same ones going to Vegas looking for a dude in a dress.
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I think it comes from an assumption, because he chose to have this "online" relationship instead of just picking pretty much any girl he wanted on campus. ND is not a big school but I would imagine someone of his popularity would have no problem finding a legimate, in the flesh, girlriend.
I don't believe it to be the case, because if he was doing this to put on some kind of front, because he was somehow ashamed or trying to hide it, the last thing you would want is to bring that kind of attention to yourself.
I still believe he had something to do with it. I just can't fathom him being duped by someone committed enough to talk to this guy for hours every night, for a good 5 or 6 months straight. Not buying it.
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Teo is a shy kid and he is the exact type that makes himself vulnerable to peple that are desperate for attention. Shy and trusting is a perfect combination to be taken advantage of. Hell it is the same type these pedophiles target online.
Just because a kid plays football doesnt mean that he is a party animal with a Type A personality.
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Yes, most individuals don't care.. but if you are a GM or coach that has to think about the team chemistry in his locker room, they will care. Most GMs are not going to want to risk that kind of turmoil in the locker room to rush into uncharted territory.... 95% of the team probably wouldn't care, but it only takes a few that do to make it a problem.
And don't forget about the Tebow factor within the media. Just by Tim being on a team means EVERY player starts a media interview being asked "Tim questions", every coach is asked about Tim's role in the upcoming game, the GM has to constantly discuss why he brought Tim in and where he is on the depth chart at all times. It never ends (well, until he's cut or traded).
A gay player will have to fight through some barriors in the locker room for just being what he is (which I'm sure it's already happened dozens of times in the NFL*). But then you have the additional pressure by the media, assuming the player would come out. And then it becomes Story 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 of every game and play for that team for the whole season. No owner, GM, coach or team wants that kind of attention. The NFL is hard enough as is.
*I seem to remember some anonymous players admitting to already knowing gay players in the NFL (past & present). And that some or most on the team knew. And furthermore, they promised to not say anything to the media to protect the players privacy and guard against an absolute media circus.
My brother-in-law played for a Div 2 or 3 college football team and he knew 2-3 guys on the team that were gay. He said most of the team knew and didn't care. Maybe some cared a lot, but they were the minority. I think the locker rooms are ahead of the media in terms of dealing with a gay player...like I said above, it's the media circus that will take a minor issue and make it a national story for 6+ months.
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I thought Te'o would do better. Man he seemed unathletic running that 40. He got up to speed ok but there simply was no second gear. The guy topped out at 10 yards. There were plenty of guys that burned all the way through the 40.
I really don't think he goes in the first round at all now no matter how hard the media tries to tell you that he will.
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I really don't think he goes in the first round at all now no matter how hard the media tries to tell you that he will.
Haven't you heard? He gave good interview. 
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He is for sure not a 1st rounder now. Media circus. Bad game against Bama. 4.8 in the 40. Thats awful. I looked on NFL.com and at least 15 LBs were faster and 12 DEs. The 40 is not super important but it is for a guy that plays special teams. Te'o is gonna be bust for sure.
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He really reminds me of Brandon Spikes.. he'll be a solid player for some team in the league. Won't be us though.
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