DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns interested in Trent Green

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we will never know,, will we,,

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Everybody who is drooling all over themselves should step back and really LOOK at what he would bring to the table. Green is 37 years old, he is not somebody who would still be around when the Browns could be ready to really make a challenge to go deep in the playoffs. Could he be a mentor to Charlie.... sure, but not at 7 and 8 million a year PLUS draft picks.

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Apparently that part ain't goin' through Phil's mind.......

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According to a lot of people on here they consider Charlie Frye a fumbler.

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There is no perfect vet QB the Browns can get a sniff at..

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But your mind is int he right spot. We do need a vetean QB on this team. AT LEAST to be a backup and teach, and show how to be a pro. Trent Green Embodies that of a por, he sat back while Kurt Warner won a superbowl behind Pace. He said nothing, went to KC and flourished.

I just think it will cost too much to get him. I wanted to try and get Brad Johnson for the cheap, but Gruden is a QB whore.

Either way, if we DRAFT a QB, or if Charlies stays, trent Green makes sense......for a 4th rounder.

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So in summary, we WOULDN'T pay him big bucks unless he earned it through incentives: CHECK



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That sounds dandy! But uh,how many "reasonable deals" for QB's have you seen when more than one team shows interest in a starting veteran QB? You make it sound like we're the only one in the market for Green and we can just name our price. Not so lilly pad hopper! Uncheck.

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He's allready agreed on parameters BELOW what he was scheduled to earn, as he and the Dolphins have agreed upon a deal.

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to figure out that he's accepting LESS money as opposed to more Furthermore, if we were "just naming our price" we'd be talking about veteran minimum.

So I think a contract in the $2-$3 million range plus incentives is about right for a soon-to-be 37 year old QB. He surely won't get $7 mil a year and surely won't get $1 mil a year.

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He didn't start his first game until he was 28, so while he's going to be 37, there's been no dropoff in his game because he hasn't taken punishment for 15 seasons: CHECK



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So you're saying your bones are less brittle,your reaction times are the same,and you're just as likely NOT to get injurred at 37 years old as you are at 25 years old because you weren't a starter untill you were 28? Uncheck

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No, YOU'RE saying that......or trying to put those words into my mouth, as it were.

What I'm saying is that he doesn't have the same wear on his body that a QB does who's been starting since he was 23.

Now, are his reactions down? I say Hell no. His game against us proves it, as does the previous five seasons. To suggest his reactions have slowed down without a bit of proof, or as is the case, to suggest they've slowed down after an 8-week layoff is just as bad as selling him as something he's not. You're indicting without proof.

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Have you ever seen doctors reccomendations for further physical activities and head trauma,and why that is once you've had a "big one"? You might wish to take a glance at that before you go any further along these lines. Uncheck.

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I don't need to. All I need to know is that the doctors cleared him to play, and when he played us, he SMOKED us. Then when he played against real defenses (sic) he took a pounding but showed no ill effects.

He's good to go and nobody can prove otherwise.

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I don't disagree with you there. The question is,is this an upgrade or a high stakes gamble?

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At worst, an upgrade over Anderson? Hell, Kosar could come back and be an upgrade over Anderson.

What are these "high stakes" you're talking about? $2-$3 million per year when we're $20 million under the cap? At worst he doesn't beat out Frye and becomes a veteran backup that EVERY team needs. With an incentive laden deal..........the kind of deal he's most likely to get............he becomes a LOW-RISK guy who's only real cost is a 2nd day pick, a pick that far more often than not turns into nothing.

Now Savage is playing this low-key. It makes no sense to get hot on the heels for a guy who really wants to play somewhere else. However, outside of David Carr, there aren't any other QB's out there than do this team any real good.

People can be afraid of Green because of his age, his concussion, and his salary, but unlike most guys in the league who are 37, who've had a concussion, and who are scheduled to be paid what he is, Green ISN'T as old as his age, ISN'T suffering from any ill effects of a concussion that's been dismissed by doctors, and ISN'T going to earn nearly what he's scheduled to make. THAT makes him a viable option, which is why Savage is showing interest. God bless his soul I still think Green is a pipe dream, but at least Savage isn't stOOpid enough to stand pat with Frye and Anderson.

Rich Gannon is another "old guy" that didn't really put in much work until late in his career. He went on to join the Raiders in '99 while in his mid-30's, and went to Several pro-bowls. He had plenty in his tank well near 40. To suggest Green can't do it without any tangible proof is fearing the unknown to me.

He won't earn that salary, he's been cleared to play by the doc's, and has shown no decrease in ability. As long as everyone knows that he's a short-term fix going in (who wouldn't be smart enough to know that?) the only REAL concern is paying a 4th or 5th rounder for him.

Now here's why the odds of us landing him are long.......

The only real shot the Chiefs have of getting something for him is if they strike a deal with the one place where he really wants to play. That's Miami. If he REALLY digs in his heels, the Chiefs have no choice but to cut him or pay him $7 mil a year. They won't do that. So while they can talk to us and other teams, the only thing that makes sense for them is to get a deal done with the Fish. If that doesn't work and they cut him, they get squat.

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Figures you would quote the post selectively comment on it and ignore another important part of the sentance.

a player who might be able to help us

Looks like Toad isn't the only one who thinks he could help us.

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There are hundreds of players who could "help us" it doesn't mean we are going to run out and sign them, or trade for them all.

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If Trent Green comes here I believe he is going to be the starter. Especially if we draft Brady Quinn. I seriously doubt Savage and co. beleives that Frye or Anderson are franchise qbs.

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Remember one thing Daman, YOU AND I BOTH didn't support us chasing Brees.. There was too much uncertainty with his arm etc... I honestly thought he was damaged goods... And you see how he was able to recover a year removed from damned near shoulder transplant... Boy was I wrong!

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Oh man I was so wrong about him,,, Damn,, as it turns out however, we weren't even in the running.. Remember, it came down to Miami (again) and New Orleans..

I thought Brees was a good pick coming out of college,, for a while there he was making me wish I hadn't believed that. But then the light came on when he was in SD... and he turned into a darn fine QB..

What scared me was that dang arm,.,, I really didn't think that he could come back from that so quickly.. I WAS WRONG..

But that doesn't mean I'm wrong about Green and the head injury,,,

I mean really,, odds are in my favor,, I'm due to be right about something soon

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As Toad has mentioned, Green has been cleared and will be fine

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Apparently that part ain't goin' through Phil's mind.......

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Now, are his reactions down? I say Hell no. His game against us proves it, as does the previous five seasons.

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I don't need to. All I need to know is that the doctors cleared him to play, and when he played us, he SMOKED us.

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hell since our return Glenville High school could probably put up some impressive numbers against us..

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No way Glenville puts up more than 150yds rushing and 225 passing. At best they win 17 - 7

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we could seriously use a vet and an upgrade at QB...

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That username is classic... I crack up everytime I see it...

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we could seriously use a vet and an upgrade at QB...

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Which is the whole damn reason we're going after Green...........

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Which is why I'm happy that Savage is looking into it and wouldn't be unhappy if we got him (depending on what we gave up for it).

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I agree. It certainly wouldn't HURT us to have him if he's able to play worth a crap.

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Let me clarify something..................

IF we can get him for 2.5 mil or less a season?
IF we can put the rest in incentives?
IF we can get him for minimal garunteed money?
IF we can get him for a fifth rounder or less?

Fine...................

But as Toad (thanks Toad) aptly pointed out,Schaub,an unproven starter in this league,cost 2 second rounders and 48 mil.

What would YOU be willing to pay for Green?

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I guess you missed this post of mine Toad.


And yes,he is negotiating with Miami. And yes,he will be making less. How much less? You say we can get him for 3 mil. or less a season.

What do you base that on? What makes you think he will go that cheap? And just how much do you value him at? How much is "too much"?

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Now, are his reactions down? I say Hell no. His game against us proves it, as does the previous five seasons.


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Toad my man,,, that's just one game,,, One game doth not a QB make..(i'm pretty sure Shakespere said that when refering to Kyle Boller)

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Yes, I agree. Shakespere DID say that 'bout Boller

No, seriously......."Toad my man...that's just one game...one game doth not a QB make..."

You're right. The problem is that it just isn't "one game." The previous four seasons.........that's 64 games..........says that Green posted season ratings of 90+.

If he were Tim Couch or Kyle Boller........stiffs that couldn't post an entire MONTH in the 80's...........you'd be right, but Green has a long history of being a really good/great QB, so when he posts "just one good game" it's a reflection that he still has what he's ALWAYS had. That's far different than a fluke.

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Hell if we are going to keep using that one game as an example,, both Frye and Anderson smoked them that game also.

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What are we using that example FOR? To show that Green, Frye, or Anderson have "it" or to show that Green, Frye, or Anderson STILL have "it?"

Again, the example is to prove that Green still had what he'd had for the previous 64 games.

Green: Proven. Frye and Anderson?

Don't miss the point. It's not about questioning whether or not a game was a fluke. Green has YEARS of proof under his belt that he's a real QB. That "one game" showed he was BACK, not that he had ARRIVED.

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Let me clarify something..................

IF we can get him for 2.5 mil or less a season?
IF we can put the rest in incentives?
IF we can get him for minimal garunteed money?
IF we can get him for a fifth rounder or less?

Fine...................

But as Toad (thanks Toad) aptly pointed out,Schaub,an unproven starter in this league,cost 2 second rounders and 48 mil.

What would YOU be willing to pay for Green?

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I guess you missed this post of mine Toad.


And yes,he is negotiating with Miami. And yes,he will be making less. How much less? You say we can get him for 3 mil. or less a season.

What do you base that on? What makes you think he will go that cheap? And just how much do you value him at? How much is "too much"?

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That's a very good question

Now we're getting into the pure opinion and speculation part of the program *L* I can work stats and verbiage to prove or disprove points, but damnit.......I have a harder time when it's a subjective opinion, hehehe.

For a team that wishes they were making a Super Bowl run......like the Fish.......the price for a guy like Green is higher than for a team like us. Now I know someone is going to say that the Fish are nowhere near a Super Bowl run, but one has to understand the current state of affairs in Miami (I'm only making this point to validate my perceived value of Green to that team). They have numerous pro-bowl defensive players and have a top-10 defense. They have a pro-bowl caliber back in Ronnie Brown, and quite possibly will have a stable-mate in Ricky Williams, who's rumored to be reinstated after April. What they DON'T have is a real QB that they can rely upon or an offensive line. A guy like Green, who's a proven winner and apparently available, is really the only viable option out there that they can get their hands on. Carr is a reclamation project and the Fish don't have time to wait for him to get to the next level. Remember, they tried that with Culpepper (failed) and Harrington (failed). They don't care to be burned a 3rd time. Zach Thomas, Kevin Carter, Jason Taylor, Joey Porter, etc etc etc are near the end of their effective careers.

So, the effective price for Green is higher since their need is desperate.

What about us? Trent Green would instantly make us a better team, but is his position the one holding us back from the Super Bowl? (No comments, please, it's too disheartening).

I think $4 million flat is too much for a guy like Green. I believe that he probably isn't even getting that from the Fish. I'd believe that his deal is loaded with incentives.

For a team like us, my belief that fair value is what I'd stated; $2-$3 million per plus incentives based on games played and production. His signing bonus would be minimal (relatively speaking) so that if he were to fall on his face and be cut, it wouldn't hamstring the team.

For us? I'd say that the EFFECTIVE contract (not any ballooned up fake numbers that the agents use to thump their chests ) would be three years $9 million plus incentives. They could make it look like a $20 million dollar deal, but that would tie to pro-bowls, all-pro status, playoff wins, etc etc etc. I bet the Fish are going higher than that.

Now if you ask me, the Chiefs have blown it. They let Green's agent talk to them BEFORE working out trade compensation. Fatal mistake on their part, and Carl Peterson should be firing some people over this. The Fish effectively got permission to find out what it'd take to sign Green, THEN offered a sack of dead fish for his services. All the while they knew damned well that the Chiefs would release him because of that contract. So now they just get to sit back and wait for it to happen, then they fly Green down on Huzienga's jet to sign that contract they'd allready negotiated.

That's why I call it a pipe dream. Green could demand that we pay his $7.2 million dollar salary in order to come to Cleveland. Meanwhile, he'll take less to go to Miami.