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Browns reportedly have interest in Chiefs QB Green
PFW asks associate editor Mike Wilkening for his take on NFL topics of interest.
Report: Browns interested in Green
The Browns may have interest in trading for Chiefs QB Trent Green, Kansas City general manager Carl Peterson told The Kansas City Star. Green, who will be 37 in July, is being dangled in trade talks because of his high salary and advanced age. Green completed 61.1 percent of his passes last season but missed eight games after suffering a concussion in the season opener.
PFW: Is Green a player the Browns should be interested in?
Wilkening: Certainly. Green is on the downside of his career, but he's far superior to the QB options Cleveland currently has on the roster. The Browns' plan, short of adding another quarterback, is letting Charlie Frye enter training camp as the starter and allowing Derek Anderson to knock him out of the position. This isn't an ideal situation — both are flawed players, and neither got the job done consistently last season. Both make far too many mistakes to be even serviceable starters at this stage of their young careers.
Green would give the Browns' offense the veteran leader it needs. He would take control of the huddle. He would be an accurate passer who would know his limitations and limit turnovers.
If the Browns draft a quarterback, Green would be an ideal one-year fix at the position. They need a quarterback, a leader, a mentor.
In short, they need to try and get something done with Kansas City. That's easier said than done. Green would also likely have to re-work his current deal to facilitate a trade, something he reportedly has already done with Miami. Even if that happened, the Chiefs would probably drive a tough bargain. Per the Star, the Chiefs asked the Dolphins for a second-round pick for Green. (That's way, way too rich a price.) The Dolphins could also use someone with Green's skill set, and Green's preference is to go to Miami where he would be reunited with close friend Terry Shea, the Dolphins' QB coach, and head coach Cam Cameron, whom he played for in Washington.
This ought to be interesting. Let's see if the Browns get seriously involved or if this is just a bargaining ploy by Peterson.
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j/c I wonder what TG's wife thinks about the possibility of him QBing for the Browns...  I agree with Eotab. This one confuses me.
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You're right. The problem is that it just isn't "one game." The previous four seasons.........that's 64 games..........says that Green posted season ratings of 90+.
NO NO,, I was talking POST Concussion games,, That's what I was referring to,, Sorry, that's my fault, I should have made that clearer..Sorry
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What are we using that example FOR? To show that Green, Frye, or Anderson have "it" or to show that Green, Frye, or Anderson STILL have "it?"
All that game proved is that for one game, anyone on the planet can have "IT"..
Look the only real point is that I'm truly concerned that bringing in Green will turn out to be a huge mistake.. The guy may or may not be what he once was,, If he is and we bring him here, just like I did with the brees thing, I'll say "my bad" and "I was wrong",,,, I have no problem admitting when I'm proven wrong,, Heck, I got a ton of experience at it,, why should it start bothering me now 
But this time, I just don't think I am and frankly Toad,, There really isn't anything anyone can say to make me change my mind,,, it's just the way I feel.......
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The Browns may have interest in trading for Chiefs QB Trent Green, Kansas City general manager Carl Peterson told The Kansas City Star. Green, who will be 37 in July, is being dangled in trade talks because of his high salary and advanced age.
His own team doens't want him for that money and his age,,, I surely hope we don't either..
anyway, not sure why you posted this Toad,,, it doesn't shed any more light on the subject,,, same stuff we've known for 3 days now... did I miss something?
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Well of course you know why I posted that article D........it's because it supports my side of the debate 
I swear I haven't seen an article that says signing Green would be a mistake 
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I swear I haven't seen an article that says signing Green would be a mistake
And you won't,, that kinda thinking doesn't sell papers! it would be a NON-Story then
Let me ask you something,, why do you think there was such talk a few months back that maybe after this upcoming season, Cowher would be out next HC??
I mean, Cowher never said anything like that.. Phil or Randy never did...
So why do you think it happened?
Wait,, let me tell you,,,,
Tony Grossi! That's why!
Tony wrote it in a article.. I don't Remember him saying it was for sure in print,, But, on the weekly TV program up here that he's one,, the one with Jim Donovan, Sam Rutigliano and Doug Dieken,, He stated clearly that Cowher would be our next HC..
Now in this case, Phil did admit to speaking to Peterson about Green. But given the time of year, (pre draft that is), Phil is out there floating all kinds of stories.. He's out there doing Due Dilegence on players that MAY help the Browns.. it's only because Green is high profile that it was ever reported..
What I'm suggesting here (take it for what it's worth because we already know my record for being right) is that Phil is out there talking to various GM's under the notion of a trade for a player.. perhaps trying to find out what they are gonna do in the draft.. or maybe he is testing thier interest in a possible trade up to our spot. I just think it's a whole lotta smoke and mirrors this time of year.
I don't think any of them are telling the truth about anything.. JMO however
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Lost in translation.........I put the angel smiley next to that statement as a joke Granted, it was rather dry and underwhelming, which is to say it was apparently a fantastic failure *L*
Here's what I think is happening:
Savage and Co. have soured on Frye as a viable starter. They are exploring all viable options. They looked at Schaub and determined that the price was too high. They've thought about Carr but apparently aren't interested in a reclamation project. Everyone under the sun knows that Savage likes Russell, and it's not a leap to think that he's got his eye on Quinn. So now Savage is looking at Green.
I'm not sitting here saying that we're going after him. Far from it. All I'm really doing is debating the how's and why's of a potential deal while taking it from all angles. That's why I laid out the parameters in my reply to Pit. Green wants Miami and the stOOpid Chiefs have given the Fish all the leverage. For us to get Green we'd have to probably over-pay and Savage may not want to go that route when he can get a QB via the draft.
Make no mistake about it. Green would be a one or two year QB to allow us to acquire talent for other positions of need. It would also allow Frye a little time to try and figure it out while buying us time. With all the cash under the cap available to us, paying Green isn't a problem, but it comes down to whether or not Savage wants to swing a deal, and whether or not he CAN swing a deal. Remember, he tried with Harrington but Joey wanted to go to Miami, just like Green.
Even if we have genuine interest in Green (we do have interest but it's not to the level of the Fish) we're still a longshot to land him. All I really know is that we have one of THE worst QB trio's in the entire league, and no matter how good the line's are, we're not going to win until we address the problem.
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No,, I got it,, it was funny,,, Yeah, we just have different opinoins on what all these things mean.,, in the end, what we think just doesn't matter,, Are you ready for the Draft yet?
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Whats that old adage that rings true to this day.."if you are arguing over 2 qbs,than you don't have 1 good qb.."
I think if the Browns trade for Trent Green,all this will do is indicate Savage drafting for J.Russell. If that scenario goes down,then Charlie Frye is done as a Brown via Day 2 trade or simply released.
What you have to consider with Frye is that,I don't think he instills alot of confidence in his teamates.That cannot be overstated.
Look,with Charlie,what you see is what you get. He doesn't do anything particulary well.
Now with Trent Green. He's proven. Every aspect to playing qb,he does better than Charlie. Keeping Charlie Frye in as the Browns 2007 qb is not upgrading the position..likewise for Derek Anderson.....both guys are no better than career backups.
The Browns has a whole would have no problem rallying and believing in Trent Green in directing the offense...
You want Charlie to be a feelgood story..but this isn't Hollywood.
Colleges had little intrest in him out of high school and few NFL teams had serious interest in him coming out of Akron.......the reasons are obvious.
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What you have to consider with Frye is that,I don't think he instills alot of confidence in his teamates.That cannot be overstated.
I don't think it CAN be stated at all,, not ONE teammate has had anything but glowing remarks about Charlie,, NOT ONE of them..
SO where does all the crap come from about him not Instilling confidence in his teammates?
One of two places,,, either the Media or it's self generated... IN either case, it's unrealiable information not based in fact..
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What you have to consider with Frye is that,I don't think he instills alot of confidence in his teamates.That cannot be overstated.
I don't think it CAN be stated at all,, not ONE teammate has had anything but glowing remarks about Charlie,, NOT ONE of them..
SO where does all the crap come from about him not Instilling confidence in his teammates?
One of two places,,, either the Media or it's self generated... IN either case, it's unrealiable information not based in fact..
I agree that there is no evidence to support the statement that Charlie doesn't instill confidence in his teammates, but I also don't think there is any evidence to say he does.
Just because players say they like Frye doesn't mean they have confidence in him. You can really like someone but still not have confidence in them when the game is on the line.
I am sure the players like Frye and admire his work ethic and commitment to the team, but do they really have confidence in him? Do his lineman have confidence he won't roll into a sack? Do they have confidence he won't hold and hold and hold onto the ball, especially on a three step drop? Do his receivers have confidence he won't lay them out to dry and have them get a helmet in the ribs? Do they have confidence he won't turn the ball over in the red zone? Do they have confidence that when the game is on the line he can manage the clock and move them down the field?
I honestly don't know if they do. But I also don't know if they don't. Just another aspect where the jury is still out on Frye, and another reason why he probably deserves another chance. Unless Savage feels he knows the answer to these questions and decides to make a change.
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agree that there is no evidence to support the statement that Charlie doesn't instill confidence in his teammates, but I also don't think there is any evidence to say he does.
There is NOTHING that verifies that the players DO have confidence in Charlie,,,
Unless of course you just wanna take thier words for it..
You hear nothing but Praise for Charlie from his teammates.. Now if you wanna say that doesn't matter, then fine,,, Believe what you want..
I recognize that one player isn't going to throw another player under the bus,,, not a good thing to do to your teammate...
But not throwing someone under a bus and giving GLOWING comments about them,, well that's two entirely different things..
But let's face it, if your a fan that believes in Charlie or at the very least, someone like me that thinks he needs a chance behind a better line, then your gonna believe what the players say,,
On the other hand, if you have made up your mind and think Charlie is a complete bust or at least no better than a backup,, then what the other players say about him will be them being good teammates and not wanting to tell us the truth...
So it depends on your view point,..... Nothing I'm gonna say is gonna change anyones mind,,, the same it true in reverse....
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I said in my post that Frye probably deserves another chance, and based on what I have seen the past two years I think he does.
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Yeah, I know,, did I offend you with my comments? I mean, perhaps I should have made it clearer that that was not my intent,,,,, Smile and join me for a beer 
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Yeah, I know,, did I offend you with my comments? I mean, perhaps I should have made it clearer that that was not my intent,,,,,
Smile and join me for a beer
Haha, no, I wasn't offended. I just wanted to make sure that I was clear.
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Lost in translation.........I put the angel smiley next to that statement as a joke Granted, it was rather dry and underwhelming, which is to say it was apparently a fantastic failure *L*
Here's what I think is happening:
Savage and Co. have soured on Frye as a viable starter. They are exploring all viable options. They looked at Schaub and determined that the price was too high. They've thought about Carr but apparently aren't interested in a reclamation project. Everyone under the sun knows that Savage likes Russell, and it's not a leap to think that he's got his eye on Quinn. So now Savage is looking at Green.
I'm not sitting here saying that we're going after him. Far from it. All I'm really doing is debating the how's and why's of a potential deal while taking it from all angles. That's why I laid out the parameters in my reply to Pit. Green wants Miami and the stOOpid Chiefs have given the Fish all the leverage. For us to get Green we'd have to probably over-pay and Savage may not want to go that route when he can get a QB via the draft.
Make no mistake about it. Green would be a one or two year QB to allow us to acquire talent for other positions of need. It would also allow Frye a little time to try and figure it out while buying us time. With all the cash under the cap available to us, paying Green isn't a problem, but it comes down to whether or not Savage wants to swing a deal, and whether or not he CAN swing a deal. Remember, he tried with Harrington but Joey wanted to go to Miami, just like Green.
Even if we have genuine interest in Green (we do have interest but it's not to the level of the Fish) we're still a longshot to land him. All I really know is that we have one of THE worst QB trio's in the entire league, and no matter how good the line's are, we're not going to win until we address the problem.
IMO that's about the best summation of the Browns' QB dilemma without mentioning the OL. That's why I say BQ will be a Brown.
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Oh NO,,, I thought I was out then I read this Quote:
IMO that's about the best summation of the Browns' QB dilemma without mentioning the OL. That's why I say BQ will be a Brown.
How can you have an intelligent conversation about the QB job without including discussion on the line,,
You better hope that if your right about Quinn that we have completely addressed the Olne,, or the next thing you know, he'll be thought of as another first round bust...
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Well , you CAN have an intelligent conversation about the QB position without mentioning the OL., however that seems to be a rare occurrance.
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I give up,,,, you win,,,,
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JMO, but why does Charlie have to be a "starter" Can't he eventually be decent #2? And Rex Groosman is worse than Charlie 
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I give up,,,, you win,,,,
nothing to do about us, but I do wonder about your signature.
You post on average 10 times a day? ??????
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No... Hell No.  Anyway I don't think it will happen. Miami has inside track. We should either stick with Charlie or get Quinn. Savage would take Russell if he could get him, but I don't think he can. Davis likes him too much. by the way, (don't know if this is posted) NFL.com has a poll who will make the better QB. Green, Quinn, Fry, Anderson, Other. All the Fry fans/supporters need to get over there and vote for him. Right now Green and Quinn are well in the lead. Oh yea....... GO BUCKS!!!
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it supports my side of the debate
What side of the debate?
You already pretty much stated that Green is MORE valuable to Miami than he is us. That they may see it as "a desperation move for a Super Bowl run". Doesn't that about sum it up?
And you said he was worth no more than 3mil. a year to us.
Green WANTS to go to Miami. Is already in negaitiations with Miami. And you yourself said that he was of more desperate need to them than us................
So where is "your side" again?
See that was my point all along. Considering the risks and he is on the downside of his career,he's only worth so much to us. If the price is fair,I have no problem with it either.
But if Miami REALLY wants him,they'll outbid us easily. So I don't really see the point of the "debate" at all,do you?
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Point is Pitt, until he is released by KC, he has NO say in signing with Miami.. It is HIS PREFERENCE however, until he is released, KC can negotiate with whatever team they choose... Not to speak for Toad but IF the price is right, he would be a great fit here... OBVIOUSLY the price ISN'T right or we would already have him.. Phil isn't stupid... It would stand to reason that Phil OBVIOUSLY doesn't see that he is worth a 2nd rder like KC wants for him and I bet if you weaded through the 7 pgs. of this thread, you won't see ANYONE that posted agree that he is worth that either... Doesn't get much simpler than that... 
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nothing to do about us, but I do wonder about your signature.
You post on average 10 times a day? ??????
What's your point,,,,do you want me to stop posting?
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I have seen it mentioned a few times in this thread that Green has no say in where he ends up. No team is going to pay him under his current contract, so he will re-negotiate with whoever he wants. So, in all actuallity Green can basically decide who he wants to be traded to.
As far as my opinion on Green as the Browns QB....I would pay him incentive based contract, about 3 mil first year, maybe 3.5 next with a 5th rd pick going to KC....maybe swap 7ths to make it work.
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Figures you would quote the post selectively comment on it and ignore another important part of the sentance.
a player who might be able to help us
Looks like Toad isn't the only one who thinks he could help us.
There are hundreds of players who could "help us" it doesn't mean we are going to run out and sign them, or trade for them all.
Hundreds....who???? not hundreds that are available. If they are available and they can help us you better believe that we are looking at them and making precursory investigations into what it will take to bring them here. Sometimes it leads somewhere and many times it leads to nowhere...but I guarantee we will look into them.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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So where is "your side" again?
See that was my point all along. Considering the risks and he is on the downside of his career,he's only worth so much to us. If the price is fair,I have no problem with it either.
But if Miami REALLY wants him,they'll outbid us easily. So I don't really see the point of the "debate" at all,do you?
Maybe you were being fecitious, but "my side" of the debate is in that last article I posted, the one that says Green would be great here
The real point to any debate is to examine and learn. People make assumptions and form opinions without seeing all sides of an issue. The reason I debate regarding Green is because we need help at the QB position, and Savage has called to inquire about him.
That's more than enough reason to debate
Or maybe we can just rehash Thomas V. Peterson, or how poor Necktie Shaffer is
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Or maybe we can just rehash Thomas V. Peterson, or how poor Necktie Shaffer is
....or dare i say it....Holcomb v's "He who shall not be named."
Remember on the old boards the refs would lock or delete any thread mentioning TC? 
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Well, at least on here, you can mention his name without the thread being locked,,,LOL That right there is an improvement over the other board
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Remember, he tried with Harrington but Joey wanted to go to Miami, just like Green.
We were interested in Harrington??
Yes, last year Phil made an effort to acquire Harrington from the Lions before he was shipped off to Miami. A big reason was that Joey wanted to go to Miami and much like Green he had a big contract to renegotiate, so he could make other trades difficult. Phil also showed interest in Mike McMahon.
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Hundreds....who???? not hundreds that are available.
Almost every player in the NFL is available for the right price Pete. How many free agents were signed around the NFL last year and this year. Many of the guys signed by other teams could have helped the Browns. Why didn't we sign them???
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If they are available and they can help us you better believe that we are looking at them and making precursory investigations into what it will take to bring them here. Sometimes it leads somewhere and many times it leads to nowhere...but I guarantee we will look into them.
Now this part we can agree on Phil should always be on the lookout on ways to improve this team. Like I have said already however giving up a first day pick, and trading for a 37 year old QB, who will eat up seven to eight million a year of cap space per year is not going to help this team down the road.
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Now this part we can agree on Phil should always be on the lookout on ways to improve this team.
Which is probably why we hear so dang many rumors about this player and that player,,,,
Phil is out doing what he called "due diligence" on players..
I remember last year, When bentley went down. Phil had a group of Centers already picked out,,, I wonder how that happened.. Could it be as a result of Due Diligence in the off season? Hmmmm I wonder LOL..
Or how about when it appeared that Cutch wasn't coming back last year,,, he had guys lined up already.... then Baxter went down and he had even more guys to look at...
The good news,,, we ended up with a pretty good starting center in Fraley, a decent back up in Friedman (who also ended up playing some guard) and a decent DB in Holly...
And it's all because Phil was prepared,,,
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Yes, last year Phil made an effort to acquire Harrington from the Lions before he was shipped off to Miami. A big reason was that Joey wanted to go to Miami and much like Green he had a big contract to renegotiate, so he could make other trades difficult. Phil also showed interest in Mike McMahon.
McMahon has already been signed by the Argos ( Link ) and Harrington is rumoured to be headed that way (or at the very least Toronto has his rights!). Barely escaped those mistakes! 
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Yes, last year Phil made an effort to acquire Harrington from the Lions before he was shipped off to Miami. A big reason was that Joey wanted to go to Miami and much like Green he had a big contract to renegotiate, so he could make other trades difficult. Phil also showed interest in Mike McMahon.
McMahon has already been signed by the Argos ( Link ) and Harrington is rumoured to be headed that way (or at the very least Toronto has his rights!). Barely escaped those mistakes!
So you're saying that the Lions are kind of like a "farm team" for the CFL
I gotta tell ya, with all the pain the Browns have put me through over the last seven years I've really become thankful for the Lions  At least I have friends in one city that I can call all talk trash to about their crappy football team and horrible management!
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Troy Aikman's 2nd Year in the NFL vs Charlie Frye's 2nd Year in the NFL
VERY SIMILAR STATISTICS
Troy Aikman
399 - Pass Attempts
226 - Completions
56.6% - Completion %
2579 - Passing Yards
11 - TD Passes
18 - Interceptions
39 - Times Sacked
288 - Yards lost from being sacked
40 - Rushing Attempts
172 - Rushing Yards
1 - Rushing TD
5 - Fumbles
Charlie Frye
392 - Pass Attempts
252 - Completions
64.3% - Completion %
2454 - Passing Yards
10 - TD Passes
17 - Interceptions
44 - Times Sacked
262 - Yards lost from being sacked
47 - Rushing Attempts
215 - Rushing Yards
3 - Rushing TD's
8 - Fumbles
Now here's Troy Aikman's stats in year 3
363 - Pass Attempts
237 - Completions
65.3% - Completion %
2754 - Passing Yards
11 - TD Passes
10 - Interceptions
32 - Times Sacked
224 - Yards lost from being sacked
16 - Rushing Attempts
5 - Rushing Yards
1 - Rushing TD's
4 - Fumbles
I have a feeling if Frye plays like Aikman did in year 3 this year there would still be people saying the Browns can never win with Frye. I think Browns fans have too high of expectations for QB's on mediocre teams. Will Frye be the next Aikman and win 3 Super Bowls? Probably not, but he's shown enough to earn another year as the Browns QB.
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Aikman IMO was highly overrated.
Was he a good QB? Of course. Great? Not even close. He was a good QB on a great team. Basically it all boiled down to the Cowboy's awesome OL.
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I have a feeling if Frye plays like Aikman did in year 3 this year there would still be people saying the Browns can never win with Frye.
If Frye had Emmit Smith, M Irvin, Harper, Johnston, and a great D maybe he'd be similar at best, but at the end of the day Frye has a weak arm and doesn't play in a dome.
Comparing the two is like comparing apples and "apples with weak arms". 
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