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Racial segregation or transportation mitigation? The Transportation Ministry announced that starting Sunday it will begin operating designated lines for Palestinians in the West Bank.
The bus lines in question are meant, according to the ministry, to transport Palestinian workers from the West Bank to central Israel. The ministry alleges that the move is meant to ease the congestion felt on bus lines used by Jews in the same areas, but several bus drivers told Ynet that Palestinians who will choose to travel on the so-called "mixed" lines, will be asked to leave them.
While officially the new lines are considered "general bus lines," Ynet learned Saturday that their existence has been made public only in Palestinian villages in the West Bank, via flyers in Arabic urging Palestinians to arrive at Eyal crossing and use the designated lines.
The Transportation Ministry defended the plan, saying it was the result of reports and complaints saying that the buses traveling in the area were overcrowded and rife with tensions between the Jewish and Arab passengers.
A ministry source said that many complaints expressed concern that the Palestinian passengers may pose a security risk, while other complaints said that the overcrowded buses cause the drivers to skip stations.
The ministry has also gotten reports of scuffles between Jews and Arab passengers, as well as between Palestinians and drivers who refused to allow them to board their bus.
The ministry reportedly considered several alternatives before deciding to opt for designated lines – knowing that the issue of so-called "Palestinian lines" would be highly controversial.
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Still, the ministry eventually decided to launch the lines, which will run from Eyal crossing – near the West Bank city of Qalqilya – to Israel.
Legally, however, there is no way to stop Palestinians from boarding "regular" lines: "We are not allowed to refuse service and we will not order anyone to get off the bus, but from what we were told, starting next week, there will be checks at the checkpoint, and Palestinians will be asked to board their own buses," a driver with Afikim – the company that holds the routes franchise for the area – told Ynet.
The volatile nature of the decision was not lost on the driver: "Obviously, everyone will start screaming 'apartheid' and 'racism' now. This really doesn’t feel right, and maybe (the ministry) should find a different solution, but the situation right now is impossible."
Another driver said that, "Driving a bus full of only Palestinians might turn out to be tricky. It could be unnerving and it might also create other problems. It could be a scary thing."
The Judea and Samaria Police is reportedly gearing for the move as well, and will deploy additional forces in Eyal crossing to maintain public order.
Police sources said that it is highly unlikely that Palestinians would be excluded from riding on existing bus lines, adding that the forces would "Do their best to execute the ministry's decision."
Afikim issued a statement saying that, "This plan aims to ease travel for Palestinian passengers and offer a solution that counters pirate bus companies that charge exorbitant prices. As for any question about removing Palestinian passengers from buses – that has to be addressed by the enforcement and security bodies."
The Transportation Ministry issued the following statement: "The new lines are not separate lines for Palestinians but rather two designated lines meant to improve the services offered to Palestinian workers who enter Israel through Eyal Crossing.
"The new lines will replace irregular, pirate lines that charge very high prices from Palestinian passengers. The new lines will reduce congestion and will benefit Israelis and Palestinians alike."
According to the statement, "The Transportation Ministry is forbidden from preventing any passenger from boarding any line of public transportation, nor do we know of a directive to that effect. Instating these lines was done with the knowledge and complete agreement of the Palestinians."
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This makes no sense at all. Israel says they want peace but bulldoze homes belonging to Palestinians, suppress the voting rights of Palestinian, and now looking for segregated buses? This isn't even to mention all the African immigration hub-bub that happened last year, either...
Why do we support this ridiculous nation? Oh right, strategic interests in the middle east.
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Well, if you're the supplier of bus parts to Israel you're not happy. Since the Palestinians probably won't be blowing up buses that contain only their people, you suddenly find yourself having to supplement your income.
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I'm sure it makes no sense to a college boy that has spent the entirety of his short life living under the protective umbrella of the good 'ol USA.
I'm certain you'll understand if I just ignore what you have to say and instead listen to an Israeli whose family has been blown to bits,or even one of our boys who has spent time in the Mideast.
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Well, if you're the supplier of bus parts to Israel you're not happy. Since the Palestinians probably won't be blowing up buses that contain only their people, you suddenly find yourself having to supplement your income.
I suppose, if I were the supplier. But I'm not. I don't live in Israel. I don't care even a tiny bit about the Jewish population or Palestinian population living there. I don't care about their silly and petty differences. I don't care what they do or do not do.
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And I should care because...?
Well maybe you should care because one of the biggest reasons for Middle Eastern hostility towards the United States is because of our support for Israel.
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OMG! They don't want to ride the same bus as people who want them wiped off the face of the earth and have committed hundreds of sucide bombings against their civilian population? The nerve of them!
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There's two sides of the story to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. By no means do I condone the outrageous bloodshed by either side.
I get the whole Israel is the promised land concept. Well, for those who believe Old Testament thing really happened and all that kinds of stuff. But from this perspective shouldn't they believe God kicked them out for a reason? It's almost like they are trying to self-fulfill prophecy by forcibly taking land back like they did after WWII happened. God should let them back in peacefully and they should just stop trying so hard if that were the case. We all want a place we can call home. However, I don't think you can justify wanting to have a home with the bloodshed of innocent people.
Israel says they want peace but they continue to antagonize the Palestinians as much as they are antagonized themselves.
Apparently those living in Israel never learned much from Martin Luther King Jr.
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And I should care because...?
Well maybe you should care because one of the biggest reasons for Middle Eastern hostility towards the United States is because of our support for Israel.
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And still, I don't care and I have no support for any nation in the Middle East.
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You're leaving out a very important point....the Palestinians refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, and their own charter calls for Israel's elimination by "any military means". Back to the article.... Israelis don't want to share a bus with someone that wants them and all of their people dead.....and you think it makes no sense at all? I didn't realize UT had a major in Sharia Law.
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Abbas and the Palestinian Authority say one thing but they are not engaged in an armed struggle with Israel, police armed groups in the west bank, and both support a two state solution. The leader of Hamas has gone on record saying their own charter means nothing and are willing to support a two state system based on the '67 border.
None of this excuses continued violence on both ends.
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I'm not excusing any violence. I'm just dumbfounded that you've taken offense to Israelis for not wanting to ride the same bus as Palestinians.....who've actually bombed civilian buses.
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I believe his reservation with Israel goes back farther than buses.
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I'm just dumbfounded that you've taken offense to Israelis for not wanting to ride the same bus as Palestinians.....who've actually bombed civilian buses.
We've bombed more than anyone's share of civilian anything.
Doesn't mean the idea of an 'Americans only' bus makes sense.
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You're leaving out a very important point....Some Palestinians refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist, and their own charter calls for Israel's elimination by "any military means".
Slight fix here- to account for the subtleties of Middle Eastern politics, jfan.
While it's true that Hezbollah has, in its charter what you claim- it hasn't always been the reigning voice within the Palestinian community.... and that's an important detail- because it pertains to what I'm about to share here.
I can count at least 3-4 times in the past 15 years, that more moderate voices held sway over the transient politics that have existed between Palestine AND Israel.
As seems to always be the case with these two, every time "cooler heads" take the lead, one or the other of them hold an election, and political clout (if not public sentiment) seems to take a shift back towards polarization and antagonism.
"Truth" be told- it's not the citizens of either 'country' who are at war with each other... it's the presiding governments. that set the stage for how their next 4-6 years progress.
If one were to ask 100 Israelis and 100 Palestinians what they want from their daily lives, you'd be shocked at how similarly each would answer. They essentially want the exact same things:
1.safety from aggression (from the other side),
2.freedom to earn a living for themselves and their families... and
3.an end to the endless bloodshed that so rules their lives.
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Even within the ranks of former Israeli High-Level Military Officials, there exists a disconnect between their common-sense outlook, and the politics of The Israeli Body Politic.
As evidence, I'll refer you to one of the most recent Israeli tell-all documentaries regarding this very subject, directed and filmed by Israeli filmmaker Drohr Moreh, who found a way to interview all but one of the top (or former top) members of the Israel Security Agency Sherut haBitachon haKlali... also more commonly known as: "Shin Bet."
The documentary is called: The Gatekeepers
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In his interviews of the Shin Bet higher-ups, it was revealed that each, to a man, had reservations at the time, of the wisdom and efficacy of the decisions made by the Israeli politicians who were actually running the show during their respective times of service. That scenario is, on the surface no different from the revelations which now come from our own camp- as reports trickle out from both the Bush and Obama administrations....and the administrations which preceded them (dating back to Kennedy, Eisenhower, and before).
In this documentary, each and every high-level operative expressed regret and remorse for the steps they took, in service to Their Country... on issues both large and small. These were Career Military Operatives- dedicated to carrying out the edicts of their own elected officials.... and they now openly espouse doubts about the wisdom of their boss's choices? Without fail, I'll always trust the words of a Military Man who actually 'put his boots on the ground' in service to His Country.
...Sounds suspiciously similar to revelations that have come out here on American soil, between American ex-military, and the administrations that they served, doesn't it?
You can hear an extensive interview with the filmmaker Here. (Click the big blue link arrow). It's 30 minutes well-spent, to get a look deep inside Israeli politics...
Bottom line: Human Nature doesn't change from generation to generation. Those who "set policy" don't see life in the same way that those who "enact policy" do.
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Speaking as an Adult who has seen 40+ years of this Human frailty-based crap,.. it comes as no surprise to me that in Israel and Palestine, there are no easier answers that we can find for ourselves right here at Home.
Do we really want to (blindly) support this regime? And do we really want to align ourselves to those who oppose it?
As always.... The Truth lies somewhere in the middle of the mix... and THAT'S why we fight each other Over Here... and why they fight each other (even within the Isaeli camp) over there.
jfan... there are no easy answers, Today's policy is tomorrow's "miscalculation."
Who's to say that Israel's policies are always right... and (the ever-changing) policies of Palestine are always wrong?
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I'm just dumbfounded that you've taken offense to Israelis for not wanting to ride the same bus as Palestinians.....who've actually bombed civilian buses.
We've bombed more than anyone's share of civilian anything.
Doesn't mean the idea of an 'Americans only' bus makes sense.
If we were living side by side with al Qaeda, I'd sure want to ride in an Americans only bus....
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All this comes down to, from my view is this.
1. You have one group of people taught that everything about Israel is bad.
2. You have one group of people taught that everything about Israel is good.
Then, you have people like me that just don't give a damn about either of the other groups. The ONLY country on the planet that I have been concerned about is the USA (and I'm less and less giving a damn about it anymore). Why should we give a damn what these other countries are doing to each other? I notice that Israel's detractors aren't saying a damn thing about the Sudan. They don't say a word about Nigeria either. The Congo? The Ivory Coast? They couldn't find any of these countries on an unlabeled map. Anyone so adamantly critical of Israel's dealing with the 'Palestinians' (for the record, there is no such nation) but not critical of these other countries are hypocrites. Remember the Hutsi & Tutsi clashes in Rwanda & Burundi? Oh, right, Clinton was president and did nothing so it was alright to let the bloodshed continue in Africa.
On the flip side of the coin, you have Israeli apologists. Nothing Israel would do is ever criticized. They believe that the people of Israel are God's Chosen People. That might have been true in the Old Testament. I don't think I would attribute it to them today. They are a potent and efficient military state in the midst of a bunch of hostile states, but they got that way with a bunch of help and they maintain it because of that assistance. There are too many apologists in their own country for what they do and have done. They shouldn't apologize at all for anything but they do and they give up too much to their enemies.
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I think you're oversimplifying. There's also the common sense approach that says Israel is the only true democracy in the region, shares many of our cultural and religious values, and are our only ally in the region. It is in our self-interest, for national security reasons, to support them.
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I think you're oversimplifying. There's also the common sense approach that says Israel is the only true democracy in the region, shares many of our cultural and religious values, and are our only ally in the region. It is in our self-interest, for national security reasons, to support them.
Garbage.
We turned Iraq, via military means, into a parliamentary democracy. Turkey is also a parliamentary democracy and a NATO ally. Stop making things up.
They do share the same religious values, for the most part, that we do, but so do Egypt's Coptic Christians (which make up about 1/10th of Egypt's population).
It's was our national interest to make sure that Suez Canal didn't fall into the hands of Islamist militants, but that didn't keep it from happening. That's what a weak foreign policy does for you.
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Same religious values? The Treaty of Tripoli states we have no national religion or theocratic elements to our country.
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Turkey may be a strategic ally vis a vis Russia and Iran, but they have consistently been at odds with the U.S. with regards to Middle East policies in Israel and Iraq. They, along with Egypt are staunch supporters of the Palestinians and Hamas. They have meddled in Iraq by reaching oil deals with the Kurds in northern Iraq, but refusing to support the central government in Baghdad, causing a division between Kurds and Sunnis in the attempts to form a unified Iraqi government. They are our ally only when it suits them.
You mention the Coptic Christians (all 10% of them) in Egypt, but you do not mention they are being persecuted into hiding by their own Islamic goverment. Is that your idea of sharing values?
Iraq, as a fledgling democracy recovering from years of brutal dictatorship, and then a protracted war, is in no position to be anyone's ally - if they'd even want to. It remains to be seen if democracy even takes hold there.
IMO, Islamic nations that trend radical will never be true allies, because the truth is, they hate our way of life.
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The few middle eastern people I've talked to, it's more like "Well, I wonder what building they're going to bomb today." rather than, "I really hate the fact that they can watch the Jersey Shore." js
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Interesting that when I mention "our way of life" your mind goes to some vapid MTV reality show. Or did I read that wrong?
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a lot of people have this blind alliance when it comes to Israel, yet most refuse to actually do some research.
there's a reason why palestine and Israel have been at war with each other before the US was a twinkle in anyone's eyes, and it isn't because palestine are just a bunch of "terrorist"
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T'was only to highlight that absurdness of the whole life style thing. I'd say most of their resentment from the difference of political position and our invasive foreign policy over the last 40+ years rather than what freedoms we have (They also had most of these freedoms prior to us supporting opposing governments.)
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Don't be stupid, man! You know this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Every Western civilization is.
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Beacause when I said "our way of life" I was talking about things like everyone having a chance to succeed; equal rights; women being able to drive a car, go outside unaccompanied by a male, and not forced to cover every inch of their body in a suffocating shroud. Things like allowing little girls to attend school, and not be mutilated genitally at birth. Oh yeah, also, not being stoned to death because THEY were raped. Other stuff like being able to speak your mind - maybe even offend someone's religion - without being beheaded.
I am sick of people saying its our fault they hate us - we bombed them - you're GD right we bombed them. Islamic radicals unmercifully, and without remorse, murdered 3000 of our countrymen and women. And then we got to watch others all across the middle east dance and cheer that attack on us - the Great Satan.
I'm done with it. That kind of pseudo-intellectual BS drives me nuts. Carry on.
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You know Islam is also founded on Abrahamic principals. You all pray to the same God at the end of the day. Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah. Same dude at the end of the day. So what do they hate about your life?
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Actually, Turkey is an ally. They don't always agree, but they are, as a part of NATO obligated to defend the US in case of attack. They were a reliable ally in that measure and that's all they are obligated to do. Otherwise, I expect them to act in their own interests.
I only bring in the Coptic Christians because they also share our religious values. I mention nothing about the Islamists in Egypt. The Coptics were protected by Mubarak, a pragmatist.
Why would Iraq not be in a position to be anybody's ally. It would seem to me that they are a natural ally and they need an ally.
It doesn't remain to be seen if it takes hold there. It actually has. We're still there to make sure that it remains as stable as it can as it continues to develop it's geopolitical identity.
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You know Islam is also founded on Abrahamic principals. You all pray to the same God at the end of the day. Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah. Same dude at the end of the day. So what do they hate about your life?
That's not the truth.
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Well, here's the charter as accepted by the Palestinian American Council, not just Hezbolloah. http://www.pac-usa.org/the_palestinian_charter.htm Despite the talk, this charter still stands. Now, I don't believe for a minute that Israel's totally innocent in all of this. I also don't believe that there will ever be a peaceful resolution in Israel/Palestine. I'm just trying to point out the ridiculousness of condenming the segregation of the bus lines, given the violence and hostility there.
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Beacause when I said "our way of life" I was talking about things like everyone having a chance to succeed; equal rights; women being able to drive a car, go outside unaccompanied by a male, and not forced to cover every inch of their body in a suffocating shroud. Things like allowing little girls to attend school, and not be mutilated genitally at birth. Oh yeah, also, not being stoned to death because THEY were raped. Other stuff like being able to speak your mind - maybe even offend someone's religion - without being beheaded.
I am sick of people saying its our fault they hate us - we bombed them - you're GD right we bombed them. Islamic radicals unmercifully, and without remorse, murdered 3000 of our countrymen and women. And then we got to watch others all across the middle east dance and cheer that attack on us - the Great Satan.
I'm done with it. That kind of pseudo-intellectual BS drives me nuts. Carry on.
Most of these things were being fixed in the 70's before US involvement. Also, Islam grants women A LOT of rights that are not granted in the Bible or the Torah. Most misogynistic laws tend to be, because of old laws governing them.
I'm not talking about post 9/11 politics. I'm talking about pre-9/11 politics.
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Beacause when I said "our way of life" I was talking about things like everyone having a chance to succeed; equal rights; women being able to drive a car, go outside unaccompanied by a male, and not forced to cover every inch of their body in a suffocating shroud. Things like allowing little girls to attend school, and not be mutilated genitally at birth. Oh yeah, also, not being stoned to death because THEY were raped. Other stuff like being able to speak your mind - maybe even offend someone's religion - without being beheaded.
I am sick of people saying its our fault they hate us - we bombed them - you're GD right we bombed them. Islamic radicals unmercifully, and without remorse, murdered 3000 of our countrymen and women. And then we got to watch others all across the middle east dance and cheer that attack on us - the Great Satan.
I'm done with it. That kind of pseudo-intellectual BS drives me nuts. Carry on.
You honestly believe it's pseudo-intellectual BS to point out the fact that a major reason that the Middle East hates us is because we've been bombing and killing them for decades?
I mean, yeah, it's crazy talk, right? 
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They've spent even more time bombing, killing, and poisoning one another.
It is so unfortunate that the Ottoman Empire sided with Germany in WWI, because they did the best job of keeping the region peaceful and under control than anyone since has. They actually treated all religions and people, for the most part, with dignity and respect. There may not have been complete equality, but it was better in many regards than it is today.
The strange thing is that the defeated Turks (who ruled the Ottoman Empire) went on to form what is probably the strongest Muslim majority democracy, (with the notable exception of their treatment of the Kurds) while the rest of the Middle East has gone to hell.
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This makes no sense at all. Israel says they want peace but bulldoze homes belonging to Palestinians, suppress the voting rights of Palestinian, and now looking for segregated buses? This isn't even to mention all the African immigration hub-bub that happened last year, either...
Why do we support this ridiculous nation? Oh right, strategic interests in the middle east.
To not care about this issue means you should probably not vote because support for Israel seems to be a campaign issue every election, even to the point of identifying patriotism.
Of course that's ridiculous.
Israel is in the middle of an area of people who have sworn to destroy them, but they keep doing everything in their power to . these people off.
They treat Palestinians in a way that would only encourage them to try to constantly bomb the crap out of them, then they cry victim.
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Don't be stupid, man! You know this country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles. Every Western civilization is.
I could have sworn it was founded by people escaping religious persecution.
Unless of course when you say, "Founded" you mean the people who organized our first government. Even that is open to political conflict due to the misinterpretation of the separation of church and state.
There are those who swear that separation of church and state implies the exact opposite.
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They treat Palestinians in a way that would only encourage them to try to constantly bomb the crap out of them, then they cry victim.
Bingo, you've got an outside group of people who moved into the Palestinian's country (without the Palestinians wanting them there), received the support of the world after WW2 so they got to keep the country that was promised to the Palestinians by the British.............
And then, they enact a society where the Palestinians are essentially living in apartheid.
Meanwhile, the USA stands with Israel every step of the way, and criticizes both countries, but refuses to recognize the state of Palestine (as so many other countries did in the UN recently) and continues to give massive amounts of foreign aid to Israel. And it makes me sick.
I understand strategic interests, but I also like to believe that doing the morally right thing makes things work out.
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Bingo, you've got an outside group of people who moved into the Palestinian's country (without the Palestinians wanting them there), received the support of the world after WW2 so they got to keep the country that was promised to the Palestinians by the British.............
And then, they enact a society where the Palestinians are essentially living in apartheid.
I'm not saying that Israel is always right.. but you have taken a problem that was created over multiple decades, involved multiple treaties, several nations, a ton of contributing political factors, has significant religious implications from both sides and broken it down into 2 sentences where one side is right and the other is wrong... it ain't that easy.
First of all, I don't care if the Palestinians didn't want them there. If the Palestinians had just given them drivers licenses, health insurance, created all government documents in their language and left them alone, I'm sure the Jews that moved into Palestine would have been fine.. they were just looking for a better life for their families.
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Meanwhile, the USA stands with Israel every step of the way, and criticizes both countries, but refuses to recognize the state of Palestine (as so many other countries did in the UN recently) and continues to give massive amounts of foreign aid to Israel. And it makes me sick.
We also give over $600 million a year in aid to the Palestinians and that's not counting that we are the single largest contributor to the UN's relief efforts that focus on Gaza and the West Bank.. Sure, we give a lot more than that to Israel, probably 5x that much.. but a lot of that is in military aid, which we don't give to a lot of other countries...
If you really want to depress the crap out of yourself, scan around this interactive map and it will pop up just how much money we doll out to these nations while we can't afford to pay our own bills...
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I'm not saying that Israel is always right.. but you have taken a problem that was created over multiple decades, involved multiple treaties, several nations, a ton of contributing political factors, has significant religious implications from both sides and broken it down into 2 sentences where one side is right and the other is wrong... it ain't that easy.
First of all, I don't care if the Palestinians didn't want them there. If the Palestinians had just given them drivers licenses, health insurance, created all government documents in their language and left them alone, I'm sure the Jews that moved into Palestine would have been fine.. they were just looking for a better life for their families.
For me, it is that easy. A philanthropist with political ties from Britain, convinced the government to give the Jews a homeland in Palestine. The British then convinced the people of Palestine to rise up against the Ottoman Empire (and promised them their own country). This was all WW1, and I think you know this because you were talking about how the Middle East would have been better off under Turk rule, lol, I agree.
Anyway, first Britain separates Palestine and makes Israel and Jordan. Jordan was seen as a place for the Palestinians to go. But people didn't live in Jordan, it's a land with little resources, and no one wanted to live there. This was not the deal that the Palestinians (the people living in this area) were sold. Meanwhile, tons of Jews are immigrating to the country, and it's under British rule.
This pisses off the Palestinians and they begin to rise up and create chaos for the British. They resist. They want their own country and voting rights. Their plan was to vote to close off immigration by Jews into Israel. They never agreed to their land being a "homeland" for a totally different people. This is agreed to by Britain, but they're told they get it after WW2.
So WW2 happens, and there's a mass genocide of Jews in Europe by the Nazis. The Palestinians create no problems in Israel during this time as they're finally promised their state.
When WW2 ends, Britain gives the Israel/Palestine issue over to the UN and the UN decides that Israel would be the homeland to the Jews. They want to split the land in two. How the Palestinians felt about this was never really discussed. I mean it was their land afterall......... The Palestinians did nothing to these people. They had nothing to do with WW2. Why would the burden of Europe's sins be placed on them?
During the first war, many Palestinians left their homes, as they were told they could go back very shortly after the Arab countries defeat Israel. That and a ton of people were simply kicked out by the Israelies. That created the massive amount of refugees.
After that, there might have been a couple more wars, but Israel was always victorious.
In the meantime, the Palestinians, who've been fighting for their independence are kicked out of their homes in Jeruselum (a city that was supposed to be independent of Israel, yet it's controlled by Israel for some reason (Christians are being kicked out of their homes too at this very moment as well)), forced to live in an apartheid society, in a country that was originally theirs in the first place.
I don't see it as that difficult. The people living in the country didn't want the Jews to come. They came anyway. The real people from that land are told twice they will have their country, twice they're screwed over.
I don't blame the Palestinians for anything. There should be no homeland for the Jews in the area that is Israel. It should be somewhere else............ How about Montana? Delaware? Idaho? North Dakota? Sascatchewan Canada?
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There should be no homeland for the Jews in the area that is Israel.
Is it the Palestinians fault that the Ottoman's sided with the wrong side? Of course not. However, that is just the way of the world. When they lost, the area was split up and divided at the bequest of the newly formed UN, who had good intentions (albeit did not fully understand the full scope).
How many times has this happened around the world? It is constant. The Aztecs and Mayans no longer control Central and South America. The Huns no longer control the vast reaches of Asia and the Romans do not control Europe. In their stead, there have been wars and replacements of peoples and cultures.
It's not fair, it's not ideal, but it is how things have always been done. It's not like the past 3 generations can be undone there. So, now, what should happen there?
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