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Don't see Sheard going anywhere, and looks like the Colts are the front runner for Avril.
Out of curiosity... Where exactly DO you see Sheard playing? Horton ran 4 Down Lineman sets on just 5% of the snaps in Arizona. If they really thought Sheard was going to be an OLB in this system... they wouldn't be sinking huge money into Kruger/Avrill and they wouldn't be looking at drafting another OLB like Jones/Mingo/Jordan/Moore, etc with the 6th pick.
The writing is on the wall here...
I would only trade Sheard for a #1 or and early 2nd and 4th, he a valuable 4-3 rush end .... JMHO 
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I'm not saying Sheard is going anywhere but Charlie Casserly just said if we wanted to move Sheard we could get a 1st round pick for him.
I think Casserly is nuts but I'd take it if it was offered.
I agree, I dunno if Sheard can play in this 3-4. 1st round pick for Sheard would definitely work. I just get nervous about DE's who haven't play OLB doing it in the 3-4.
I just get worried we'll be seeing Sheard run around like Kenard Lang
EDIT: Yeah, trade Sheard for a 1st, try to get back Matt Roth and sign Kruger. At least with that we know what we're getting. Then we got two firsts and a third
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I'm not saying Sheard is going anywhere but Charlie Casserly just said if we wanted to move Sheard we could get a 1st round pick for him.
Casserly wouldn't just throw that out there if there was nothing to it. Like I've been saying.. writing is on the wall with Sheard. I really like Sheard.. but he's not a good fit in the 3-4. I'd be satisfied with recouping the 2nd rounder we spent on him and another mid-late round pick. But if we could somehow pry a 1st rounder from somebody that would be outstanding!
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I have no idea about Sheard as an 3-4 OLB, but I do remember seeing a film break down of how effective he was rushing the passer while standing up. I'm not completely sure he's "just" a 4-3 DE.
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Don't see Sheard going anywhere, and looks like the Colts are the front runner for Avril.
Out of curiosity... Where exactly DO you see Sheard playing? Horton ran 4 Down Lineman sets on just 5% of the snaps in Arizona. If they really thought Sheard was going to be an OLB in this system... they wouldn't be sinking huge money into Kruger/Avrill and they wouldn't be looking at drafting another OLB like Jones/Mingo/Jordan/Moore, etc with the 6th pick.
The writing is on the wall here...
I would only trade Sheard for a #1 or and early 2nd and 4th, he a valuable 4-3 rush end .... JMHO
I agree... the kid is a heck of a player so don't give him away. But, let's not be foolish... trade him now while he still has 1st/2nd round-ish value. If we start screwing around and trying to make him a 3-4 OLB and it doesn't work his trade value will be shot.
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A lot has happened since Friday 
Avril n Kruger both will be Over paid well like any op tier FA let alone a pass rusher.
Avril: Although I think physically he will be best utilized in a 3-4 LB role - for 4-3 he is considered undersized for the Run so he would be a Specialist rather than 3 down - LB he can be 3 down. I like him for our pass rush needs. BUT...n this is a BIG BUTT! To spend that kind of money on a PROJECT for the 3-4 I think is unwise n hope we are not that desperate. He COULD be good for us in the future. Then there is that BUTT.
Kruger...to me spells very very solid not Dominating or anything, not the Straw to stir the drink. But would be our best OLB in our 3-4 also he would be able to mentor a lot of youngsters on the team or coming onto our team But he has game.
Gocong should become expendable unless we are looking for him to move ILB w/DQ???
Kruger would become so much more "ALL THAT" if we end up drafting an Ansah, Jones or Jordan...in my eyes the big 3 n in that order. He is more a complimentary player than THE GUY that elevates all others.
Django...The up front stuff...I hear ya. This might be just a different circumstance due to the New CBA - They give teams 3 years starting with this 2013 season to get at 89% of the Cap...MANDATORY. Now starting this year meaning 2013/14/15 the avg of the 3 seasons have to be 89%. So if we are at 85% this year we got to make up the difference the next two season.
But I think we can all agree the BIG JUMP has to be this season. Not a matter of us making a move to WIN NOW as much as got to get as close to 89% as possible if not a little more than 89% Right now we are around 48 mil under the cap.
As for the player taking the money for one year n moving on to another big check...Well if his name isn't Stallworth I wouldn't be too worried on that. Cause if his game goes down nobody is going to pay that kind of money especially if we are talking Kruger who seems like an Over Achiever type. If his Over Achieve stuff goes down his value drops. Avril maybe different...cause he has those physical attributes - they might say well he wasn't meant to be w/3-4 n he will still get $$$ due to his "POTENTIAL".
But If we load it a bit up front I see it better than asking the guy to re-structure to make room later. We got it now...lets not get into a bind for 2014/15/etc that we might need room to sign our developing players that actually make the grade.
JMHO - well getting use the idea of getting Kruger...but it will be such a better pickup if we draft that stud on the other side.
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If only Casserly had a first to give.
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'Browns look like the favorites to land Kruger' http://sports.yahoo.com/news/browns-look-favorites-land-kruger-155025391--nfl.htmlBy Joe Fortenbaugh | National Football Post The Cleveland Browns haven’t notched more than five wins in a season since 2007. But with a new front office at the controls and plenty of cap room at the team’s disposal, it looks as if the Browns are ready to turn the page on their recent shortcomings by arming up for the 2013 campaign. Kruger's monster postseason is going to result in a hefty pay raise. The first step in that process appears to be locking down an agreement with free agent outside linebacker Paul Kruger. Per Aaron Wilson of the Baltimore Sun, the Browns “are closing in” on a deal for the four-year veteran out of Utah. While nothing official can shake down until the new league year begins at 4:00pm EST Tuesday, that apparently hasn’t stopped the Browns from looking to get a head start on the free agent frenzy. The 27-year-old Kruger started just six games in 2012, but recorded a career-high 9.0 sacks during the regular season and then went nuclear during Baltimore’s Super Bowl run, amassing another 4.5 sacks in four games to go along with his 14 tackles, one forced fumble and one fumble recovery. Kruger’s reportedly drawn interest from multiple teams around the league, but the Browns appear to have emerged as the frontrunners to close the deal. We’ll see if Cleveland can finish the job come 4:00pm EST. (end)
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Don't see Sheard going anywhere, and looks like the Colts are the front runner for Avril.
Out of curiosity... Where exactly DO you see Sheard playing? Horton ran 4 Down Lineman sets on just 5% of the snaps in Arizona. If they really thought Sheard was going to be an OLB in this system... they wouldn't be sinking huge money into Kruger/Avrill and they wouldn't be looking at drafting another OLB like Jones/Mingo/Jordan/Moore, etc with the 6th pick.
The writing is on the wall here...
I see him standing up as an OLB pass rusher initially, then dropping into coverage as he progresses. Kruger? Pass Rusher. Jordan, pass rusher. Jones, coverage/run/rush. Mingo, coverage/run/rush. Ziggy & Moore pass rushers.
We have no idea who they're ultimately going to end up with, but why would they get rid of Sheard then draft Ziggy/Moore/Jordon. We need two good pass rushers who can eventually drop into coverage and a third swing/rotational guy.
We could easily keep Sheard, pick up Kruger in FA and draft Jones or Mingo. If we grab Kruger, I don't see us drafting Ziggy, Moore or Jordan unless for some stupid reason we traded Sheard. If you pick up Kruger in FA, you don't get rid of Sheard then draft Ziggy, Moore or Jordan. That would be ridiculous.
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jc. Sign Kruger, draft Jones to be our Suggs on the other side, ( yeah a push and a hope I know). Move Gocong to ILB, next to DQ . we have a few for depth, or move Sheard ( if we can get a high 2nd, low first) and land a decent CB All of a sudden our D looks respectable. 
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I'm not saying Sheard is going anywhere but Charlie Casserly just said if we wanted to move Sheard we could get a 1st round pick for him.
If only Casserly had a first to give.
I just don't get it...we finally hit on 2nd rounders and people want to get rid of them for some late 1st in a weak draft at the top AFTER we've gone through the "experience" year with that player and he's about to hit his prime...makes perfect sense, why should we keep a good player?
If we trade away Sheard...is it then officially a teardown? And if we do, we better get much more than some low 1st...league PROVEN good young players have much more value than POTENTIALLY good young players
Only scenario I'd accept is if we sign 2 FA OLBs (Kruger + Dumerville?) to start and trade Sheard for a 1st this and a conditional 2nd/3rd next draft
Remember the last time we switched to a 3-4? Mangini traded away KW and BE for less than investment....if we go that route AGAIN, those clowns better get more and sign some solid guys to replace them asap....not some 2nd round Veikune and Robo/Massa prayers anymore please
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 That would be a wish come true...getting a first for Sheard? Cowboys? Giants? Do Vikings need a DE in a 4-3?
Come on Casserly...spill who that GM is...Doh...its Lombardi 
JMHJoking around but still that would be nice!
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Not me dude, I think Sheard has just begun to scratch the surface of his ability. I'm dying to see him stand up as an OLB, rushing the passer. And, I think his abilities will translate into coverage.
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I changed it and put it in purple... I was being sarcastic. We need to keep Sheard.
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I just don't get it...we finally hit on 2nd rounders and people want to get rid of them
Not me dude, I think Sheard has just begun to scratch the surface of his ability. I'm dying to see him stand up as an OLB, rushing the passer. And, I think his abilities will translate into coverage.
I didn't say I wanted to get rid of Sheard I like him alot, what I'm trying to say if the "Team" decides to trade him they better get alot for him ... 
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I can get behind the Sign Kruger, Draft Ansah, Jordan or Jones, and trade Sheard for a 1st round pick, but honestly I think it would better for the team to get a first round pick next and like a 4th or 5th this year. The 1st round pick next year could give the Browns ammo to try and trade up for T. Bridgewater or Johnny Football.
Players I would like to see the Browns Sign:
1) Kruger: Would give the browns flexibility and would be a mentor for a young team. Hopefully he would continue his dominant post-season.
2) Captain Munnerylin (sp) 1) I love his name 2) He is a fantastic 3rd/slot corner guy. He shouldn't be that expensive.
3) DRC; I know this guy has a past but he is an excellent cover corner and would form a young tandem with Haden (I like Milliner but doubt he will be available, I think the Lions are going to take him).
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Even if Sheard can never cover he will always be able to rush the passer. There will even be times when his hand is in the ground. All of our pass rushers will be coming from different places on the field and different positions, signing Kruger does not mean we are trading Sheard.
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I just don't get it...we finally hit on 2nd rounders and people want to get rid of them
Not me dude, I think Sheard has just begun to scratch the surface of his ability. I'm dying to see him stand up as an OLB, rushing the passer. And, I think his abilities will translate into coverage.
I didn't say I wanted to get rid of Sheard I like him alot, what I'm trying to say if the "Team" decides to trade him they better get alot for him ...
I get that, I wasn't referring to you. But how silly would it be to get rid of Sheard for a 2nd or low 1st then draft a pass rushing tweener DE at #6 that you're going to convert to OLB? Heads would roll. 
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I just don't get it...we finally hit on 2nd rounders and people want to get rid of them
Not me dude, I think Sheard has just begun to scratch the surface of his ability. I'm dying to see him stand up as an OLB, rushing the passer. And, I think his abilities will translate into coverage.
I don't think anyone WANTS to get rid of him. They want what they think is best for Horton's D.
I want Sheard to fit in as an effective piece.
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I get it. Just don't get the talk about getting rid of him because he played 4-3 DE, then drafting guys like Ziggy, Moore or Jordan. You take one of them if you don't get Kruger, but you don't get rid of Sheard.
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Sheard's numbers dropped a bit last year for a couple of reasons.
Big Phil injured, Joe Haden suspension, Rubin Injured
Sheard was asked to play a more disciplined edge this year, which he did. He was very good against the run but his pass rush slipped a bit because some of those doubles that were going after our interior now is going at him.
Sheard will be fine and I honestly expect great things from him this year. It may come in the 2nd half of the season but it will come.
Kruger and Sheard is a nice combination at OLB but I would not be surprised if we were to add Jones on draft day. Keep everyone fresh with 3 man rotation.
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Sheard will be fine and I honestly expect great things from him this year. It may come in the 2nd half of the season but it will come.
Kruger and Sheard is a nice combination at OLB but I would not be surprised if we were to add Jones on draft day. Keep everyone fresh with 3 man rotation.
^ This. Plus we'll need someone on the outside who can drop into coverage on day one.
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It is funny, but sheard probably dropped into coverage more than kruger last year.
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I don't get the concern over Sheard. Coming into the NFL the many thought he was going to be a 3-4 outside linebacker. Then last year he starts standing up as a pass rusher and is perfectly effective.
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1st round pick for a ??? transition for LB in a 3-4 D he never played? I liked Sheard in our 4-3 but he needed that opposite DE. For us we will expect to move him to the otherside...where he had problems moving from his comfortable position of DE? Did we all forget? Now he will go there against the Left Tackles in a totally new position of OLB.
Can he make the transition...I guess so. But to trade him for a 1st rounder? Heck YEAH!!! He was drafted to play in our 4-3 Defense I thought worth it but also thought we would be in that D long term! When Sheard was coming out were teams considering him for 3-4?
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I like Sheard but no way would be traded for a first rounder. No way.
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What's the difference in moving Sheard to OLB or drafting a DE like Ziggy, Moore or Jordan other than Sheard has experience and we know he can get to the QB? Trade Sheard for a #1? Where? With who? How high? Then draft a pass rushing DE @ #6? That's crazy talk, tabber, crazy talk.
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It is funny, but sheard probably dropped into coverage more than kruger last year.
Hm... can't say I recall seeing him do that, but it strengthens the case for keeping him. How'd he do?
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I'm not saying Sheard is going anywhere but Charlie Casserly just said if we wanted to move Sheard we could get a 1st round pick for him.
And that might be true.. I'd love to see if Sheard can do the job, but hey, get a first for him for this year or maybe even next.. that could be what we need to move up to draft the QB of the future next year.. that might actually be part of the plan.
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What's the difference in moving Sheard to OLB or drafting a DE like Ziggy, Moore or Jordan other than Sheard has experience and we know he can get to the QB? Trade Sheard for a #1? Where? With who? How high? Then draft a pass rushing DE @ #6? That's crazy talk, tabber, crazy talk.
Crazy talk? strong sentiments for Sheard - the fact you have to ask the difference between Sheard n Ziggy Ansah...tells me why bother to debate...oh right this ain't a debate just some Crazy Talk come on dawg really? You don't see the difference? Did you see Sheard drop into coverage? Not a pretty sight.
Are you being sarcastic about drafting an Edge Rusher at #6 in Lieu of Sheard being Crazy? Me Trade with Cowboys n draft that stud Edge Rusher Ziggy or Jones at #6 n pick up Warmack for our LG w/that 2nd 1st rounder. or Cooper or best Safety/DB/CB on the board??? or TE? Many picks to make this team better than Sheard as a project OLB on the edge that he couldn't play in 3 point his more comfortable position...I am assuming "CRAZY TALK" was just funning...  bazinga you got me...
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Hell, when you look at this draft, how many of those guys would you trade Sheard for right now? Everyone starts drooling over a first but there is no DE or OLB in this draft that is as good as Sheard in both playing the run and rushing the passer.
Jones, Moore, Werner are good pass rushers but they are extremenly vulnerable in the run. Ansah is lacking in pass rush skills. Jordan isn't really good at either right now. Mingo isn't really good at anything right now.
It is easy to say woo hoo first for Sheard but we know he can be a double digit sack guy and we know he can now play the run pretty good. Outside of Millner and Rhodes, there is no one else in this draft I would trade for Sheard right now.
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I get your passion, and I do like Ziggy, but honestly, today, do I trade him straight up for Sheard. Call me crazy, but I don't know that I do. Hey, how about this scenario, let's take this phantom team that wants to give up a first for Sheard, trade down with them, take their first and second, let them have Ziggy, Jordon or whoever else they may want, then fill our needs at both corner and pass rusher later in the draft? I'd do that deal. Now all we have to do is identify the phantom Casserly team willing to give up a first for Sheard.
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thanks tab for the explanation of the new cap rules. that was the first time i had seen how the cap works for the ceiling and the floor. i also didn't hear about the 89% average over the 3 years. reguardless we need to spend some cash this year. hope they alow for new contracts for joe, tj and mack.
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Yeah lets argue some more about this Fantasy 1st rounder...lol 
But I still value these pass rushers in this draft not many but at least two on my list - Ziggy will be special...I only see Sheard as maybe becoming good/ok. I want game changer.
JMHO - trade back...only if its a couple spots so somebody moves up to get their Left Tackle n we still get our guy plus a 2nd rounder 3rd at the worst.
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I'm a bit worried about Sheard fitting in, but at the very least, we should see how it works, no?
I don't really care about trading for draft picks. If we have to deal him next year cause it doesn't work, which forces our hand and we get a lesser pick... so be it. I'll take my chances waiting and seeing.
I'm actually really excited to see what Ray Horton can do with this group, and if he can bring some of that winning/closing attitude over from his Steeler days.
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Keenan Lewis is popping up again from Berea via NFL Network.
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$8 or $9 million is less than I thought it would cost.
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