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Unless he has an awful year and leverage swings the FO's way, there's no way he's taking less than $20 million guaranteed. He is, by most accounts, one of the top 5 CBs in the league. Offering him guaranteed money by way of roster bonuses in the later years of the deals screams "we're going to cut you before then". I think big money upfront is what it will take to keep him around. And if he hits the open market someone will be more than happy to give it to him.
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The joy of the deal I suggest is that it's in no way backloaded.
A backloaded deal would include some ridiculous salary in the final year or 2 that they player would never see.
37% of the total value in the final two years plus minuscule (by NFL standards) money upfront would be highly unlikely to get the deal done.
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Unless he has an awful year and leverage swings the FO's way, there's no way he's taking less than $20 guaranteed. He is, by most accounts, one of the top 5 CBs in the league. Offering him guaranteed money by way of roster bonuses in the later years of the deals screams "we're going to cut you before then". I think big money upfront is what it will take to keep him around. And if he hits the open market someone will be more than happy to give it to him.
i don't think so. guaranteed roster bonus' are basically salary. if it's guaranteed, then the cap hit is the same if you keep him or cut him. the guys that get cut are the ones that have the huge non-guaranteed roster bonus' that are setup to renegotiate the contract at that point (remember McNair's $50mil roster bonus?)
I do agree that he'll be taking in at least 50% guaranteed. I just don't think he'll care much in how it's structured as long as it's setup in a way for him to ensure himself most of the $$.
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You can still cut a player before paying him a prorated bonus (see the Colts with Manning's option last season) and while the team will take an accelerated cap hit on any signing bonus, the player won't see the money.
Bonuses paid during the off-season (reporting, roster, workout, etc) can't be prorated.
I suppose they could guarantee some or all of his salary in later years of the deal, but what's the likelihood in that?
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Cleveland Browns are serious about signing tight end Fred Davis, report says | cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ss..._special-reportCLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns and Redskins are serious about signing Washington tight end Fred Davis, 27, sources have told ESPN's Adam Schefter. Davis (6-4, 247) is widely regarded as the most talented tight end left on the free agent market, but he comes with some issues. If the Browns can get Davis at the right price, he might worth the risks. For starters, Davis suffered a torn Achilles tendon in week seven last season and is still working his way back from the injury. An Achilles can take a year or more to fully recover from. What's more, Davis was suspended for four games in 2011 for failing drug tests, and faces a year-long suspension if he violates the terms of the NFL's substance abuse policy again. He's also being sued by a woman who claims he threw juice on her at a bar in 2011. Despite the issues, the Redskins recognize Davis' immense talent and are determined to re-sign him. The Browns apparently also feel the rewards could outweigh the risks. Both teams are probably hoping to get Davis at a bargin. In 2011, he posted career-highs in receptions (59) and yards (796). He also caught three TD passes that year. Last season, he caught 24 passes for 325 yards before suffering the Achilles tear. In an interview with 92.3 The Fan last week, Davis, a Toledo native, said it would be "awesome'' to return to Ohio and play for the Browns if he didn't re-sign with the Redskins. He also said money wouldn't drive his decision. "I mean, you want to end up somewhere where you know you could fit and feel comfortable,” Davis told 92.3 The Fan. "If you’re talking about two or three million dollars difference with a team, I would rather go for happiness any day than some more money. I’d rather be somewhere where I know that they’re gonna use me to the best of my ability, believe in me, a team that wants to give me a chance to come in and help them any kind of way, right away, and let’s win some games. That’s what I want. I don’t want to just go for the money and just start losing. I kind of want to be in a position where I can help a team win.'' The Browns also signed former Panthers tight end Gary Barnidge on Wednesday, but he's more of a reserve tight end and special teams player.
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Browns | Fred Davis update Thu, 14 Mar 2013 06:43:26 -0700 The Cleveland Browns are serious about signing free-agent TE Fred Davis (Redskins), according to a league source familiar with Davis' thinking. 49ers | Nnamdi Asomugha expected to sign Thu, 14 Mar 2013 08:33:02 -0700 Free-agent CB Nnamdi Asomugha (Eagles) is visiting the San Francisco 49ers and he is expected to sign with the team. Link
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I think it is a good sign that the Redskins want Davis back despite Paulsen playing well for them. That speaks to their expected recovery in him.
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We wouldn;t get much out of Davis this year, if we sign him.
He's probably going to be unable to get to full speed for half the season, and he'll have a 4 game drug suspension to deal with.
Man, I love the guy's talent, but he has issues, on top of editions, on top of volumes.
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For starters, Davis suffered a torn Achilles tendon in week seven last season and is still working his way back from the injury. An Achilles can take a year or more to fully recover from.
What's more, Davis was suspended for four games in 2011 for failing drug tests, and faces a year-long suspension if he violates the terms of the NFL's substance abuse policy again. He's also being sued by a woman who claims he threw juice on her at a bar in 2011.
I can put up with a torn achilles and failed drug tests, but man, throwing juice on a woman in a bar is going too far - unforgiveable.
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Wasn't his 4 game suspension already served in 2011?
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For starters, Davis suffered a torn Achilles tendon in week seven last season and is still working his way back from the injury. An Achilles can take a year or more to fully recover from.
What's more, Davis was suspended for four games in 2011 for failing drug tests, and faces a year-long suspension if he violates the terms of the NFL's substance abuse policy again. He's also being sued by a woman who claims he threw juice on her at a bar in 2011.
I can put up with a torn achilles and failed drug tests, but man, throwing juice on a woman in a bar is going too far - unforgiveable.
Sounds like she had it coming 
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Ah .... I missed that.
Thanks for clearing it up.
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How did Ohio State let a guy from Toledo go to USC?
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For starters, Davis suffered a torn Achilles tendon in week seven last season and is still working his way back from the injury. An Achilles can take a year or more to fully recover from.
What's more, Davis was suspended for four games in 2011 for failing drug tests, and faces a year-long suspension if he violates the terms of the NFL's substance abuse policy again. He's also being sued by a woman who claims he threw juice on her at a bar in 2011.
I can put up with a torn achilles and failed drug tests, but man, throwing juice on a woman in a bar is going too far - unforgiveable.
Sounds like she had it coming
Maybe she was on fire
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if we are going to avoid all players with on the NFL's drug list, then we are going to have a tough time filling out a team. no extension for Haden. the only issue is his Achilles. if he is on track to be healthy, then we sign him. the fact that two teams are looking to sign him indicates that it is likely he will be ready to go. he has been cleared to start running, so that is a good sign and everywhere I looked says it is a 6-8 month recovery process (this is month 4). http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/foot...sical-activity/
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The problem isn't that he's had a drug suspension ...... it's that the next one is a year long suspension.
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The problem isn't that he's had a drug suspension ...... it's that the next one is a year long suspension.
I read that if he's signed he still has a 4 game suspension to serve... but now I can't find where it was that I read that. Can anybody confirm??
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That is not true. He served a four game suspension in 2011.
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How did Ohio State let a guy from Toledo go to USC?
If you were a Top Notch TE recruit you wouldn't have gone and played for Jim Tressel either. Seeing as how he was allergic to using TE's in his offense. Fred Davis definitely made the right decision for himself... as much as I love Ohio State..
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That is not true. He served a four game suspension in 2011.
So that's behind him then.. even better! Only baggage he's really bringing is the injury then. Hope they can get this done!
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That is not true. He served a four game suspension in 2011.
So that's behind him then.. even better! Only baggage he's really bringing is the injury then. Hope they can get this done!
Well, injury and the issue of if he fails another drug test he's out for the year.
Injury aside, can't they put in his contract that if he tests positive for drugs, they don't have to pay him? I mean, they can offer incentives for good production,, can't they offer disincentives for his off field actions that effect the team? Kinda like a morality clause.. (not sure I'm saying that right)
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The problem isn't that he's had a drug suspension ...... it's that the next one is a year long suspension.
so, are you saying we shouldn't extend Joe Haden?
drug suspensions happen in the NFL. if he gets another one, then at least we don't have to pay him and we can backfill with someone else. it's the NFL. it's how things are done.
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Joe Haden had one incident, which seems more like a single stupid incident than anything else. It doesn't seem like something he's going to do all the time. If I'm wrong, then we should look hard at whether or not we want to commit huge dollars to a guy with a drug problem.
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Fred Davis apparently was a pot smoker. He failed 2 tests. He has said that is behind him and he hasn't failed a test since (granted not very long).
In the NFL, you cannot just not sign someone because of 2 failed tests for recreational drugs or your list of potential FAs would dwindle quickly.
I guess I don't get why you think 1 failed test for PEDs is okay, but 2 failed tests for pot is not.
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Because the circumstances are different.
Haden had a single incident. It was stupid. However, there isn't a pattern.
If a guy is smoking pot, and has been caught more than once, then the team has to do their homework and make sure that they don't lose a guy they are depending on for an entire year. We probably lost at least 2 games last year because we lost Haden to suspension. Imagine if we rely on Davis at TE, and he decides to smoke it up to celebrate and fails another test and is done for the year. Where are we then?
You seem to want to imply that Haden's drug use is worse than Davis smoking pot, but it isn't in the eyes of the NFL. It's the same thing. A failed test is a failed test. Davis has failed 2 tests, The next one is a year suspension.
Haden did a stupid thing, but it was a one time thing as far as we know. If it's not, then the browns need to protect themselves as far as their contract with him goes.
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The problem isn't that he's had a drug suspension ...... it's that the next one is a year long suspension.
so, are you saying we shouldn't extend Joe Haden?
I'll jump in on this one. I think anybody who is saying to extend Joe Haden THIS off-season is completely nuts. The guy has 2 years left on his deal... and just missed 5 games this year... 4 due to suspension for using a prescription drug for recreational purposes. Do NOT reward bad behavior. I want him re-signed at some point... but signing him this off-season sends the wrong message. "Oh that's ok... got suspended by the league? No problem. Here Joe... Here's another 25M guaranteed...enjoy! "
He's a great talent but he needs to earn that 2nd contract.
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True..next off season...maybe - this one. Only Mack maybe???
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Agree - Extend Mack this off-season but no rush... it can be done after the draft.
Also.... Browns better get cracking. Dominos are starting to fall for CB's and the Browns are going to get shut out if they don't make a move here quick. Can't believe they didn't make a run at Lewis and it appears they're gonna miss out on Cason as well. Talib was always my personal #1 choice at CB but it doesn't even appear that they're interested....
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I can't overall argue with you but:
1) we are required to spend a certain amount of money - if we cover what we need in FA and have extra money, I'm ok with extending now
2) flip side of that, if we extend him now, we reduce the risk of overspending for the future an missing out on extending him next year.
Not saying either will happen, just calling out some exceptions. Regardless, extend Mack now is a very, very good idea.
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I've said this before - pull of a trade with GB for Sam Shields. He's got a 2nd round tender - so offer a 3rd next year. Maybe add in Colt if they're still interested in him. I'd go with upping it to a 2nd next year and Colt. He's 25 with some good experience and talent IMHO.
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I believe TJ Ward will be a FA at the end of the year as he signed a 4-year deal in 2010 as opposed to Haden's 5-year contract. So he would be a possible candidate as well for an extension.
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Browns better get cracking. Dominos are starting to fall for CB's and the Browns are going to get shut out if they don't make a move here quick. Can't believe they didn't make a run at Lewis and it appears they're gonna miss out on Cason as well. Talib was always my personal #1 choice at CB but it doesn't even appear that they're interested....
They're too concerned with getting a QB they don't need because the starting QB will have to be "their guy" (whether he's better than Weeden or not) kinda like what Holmgren and Heckert did with McCoy. Can't wait to see who they get, and what they give for him.
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.... Browns better get cracking. Dominos are starting to fall for CB's it doesn't even appear that they're interested....
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