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Of all the positions the Browns did not need to spend cap space dollars on...the DL was near the top of the list.
The Browns need a CB, S and "possibly" another LBer on the defensive side and WR, TE and "possibly" a stud OG on offense, all before the Browns needed to dump millions on a DLineman.
As much as the Kruger signing makes since, this Bryant signing makes absolutely no sense when it comes to addressing the teams needs.
We had a ton of money to blow so why not spend it at the deepest part of our teams positional depth at DL? - color me purple
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I guess in the end if we don't have all of the part to the puzzle we still cant see the picture the same. The hard pill to swallow is that we have 5 high quality DL. and we have glaring holes at CB,FS P,K, FB,TE - possible holes at WR, LB G and lots of the depth.
the Groves signing helps a little- for depth but I sure hope that the other two can stay on the field and be highly productive for at least 16 games.
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I think with Desmond Bryant's signing it's a clear indication Horton wants to add people who can put pressure on the QB on the defensive line. I think that extends to the NT position as well. I don't think Rubin fits that mold and why I think he may be gone.
I think we all knew that Horton likes to attack, but I disagree w/you on Rubin. Look at the 3-4 defenses of Pittsburgh and Baltimore. Their NTs are big run stuffers. They are not quicker pass rushers. Rubin is actually a quicker rusher than either of those two guys.
I think it is fairly clear that we are going to need to sub in defensive linemen in our aggressive, attacking defense. Let's face it, defensive linemen are rotated in and out more than any other unit on the field. Our style will lend itself to substituting even more.
I think it is great that we are going to be strong in the trenches. Having a good OL and DL is huge!
Now, I am not saying that we will not get rid of anyone. It could happen, but I would think it would be Taylor, if anyone. He would have the most value. But, I hope we keep them all and have an excellent DL.
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WOW... I think we overpaid some for this guy.. 5 years $34 million with $15 guaranteed....
Is he worth that much??
He is a disruptor who had 36 tackles and 4 sacks in 16 gms last season. He had 11 QB hits/20 hurries/35 total pressures. The 35 pressures were good for 4th for DTs in the NFL last season.
He is a good pick up and will help our defense. I think he is worth the money. 
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Bryant was the best DLinemen on the market..smart thing to get him.
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Now, I am not saying that we will not get rid of anyone. It could happen, but I would think it would be Taylor, if anyone. He would have the most value. But, I hope we keep them all and have an excellent DL.
Hey, I agree with you.. at the very least let the group play out this year and see who shakes out as the most valuable and then make a move next year if you think one of them is expendable or can be used to upgrade somewhere else..
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a question to ponder: it's based on potential until we actually see it, but we may have the best 3-4 DL in the NFL now. Starters, depth, youth, production/experience - we have it all.
oh, and because Taylor, Winn, Hughes (and Kitchen) are all on their first contracts, it is not an overly expensive DL on our cap either.
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There is almost no chance Rubin gets moved. At Horton's introductory press conference, the first player he singled out being excited about was Rubin and how he gets all over the field... started the whole "big men that can run" diatribe. I'm more worried about Taylor getting moved. I don't think he will be, but I think it's a possibility. I think a DL of Taylor/Hughes at LE, Tuba Rube/Kitchen at NT, and Bryant/Winn at RE sounds like a winner to me. And yes, this takes a lot of pressure off to take a guy like Datone Jones, Quinton Dial, AJ Francis, etc. in the draft. With the deals these guys got.... who's still mad Banner is our guy? 
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Like the DL Depth, but Kind of surprised by this move. Didn't seem like a "Need" that required this big of a deal.
Figured CB and FS would be priority. Hope this move doesn't hurt our ability to land a quality starter in the secondary before the draft. If we go in to the draft with Buster penciled as a starting corner I fear we will be trading picks to move up a few spots for Millner.
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I know we need to spend the cap space, but its really really nice to see that the Browns are actively engaged in FA for once. Now we need to get some elite talent on the offensive side.
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Starters, depth, youth, production/experience - we have it all.
Possibly, but we have to turn the potential into practice. And I don't believe we are finished on the D front 7 yet...
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Like the DL Depth, but Kind of surprised by this move. Didn't seem like a "Need" that required this big of a deal.
Figured CB and FS would be priority. Hope this move doesn't hurt our ability to land a quality starter in the secondary before the draft. If we go in to the draft with Buster penciled as a starting corner I fear we will be trading picks to move up a few spots for Millner.
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Just clicking.
1. Bryant was said to be coming here around a couple of weeks ago??? Time flies could be just a week ago.
2. DL - Attack - Big guys who can run - spells ROTATION!!!
3. At least 7 needed. 2 NT, 4 DE n one versatile depth guy at the least.
4. We had NT all locked up: RUBIN n HUGHES...both are run Stuffers who can take on 2 blockers where I don't care ATTACK or READ n REACT...NT is a Blocker Eater! Taylor btw does not have the discipline to play NT in a 3-4. Does he have the explosion for DE...with a rotation I think so.
5. So we got NT with 2 in the rotation. Leaving us with Taylor n Winn for the DE position here...HELLO Dawgs - WE NEED TWO MORE!!!
6. So Bryant got added to the list...guess what we still need another. Plus a Versatile guy for depth. 
7. All should be 3 down guys. I can see Taylor coming out or moving to NT on passing downs. But expect - JONES/ANSAH, KRUGER, GROVES + more out there on passing downs Sheard/DQ/Gocong all over the place including DL all standing up
8. But lets not over react with all this. We only had 2 DE starters n needed 2 more who can START as we will be going with full motor n Need rotation.
Trade...only guy I see especially if we target OLB at #6 would be Sheard cause we have heard from Casserly he has good trade value for a 4-3 team who needs DE.
So far..nice pick ups. Kruger SOLB (better than Roth type of player), Groves (Edge guy who knows Hortons D to lead), Bryant (3-4 DE for our new attack D still need one more).
Hoping for a CB...Keenen Lewis? n a FS (old CB???) I don't see us signing Old.
So far so good.
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I agree. What doesn't make sense is people saying this signing doesn't make sense. Big men who are going to be running around need a blow every once in a while. When they are resting you don't want some crappy player filling in....this makes us deep and good. What's wrong with that? 
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I agree. What doesn't make sense is people saying this signing doesn't make sense.
Big men who are going to be running around need a blow every once in a while. When they are resting you don't want some crappy player filling in....this makes us deep and good.
What's wrong with that?
Nothing at all ...
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For those speculating on the future of our linemen, from Joe Banner: Quote:
(On if they will keep all their interior defensive linemen)- “There are three interior spots and we have six players from those spots who will probably make the team. It’s early to know that, we will see how the roster evolves. There’s no reason to think we have an abundance at this point. It’s a crucial area as we look at the team. We feel good about where we are at numbers wise.”
Link (Link is also the transcript to the Kruger press conference)
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I like the Bryant signing. It sends a signal as to what type of defense we are going to put on the field, Pittisburg, Baltimore, and now Cincinnati has ig, strong, and deep defensive lines. They rotate in and out shutting down the offenses running game and then pinning their ears back putting pressure on the quarterback. It has only taken the Browns 14 years but it looks like we have joined the AFC North.
Deep rotation defensive lines have also been a staple of the SEC in college football. With a strong point of attack defense it should improve the offense also. When the opposing team goes 3 and out more often it shortens the field for the offense.
To really complete the defense the secondary still needs some major work.
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So, we go with Bryant at one DE spot, we go with Taylor at the Nose and we go with Winn at the other DE spot(or some combination like that). We go with Kruger at "Linebacker" and everyone is pimping Sheard at the other... you know what that is? A five man front. 3 Defensive tackles and 2 defensive ends. Kruger isn't going to play off the line and I really don't see Sheard dropping in coverage either. Both will play up on the line. Now, when we go to the nickle, which most teams play over half the time, we will either lose one of those five linemen or one of our 2 real linebackers.... In a pass happy league, where teams are throwing ever more, playing with five linemen seems to be difficult at best..... I have to believe we will be trading some of these DT's and hopefully Sheard as well. He just doesn't fit anymore.
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You do realize who our new defensive coordinator is, right? We will be rushing five guys on most downs.
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Sheard, Kruger, Groves and whomever else is OLB will be standing up. That's what Kruger did in BMore.
Maybe we do run some 5-2.
Maybe some 3-4.
He'll we might even run some 4-3.
Why is having options so bad?
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Because he is a troll and can never be happy.
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Spirit, you are just being negative to be negative. You act like each guy is stuck in one position. You act like we will run only one front. How many times do you need to hear that it is very likely that we will be running multiple fronts and guys will be moving around a lot?
You think you would be excited about these acquisitions. We finally made some decent moves and you choose to dwell on the negatives.
Now, we still need big-time help in the secondary. We let Gholston go to TB. If you really want to complain, you could complain about that, at least that would make more sense.
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Spirit is not a troll. He is a long-time Brown's fan. Trust me on that one. He is bitter about the new regime though. He really liked the past regime and got upset when guys like me bashed them. I understand why he feels that way. Hopefully, he will come around. Just know he is no troll!
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Spirit is not a troll. He is a long-time Brown's fan. Trust me on that one. He is bitter about the new regime though. He really liked the past regime and got upset when guys like me bashed them. I understand why he feels that way. Hopefully, he will come around. Just know he is no troll!
oh man this is good stuff
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A press conference is set at 1pm to introduce Bryant if anyone is interested. Video stream should be available on the Browns' site.
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A press conference is set at 1pm to introduce Bryant if anyone is interested
Thanks, Memphis. I wonder if Lombardi will be in attendance...
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You can be a Browns fan and a troll. Quote:
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.
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I remember SpiritBro from the other board when I was there. He is a troll.
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A press conference is set at 1pm to introduce Bryant if anyone is interested
Thanks, Memphis. I wonder if Lombardi will be in attendance...
I guess I am wrong because nothing is online.
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They switched the press conference time to 2:30 EST.
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They switched the press conference time to 2:30 EST.
Maybe they are in negotiations and wanted to have another 90 minutes to clear it up.
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Should I be worried that he looks to be getting thrown around by an offensive lineman from Penn? 
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Spirit, you are just being negative to be negative. You act like each guy is stuck in one position. You act like we will run only one front. How many times do you need to hear that it is very likely that we will be running multiple fronts and guys will be moving around a lot?
You think you would be excited about these acquisitions. We finally made some decent moves and you choose to dwell on the negatives.
Now, we still need big-time help in the secondary. We let Gholston go to TB. If you really want to complain, you could complain about that, at least that would make more sense.
Fine. We will keep six defensive linemen, and in a 3-4 you need a LOT of linebackers so lets say we keep 7 or 8 of those. Four corners, three safeties.... I assume we're not planing on keeping much depth on the offensive side of the ball.....
We already HAD defensive tackles. We NEEDED a number of other positions. Like CORNER for instance. As it stands right now Buster Skrine is our starting corner opposite Haden. But yeah man, I'm just being negative. Well never let it be said I'm negative. We are in GLORIOUS shape. And since we are in such awesome shape, I CAN expect us to PLAY like it. I really DON'T care what they do. If they want to draft a kicker at #6 that's fine. But come September I BETTER be seeing a proper football team on the field. We didn't NEED a corner or more linebackers? We just HAD to have another DT? Great. I'm chuffed to bits about it. Because now that we got Bryant we are all set. And I expect to SEE how great this was in the fall. I don't want to hear one WORD about how it takes time to build a 3-4 and we just don't have the players yet.
Good job Banner and Lombardi. Now, go get us some more defensive linemen. Everyone knows the MOST important position in a 3-4 is the defensive line.
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But come September I BETTER be seeing a proper football team on the field.
And what's gonna happen if you don't see a "proper" football team on the field Spirit?
You gonna cry?
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