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Spirit, I know you don't think DL needed to be identified first but just because we sign one in the first couple of signings doesn't necessarily mean we prioritize it more or less than any other position. It could easily be the way negotiations went relative to other player and agent demands. There are a ton of good CBs available but it is not until today that most are starting to sign. Unfortunately, none with us but that is a separate matter.
I think the signing of someone like Bryant was important. Outside of Winn, I personally didn't think Horton had thought he had another starting DE on this roster. Bryant fixes that. We can talk about Taylor or Rubin being able to play DE in Horton's system (which I disagree with) but I assume based on the size of the contract, Bryant will be a starter.
We do need more LBs. Not sure what they're gonna do at the other ILB spot and they could use another pass rusher but they might give Sheard a fighting chance. The backup plan will be Groves or could be the #6 pick.
We do need more CBs..BAD. This is very worrisome for me at this point. After releasing Patterson and letting Brown walk, Skrine is the next man up . There are few worthwhile CBs left. Perhaps we'll make a move soon. We sure need it.
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But come September I BETTER be seeing a proper football team on the field.
And what's gonna happen if you don't see a "proper" football team on the field Spirit?
You gonna cry?
he will give the nasty ***SNICKER*** 
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You're telling me that the above post isn't the work of a troll?
I (and many others here) have "known" Spirit for years, and can assure you he is not a troll but a valued contributor to the board. I believe we all, at times, fit into part of the definition provided earlier...
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But come September I BETTER be seeing a proper football team on the field.
And what's gonna happen if you don't see a "proper" football team on the field Spirit?
You gonna cry?
Nope, just do what your kind did to the former staff. Call for their HEADS after ONE game. Fair is fair after all. And I''ll be calling YOU out on how wrong you were about this signing. But of course you'll be the one crying long and loud about how we just need more time. How switching to a 3-4 takes years and we don't have the linebackers for it.....
I love how people talk big sitting at a keyboard. Say things they wouldn't in person. Did you puff out your chest before writing that? *snicker* I *yawn* in your general direction....
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I think our starting DL is definitely Taylor/Rubin/Bryant. we can argue about where they play, but I would be very surprised if Winn started over any of them.
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You gonna cry?
Nope, just do what your kind did to the former staff. Call for their HEADS after ONE game. Fair is fair after all. And I''ll be calling YOU out on how wrong you were about this signing. But of course you'll be the one crying long and loud about how we just need more time. How switching to a 3-4 takes years and we don't have the linebackers for it.....
I love how people talk big sitting at a keyboard. Say things they wouldn't in person. Did you puff out your chest before writing that? *snicker* I *yawn* in your general direction....
Relax spirit....lets just see what happens buddy. We do have holes at corner, safety and tight end for sure. No doubt about it. Was hoping we would get sean smith or lewis from the steelers...but didnt happen. I dont exactly trust Mike or Joe either, but i know they along with the coaching staff are not dumb enough to open the season with Buster as a starting corner. Now we may be stuck with Young at safety for one more year. We shall see buddy.
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You gonna cry?
he will give the nasty ***SNICKER***
You guys crack me up. You talk big but get insulted by a simple *snicker* Hilarious. You wouldn't last two seconds in a real forum. You hide safely behind the rules here and snipe at those you disagree with. Knowing if I properly respond I get banned.
Come September we will find out who's correct. If we go 10-6 or better and make the playoffs then obviously you guys were right. Having six defensive linemen on the roster and playing a 5-2 front was GENIUS..... but if we still suck then the signing AND you were the OPPOSITE of that.....
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Nope, just do what your kind did to the former staff. Call for their HEADS after ONE game. Fair is fair after all. And I''ll be calling YOU out on how wrong you were about this signing. But of course you'll be the one crying long and loud about how we just need more time. How switching to a 3-4 takes years and we don't have the linebackers for it.....
I love how people talk big sitting at a keyboard. Say things they wouldn't in person. Did you puff out your chest before writing that? *snicker* I *yawn* in your general direction....
lol, you don't know obviously don't know "my kind". So don't lump me into some people. Do you have any idea of how I felt about Butch Davis, Romeo Crennel, Eric Mangini, or Pat Shurmur?
And your comments made me have to post my little zinger at you. I haven't commented on any of your posts, but you seemed to make some sort of threat in that post, and all I could do is laugh. Some guy I haven't seen around here really ever is making threats about how he'll be acting in September. lol
Now I would like to sign a CB too. And a Free Safety. And a Tight End. Those guys are high on the list I would like our management to get after, but I'm definitely not hitting the panic button yet. Afterall, Free Agency started on Tuesday, there's cornerbacks out there, there's the draft, and there's the cuts in June. Guys are still getting waived so teams can sign other players.........
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who knew our entire season hinged on whether or not to give $7mil to upgrade our DE spot?
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That's what I was thinking.
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It sort of clicked for me in an obvious sense today.
Maybe they signed Bryant because they are less comfortable starting a 2nd year 6th round 4-3 DE than we fans.
Makes a lot more sense when I remembered Winn isn't a sure thing to succeed next season. He played pretty damn well for a rookie though, very happy with him so far.
I would be surprised to not see at least 1 CB signing. If we can't snatch a CB 2 I'm sure we'll go with Milliner or Rhodes in the draft.
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Could definitely be true. But from everything I read, Browns are said to be excited about Winn's impact on the defense. And I could be mistaken but didn't he play a little 3-4 in BSU?
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That's what I was thinking.
Not our season, but this is a similar situation to Corey Williams in 2008. A guy successful as a DT in a 4-3 scheme and we try to move him into a 3-4 DE. Both got a heavy contract if not similar numbers.
If this flops we have a lot of dead money on our hands. But I am hopeful this will work out.
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Could definitely be true. But from everything I read, Browns are said to be excited about Winn's impact on the defense. And I could be mistaken but didn't he play a little 3-4 in BSU?
Looks like he did play 3-4 DE at Boise State. But I've never watched him do it, so may be he still needs some work. I wasn't too thrilled about Wynn being a starting DE. Made me pretty nervous.
I don't look at this signing as a bad thing, but there could be some truth to trading Phil Taylor or Rubin. I keep hearing it, although I definitely hope that isn't the case. You're not a fan of Rubin the NT, but I didn't see it that way at all. For me, he was one of the bright spots, and he's one of the few veteran guys left on this defense
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And I could be mistaken but didn't he play a little 3-4 in BSU?
Yep he did. Hughes also played end and nose in 3-4 in college.
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I think our starting DL is definitely Taylor/Rubin/Bryant. we can argue about where they play, but I would be very surprised if Winn started over any of them.
I believe I saw that Chud said the same thing. Rubin would start at DE. And we didn't just sign Bryant to have him sit the bench so I believe you are correct. Taylor at the nose, Bryant and Rubin at DE and Sheard and Kruger at "linebacker"
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I put linebacker in quotes because to me, a linebacker does more than stand up and play defensive end.
Hand down or up doesn't change the position. Now, you can all it anything you like. But standing a defensive end up and then having him play exactly like he would if his hand were down does not make him a linebacker. When I see Sheard covering a TE or RB 20 yards down field.,, When I see him pick off a couple passes? THEN he's a linebacker. Same goes for Kruger.
Now, I don't have a problem with ONE of our linebackers playing as an end. Most supposed 3-4 teams do have a linebacker that REALLY plays end. But TWO? I can't see that. That's why I hope we DO trade Sheard. So we can get another pick and take a real linebacker. One that can not only rush the passer, but cover as well.
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We also gave up a 2nd round pick for Williams. And Williams only played one position his entire career, while Bryant has played all along the line. And we will be running different types of defenses.
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Not our season, but this is a similar situation to Corey Williams in 2008. A guy successful as a DT in a 4-3 scheme and we try to move him into a 3-4 DE. Both got a heavy contract if not similar numbers.
If this flops we have a lot of dead money on our hands. But I am hopeful this will work out.
We gave up a 2nd round pick for Corey Williams. That isn't the case with this guy. And they're built very differently. This guys is 6'6 and 310. He looks like a 3-4 DE. He's tall and not that wide. Williams was a pretty wide guy (i'd prefer not to call athletes fat, lol. I bet they last as long as I do on the treadmill, so.........)
Now how their styles matchup, I dunno. But Williams was also in the wrong scheme. He did better when his job was to pass rush and get after the QB. When he got opportunities to do that, he was better. I think he got to play NT at one point on third downs and was better at that than DE. But he wasn't good as a disciplined protect your gap, eat blockers 3-4 DE. That's never been what he did, I remember him complaining about that
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It sort of clicked for me in an obvious sense today.
Maybe they signed Bryant because they are less comfortable starting a 2nd year 6th round 4-3 DE than we fans.
Makes a lot more sense when I remembered Winn isn't a sure thing to succeed next season. He played pretty damn well for a rookie though, very happy with him so far.
I would be surprised to not see at least 1 CB signing. If we can't snatch a CB 2 I'm sure we'll go with Milliner or Rhodes in the draft.
And that is fine. If they are retooling the line and are planning on trading or cutting a couple of our present crew I CAN get behind that. But they are saying they plan on carrying six DL and not trading anyone.
That's perhaps a ploy, but until we find OUT it's a ploy it worries me we were so concerned with DL we let a number of good corners pass.... and unless we get really lucky, I'll bet we don't get one at 6. If Skrine is our starter we better hope and pray we get to the QB every down.....
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You're not a fan of Rubin the NT, but I didn't see it that way at all. For me, he was one of the bright spots, and he's one of the few veteran guys left on this defense
I concede the past 3-4 sounds like it will be different than what Horton will run but I was never overly impressed with Rubin when he played NT. That's just one man's opinion and most likely I'm in the minority. Could he play it again? Sure. But I think we may be able to upgrade with Taylor- who admittedly is an unknown there but played some at Baylor. I like his size, speed, and although people will disagree, his ability to take on the double team in limited work last season. He also has a nasty streak. He's also younger. He also costs less. And not that this has any additional leverage, but many reports project Taylor as the NT in 2013 FWIW by people who know football for more than I. I am simply an armchair GM.
I think no matter what, Hughes could end up being the 2nd Stringer. Maybe they keep Kitchen as the 3rd guy if they want to go deep at NT. I just find it hard keeping both Taylor and Rubin at the money they're making to have one of them simply be on a rotation. But that's just me.
Also, FYI and saw this referenced from Profootballfocus, but Horton ran a 4-man front 5% of the time last year. By that number, this will be a defense almost entirely ran in a 3 lineman front. I don't see the versatility argument as many do for having guys that can play a 4-3 in certain situations. And that's fine. Let's just get the right pieces in place.
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I just find it hard keeping both Taylor and Rubin at the money they're making to have one of them simply be on a rotation.
Rubin is getting paid big time next season ($7.757M), Taylor not so much ($2,202,750).
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I concede the past 3-4 sounds like it will be different than what Horton will run but I was never overly impressed with Rubin when he played NT. That's just one man's opinion and most likely I'm in the minority. Could he play it again? Sure. But I think we may be able to upgrade with Taylor- who admittedly is an unknown there but played some at Baylor. I like his size, speed, and although people will disagree, his ability to take on the double team in limited work last season. He also has a nasty streak. He's also younger. He also costs less. And not that this has any additional leverage, but many reports project Taylor as the NT in 2013 FWIW by people who know football for more than I. I am simply an armchair GM.
I think no matter what, Hughes could end up being the 2nd Stringer. Maybe they keep Kitchen as the 3rd guy if they want to go deep at NT. I just find it hard keeping both Taylor and Rubin at the money they're making to have one of them simply be on a rotation. But that's just me.
Also, FYI and saw this referenced from Profootballfocus, but Horton ran a 4-man front 5% of the time last year. By that number, this will be a defense almost entirely ran in a 3 lineman front. I don't see the versatility argument as many do for having guys that can play a 4-3 in certain situations. And that's fine. Let's just get the right pieces in place.
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taylor is no problem money wise to keep.
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It's a free country..do what you want. If you don't like the rules, leave. There are other places to on the internet to discuss the Browns.
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ofcourse taylor being so cheap a contract makes him better trade prospect.
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And that he's only played for two years.... First round pick so I imagine he has three years left on that rookie contract
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What? You now on first name basis with Banner and Lombardi?
lol no sir....just to lazy to type their last names
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And that he's only played for two years.... First round pick so I imagine he has three years left on that rookie contract
just wonder how bad they want that 2nd round pick back. or trade for QB?
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you seem to think we are going into the season with Skrine as a starter. I'm willing to bet that will not be the case (barring an injury for whoever we get to replace Sheldon Brown).
Horton had one of the top pass defenses in the NFL last year. Let's see how we stack up to it:
CB1: Haden = Patterson (both have flaws, both have strengths, both young)
CB2: ?? > William Gay (yes, they started William Gay in 15 games. I think we can do better)
SS: Ward > Adrian Wilson (at least the 2012 version of Adrian)
FS: ?Rhodes? = Rhodes (they cut him, I expect to sign him)
And, the reason they got away with starting William Gay (Toler was their nickelback) was that Rhodes was there to help and they got great pressure on the QB.
Our current secondary isn't the one we are going with into the season.
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Nope, just do what your kind did to the former staff. Call for their HEADS after ONE game. Fair is fair after all. And I''ll be calling YOU out on how wrong you were about this signing.
And there it is in a nutshell. It's not about logic and reason w/you. It's about revenge.
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he will give the nasty ***SNICKER***
You guys crack me up. You talk big but get insulted by a simple *snicker* Hilarious. You wouldn't last two seconds in a real forum. You hide safely behind the rules here and snipe at those you disagree with. Knowing if I properly respond I get banned.
Come September we will find out who's correct. If we go 10-6 or better and make the playoffs then obviously you guys were right. Having six defensive linemen on the roster and playing a 5-2 front was GENIUS..... but if we still suck then the signing AND you were the OPPOSITE of that.....
zero doubt in my mind we go 10/6. its most about coaching. zero doubt in my mind we have the best coaching staff since the return.
as far as a real forum? lmao. what are you going to do? call me nasty names? lmao. just stick to football talk instead of the nonsence you posted on the other board. witch i got to admit you have been doing here. along with the snide remarks. but thats better than you have been since 2007.
being a browns fan is like taking your dog to vet every week to be put down...
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Yes, I could do that. Or I could make this my new home and become a thorn in your side..... Hmmm I wonder which would be more fun
Well Dude, I don't know you from Adam but the latter is pretty much the definition of a troll.
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