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The Patriots also re-signed Edelman ( link). They are obviously aiming for the shortest wide receiving corp ever (Amendola, Sanders, and Edelman) Also, this is great. Either the Steelers lose their #2 wide receiver or they have to make a bunch of cap adjustments to keep him (maybe even some cuts).
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That's kinda surprising to me.
It's not like Belichick to give up a draft pick.
Plus, Sanders has struck me as kind of average. He's decent, but not spectacular. He got to play the 3rd/4th receiver role last year, with Antonio Brown, Mike Wallace, and Plaxico Burress all taking attention away from him.
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That's kinda surprising to me.
It's not like Belichick to give up a draft pick.
I don't know about that. The article mentions that New England has already traded their 4th, 5th and 6th.
Seems like he finds a way to acquire 1st and 2nd rounders, and trades his mid-late rounders for playmakers with character issues. Randy Moss, Ocho, Talib, that RB from Cincy a few years ago.
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The Patriots also re-signed Edelman (link). They are obviously aiming for the shortest wide receiving corp ever (Amendola, Sanders, and Edelman)
Also, this is great. Either the Steelers lose their #2 wide receiver or they have to make a bunch of cap adjustments to keep him (maybe even some cuts).
Make a bunch of cap adjustments? It's a 2.5 mil deal for one year. Don't think their sweating over that. It really comes down to whether they want to pay him or get a 3rd rounder. My guess is they keep him.
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Yeah, I thought for sure the Patriots would frontload the contract so the Steelers couldn't match. I made that comment before I knew the details of the offer. I say the Steelers match that no problem.
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So, is Belichick just trolling the Steelers' cap space, then? Trying to get them to release Polamalu or something since they missed out on Reed?
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if I was Pitt, then I'd hand them Sanders for the 3rd round pick.
there are plenty of guys that fit the Sanders mold with much more upside that should be available with that pick (see: Bailey and Wheaton)
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I'd take the known commodity in Sanders over the draft pick every time.
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Yeah, I thought for sure the Patriots would frontload the contract so the Steelers couldn't match. I made that comment before I knew the details of the offer. I say the Steelers match that no problem.
Yeah, I looking back on the time of your comment, there was no way for you to know the $$ parameters. My bad.
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if I was Pitt, then I'd hand them Sanders for the 3rd round pick.
there are plenty of guys that fit the Sanders mold with much more upside that should be available with that pick (see: Bailey and Wheaton)
I wouldn't. Sanders (a known asset) played well for the Steelers. Their potential 3rd round pick (an unknown) is completely up in the air at this point.
Yes, it would cost more for Sanders than a third rounder one year deal but at least he has production. What other WR is on their roster? Seriously, I don't know-- beyond Antonio Brown and the 60 yr old Burress w/ a bullet wound?
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Something has to be said for familiarity as well. Sanders knows how the Steelers operate, their playbook, and what Roethlisberger likes to do. The Steelers also know what Sanders can do, how hard he will work, etc.
It's not like the Steelers just draft guys and they are good. If they did they would have Limas Sweed to to play and wouldn't be in this predicament. (Sweed was a 2nd round pick with a total of 69 receiving yards in his career. And we think Massaquoi, and Robiskie, were bad).
Also, if they draft a guy he will have to be play immediately, which is not the way the Steelers usually operate.
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Emmanuel Sanders is proven to be mediocre. 94 receptions and 5 TDs in 3 seasons. I'd take my chances on replacing him.
(let's put it this way: Boldin was only worth a 6th. If you can get a 3rd for Sanders, then take it and run - and yes, that accounts for age too)
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Emmanuel Sanders is proven to be mediocre. 94 receptions and 5 TDs in 3 seasons. I'd take my chances on replacing him.
I don't understand looking at statistics and using them as a determination of a player's ability.
Context is important.
Sanders was the #4 WR for most of the year as a rookie, on a team that relies heavily on their TE in the passing game, and still grabbed 28 balls for 376 yards and 2 TD's in 13 games. Read as a stat line, that's not impressive. Take it into context, it's a nice little season.
I wouldn't say he's an All-Pro, but I don't think he's proven himself to be mediocre. Last year was the first season in which he was on the field with some regularity, and he put up some solid numbers for a #3 WR, especially given the emphasis on TE in their passing game.
I wouldn't call a #3 WR (4th in team targets) putting up 626 yards on 44 catches - 31 for a first down - mediocre.
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i was just using stats to back up what i saw.
Pitt attempted to make him the WR2 last year with Mike Wallace holding-out/pouting/injured. Emmanuel did not look up to the task.
I'd gladly take Markus Wheaton or Stedman Bailey over him today.
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Wait a minute ....... (general comment)
So the Pats signed the #4 receiver on the Steelers, requiring them to give up their 3rd round pick if the Steelers don't match ..... and it's only a 1 year deal?
This one really doesn't make sense to me.
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Ravens do indeed lock up Rolando McCain, and for cheap too. One year at 700,000.00.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/10/ravens-agree-with-ronaldo-mcclain/
That's a "show me" deal ..... and really all that he deserved.
This move doesn't concern me any more than if they would have signed some UDFA.
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When was this?
Wallace only missed one game this year, the finale against Cleveland. He missed one start, and Sanders didn't start that game.
Sanders was the WR2 for seven games this year. Two of those games were with Charlie Batch starting. His numbers in that time were 22 catches for 379 yards, 17.2 YPC.
From what I've seen of him, he looked serviceable as a WR2. I'd play him outside in a pinch, but I think he excels as a #3/slot guy. He's not an All-Pro, he's been nicked by injury a bit, and he had two weeks of fumbling issues last year, but if I'm BB I'd give up a third rounder for him based on his production and potential.
On the flip side, if I'm the Steelers, I might consider that third and let him walk, but their WR corps is pretty weak right now, as well.
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Ravens do indeed lock up Rolando McCain, and for cheap too. One year at 700,000.00.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/10/ravens-agree-with-ronaldo-mcclain/
That's a "show me" deal ..... and really all that he deserved.
This move doesn't concern me any more than if they would have signed some UDFA.
idk... I agree it's a show me deal however, they have a stable environment to coddle a 23 year old ILB who was supposed to be a big time player in the NFL. Only time will tell but I think he will do well there/better than average.
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Ravens do indeed lock up Rolando McCain, and for cheap too. One year at 700,000.00.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/10/ravens-agree-with-ronaldo-mcclain/
That's a "show me" deal ..... and really all that he deserved.
This move doesn't concern me any more than if they would have signed some UDFA.
idk... I agree it's a show me deal however, they have a stable environment to coddle a 23 year old ILB who was supposed to be a big time player in the NFL. Only time will tell but I think he will do well there/better than average.
Yeah, I don't really like this signing.
McClain appears to be a headcase, but headcases can sometimes do quite well in the right environment.
It's a risk, but it's a cheap one. And the talent is there. The head probably isn't, but what's $700k?
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I agree that the Ravens used to have that environment ..... but they have lost 2 major guys who set the discipline in the locker room and on the field in Ray lewis and Ed Reed. Those 2 were the undisputed leaders on the defense, and they made sure that everyone was on the same page, and did as they were supposed to.
That is now missing. They aren't just missing one leader, but both of their defensive leaders. No one dared step out of line, or break discipline on their defense with those 2 guys leading the way. That's gone for the Ravens now.
Maybe someone .... Suggs, Ngata, Dumervil might step into that role, but maybe not. There are no guarantees. If not, then a problem child like McClain could become a major problem, and a hole in the middle of their defense.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/10/ravens-agree-with-ronaldo-mcclain/
Unreal, McCLain was much better than people realize ON the field...maybe he is an idiot OFF of it, don't know, but I never heard any character concerns when he left Bama. This is exactly the kind of deal we keep missing on, LOW risk, HIGH reward, as McCLain is young and has ample upside left still. He's perfect for a 3-4...not that we needed a young thumper next to Dqwell, he'd have been perfect in a rotation with Robertson next to DQ 
Ozzie keeps schooling us. He lost 6 starters in FA and has signed 5 who are as good if not better (Dumervil > Kruger). Meanwhile we have lost 4 starters (and no, I have no problem with them leaving, just with not replacing them) and signed 2...and created another need at ILB by switching schemes we haven't addressed neither...and that's not counting doing nothing at FB, K and P
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You like him a lot, and that's fine. I saw a few Raiders games over the past couple of years, and I have never really been impressed with him. He doesn't fit at ILB in the Horton defensive scheme, especially with DQ at the one spot. He is awful in coverage. He is awful in space. He is slow. He cannot be a sideline to sideline type at all. He cannot handle the coverage duties that Horton places on his ILB. He is not a loss to us at all that I can see. We'll see how he plays this coming year, but I bet that he will be replaced ASAP. He reminds me of Andra Davis from years ago .... in that he racked up tackles, but had almost no impact plays.
I don't see a huge loss for us here.
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Well, I know he's a liability in coverage, that's why I said he'd rotate with Robertson and be on the sidelines in passing situations, but I think he could have helped us vs the run keeping DQ clean by filling gaps and taking on OL
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I just don't think that he's all that good. Like I said, he reminds me of Andra Davis ..... makes tackles, but little impact.
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