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At this point it looks like our defense is set to be pretty competitive, with Paul Kruger and Jabaal Sheard rushing off the edges, and Rubin, Taylor and Bryant laying the wood across the defensive line, and Jackson and hopefully Gocong playing in the middle of the defense. I'm still a little worried about our other corner and the free safety spot but I would assume a corner is still going to be signed, and a safety drafted at some point.

I now wonder what the plan is for the offense, we don't seem to be showing a lot of interest in any of the offensive free agents. I've read via NFL.com and KFFL.com that we might be close to signing Fred Davis from Washington, and that would be a real nice pickup, but we still need some help at Offensive Guard, and we need another receiver, preferable a slot type receiver if we're unable to land Greg Jennings (Who NFL.com reported Tuesday we were interested in).

I've seen that we were interested in Julian Edelmen who would make for a very nice slot typer receiver, but other than him and Jennings I have not read or heard about any other offensive players we are interested in. I'm a little worried about Quarterback too, I wonder if the front office plans to bring in someone to compete with Weeden? I wouldn't mind getting Ryan Mallet if we are able to get him at a fair price, maybe give up Colt McCoy and a 5th round pick for him? Just speculation though, but I have read we've contacted the Patriots about Mallet.

Anyway...My ideal remaining free agency and draft would go as such...

Trade away Colt McCoy and our 4th round pick for Ryan Mallet to COMPETE with Brandon Weeden...

Sign Julian Edelmen (WR) and Fred Davis (TE)
Sign Captain Munnerlynn (CB) and or Antione Cason (CB)

Draft...Trade down from #6 to a lower spot to pickup at least a 2nd round pick.

1st Round - Jonathan Cooper OG/North Carolina --OR-- Jarvis Jones OLB/Georgia depending on who slips and is available. I would be happy with either another 3-4 linebacker or an offensive guard in the 1st round.

2nd Round - Larry Warford OG/Kentucky --OR-- Matt Elam S/Florida. If we don't draft a Guard in the 1st round, we need to draft one here in the 2nd round.

3rd Round - John Simon OLB/Ohio State --OR-- Michael Williams CB/Hawaii. If we take a Guard in the 1st round, and a Safety in the 2nd round, than we need to pickup another outside pass rusher for the mere sake of depth. If we want a Baltimore or Pittsburgh type defense, we need to have 3 or 4 good pass rushers.

4th Round (From 1st round pick trade) - Andre Ellington RB/Clemson --OR-- Michael Ford RB/LSU. I think we need a change of pace back to help Trent Richardson, a speed guy who can carry the ball 10 times a game, I would love either of these guys.

5th Round - Ace Sanders WR/South Carolina - His stock fell a little bit at the combine, but this guy was real explosive and might have a chip on his shoulders, why not take the risk?

6th Round - Tyranne Matheui (Spelling?) CB/LSU - He had the drug issues, but prior to that he was a heck of a solid corner for them, why not take the risk in the 6th round??

7th Round - Best available Fullback

To sum things up I think we need competition for Weeden, at least one offensive guard, a slot receiver and a speed running back and an athletic tight end (Hopefully Fred Davis).

What do you all think of my post? and what do YOU all want to see happen?

I would be stunned if the Patriots would take on salary to trade away Mallet. Mallet's salary is something like $600k this year ... and the Pats would add dead money on top of that. McCoy's salary for 2013 is somewhere around $2.4 million. Such a move would cost the Pats somewhere around $3 million is I count right.

A 4th round pick is small compensation for such a deal, especially when I bet they like Mallet a lot more than they like McCoy.

I really don't know what we're going to do at WR. I am starting to think that we might look offense in the draft, after investing heavily on defense in free agency.

There are a few quality FS types available, and even those over 30 could be solid investments. Adrian Wilson and Michael Huff would be at th top of my list. Even at 30, (or 33 for Wilson) each guy still has life left. I would prefer Huff, but Wilson knows the defense, and could help.

I think that we're in solid shape along the OL and DL, and at RB. That's one hell of a good place to start from. I think that we could use a veteran WR. We definitely need help at TE, CB, and S. We need a backup/competitor QB, but it looks more and more like this might be a draft pick.

I do see us signing another TE and probably a CB and S in free agency. We have plenty of money to use, and the highest priced guys are taking up cap space on other teams. Guys like Sean Smith and Keenen Lewis might be fits as the prices begin to drop. Add Lewis and Huff to our secondary, and maybe another 3rd/4th type guy, and I feel really, really good about our defense.

We have been linked to Fred Davis, and I think that he is a very talented guy. If healthy, then he would be out best TE since Winslow.

If we fill holes like that in free agency, then we have the ability to go best player for us in the draft. I would like Jarvis Jones, if that is the case. he is a pass rushing OLB, and he looks like a Steelers OLB. If we are running the same defense, then he's what we want. I have no interest in trading down. I want a difference maker, and I believe that Jones is a difference maker. I want no part of a Guard in the first round. We can only invest so much in the OL. We have 2 OL coaches, and we need to rely upon them to develop the guys we have.

Overall though, I wouldn't mind seeing us go after Edlemen, Munnerlynn, and or Cason, as you suggest.

Still want a linebacker or another pass rusher at 6. Love Dion Jordan. Not so much with Ansah. His measurables are incredible, but so were Courtney Brown's and Kamerion Wimbley's, and etc...

Would love Warmack although the value may be high, and we might be able to get him if we traded back a few spots. Takes two to tango.

I would like one WR at some point either in the rest of FA or draft. Doesn't have to be someone who requires a big FA deal or a high pick. Just another guy for depth. Especially with MoMass probably gone and Cribbs not coming back (I know he wasn't really a WR, but he was still an option for one)

I want McCoy gone, and someone in to back up Weeden. I don't really care about him getting "competition" I just want someone capable if he gets hurt or his game goes to hell. This year is put up or shut up for him anyway. I don't think he needs to be pushed by a backup QB. Irrelevant if you ask me. He knows how to be professional so I don't think he needs that added pressure. It won't decide if he's our guy going forward or not.

Definitely still need another CB, I hope that guy is Lewis but who knows right now.

I like how things have gone so far. The draft is still more important as I'm sure most know. You don't win SB's on FA day. You win them on draft day. It would really help Mike Lombardi to hit big on #6. Just get a good player. Would love a linebacker but just want a guy who is good. Hit that pick and I think people will back off him and let him do his job.

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Still want a linebacker or another pass rusher at 6. Love Dion Jordan. Not so much with Ansah. His measurables are incredible, but so were Courtney Brown's and Kamerion Wimbley's, and etc...

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Brown was everything we drafted him to be... Except healthy. He was dominate when healthy. Would have been a perennial pro bowler if not for the constant need for micro fracture surgery.

Points, Lots and lots of Points.

On offense I think we need

1. QB- prob not in the cards for this year esp since this is a weak QB class. The scouts/GM and Coach prob recognize this and that is why they are focusing on D this year.

2. FB- we need bad we may have a smelly
3. WR- we need a legit #1 to push Little to #3 where he can do his best work
4. G- we need at least to push the current G's
5. depth at every position minus RB

We have to sign Davis. In this offense we have capable enough receiver's. Not to say we can't upgrade, but with Gordon, Little and Benji TE is a much great need right now. The better the TE the higher the ceiling for Norv's O. Davis has the ability to be what Winslow should have been in Chuds O.

That said if we can't bring in Jennings(I don't see it happening) I am perfectly fine with Little. That is so long as we bring in a guy to knock Little down to the slot in 3 wr slots. Little is a fantastic blocker so to have him on the field is a benefit in all situations. Unless it's Greg Jennings I want Little at no2.

A guy like Heyward Bey, Hixon, Doucet or Louis Murphy makes a lot of sense. A guy who doesn't have to be a complete player but specializes in outside work down the field. Basically what Momass did for us but a needed upgrade in that role. This will allow Gordon, the new guy and the TE to stretch while Trent and Little eat up YAC. Benji could fill this role but you can't rely on him as a sure thing as a 2nd year guy.

As far as OG goes there are actually a lot of borderline starters out there. Guys that may or may not improve the lineup but will give us bodies and competition. The draft is also incredibly deep so we could hope and pray one falls to the 3rd like the kid from Kentucky.

Personally I sign Davis and Heyward Bey. Trade Sheard for a 2nd to a 43 needing a LE. I love the guy but in this D he will restrict the options we have for moving guys around and he's an unknown as a LB. Get value while you can. Draft Mingo or Ansah. I prefer Mingo personally. Just have a good feeling when I watch the kid but Ansah does give me shivers with his potential. Draft the best OG or FS in the 2nd. If Cooper form UNC or Reid from LSU are there FANTASTIC. Love them both. Doubt Coop will be so Reid in the 2nd and Warford in the 3rd.

Davis, Heyward, Mingo, Reid and Warford? Probably sign Cason the CB from San Diego too. Heck then go sign Russel when he gets his proday out of the way. Worth a shot with minimal risk and our GM drafted him. No better place for him with our system, OL, weapons. If anyone signs him it will be us. If Weeden or Russel blossom got dang that's a heck of a championship team.

At some point we are going to have to find a kicker and a punter.I know that Jordan Cameron played wide out at one point, let him try the slot. Gordon and Little can be a dynamic duo, I would hate to see another young guy come in and stunt their chances of improving. I would like to see a free agent wr who has at least 5 seasons under his belt to guide them.

I want to see us move the ball. Simple as that.

Through the air, through the ground, and through good planned schemes and play calling. I hate them 3rd and longs too. That is ALL I want Mr. Turner...

We signed a punter named Spencer Lanning a little while ago.

I have too much Al Davis in me. Heyward-Bay sounds like a really good pickup to me at #2. 6'2'' 4.3 40. But can he actually run routes and catch? Not so sure.

Honestly Travis Benjamin does nothing for me. I need to watch more Wes Welker to get over the height thing. But I see little place in this offense for him. Give me a bunch of tall dudes with low 40's, none of this midget WR nonsense. I'm still pissy about the 2 week 1 INTs thrown Benjamin's way. They wouldn't have been picks (maybe the waaay underthrown one) if he wasn't so tiny.

In the end all our options end up looking a lot better than MoMass so I won't complain however we end up.

Nice post Kelso, but I think this is way off:

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Trade away Colt McCoy and our 4th round pick for Ryan Mallet to COMPETE with Brandon Weeden...

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I don't think NE would be interested in that at all. Colt might add something to the value of the trade, but we would have to give up a 2nd round pick.


It's funny how unproven talent holds more value than proven talent if the proven talent is marginal at best.

I also wanted to point out that I feel like we just drafted heavy for defense 2 years ago (last year we invested a fair amount too) and now we are dipping heavy into FA with D.

I wonder if we have another 50 year plan

next year we will go heavy into drafting Offense and FA pickups

did you see the list of offensive FAs available? it's not exactly a great list.

sometimes you have to do what the market bears. there are still potential OGs out there (Schwartz and Green), WRs, and TEs. let's see what happens.

it is still just day3 here.

sorry about that...

I don't know if Sheard and Kruger can both play at the same time. If they can, and we therefore don't have to have another OLB, then we should get Milliner (Detroit's LT just retired - they will draft one). If Milliner goes before our pick, we should trade down and get a second rounder, and take the best CB available and grab a guard in the second. I'd like to use a high pick on a G and then a later one on the kid from Youngstown State. And I want us to take a late flyer on that Lalich kid at QB. He might be special. In between, safeties, LBs and WRs. Sign the kickers/punters off the street.

Depending on how far you move down you can definitely get a 2nd round pick. Last year Dallas moved from 14th to 6th and gave up their 2nd rounder.

what offensive players did you want?

Levitre and Vasquez are getting paid pretty good. I'm okay with just getting a Schwartz or Green on a cheap deal.

Welker would have been nice, but how much more would we have had to pay to convince him to stay away from Denver? Wallace was way overpaid (if we pay Vincent Jackson money, then I want Vincent Jackson)

Is Cook better than Fred Davis?

S-Jax and Bush both said they turned down more money for guaranteed starting gigs. We didn't have one to offer.

obviously, none of the OTs

Cassel might be the best QB to move. Not going to cry over that one.

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Anyone else I'm missing that has signed on offense you had your eye on?

There's a great kicker in FA...we should offer a good deal for him...Dawson of course.

Punter the kid we signed was in camp last year wasn't he??? We haven't changed ST coach so I don't think he is our guy???

We still got our Long Snapper don't we?

I would love to get a CB...the best one in FA is still out there (Talib)

FS...would we have signed the Zona guy already if we wanted him?

I'm not so sure about us getting another TE in FA...only cause the ones I think we really were interested in went real quick as we were dealing with getting Kruger.

Draft...1st n 2nd round picks on OG??? I don't get it.

Right now they are suggesting Bills moving up with us for Geno Smith cause we need a 2nd rounder. (NFL Path to the Draft about 15 minutes ago).

I still see us going for that WOLB on the blind side. Me Ansah is a no brainer...talk of him going now at #2??? Jones or Jordan could be decent Plan B n C.

If we truly believe in Sheard (a possibility) being a stud WOLB??? Then I see our target being Millner.

But if we drop back n OLB is not our target cause they are in love w/Sheard...then who assuming we don't drop back too far? Rhodes cause Millner is gone...Trufant?
Datone Jones DE. Eifert...I think the by far best TE in this draft. Drop back some more n get Cooper LG...Margus Hunt? But won't do the TRADE BACK thing...too good to be true.
DRAFT: Overall #6
Sheard is the key...how much we believe in him. Targeted OLB if Sheard is a ??? Millner if they believe in Sheard.

3rd Round - Kyle Long LG (might go earlier for starving Left Tackle need team) LG he is Lock n Lode Ready! ESteinbach but Bigger

4th I'd love to get a safety here I guess??? Shawn Williams? Earl Wolff?

5th Nick Kasa TE...hopefully all these FA signings will not have a run of TE in the draft dropping Kasa here. If TE going fast n Kasa is gone Toilolo should be there.

6th John Simon...I'd like for us to groom him for an ILB position.
6th/b Peter Lalich QB...kid that could surprise them all...hey maybe our Tom Brady

Note not a mock really just at a simple thought stage for this thread.

JMHO



3rd round I like

I agree Joker. I have always liked Phil and was never one of the people who some years back claimed he had a weak leg.



I think by this point we'll be give some notification as to what the offers are and given a opportunity to counter offer. If Phil is dead set on heading back to Texas, then it doesn't matter what we do. I won't blame him, and I won't blame anyone in the FO. Draft Sturgis in the 6th round and go from there.

I say 6th because we'll have a real need....top of the 6th gets it done. Then we have a guy who kicks for us the next 15 years before he wants to head back to Florida to finish out the career. He is from St. Augustine, so if Jacksonville is still a NFl team, he'll seek to go there. If not, Tampa and Miami are ingrained NFL teams not bound for relocation.

I like all the new people that have joined the board. I appreciate your thoughts and opinions. I hope you guys stay and thank you for joining!
Thanks!!! But give us another week or two then see if you change your mind...

I agree. I hit the Browns site from time to time....Vers and Eo are old buddies, so I read a lot of posts....stick around guys/gals. I enjoy the new views, or in some cases, I have been around a while, old friends.

As of this evening I would like to see two offensive signings.

TE, where I prefer Brandon Myers of Oakland over Fred Davis. Fred is from my home town, Toledo, but the Achilles injury is a concern. I think it could effect his explosiveness. Myers could be cheaper as well.

OG, a lot of good ones have been signed Schwartz or Slauson seem to be the highest rated guys left.

As an anxious fan the inactivity of the last couple of days is frustrating. I know they have a plan I wish there was some way to peak behind the curtain.

TIGHT END: I have no problems bringing back Watson while seeing how Cameron develops under Chud. I don't think we need to break the bank at TE, and the draft is deep. Doesn't seem to be the plan, though. Fred Davis scares me. ACL, plus one bad drug test and he is out for a full year

WR: I'm finally OK with what we have. Heyward-Bey is interesting if he's cheap. Maybe a late-round pick.

FB: Huge need. Surprised Marecic wasn't cut this week, last week, last year...

QB: Gotta keep another project in the pipeline. Mid-round, late-round, UDFA, whatever.

Guard: Maybe in the 3rd round? If we can trade back from #6 use the add'l pick at gurad? If not, we should look for a journeyman as Pinkston Insurance.

I think a snot-nosed FB will make the OLine's ground game look a little better. On top of being soft, I swear Marecic hit the wrong hole/LB 1/2 the time. I thought protection was pretty darn good last year, should be even better if Weeden speeds up that delivery.

I think trading back from #6 will be tough. I'd love to acquire more picks, but I just don't see the market for it. If Banner wants a guard in round 2, I think trading up from our spot in round 3 is more likely. Shouldn't cost too much.

That would make sense, but according to NFL.com he is still a Brown (sadly)

YTown, you are right about the investments on the OLine. And its going to be a pricey line soon. Extending Mack/Schwartz on top of Joe T's big contract.

At the same time, we've made similar investments in weapons. We have a 1st rounder in T Rich, and 2nd rounders in Hardesty, Little, Gordon.