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For those of you opposed to trading Sheard before given a shot at OLB I think you are not comprehending the entire situation. You are looking at his positives and hoping he can adjust AND improve.
I want to show everyone why I think it is a better decision for the future of the team to ship him than to convert him.
A)This defense thrives on moving players around and specialists rather than 1000 play a year guys. In this defense I BELIEVE Sheard will hinder us and be at a disadvantage himself because he already failed to acclimate to rushing of the blind side. He has an unbalanced strength is the problem. He is much stronger and more natural coming off the left side.
B)We are in position at 6 to take our pick of the best 34 OLB class since D.Ware and Merriman. I would argue it's better. More than likely only one will be gone by our pick. If we keep Sheard it would not make feasible sense to take a rusher at 6 for obvious future cap issues and loss of value in Sheard's case.
C)His stock is as high as it will ever be. As an unproven OLB his stock is much higher for a 43 team than us at this moment. Could he stud out? Sure. But football these days is a game of probability and business. For a 43 team inside the Superbowl window a young proven 43 end is worth a playoff contenders 1st rounder. I see someone like Atlanta, Denver or NE being very interested.
Or even a young team Like Jacksonville who would rather go elsewhere with their 1st pick. Regardless he is worth more than the pick we got him with and less than any OLB at 6.
Moving him allows us flexibility and firepower at #6 and that extra coveted pick when the TE's and FS's are being taken at the end of rnd 1 or top of rnd 2. Sheard gives us the unique opportunity to potentially upgrade his own position as well as your pick of a good TE and FS class. This is why I think it's a smart decision. Not just because he is an unknown and can't cover. But because those as well as his value, flexibility and my belief his trading will result in a more dangerous, flexible unpredictable D.
I also don't want to be the guy that says I told you so IF he never hits double digits sacks because he is predictable or if he completely busts as an OLB and we get nothing for him.
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Perhaps, but Sheard is a guy I bet the Steelers would pursue to play OLB if he were a free agent. He just "looks like" a Steelers OLB. he is a strong tackler, and has pass rush moves. he has nice burst, and solid quickness to the QB. He has also rushed from an upright stance here in Cleveland on occasion, and looked explosive in doing so.
I am excited to see him develop at OLB. I think that he is going to be a really, really good one.
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1. In the 3-4 you cannot have too many LBs especially Pass Rushers (OLB) - this is the same philosophy by the 4-3 Giants regarding DE's. Why they won two SBs ...big reason.
2. My son happens to be a Cowboy fan  - he likes the Browns just not his #1 
Still my point is He knows the Cowboys like the back of his hand. Also with DVR I watched a lot of the Cowboy games with him.
I talked with him today about Butler. He stated unfortunately he played behind two excellent guys who hardly ever missed games...Ware n Spencer. But showed some good game w/explosion. He doesn't know how he would do as a regular starter as he never got that opportunity.
3. Two fold...another OLB Kruger, Sheard, Groves n Butler...you cannot have enough n NO that would not ELIMINATE OLB from our #6 pick - it would Eliminate the "URGENT NEED" we pretty much all thought we had about a month ago! BPA n top on our board is an OLB...we still go with it.
4. I think this also would give us the best opportunity of a draft day trade of SHEARD to 4-3 team...worth a late first or early 2nd...possibly a late rounder or a conditional 2014 pick pending on his play. It makes sense. Nothing against Sheard...we truly think he can be a stud for us...So Be It I'm all for it. If he's a ??? n Teams have a need...as Charlie Casserly stated - Sheard is worth a 1st round pick in trade, He joined the ranks of Talking Heads now but still he has Credibility
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I don't disagree with most of your arguments, but I just want to ask for a clarification.
When you wrote, "Not just because he is an unknown and can't cover", I am going to assume that you meant that he is an unknown commodity in the 3-4 defense and not as a player overall. I think I would agree that his value to teams running a 4-3 is much more than it is for a 3-4 and could be the impetus for the team to move him.
Do you think that Jacksonville would give up their 2nd rounder for him? They just might.
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I don't disagree with most of your arguments, but I just want to ask for a clarification.
When you wrote, "Not just because he is an unknown and can't cover", I am going to assume that you meant that he is an unknown commodity in the 3-4 defense and not as a player overall. I think I would agree that his value to teams running a 4-3 is much more than it is for a 3-4 and could be the impetus for the team to move him.
Do you think that Jacksonville would give up their 2nd rounder for him? They just might.
Yes I apologize if I wasn't clear. That is precisely what was meant. I think you understand what I'm saying. His value right now for a 43 team needing an above average-good LE is the ceiling for his value for us now running a 34.
IMO from watching Sheard he will never exceed the value he holds now. He could be as good a 34 OLB as a 43 DE who knows. But we have the possibility to improve his good status to great by trading him and picking up someone at 6 and add a late 1st round talent. That's why I'm all for a trade if it comes. I think if you want to win a superbowl he is a great 2nd passrusher. Kruger sadly is the same in my eyes.
I think Jacksonville is very probable to get into the action. They need a DE bad with one of their top 2 picks. Sheard would allow them to go with a DT or elsewhere instead at no2. I wouldn't, however, be really surprised as I said if a contender with a limited QB window like Denver or NE offers up that late 1st to try and go for another superbowl. AA rook probably won't help them as much as Sheard in a short window of a yr or 2.
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Predator: Good post. Well written, some logic, and you tried to support your claims. With that said, I really don't agree w/it. For instance: Quote:
He has an unbalanced strength is the problem. He is much stronger and more natural coming off the left side.
How do you really know that? Have you been in the weight room? Has he been tested? I think that is making a large assumption based on limited results.
I also disagree w/several of you on Sheard's worth on the open market. I just don't see him getting us a first or second round pick. Generally, this is not a league that makes a lot of trades and when guys do get traded, the return is less than the investment. And while Sheard has played okay and shown flashes, he hasn't exactly shined. I doubt if most fans across the country have even heard of him. I think most have heard of Kruger. Most have heard of Dumervil. Suggs. Ware. Freeney. But, not Sheard. Furthermore, I think he was even less sensational in his second year. He did not make a lot of plays.
I think the best idea is to keep him and use him as a guy who gets up the field. He either rushes the passer or blows the running game up. He will be a detriment at times in the running game, but the key is disruption. A guy who has a similar role as Abraham did for years w/the Jets and Falcons. Rush the passer. Penetrate. Disrupt the offense. I don't think he plays every down, but I do think he can be effective in Horton's version of the 3-4.
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I also disagree w/several of you on Sheard's worth on the open market. I just don't see him getting us a first or second round pick
I think he easily has and here's why:
1. Among pass rushers from his draft class, after 2 seasons he's 4th to Watt, Aldon Smith and Von Miller. Watt is just arguably the best player in the league and the other two both happen to both be rush 34 OLBs and thus a comparison isn't all that fair (like comapring J.Jones to Mingo, Moore, Ansah etc isn't)
2. He has 15.5 sacks and 6 forced fumbles in 2 seasons and didn't miss a game....let's say your the GM of a 4-3 team wiht a need at DE....would you rather draft Okafor or Sam Montgomery in round 2 and "hope" he gets you those stats or do you take Sheard, with whom you know what you'll get? If I was that GM, I would trade my 2nd in a heartbeat...and as a Browns GM, I would want more than that
3. Let's compare and look at the other 4-3 DEs out of that draft class:
Sheard has 110 tackles, 15.5 sacks and 6 FFs and 5 PDs
14th overall pick Robert Quinn has 52 Ts, 15.5 sacks, 1 FF and 2 PDs
20th overall pick A.Clayborn has 44 Ts, 7.5 sacks, 3 FF, 0 PD in 19 starts (IR in 2012)
24th overall pick Cam Jordan has 98 Ts, 9 sacks, 3 FF, 7 PDs
It was a very strong class for pass rushers and all of those guys have shown enough promise, but Sheard has been the most consistent, durable and effective over the past two seasons
In fact, after looking that up I would ask for a 1st or a 2nd + conditional future pick based on his performance...he's simply worth it
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LOL after looking at that, I'd ask why trade him at all... (actually, I know the answer but just sayin)
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How do you really know that? Have you been in the weight room? Has he been tested? I think that is making a large assumption based on limited results.
I also disagree w/several of you on Sheard's worth on the open market. I just don't see him getting us a first or second round pick. Generally, this is not a league that makes a lot of trades and when guys do get traded, the return is less than the investment. And while Sheard has played okay and shown flashes, he hasn't exactly shined. I doubt if most fans across the country have even heard of him. I think most have heard of Kruger. Most have heard of Dumervil. Suggs. Ware. Freeney. But, not Sheard. Furthermore, I think he was even less sensational in his second year. He did not make a lot of plays.
Vers thanks for comment. I value your opinion. As far as the unbalanced strength I suppose you caught me on a clarification. Rather than weight room strength I was speaking to the overall body control when coming from one side or another.
It takes a great deal of training and lot of luck(be it prior injuries or genetics) to be a balanced athlete. Our bodies may look symmetrical but our functional strength, balance and control are very rarely the same. Through years of bad habits and unconscious use of muscle group we as a species develop certain ticks.
This is what I was referring to with Jabaal. I think we can all agree he was much less effective as a RE. Although one could argue multiple factors such as learning and adapting as to why he was a better LE but then why move him at all? I also, call me out if you will, have found that as a RE his inside moves were more effective while as a LE almost all of his great plays have come from a strong right arm on the outside shoulder combined with quickness and upright core balance(not much of a Kam Wimbley shoulder dipper) as he turns the corner. He rarely goes back to the inside and when he has he tends to get washed down. This tells me his right side is kinetically more aware or stronger. it is an assumption off of my eyes only however. I know I always used my right arm to shove off a defender first because the stabilizing muscles were more toned over my growth.
As far as value the guy between our posts hit the nail on the head. Do you take a chance on a late 1st early 2nd guy you have reservations about or trade for a guy like Sheard who you know can command a chip or possibly rack up good sack totals with a great rusher bookending him? As a GM with an aging QB and closing contention window I go for the sure thing.
And again I love Sheard. I hope completely that we keep him and he becomes what I think he could maybe be. However based on what info I am given I see this as the best option. I do not claim to truly know anything haha,
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Perhaps, but Sheard is a guy I bet the Steelers would pursue to play OLB if he were a free agent. He just "looks like" a Steelers OLB. he is a strong tackler, and has pass rush moves. he has nice burst, and solid quickness to the QB. He has also rushed from an upright stance here in Cleveland on occasion, and looked explosive in doing so.
I am excited to see him develop at OLB. I think that he is going to be a really, really good one.
Oh I'm not saying he won't be. My position is that it isn't a given that he will be. I do believe his chances are most likely better than anyone on our D who has not played in the 3-4 and will be converting to it.
My comment was in regards to our overall front 7 roster. I've seen so many posters just seemingly "pencil people in" at positions like it's some automatic given so many of them will transition so well.
While we all hope for this, I believe people assuming this is the case aren't being very realistic. I'm not for trading Sheard as I do believe he has the talent to be a very good rusher in the 3-4. No slam dunk guarantee, but the closest thing to a sure bet we have on our front seven roster who has never played in the 3-4.
In second place would be Phil Taylor. I don't think his odds are as good as Sheards are, but a close second. To me, everyone else who hasn't played in the 3-4 are huge question marks.
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Vers thanks for comment. I value your opinion. As far as the unbalanced strength I suppose you caught me on a clarification
Just a short quote, rather than quoting everything. But dang man, you are making some darn fine posts. I don't know if you are full of it, have unreal knowledge, or are simply very astute, but you argue w/logic and reason and you sure as heck sound like you know what you are talking about. LOL
I hear you about the kinesthetic stuff, but I think that can be overcome. I also think we have an excellent coaching staff and if anyone can get something out of this guy.....they can.
I really don't want to trade him. I say we give him a shot. He has some skills. I think it would be dumb not to see if this guy can convert to OLB.
Listen, this team is not winning this year anyway. Too many holes to fill in one year. Not signing a 38 year old Dawson told me that the FO thinks this team is not quite ready to compete for the playoffs. We have to address all the areas that the previous regime neglected. It would be smart to keep this guy at least a year and see if he can make the switch. He's a pretty good athlete w/some explosion. Horton likes guys like that.
I am not saying I am right or asking you to agree w/me. It's just what I think and that isn't worth much.
It is just refreshing to actually debate some football on here w/out all the BS. Thanks man.....and again, you very well could be right and I love how you made logical and rational arguments. Post more, please!!!
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Good post, pred! Jabaal himself has stated that he feels "more comfortable" on the left side than the right, and you have, if nothing else, at least articulated a plausible reason for that.
I think that as an OLB, it's a better time to switch him to the right side than if we were trying to move him to RE again. Whether it be on the left or the right, he's going to have to re-set his comfort zone standing up. I think better to do it now than let him stand up on the left side, then transition him to the right. JMO.
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I would think they're going to play him at WOLB since Kruger is used to playing SOLB. So in other words, Kruger will usually line-up against the left tackle while Sheard will line-up against the right tackle.
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Yeah, we think that's the plan. The point, though, is that Sheard is also used to lining up on that side, and struggled quite a bit to start his rookie season when they tried him on the right side.
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Yeah, we think that's the plan. The point, though, is that Sheard is also used to lining up on that side, and struggled quite a bit to start his rookie season when they tried him on the right side.
Right, and I agree that they would be well-served to try to re-transition him to the right side (even if he's struggled there before) since he's already going to have to transition to standing up anyways.
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I would think they're going to play him at WOLB since Kruger is used to playing SOLB. So in other words, Kruger will usually line-up against the left tackle while Sheard will line-up against the right tackle.
Don't you mean the other way around?
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I hear you about the kinesthetic stuff, but I think that can be overcome. I also think we have an excellent coaching staff and if anyone can get something out of this guy.....they can.
I really don't want to trade him. I say we give him a shot. He has some skills. I think it would be dumb not to see if this guy can convert to OLB.
First off I really appreciate the.....appreciation? haha. I am a bio student with major interests in Dietetics and Exercise Phys so this is my thing. I love it.
I really think as a professional athlete you should be able to overcome imbalances and increase you kinetic awareness as you age and have access to the world class professionals those guys do. Trust me I really hope he does. I love Sheard a lot more than any pass rusher in this draft(although purely Homer). There is no Von Miller or JJ Watt in this class that I would gladly toss Jabaal.
I try to play a villain on the board. I think someone has to. Everyone on here has undying love for our guys so I take the other perspective and enjoy looking at things in another light and give people possibilities of what could happen even though I love all our players as much as the next.
A few of my ideas have come to fruit. Some have not. I'm especially excited to see one of my ideas from last offseason blossom. I predicted with the league putting a premium on light athletic LTs that if we got ahead of the game we would put Jabaal against the mammoth RT and sign or draft an oversized power rusher to go against the finesse LT. Enter Kruger. I also got people fired up about the overwhelming possibility Jamarcus Russell will be a Brown over any other team. I try to post often but it usually ends up being new thread topics or something i really have something to contribute.
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I would think they're going to play him at WOLB since Kruger is used to playing SOLB. So in other words, Kruger will usually line-up against the left tackle while Sheard will line-up against the right tackle.
Don't you mean the other way around?
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The Strong side LBer lines up to the strength of the offensive formation, which typically is to the side where the TE lines-up. Most offensive formations [not all, but most] have the TEs line up beside the RT, because most teams are right handed. Thus, the Strong side LBer predominantly lines up on the defensive left side, where he is closer to the RT, rather than the LT. That is one of the reasons why LTs are at such a high premium. They do not typically have the luxury of having a TE over there to help them. They are also on the blind side. The weak side. With all that said.........I really think we are making a big mistake by pigeon-holing players into one position. I think Horton is going to switch up his fronts all the time. I also think guys are going to be moving all over the place, The idea is to confuse the blocking schemes and get pressure on the qb and disrupt the running game by penetrating. Oh..........and predator: I have a handbook that I wrote on how to be the "villain." Wanna borrow it? 
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The Strong side LBer lines up to the strength of the offensive formation, which typically is to the side where the TE lines-up. Most offensive formations [not all, but most] have the TEs line up beside the RT, because most teams are right handed. Thus, the Strong side LBer predominantly lines up on the defensive left side, where he is closer to the RT, rather than the LT.
This is true...I think I get caught up in Charger talk because we always tend to say that Jarret Johnson plays SOLB (since the SOLB is usually the better run-stuffer than the WOLB, and since that's what he did in Baltimore), even though he actually plays WOLB most of the time now (since the Chargers almost never switch which sides their linebackers play on).
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With all that said.........I really think we are making a big mistake by pigeon-holing players into one position. I think Horton is going to switch up his fronts all the time. I also think guys are going to be moving all over the place, The idea is to confuse the blocking schemes and get pressure on the qb and disrupt the running game by penetrating.
True as well. Horton and the LeBeau coaching tree are notorious for switching up their defensive fronts constantly.
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Oh..........and predator: I have a handbook that I wrote on how to be the "villain."
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Haha nice. A must read I'm sure. The only reason I pigeon holed is because of the whole Sheard issue. I think our front 7 is the most athletic as a whole that we've seen since coming back. We have a lot of physically imposing men now. It will be interesting how many crazy ideas Horton can come up with. I would argue our front 7 is much better on paper than the Cards. Brent Grimes and a new FS and we're better across the board.
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I can't believe all the people who are just praying we trade him. I mean yes depending what we got outta the trade, maybe... but aren't you people remotely interested in seeing how Jaball handles himself in the two-point stance? He could be the next lethal threat at OLB.
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i didn't think much of him as DE. so yea. might be the best thing that happen to him?
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i didn't think much of him as DE. so yea. might be the best thing that happen to him?
Sheard was a very good DE, I believe he had 14.5 sacks in his first two years ...
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i didn't think much of him as DE. so yea. might be the best thing that happen to him?
I take it that you liked the Kruger signing?
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Sheard was a very good DE, I believe he had 14.5 sacks in his first two years ...
J.J. Watt had 26 sacks in his first two seasons as a 3-4 end. That means Sheard sucks.
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Sheard was a very good DE, I believe he had 14.5 sacks in his first two years ...
J.J. Watt had 26 sacks in his first two seasons as a 3-4 end. That means Sheard sucks.
Duh.
No that would be ZERO sacks ...  
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i didn't think much of him as DE. so yea. might be the best thing that happen to him?
Sheard was a very good DE, I believe he had 14.5 sacks in his first two years ...
15.5 and 110 tackles
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I take it that you liked the Kruger signing?
don't realy have a opinion. will when I see him play here though.
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Thanks superbowldogg, 15.5 sacks 110 tackle's even better ... 
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Football 101 at the Versatile Dog School Of Charm And Etiquette...
I'll wait until the movie comes out. 
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i didn't think much of him as DE. so yea. might be the best thing that happen to him?
I take it that you liked the Kruger signing?
don't realy have a opinion. will when I see him play here though.
if you didn't care for him that much as a DE you will probably hate Kruger esp considering:
Sheard is 23 Kruger is 27 Sheard has 15.5 sacks in 2 years Kruger has 15.5 sacks in 5 years
Sheard has 110 tackles Kruger has 69.
Sheard has 6 forced fumbles Kruger has 1
Sheard runs a 40 in 4.7 Kruger runs a 40 in 5.0
Sheard has 1 Fumble recoveries Kruger has 3
Sheards contract is: this year $762.75k and cap hit of 1.4 mill next year it's 994k and a cap number of 1.6 million Kruger's cap numbers this year is 8.2 million (20 million in dead money) 8.2 million with 11.4 million dead in 2014
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i didn't think much of him as DE. so yea. might be the best thing that happen to him?
I take it that you liked the Kruger signing?
don't realy have a opinion. will when I see him play here though.
if you didn't care for him that much as a DE you will probably hate Kruger esp considering:
Sheard is 23 Kruger is 27 Sheard has 15.5 sacks in 2 years Kruger has 15.5 sacks in 5 years
Sheard has 110 tackles Kruger has 69.
Sheard has 6 forced fumbles Kruger has 1
Sheard runs a 40 in 4.7 Kruger runs a 40 in 5.0
Sheard has 1 Fumble recoveries Kruger has 3
Sheards contract is: this year $762.75k and cap hit of 1.4 mill next year it's 994k and a cap number of 1.6 million Kruger's cap numbers this year is 8.2 million (20 million in dead money) 8.2 million with 11.4 million dead in 2014
sheard on a no talent team. kruger on a team with a lot of talent. just offhand I would say that is a big dif. wonder how much playing time they both have?
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For sake of you not getting blown up by an opposing opinion your comparisons should be based on starts. To compare based on years is rather biased considering we suck and Sheard started day one while Kruger sat behind an ex NFL DMVP.
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Don't you love how they compare salaries? One guy is on his rookie salary and the other just received a big FA pay day because he was the best pass rusher on the market. Didn't you know that Sheard will always have a low salary?
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One issue that does bother me is how we are going to substitute "designated pass rusher(s)", and DL guys, when the other team is in a no-huddle or hurry-up offence? No hate, just wondering...
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You can't, but then again, we couldn't sub when we were running Jauron's defense either. Not sure how close you watch the games, but defensive linemen are in and out of the game all the time. And I don't think any of our guys are so deficient in any one area that we will be totally exploited by the no-huddle. After all, if we can't sub...neither can they.
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One issue that does bother me is how we are going to substitute "designated pass rusher(s)", and DL guys, when the other team is in a no-huddle or hurry-up offence? No hate, just wondering...
That is why Sheard is important, he can play with his hand in the dirt in the 4-3 or standing up ( hopefully) in the 3-4 so we can actually change fronts and not have to necessarily substitute.
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He's rushed the QB standing up, and dropped into coverage (which was a horrid site) more than a few times in Jauron's defense.
His biggest weakness is going to be being able to drop back and square his hips to get into coverage.
It's going to take time to see him in this role. He's going to drop down more in coverage than he ever has, so the transition will be automatic.
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