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Jason Campbell - QB - Bears The Browns are not expected to sign free agent QB Jason Campbell. If the Browns are going to bring in real competition for Colt McCoy, they're running out of options. Matt Cassel signed with the Vikings, making a Ryan Mallet trade with the Patriots less likely. The best free agent quarterbacks left on the market are Ryan Fitzpatrick, Campbell and Josh Johnson. The Bears are still trying to retain Campbell as Jay Cutler's backup. http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football
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In a very thin, strict sense, you may be right, but they are not going to go into the season with Colt as the backup. Thadeus maybe as the 3rd, but not with Colt as the backup. I really don't see that happening. They want to push Weeden and the need a viable backup that can execute the down field, aggressive system.
We should see a big difference with Chud than Shurmur with our offense. Also the new and improved defense will make a big difference. This team was in most games last year with a tough schedule, and they were better than the win/loss record indicated. Take away the Haden suspension and key injuries the season may have been much different. Colt was said to have been one of the best backups in the league at seasons end, what's changed from then to now? Weeden will continue on as the starter, and McCoy is talented enough to be his backup.
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I have a small sample size on him. The only game I ever caught of his was the last few minutes of the OSU vs. Arkansas game.
He reminded me of a younger DA. Occaional accuracy issues, not having any touch on his ball, and the decision making. I'd rather not spend whatever it costs to get Mallet. I'd rather let the Weeden train wreck or keep cruising on the tracks.
Weeden's year was much worse than DA's 2007 year. Did you know that DA and Weeden are the same age?
I had Mallet as the best qb coming out of his draft class. It was the off-the-field stuff that sent him down the draft boards. He apparently has straightened up while in New England. I am not saying he would be successful here, but I seriously doubt that Weeden will ever have what it takes to be successful.
I simply loathe a qb who can't read coverages and make quick decisions. His anticipation skills are pathetic. These are obstacles that are not coachable. You combine that w/the talk of him not being a hard worker and you have a problem.
We may have to roll w/him, but that's one more year to Joe Thomas' body. We need to solve the QB position, and solve it quickly.
Jason Campbell? Pfffttttt----I have supported the moves of the FO, but I don't like this move.
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what's changed from then to now?
The system. Whereas before, in the WCO, Colt was well suited to that system, and may even have excelled under the right set of circumstances. The issue now is pure arm strength, accuracy on long balls, and ability to stretch the field. While I like Colt, feel he has has a crappy tenure due to complete mishandling of his situation, and don't thinks he's is as bad as many on this board do, I don't feel he fits the proposed system and will eventually be traded or cut. JMHO
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if Banner, Lombardi et al trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Mallet
They're nuts. To trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for a guy that went in the 3rd round himself that has proven nothing doesn't make sense. I'd give a 6th rounder for him, nothing less.
I wouldn't trade a 2nd or 3rd for Mallet but that is going to be the asking price.
It likely would be, but it's nuts. As was stated, he was drafted in the 3rd round. In two years, he's thrown something like 4 passes (or thereabouts). That should not allow him to retain his value, let alone raise it.
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I'd rather just keep mccoy who already has some chemistry with our WR's
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If the Browns are going to bring in real competition for Colt McCoy, they're running out of options.
 
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someone of Colt McCoy's stature...
Hey now, Drew Brees is short too and he won a Super Bowl!
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Hey now, Drew Brees is short too and he won a Super Bowl!
And how many other of his stature have made the playoffs in the past decade?
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Hey now, Drew Brees is short too and he won a Super Bowl!
And how many other of his stature have made the playoffs in the past decade?
Russell Wilson seemed to do okay last year at 5'11".
RGIII is only 6'2"
Dalton also only 6'2"
Ponder is 6'2" as well (though Webb started the playoff game)
that's last year's list. do I really need to go back further?
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I guess I should've put that in purrrrpllllle...
I don't think Toad was talking about Colt's height. But as they say, if you have to explain a joke then it wasn't a very good one. M'bad.
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I don't think Toad was talking about Colt's height. But as they say, if you have to explain a joke then it wasn't a very good one. M'bad.
I was fascinated at how quickly that train went off the track
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So in the 6' or below category, we have Brees and Wilson.
Exceptions prove the rule.
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So in the 6' or below category, we have Brees and Wilson.
Exceptions prove the rule.
Dude GMAB, out of what candidate pool?
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Exceptions prove the rule.
Dude GMAB, out of what candidate pool?
In the past decade, how many 6' or shorter QBs have made the playoffs? How about 2 decades?
I think that Flutie made the playoffs once. Brian Sipe if we go back decades. Wilson did last year and Brees a few times.
There are few short QBs who lead their teams to the playoffs. Hell, few even start. The exceptions prove the rule. Taller, bigger QBs are far more successful in the NFL. A shorter QB with truly elite skills can do so .... but he needs absolutely elite skills in other areas. An average to slightly above average talented QB doesn't make it.
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Fess up Toad you still have the entire numbered and limited series of unwashed, personalized, sequined signed game-worn Campbell jock-straps and garters hanging on your wall in a built in bullet proof framed case complete with temperature and motion sensors. Upon the slightest unauthorized change in the room an alarm will go off that will release the hounds, the cracken, and sharks with fricking laser beams mounted on their heads to destroy anyone who is jealous of your love fest with him a few years ago don't you
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Kevin Kolb was just cut.
I hope Kolb is not a Brown. Anyone but Kolb.
I don't know what difference it really makes in terms of the big picture.
If we're in a position where we have benched Weeden the season is already lost, so what guy out there is going to come in and give us a sense that he's the answer for the future? The only guy being mentioned would be Mallet, and he hasn't done anything in the NFL. He's pure speculation.
If we bring a veteran in, that guy is just to keep the seat warm while we start the search...again...for a franchise guy in the draft.
Kolb, Campbell, Fitzpatrick...one is the same as the next.
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I don't know if Kolb fits the Norv offense.
It seems to me that the reason he struggled in Arizona was that he could not handle a downfield passing attack. Now maybe Norv could change his offense to fit Kolb .... but isn't the reason we're supposedly looking for a QB to replace McCoy as competition for Weeden so that we don't have to do that?
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so, if a QB is 6' or 5'11" then he has virtually no shot. But, if he's a whole 6'2", then he's hit a magic height that makes him good?
yes, shorter QBs have a lesser chance at having the arm strength necessary (it is leverage afterall), but it doesn't preclude them from being successful. and, our very own tall QB had much more of an issue getting passes knocked down at the LOS than all of the shorter QBs who made the playoffs that I listed.
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J/C I really don't think we get Campbell. But the TE Fred Davis possibility intrigues me. 
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I'd tend to say the reason he and every other QB struggled in 'Zona was because they had one of the worst pass-blocking lines in the league, hehe.
I get what you're saying and would tend to agree in principal, but there's this prevailing belief that you absolutely must have a huge arm to throw in this offense. Rivers doesn't have a big arm. He never did. His arm is average at best. He excelled because he had great anticipation and accuracy. Typically, veterans have greater anticipation and accuracy than your typical low-round rookie, so to me I'd much rather have a veteran guy with experience to come in and be the backup.
If this were the WCO I'd say 'Patrick and Kolb were the better fits, but that Campbell is probably the best fit for Turner's offense. However, one guy is pretty-much as good as the next. I'm fine with any of those three coming here.
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Campbell is a more viable option (skill wise) than DA n I didn't mind DA coming in for competition/mentoring/backup role.
We have a good OL a brewing...the opportunity is vast for any pocket passer.
I think we will stand pat. We might have been playing it cool for Geno...but I think he is now a lock for Top 5. Watch
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At least if we sign Campbell we know he can be average. He is not the long term answer, but he won't kill us.
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Kolb went 6-8 in Arizona with a 83QBrating behind that atrocious OL and no running game. Also, he had Larry Fitzgerald.
he wasn't terrible, but he wasn't great either. the main point was that he couldn't stay healthy and he was being paid to be an above average QB.
i wouldn't mind him as a backup.
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Honestly when I think back to McCoy's rookie season I like him a lot more than the rest of his body of work. But I don't really think he fits the offense.
If we are playing our backup QB I want to lose games. Keep McCoy or sign a guy like Painter and flop out. A lousy attitude to have, but if we are going to replace Weeden it needs to be with a guy like Manziel, not a guy like Mallett.
Also. We traded a 4th for Dilfer a few years back. (arguably a horrible trade value) If you want to trade for Mallett I see no reason it would be for any less than a 3rd. What was the point of grooming him for a few years and having him end up better than the other 3rd rounders this decade, and then only getting a 3rd in return? The price of a 3rd and conditionals (maybe a 4?) seems reasonable. I could see the pats wanting two 3's or a 3 and a 2. Potentially starting QBs come at a premium.
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Yeah, at this point in his career he's a written book. I feel as though I know him better than most because I've followed his career.
When he was coming out of Auburn I had him pegged as a 2nd round guy. He wasn't a franchise type but rather a long-term, developmental player. He had the height, the arm, some mobility for a guy his size, a solid release and throws a damned-pretty spiral, good for bad-weather games. But he was robotic and operated within a system, not excelled outside of the game-plan. People can debate whether or not he was held back in Washington and Oakland because he kept getting new systems, but the reality is that Campbell is a game-manager who will only be as good as the players around him.
Here's who Jason Campbell is:
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At 6'5, 230 he has prototypical size who can see over the line and see the entire field
Big arm with an over-the-top release which can make every throw in any offense
Throws a very tight spiral, great for bad weather
Good mobility
Can be very accurate when given time
Stands tall in the pocket and keeps his eyes downfield waiting to make throws
Willing to take big shots in order to deliver the ball downfield as late as possible
Goes through his progressions to find receivers
Well-liked and respected in the locker-room
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Has had a fumbling problem throughout his career
Has a slower-than-average football mind in terms of processing information making him an easier target in the pocket, which is where many of the fumble problems come from
Sometimes locks onto his primary receiver leading defenders to the ball
A little slow-footed in terms of moving his feet in the pocket
Pocket awareness is average, as the clock in his head and his sense of collapsing pockets aren't stellar
Only operates as well as the system he's in which means he can't take over a game
As noted, Campbell is your prototypical average starter. At his age no team is going to go after him with the idea he's the starter for the next 3-4 years of his prime. But as a backup who can come in and start, he's an excellent option, especially for an offense that will ask for deeper patterns.
Of all the QB's on the free agent market, he's the best fit for this offense, but guys like Fitzpatrick and Kolb aren't that far behind him.
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Nope.
It's the other way around.
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And I said earlier that if a QB lacks size, then he better have elite talent in a different area. He better have a rocket arm, or great accuracy, or great anticipation, or the ability to comprehend what defenses are doing at every second, and so on. If a QB is smaller than average, and average to below average in every other category, then he's simply not going to make it. He needs to be better in these other areas than the average NFL QB to make up for his lack of size.
I would argue that guys like Flutie, and Brees, and Wilson, all have elite capabilities that make up for their lack of stature. Other short QBs do not, and have not, and that is why they have failed. If that smaller QB lacks those elite capabilities, then it is even harder for him to succeed than it is for a bigger QB. The bigger QB will always be able to better see over the line ....... he will be better able to throw passes without having to worry about finding a lane for every one .... and so on.
Imagine if Wilson didn't have his amazing ability to find throwing lanes. He would be nothing. however, he is able to find a lane, move, read, and make the throws. He has to take an extra step or 2 that other successful QB don't have to take, just because of his height.
Sure a short QB can succeed. However, the odds are strongly and heavily stacked against it happening. a guy could be a 5'2" WR too ...... but bit's unlikely to happen. He could be a 230# LT .... but that's probably not going to happen either. Certain positions have certain physical profiles that are important because they are what generally works at that position. There will almost always be exceptions, but that doesn't mean that just because one 6' flat or shorter QB makes it, that all 6' or shorter QBs can.
That has been my point all along ...... and people keep wanting to throw up exceptions that really prove the rule. If they didn't then 5'7" 175# RB who rush for a ton of yards in school would get more than a passing look at the top of the draft. They don't though, and there is a reason for it. One or 2 exceptions might make it to success, but that doesn't mean that all of the exceptions will. (and this last part is more to those who seem to want to argue that it does, more than to you specifically)
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web page  Jason Campbell has clubs interested in him competing for a starting spot By Sean Jensen on March 18, 2013 5:29 PM | No Comments | No TrackBacks PHOENIX -- Jason Campbell may get what he wants: a chance to compete for a starting spot. There are clubs interested in signing Campbell to compete to be the starter while others - like the Bears - want him as a backup, according to a league source said. Currently, the clubs with the most unsettled starting quarterbacks are the New York Jets (Mark Sanchez), Cleveland Browns (Brandon Weeden), Jacksonville Jaguars (Blaine Gabbert), Tennessee Titans (Jake Locker), Philadelphia Eagles (Nick Foles), and Arizona Cardinals (Drew Stanton). The Bears are believed to remain interested in re-signing Campbell to back up Jay Cutler. Campbell, 31, was 32 of 51 for 265 yards with two touchdowns and two interceptions last season, but he lost his lone start against the San Francisco 49ers on Monday Night Football.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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