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Sorry - you totally lost me with that analysis! As for the reported REAL REASON we are Bombing. Only Dawson is a major loss - if we indeed lose him! Cribbs...love him but not a major loss. Watson I like him a lot n didn't want to lose him but he's been injured a lot n has like 7-8 concussions...his next might end his career. The rest??? Sorry nothing lost...possibly Patterson but there must of been a history with he n Banner or his agent n Banner. So we lost a guy who what played about 5 games for us as the Nickel QB??? bombed when we added Kruger n Bryant - both young n entering their prime n seem to be perfect pieces to our New Attack D. Yep we bombed  Down graded DQ n Sheard??? Why don't we see how the Defense is going to look - this is not RAC's or Mangini's 3-4 for all we know this new Defense might define the two's career! Sorry I ain't buying the Eyeore we are doomed post. I don't see the logic. I see the best young foundation this organization has accrued in like forever. Cap Space up the Kazoo n we got 2 pieces we targeted. Because of the foundation we don't need Quantity we need Quality that fit the puzzle. I think we did that n we are getting accolades all over the place except this BOZO from serius - which sort of shows that he is IGNORANT of the sport or is a FAN of a rival n will never say anything good about us! It appears it seems to be Both! JMHO
I love Cribbs too eo but not a big loss, I would liked to have kept Watson but he can be upgraded ... in other words +1 
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The Browns have done exactly(for once) what they said they were going to do..they struck quickly identifying their most urgent holes and filled several. Now they are waiting for the prices to level off..no issue with me.
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I feel the same Attack Dawg only I did get a little ansy with the DB's not being addresse yet ... 
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I agree. I'm looking for a corner at this point. Maybe a safety. Grimes? Huff? Other than that, I'm good. I'm anxious to see who we draft now to round it all out. Even so, I think we're still a season away from filling all the holes.
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Great! You shouldn't be buying doom from my post.
That's exactly why I used: "as of now" "so far" and "we've got work to do." I'm sure someone else will skip those clear indicators and go for "doom." But doom is not what I'm calling for. Just offering my assessment on where we are...so far. It would be just as easy for someone to look at your 2 perfect pieces and call it a "5 Super Bowl Dynasty!" 
My concern is we no longer have our #2 and #3 cornerbacks. We've lost our best tight end and so far we have signed Guy Something. We've lost a Pro-Bowl special teamer that was elite in kick coverage and top 5 in punt and kick return average. And we're dangling the best kicker in the NFL out there. Yes, I understand there are age/dollar issues with all of them, but we're a perpetual 5-11 team with a lot of money and no 2nd round pick.
Kudos on the 2 Perfect pieces, Mr. Banner! There is time left, but the clock is ticking. 2 steps forward and 4 steps back won't cut it. Treading water won't either. We must improve, anywhere and everywhere possible!
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I honestly don't understand, a mediocre team like ours, coming from a long past of losing seasons, who only gets 2-3 players and people are happy with it?
Its not that hard to find upgrades for our team, and this year players are being signed on the cheap. Virtually all positions on the team would be helped if we can sign someone who replaces the army of low draft picks and UDFA we have now on the roster.
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What if they don't want to sign here?
Are you going to try to overpay someone of average ability to convince him to come here KNOWING it will ruin your cap?
When a 5-11 team loses a few pieces. What have they really lost? It's not like we let Joe Thomas walk...
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Are you going to try to overpay someone of average ability to convince him to come here KNOWING it will ruin your cap?
When a 5-11 team loses a few pieces. What have they really lost? It's not like we let Joe Thomas walk...
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What if they don't want to sign here?
Are you going to try to overpay someone of average ability to convince him to come here KNOWING it will ruin your cap?
When a 5-11 team loses a few pieces. What have they really lost? It's not like we let Joe Thomas walk...
From the details being revealed, this year players are being signed CHEAP, lots of talent and lots of teams over the cap. We will not ruin the cap if we sign a CB, Safety, FB, Slot WR and a TE not to mention a Punter and a Kicker. We could also pick up a Guard.
We are only getting one starter out of this draft, and we have a lots of holes to fill if we wan't to field a competitive team. This year we are seeing lots of talented players hitting FA due to cap restrictions, so we should be upgrading the team and not waiting, because its going to be very competitive for low pay players, with good teams trying to compensate for the exits.
You also forget that we are dumping some contracts...
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Aquib Talib signed for cheap. With New England.
Sean Smith sign for cheap. With Miami.
Both of those teams won more than we did and isn't going through a coaching change. Maybe that has something to do with it?
We brought in Brent Grimes. It's not as if we are not looking at guys. It's not madden. You can't just make them sign by adding another .01 million until they do.
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I honestly don't understand, a mediocre team like ours, coming from a long past of losing seasons, who only gets 2-3 players and people are happy with it?
Its not that hard to find upgrades for our team, and this year players are being signed on the cheap. Virtually all positions on the team would be helped if we can sign someone who replaces the army of low draft picks and UDFA we have now on the roster.
Yes, we need way more help.
It would be one thing if we were a playoff team, or if we kept all of our starters and had a deep roster to begin with. But, we were already lacking depth and we are cutting starters as part of "the overhaul."
Holding out hope, there's time and plenty of money left.
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Both of those teams won more than we did and isn't going through a coaching change. Maybe that has something to do with it?
Sean Smith went to Kansas City. New coach, worse record.
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It's not like picking players for kickball at recess, the player has a choice to come or not.
We only hear about the ones that come in or show some interest, we never hear about the ones who's agents said no right off the bat.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Cribbs failed his physical this morning. Cardinals | Joshua Cribbs failed physical Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:42:22 -0700 Free-agent WR Joshua Cribbs (Browns) failed his physical with the Arizona Cardinals Monday, March 18, according to multiple sources. At this point, it is unclear what may have been the cause of the failed physical and if it will deter the Cardinals from signing Cribbs. Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2O0HJYTfx
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The list is endless, just to name the latest:
Adrian Wilson SS; Antwan Barnes LB; Vince Walker DE; Ernie Sims ILB; Keith Rivers, Maualuga ILB; Reynaud WR. Every day the number of players signed around 1.5M year is astonishing, and lots of talented players being signed for less the 3M.
Jake Long signed for 36 M and 4 years, which is much less then the guaranteed part of Joe Thomas contract.
This is a unique FA year, just check the number of signings NE is doing, Indy... amazing....
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Yikes.
I wonder what the issue is? He didn't end the season with an injury, as far as I know.
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The list is endless, just to name the latest:
Adrian Wilson SS; Antwan Barnes LB; Vince Walker DE; Ernie Sims ILB; Keith Rivers, Maualuga ILB; Reynaud WR. Every day the number of players signed around 1.5M year is astonishing, and lots of talented players being signed for less the 3M.
Jake Long signed for 36 M and 4 years, which is much less then the guaranteed part of Joe Thomas contract.
This is a unique FA year, just check the number of signings NE is doing, Indy... amazing....
We do not know who the front office tried to contact - maybe they tried and the players just said no way. If I were a player NE or Indy would be a much better destination than Cleveland. I hate to say that, but it's true. I know these guys want to get paid, but they also want to win. They are all ultra competitive. I don't want us to overspend and end up in cap hell like some other teams.
So far we've made some nice additions. Nothing flashy, just good, solid players that are young and have upside. I'd really like a corner or safety and possibly a TE. I'm sure the FO would like at least one of those if not all as well.
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The list is endless, just to name the latest:
Adrian Wilson SS; Antwan Barnes LB; Vince Walker DE; Ernie Sims ILB; Keith Rivers, Maualuga ILB; Reynaud WR. Every day the number of players signed around 1.5M year is astonishing, and lots of talented players being signed for less the 3M.
Jake Long signed for 36 M and 4 years, which is much less then the guaranteed part of Joe Thomas contract.
This is a unique FA year, just check the number of signings NE is doing, Indy... amazing....
We do not know who the front office tried to contact - maybe they tried and the players just said no way. If I were a player NE or Indy would be a much better destination than Cleveland. I hate to say that, but it's true. I know these guys want to get paid, but they also want to win. They are all ultra competitive. I don't want us to overspend and end up in cap hell like some other teams.
So far we've made some nice additions. Nothing flashy, just good, solid players that are young and have upside. I'd really like a corner or safety and possibly a TE. I'm sure the FO would like at least one of those if not all as well.
I'm not even going to discuss that, who cares... The end result is that we are failing to sign players, hence we have bombed the FA so far.
Other teams, with records worst than ours, don't have problems signing players... It isn't just NE or Indy, I was just giving those organizations has examples.
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It will be interesting to hear, but is it really that surprising? 7 years of being a Kamikaze special teamer for coverage and returns will have a toll on your body. I love his game day attitude, but his locker room and balling to the media were getting old. I wish him the best and hope he is still signed by AZ.
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Just signing players is not a sign of a successful free agency period.
There have been far more big mistakes made in free agency on the buying side than on the "pass" side.
The Browns targeted a few players, signed them, and now appear to be waiting for prices to drop greatly on others.
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Wonder why Cribbs bombed his physical??????
It will be interesting to hear, but is it really that surprising? 7 years of being a Kamikaze special teamer for coverage and returns will have a toll on your body. I love his game day attitude, but his locker room and balling to the media were getting old. I wish him the best and hope he is still signed by AZ.
Actually yes, it is surprising. End of the season Josh was still running hard IMO. To not be able to pass a physical means perhaps he encountered an injury during the off season perhaps? Idk, but I am very curious now.
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Cardinals | Joshua Cribbs update Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:55:43 -0700 Updating a previous item, the agent for free-agent WR Joshua Cribbs (Browns), J.R. Rickert, said Cribbs underwent surgery to repair his meniscus after the season and it is not completely healed. Rickert expects the Arizona Cardinals to give Cribbs another physical in a few weeks. If all is well then, he expects Cribbs to sign with the team. Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2O0PvxeMO
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Tue, 19 Mar 2013 08:55:43 -0700
Updating a previous item, the agent for free-agent WR Joshua Cribbs (Browns), J.R. Rickert, said Cribbs underwent surgery to repair his meniscus after the season and it is not completely healed. Rickert expects the Arizona Cardinals to give Cribbs another physical in a few weeks. If all is well then, he expects Cribbs to sign with the team.
Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz2O0PvxeMO
Ahhh, now that makes sense... thanks for the post.
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Really?
Jacksonville's biggest signing is RB Justin Forsett who is gonna be Jones-Drew's backup.
Detroit has signed 3 players RB Reggie Bush the biggest name.
KC has signed a lot of players but the only starter is CB Sean Smith
Oakland's most notable signing is LB Kevin Burnett.
The only team with a worse record then us that has signed a bunch of big name players is Philly and we can see what that got them last year.
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eo, Please stop with the common sense...you are blowing minds here.
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Just signing players is not a sign of a successful free agency period.
There have been far more big mistakes made in free agency on the buying side than on the "pass" side.
The Browns targeted a few players, signed them, and now appear to be waiting for prices to drop greatly on others.
Providing you are under the cap, I don't see what mistake can you make (on the fan side) by signing players...
Yes, we are a perennial Superbowl contender, so no need to upgrade the team...
Regarding Team signings so far: KC: 8, JAC: 5 , Oak: 8; Phil: 7; Det: 8; Cle: 5; Ari: 8; Buf: 2; Jets: 6
We were supposed to make a big splash in FA, we haven't so far. We have signed 1-2 impact players, but lost also some players.
I don't care for big name players, or news headlines, I was expecting a general upgrade of the team in several positions, and this is the ideal FA to do it. Cheap quality players are available, and we should be signing or at least talking to them, if we don't improve the team, then its going to be a major disappointment.
I love what we have done with the coaching team and praise FO for it, but have no problems criticizing for errors we have all seen others make in the past.
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Part of those signing totals you list for the teams was them re-signing their own players and who have we lost besides Watson and Maiava? two guys we didn't expect back anyways.
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We are under the cap this year. However, many free agent contracts include guarantees. Guarantees go against the cap even if the player busts out and is cut. Those guarantees, and pro rated signing bonuses count against future caps, and it's why teams like the Steelers are scrambling trying to create cap room, and why the Ravens had to allow many of their players sign elsewhere.
We're, obviously, not near that point, but it doesn't take long if a team goes on some wild-eyed spending spree.
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Further, people keep saying that we "lost" Patterson.
Didn't we cut him in the middle of the season last year? So we didn't lose him this offseason, but rather last season. And that also means that the last regime was the one that tossed him out.
Also, I'm finding it difficult to say that we LOST Patterson. That dude had some talent, but he was pretty much worthless. I didn't see the greatness that others were talking about (ok, I'm exaggerating), and that was when he was out there. The guy was inactive all the time.
So, if you do want to say that we lost him, it would be more like we lost him shortly after we acquired him... :-p
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Yep, and right when we're in a couple of years of playoff contention those cap issues become problematic and make it difficult to stay in contention.
I think, with the bean counter running the controls, we stand a reasonable good chance of that not happening to us prematurely.
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Jake Long signed for 36 M and 4 years, which is much less then the guaranteed part of Joe Thomas contract.
Did we retire the Crying Baby???
But amazing what people doom n gloom about. And just what was that to mean Rastanplan? We are fools for signing Joe T to the contract we did? Rams are geniuses?
You just don't get it that Miami let him walk cause he has had some serious injuries for the last two seasons. Nah that had nothing to do with the value of the contract
And mister no doom n gloom guy - sorry my memory sucks w/names. It is just that...when you "GUESS WHAT" Doom n gloom cause we lost our #3 CB - who guess what didn't play much last year (guessing around 5 games) why are we missing him?
Lost our #2 CB...I can care less what the STATS say about him...he got burnt so badly he was out of the stat range n another came close to defend him. Seriously Sheldon had lost his legs and more than likely didn't fit in the Flying around n hitting needed from our DBs...but we are doomed. But I agree with you...I did think we would pick up a CB in FA n I got a feeling we tried. Grimes might be the only one we got a presser on were there more?
Watson as stated I liked him - but probably correct in time to move on. As stated he is a concussion away from retiring...btw we would have to take the cap hit if one hit n he's gone!
We picked up a young TE at no big expense - he knows the offense and Chud knows him but right away he sucks cause he has no stats.
We picked up Groves again at no expense...One who know our D..has good depth in Pass rushing but also I am pretty sure led the NFL in blocked Punts n FGs...so we got a top ST player as well.
As for Bryant n Kruger...what FA have we signed that were BETTER FA Pickups???
Also some look at FA as if we should a new team. This team is being built on the Draft foundation n guess what...THAT FOUNDATION is already HERE!!! There no need - Oh pick up this guy, that guy. Put it on paper n it all sounds like upgrades to SOME???
I see more OVER PAID, OLDER PLAYERS coming here who guess what DON'T FIT TOGETHER. It not about trying to get a Fantasy team w/all stars. Its about GETTING A "TEAM" together with all the pieces COMPLIMENTING each other as much as possible. Sometimes a kitchen works best with a SOUS Chef, Line cook n the Head Chef...Not 3 Head Chefs who on papers makes it sound great.
So if its walks like a duck, quacks like a duck guess what? Its doom n gloom. 
Perfect? 5 SB in the bag now? No but lets be a little logical in our difference of opinions. I don't see this "OH NO" situation out there. I am pretty sure in THE PLAN FA CB was in there. So far we couldn't get one...Every GOOD PLAN has other recourses to solve things.
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Lost our #2 CB...I can care less what the STATS say about him...he got burnt so badly he was out of the stat range n another came close to defend him.
Trash them all day, it speaks volumes about the guys behind them on the depth chart.If #2 and #3 were that terrible, Jauron wouldn't be sitting anyone decent behind them. We can't simply bump Wade and Skrine into those roles. We need legit replacements.
Swapping backup tight ends is not an answer to a cornerback fiasco. Hence, a bad grade...so far. So far. So far. So far..
No doom, eotab. You might be happy with Wade and Skrine I'm not, but I have no worries. Banner isn't going to let that happen. Banner isn't even as confident in Banner as you are.
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nrtu....
One thing i want to throw out also is that I believe many people are forgetting about comp picks in the draft. If we lose more than we sign I believe we get some. I'm not sure of the specifics, but those picks are good to have.
I don't want to sign people just to sign people. Fill some holes, and be in a good position in the draft. That's where we'll build our team.
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One thing i want to throw out also is that I believe many people are forgetting about comp picks in the draft. If we lose more than we sign I believe we get some. I'm not sure of the specifics, but those picks are good to have.
I don't want to sign people just to sign people. Fill some holes, and be in a good position in the draft. That's where we'll build our team.
Comp picks are in. We didn't get any.
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j/c Kinda funny how some of the same people who complained that the previous regime didn't have enough time [3 years] are now crying that we haven't filled every hole in 2 weeks.  Did the current FO create the holes at CB, FS, FB, and QB?
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So you're saying Hagg and Young aren't the answer to our long-running free safety issues?
Crap.
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Kinda funny how some of the same people who complained that the previous regime didn't have enough time [3 years] are now crying that we haven't filled every hole in 2 weeks.
Did the current FO create the holes at CB, FS, FB, and QB?
Excellent point. I love it.
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