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So you have more credibility than one of the most respected NFL writers?

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I presume you guys are talking about Rick Grimes....




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'Cleveland Browns host free agent CB Brent Grimes, eyeing TE Kellen Davis, reports say'

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/03/cleveland_browns_host_cb_brent.html

By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
on March 16, 2013 at 7:43 PM, updated March 16, 2013 at 9:04 PM

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Browns hosted a potential starting cornerback Saturday and are interested in another tight end named Davis, according to reports.

Former Falcons cornerback Brent Grimes, 29, visited the Browns, according to Alex Marvez of Fox Sports. And the Browns are interested in former Bears tight end Kellen Davis, according to Albert Breer of NFL Network.

Grimes (5-10, 180) also visited the Dolphins on Friday, and the Falcons hope to re-sign him, according to Marvez. The drawback with Grimes is that he's coming off a torn Achilles tendon, and full recovery generally takes up to a year.

He suffered it in the opener last season and was placed on injured reserve after undergoing surgery. The injury was a huge setback for the Falcons, who had franchised him for $10.2 million.

But before the injury, Grimes has established himself as an elite cornerback. In 2010, he made the Pro Bowl after making 70 tackles, five interceptions and 23 passes defensed in his 16 starts. The year before, he had 66 tackles and six interceptions.

At the NFL Combine last month, Falcons coach Mike Smith said that Grimes' recovery was going extremely well.

"Brent Grimes has been doing an outstanding job," he said. "He's still working in the training room, but he's progressing very well."

If the Browns sign Grimes, he'll start opposite Joe Haden at cornerback if he's ready. The Browns are in the hunt for a replacement for Sheldon Brown, but haven't pursued some of the top names on the free agent market, such as former Dolphin Sean Smith, who signed with the Chiefs.

Grimes apparently isn't the only free agent coming off a torn Achilles that the Browns are considering. The other is former Redskins tight end Fred Davis, who suffered his torn Achilles in October and missed the rest of the season.

But if it isn't one Davis for the Browns at tight end, it might be another. Chicago released Kellen Davis Wednesday after they signing free agent tight end Martellus Bennett.

According to Breer, Kellen Davis has already visited the Steelers and Saints and has drawn interest from the Bengals.

Davis, 27, signed a two-year deal last March, but hasn't lived up to expectations. He caught only 19 passes for 229 yards and two TDs last season, and struggled with drops.

In January, Bears General Manager Phil Emery acknowledged that Davis had "a rough season." At 6-7, 267, Davis never became the athletic tight end the Bears hoped he'd be. Their starting tight end the past two seasons, he caught 37 passes for 435 yards and six touchdowns.

The Browns signed reserve tight end Gary Barnidge this week, but are still looking for a starter to replace Ben Watson, who didn't receive an offer from the club to return.

Another tight end the Browns checked into, former Raider Brandon Myers, agreed to terms with the Giants today, according to reports.

Dumervil, Lloyd free: Two big-name free agents hit the market Saturday in former Broncos pass-rusher Elvis Dumervil and former Patriots receiver Brandon Lloyd. Dumervil, 29, was released by Denver on Friday.

Dumervil had agreed to reduce his salary from $12 million to $8 million, but his agent failed to get the paperwork for the new deal to the Broncos on time, and the team released him rather than guarantee his $12 million salary. Dumervil fired his agent and is looking for a new team.

Lloyd, 31, a deep threat who caught 74 passes for 911 yards and four TDs in New England last season, was let go because of a $3 million option bonus he had coming. It's not yet known if the Browns will pursue either player.


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Browns Free Agent Target: Brent Grimes; Hercules or Achilles?
By Mike Krupka on Mar 17 2013, 6:06a

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2013/3/17/4114664/browns-free-agent-target-brent-grimes-hercules-or-achilles

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Brent Grimes is NFL.com's #1 rated corner. I know he is coming off the injury, but this guy is a very, very good corner. I would love to have him. This is exciting news!!!


On the other hand, Kellen Davis has underachieved. He is big and athletic. I thought he would be a stud, but he has been a big disappointment.

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... this guy is a very, very good corner. I would love to have him



I'm certainly on board with you regarding Grimes...


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Dover, thanks for the article. Great find.

You link didn't work so I provided one here...

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There's far too much information in the article to post on here. Below is the preface to the story. It's worth checking out...


Browns Free Agent Target: Brent Grimes; Hercules or Achilles?


So in this piece I hope to present a thoughtful and informative argument that quantifies what it could mean to the Browns if we sign Brent Grimes. Outside of the Achilles tear that sent Brent Grimes to IR last season, he has been a stud at the corner. But as I will explain, the nature of Achilles tears and NFL players is a dynamic piece of science. I will present some facts from a recent Duke University study and apply these facts and findings to expected returns for Grimes in the future. I will admit the validity of my approach may be questioned, but I feel it helps create a context for performance expectation and could help Browns' fans glean what Banner and Lombardi are thinking when considering Grimes and his potential fit with the team.


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I trust that we would do our homework on Grimes' injury. This guy can play!

And what the heck was that guy talking about? Kerry Rhodes is a Safety, and not a very good cover safety, at that.

The Captain is a back-up. I know we have shown some interest in him, but I hope it is only as a nickel corner.

Grimes is a quality corner. I hope he is healthy. If he is.....signing him would be HUGE!!!!!

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There's far too much information in the article to post on here. Below is the preface to the story. It's worth checking out...







I've had that problem with pasting links now a few times and I don't know why, probably because I was in a rush. Normally I check them once I've posted to see if they work, but I was on my way out the door, and just posted it and took off. I thought it was a good read, and I thought it was too much info to post here as well. Thanks for fixing the link, and glad you enjoyed it.

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Horton "Blessed" By Free Agency (and I am sure he is the MOST happy of all Brown's staff about these acquirement):

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In a ClevelandBrowns.com exclusive, Cleveland Browns defensive coordinator Ray Horton believes the team is blessed to have signed Paul Kruger, Desmond Bryant and Quentin Groves during the first two days of free agency.

When Ray Horton was introduced as the new defensive coordinator of the Cleveland Browns in January, he emphasized the importance of having “big men that can run and little men that can hit.”

The Browns kept that and depth in mind when adding to the front seven with this week’s free-agent signings of linebackers Paul Kruger (Baltimore) and Quentin Groves (Arizona), and defensive lineman Desmond Bryant.

Horton said he and the team were “blessed” to add to the depth on the defensive front.

“I think if we keep building the defense the way we are, it’s like that pyramid system where you keep stacking blocks on top and you get to the top and you’ve got that pinnacle of players or player that’s your leader,” Horton said. “One of those guys is D’Qwell (Jackson), and I think bringing Paul Kruger in, that’s another where he’s been there and done that. That adds instant credibility in the locker room, on the field, for the opponents that the Cleveland Browns are going to get quality, good football players.”

Kruger came to the Browns after spending the first four years of his NFL career with the Baltimore Ravens. He registered a team-best nine sacks during the 2012 regular season and added another 4.5 in the postseason, including two in a Super Bowl XLVII victory over the San Francisco 49ers in New Orleans on Feb. 3.

“Paul Kruger, coming off of a Super Bowl, one of the leaders of Baltimore’s defense in kind of the same style we play here, tenacious,” Horton said. “He had 13.5 sacks this year, is just a fantastic leader, character player. I’m excited about him.”

After playing multiple positions along the defensive line with the Oakland Raiders, Bryant adds depth and versatility to the Browns’ first line of defense.

“Bryant (is) a D-lineman with just a relentless motor,” said Horton. “He’s a big, strong, fast kid from Harvard. He’s a guy that upgrades our depth and gives us great balance up there. He’ll be on the field all three downs for us.”

Adding Groves was a double bonus for Horton.

A second-round pick of Jacksonville in the 2008 NFL Draft, Groves made 29 starts in 79 career games and made 152 total tackles and collected 6.5 quarterback sacks with the Jaguars, Raiders and Arizona Cardinals.

Under Horton’s guidance in Arizona in 2012, Groves made seven starts and set career-bests for tackles (45) and sacks (four). The Cardinals led the league in passer rating allowed and interception percentage and finished in the top five in several other defensive categories, including second in interceptions and third-down efficiency, third in red zone defense and fourth in takeaways.

“Quentin was there with me the last year and is just a quality guy,” Horton said. “He’s a great special-teams player. He’s going to give us great depth. He knows the system. We really picked up three quality players that are going to play a lot of snaps for us.

“It always helps when you know you’re getting good men, good players, good leaders. You’re looking for that combination, and so, for me, it gives me a little comfort where if a player has a question, sometimes, players don’t want to ask coaches because they want the coach to assume they know everything. It’ll help a little bit with Quentin where a young guy may come to him and go, ‘What did he mean by X, Y, and Z?’ and he’ll be able to say, ‘Oh, it’s this.’ It gives you a little bit of that comfort. If something’s going some way, he can vouch a little bit, ‘This is a good system; this works. Just trust him.’”

Horton said he was “one of those guys” who believed the team was already deep along the defensive line with incumbents Jabaal Sheard, Ahtyba Rubin, John Hughes, Phil Taylor, Ishmaa’ily Kitchen, and Billy Winn.

“I can’t tell you how excited I am about having the men that we have up front,” Horton said. “One of the first things that jumped out on film when I looked was how these guys run to the ball. They’re all big, strong, tough guys that love football, run to the football, and boy, I’m excited. Everybody, in my opinion, can play football and you can roll guys through. I don’t think we’ll see a drop-off in the talent level. I know you won’t see a drop in effort.”





http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...fb-4d8b5c669178

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Brent Grimes is NFL.com's #1 rated corner. I know he is coming off the injury, but this guy is a very, very good corner. I would love to have him. This is exciting news!!!





I read last night that he visited, and read this morning prior to posting the article that he left with no deal, and I thought they may have not done anything due to his injury being a concern. Glad there's still hope that we can get this guy.

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Good article, LB.

I hope people read the part about DQ and the depth.

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Grimes left w/out a deal? That stinks. Oh well.

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He's probably not healthy enough yet to pass a physical.

It's said that injury takes a year to get back on the field and I believe he injured it in last years opener. So he's got a ways to go.

At least we're in the mix for when he gets healthy.


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Nnamdi Asomugha visits the Saints, I really feel there is where he will want to sign. Him and Ryan go way back when Asomugha had his pro bowl seasons in Oakland:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...-orleans-saints

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For those pushing for Grimes here is a good read. Note article is lengthy and includes graphs and videos. I pasted highlights here included a link at the end.

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So in this piece I hope to present a thoughtful and informative argument that quantifies what it could mean to the Browns if we sign Brent Grimes. Outside of the Achilles tear that sent Brent Grimes to IR last season, he has been a stud at the corner. But as I will explain, the nature of Achilles tears and NFL players is a dynamic piece of science. I will present some facts from a recent Duke University study and apply these facts and findings to expected returns for Grimes in the future. I will admit the validity of my approach may be questioned, but I feel it helps create a context for performance expectation and could help Browns' fans glean what Banner and Lombardi are thinking when considering Grimes and his potential fit with the team.




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If healthy, Grimes is undoubtedly one of the best available free agent defensive backs. He could help fill a hole on the Browns roster that is badly in need of an upgrade and the thought of Haden and Grimes together is not a bad one.

So what’s been the hold up?

We have the money.

We have the need.

He was in the building.

Well, in March 2010, four orthopedic doctors at Duke University published a study that detailed the careers of NFL players after suffering a ruptured Achilles tendon between the years of 1997 and 2002. These doctors concluded that only about two-thirds of NFL players suffering said injury ever returned to the field.




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In fact, their study found that of the 31 players who tore their Achilles tendons during that time frame, 21 came back after the injury. Those players took an average of 11 months recover and get back on the field. Of the players that returned, nearly all of them saw a decrease in the number of games they played as well as a decline in their production in the three seasons following their return to the field.

Khalid Shirzad, one of the specialists who contributed to the study, said the average number of games played by the 21 players slid from 11.7 per year before the injury to 6.2.

Shirzad said the data collected also showed that the players' "power ratings" — what the researchers defined as a statistical measure of performance, ranging from passing and rushing yards for an offensive player to tackles and interceptions for a defensive player — decreased nearly 50 percent.

Specifically, there was a reduction of 95%, 87%, and 64% in power rating for linebackers, cornerbacks, and defensive tackles, respectively. There was also a reduction of 88%, 83%, and 78% in power rankings for wide receivers, running backs, and tight ends, respectively




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In summary, when I consider the comparative performance data and the data pertaining to Achilles injuries / players returning from them, this makes me view Grimes' fit in Cleveland with a much more tempered expectation. I hope this type of analytic data coupled with firm medical research helps fans understand - presumably - one of the big reasons why Grimes hasn't been signed in Miami and left Cleveland yesterday without an official offer .

So what do we do Browns fans? Do we take a chance that Brent will beat the odds, beat the statistics, and return to prior form? Afterall, Terrell Suggs seemed to be able to do so. Or do we move on and start to pursue the likes of Munnerlyn, Hall or even Rhodes?




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There are a few guys out there that still interest me.

FS- Jairus Byrd
FS- Michael Huff
FS- Tanard Jackson
FS- Dawan Landry

CB- Joselio Hanson
CB- Dominique Franks
CB- Brent Grimes
CB- Mike Jenkins
CB- Captain Munnerlyn

TE- Fred Davis

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I remember thinking Kellen Davis was going to be an absolute stud when he was drafted, dude just looks massive and quick on the field. Not quite sure why he never panned out. Maybe it is just me but it is hard for me to picture Huff being 30, doesn't seem that long ago when he was drafted lol. I know alot of people wanted him real bad back then. I haven't really followed him since but I remember thinking he was kinda small, which I know doesn't necessarily mean anything. *shrug*

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'clutch: Jairus Byrd was "franchised"...


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Brent Grimes is NFL.com's #1 rated corner. I know he is coming off the injury, but this guy is a very, very good corner. I would love to have him. This is exciting news!!!


On the other hand, Kellen Davis has underachieved. He is big and athletic. I thought he would be a stud, but he has been a big disappointment.




Yeah,, he's a solid guy.. Yup,,tough injury but all it takes is time to come back from that As long as you don't rush it, he'll be just dandy.

as For Davis,, we have a TE friendly offense coming in... We have a HC that played TE, we have an OC that loves to use a TE. I don't know what, if anything that means, but if he's ever going to work out, sounds like we're the best place for him to find out.


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Who is Kellen Davis? do you mean Fred Davis of the redskins?


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Who is Kellen Davis? do you mean Fred Davis of the redskins?




Former Bear TE, Kellen Davis...

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Oh cool right on. Thanx.


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A final push for the Ravens to sign Reed:

"Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome plans to sit down with Reed's agent David Dunn at the NFL owners meetings this week and make an offer to keep the future Hall of Fame safety. He believes Reed will make a decision this week."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ush-for-ed-reed

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Yeah,, he's a solid guy.. Yup,,tough injury but all it takes is time to come back from that As long as you don't rush it, he'll be just dandy.






He'll be just dandy? Not sure where you got your info and why so many here are downplaying this, but a torn achilles is very difficult to return from. Remember Jamir Miller? It's actually quite concerning: Here's an article and attached study looking at NFL players who've sustained this injury. The study's 10 years old, and there may be some breakthroughs in tendon repair in that time....but it's a huge red flag in my book.

http://lowerextremityreview.com/article/return-to-football-after-achilles-tendon-rupture

A study says that Achilles tears are all but a death sentence for NFL players, eh? Well, let’s have a closer look at that study. In fact, the LER article cites several individual studies, but primarily draws conclusions from one published in 2002:

Parekh et al used a player’s power rating as a measure of functional outcome in the evaluation of “skill players” in the NFL, which included defensive tackles, cornerbacks, linebackers, wide receivers, and running backs.3 The power rating is a measure of a player’s performance using statistics gathered during game play, such as passing and rushing yards for an offensive player and tackles and interceptions for a defensive player. This study showed that 31 acute Achilles tendon ruptures occurred in NFL players between 1997 and 2002. The average age of a player sustaining a rupture was 29, with an average career before injury spanning six years.
Of the 31 players who sustained an Achilles tendon rupture, 21 (64%) returned to play in the NFL at an average of 11 months after injury. In the three seasons following their return, those 21 players saw significant decreases in games played and power ratings compared to the three seasons preceding the injury.

Let's reduce this to bullet points:
•The study covered 31 players playing from fourteen to nine years ago.
•The average age of the players at the time of injury was 29.
•The average career length at the time of injury was six years.
•10 of the 31 players studied did not return to the NFL.
•Those players who returned did so after an average of 11 months out.
•Affected players’ production steeply declined over 3 post-rehab seasons.

In 1997, there were 30 teams in the NFL. Multiply that by 53, and that’s 1,590 active roster spots. Assume 15% turnover (that’s conservative, 2010’s churn was 20.04%), plus teams 31 and 32 joining the league during the study, and you have roughly 2,800 players in your data set. With just 31 rupturing an Achilles tendon, that’s a very rare injury, affecting only 1.1%.

The average player in this study was 29, and the average career length was six years. Nobody on the Lions exactly matches that. The Lions have two 29-year-olds with seven years of experience: Stephen Peterman and Isaiah Ekejiuba. The 29-year-olds with eight or more years are Nate Burleson, Nathan Vasher, Erik Coleman, and Don Muhlbach. The Lions only had one 28-year-old with six years of experience, Tony Scheffler . . . until they signed Mike Bell and Jerome Harrison to try and replace Leshoure; both of them are 28-year-old six-year veterans.

How many of those guys above could pop an Achilles, take eleven months to rehab, secure a starting spot, and then stay just as productive over the next three years as they were for their first six or seven? None, because the average NFL career only lasts six years—and that’s going by the rosier league estimate. How many studies have we seen proving NFL players—especially tailbacks—hit the wall at 30, injuries or no? All this study has done is point out what we already knew: the shelf life of most NFL players is short, and major injuries are a major obstacle. It has nothing to do with the Achilles tendon.

I don’t have access to injury data, but I’d bet you a dollar that these figures would look exactly the same for ruptured ACLs, fractured patellas, torn biceps, broken femurs, or any other season-ending injury sustained by NFL players. None of this data is specifically relevant to a 21-year-old rookie in the best shape of his life, after a college career where he only carried a full load for one season. No elite running back in recent memory has come back from a ruptured Achilles at full speed, because no elite running back has recently ruptured an Achilles.

The LER article itself repeatedly notes that there’s a huge variety of therapies, rehab schedules, and outcomes, and no set-in-stone way to quickly return to full speed. After sweeping generalizations in the beginning, by the end it all but shrugs its shoulders and goes “Eh, who knows? I guess it depends.” If it depends, then Mikel Leshoure has every possible indicator pointing to success: youth, a light previous workload, no prior Achilles pain, and a long track record of determination to succeed. This is a logical double-edged sword: perhaps Leshoure’s rare combination of size, speed, and agility has already doomed his tendons, just as Aaron Gibson’s shoulder joints could never quite handle the torque their muscles were generating. But right now, the “facts” being used to eulogize Mikel Leshoure’s career simply don’t stand up to examination.

Grieve for the loss of his contributions this season. Grieve for the pain he and his mother must feel as his dream is deferred. But don’t grieve for Mikel Leshoure’s career before it’s begun, and don’t you dare write him off.

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Grimes would be the guy I targeted at corner above all others. If he's all the way back from his achilles injury he's the most complete corner available, and in this market, he won't be horrifically expensive.

Now if we can just get Huff and Dansby in the building...






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plus they said injuries sustained 9 to 14 years ago??? From the "Study"

But even just 10 years...Sports medicine, rehab has gotten so so much better in really all areas not just sport related surgery!

What about some recent Achilles rupture, surgery n rehab? I cannot recollect the exact case but In my head (a dangerous place to be in btw...lol ) I see to remember a pretty recent Achilles injury that I was thinking of our Miller n it came out very positive...OH I remember my recollection that was with Terrel Suggs of the SB Champion Ravens...didn't he sustain a Ruptured Achilles Tendon. He is back...so he is more indicative of the advances of surgery n WHAT TO EXPECT then 10 year study on injuries sustained 19-24 years ago???

Still - having ruptured an Achilles Tendon (upper not lower so it didn't roll up - in 2000) its a terrible injury...but so much of it is in the REHAB. I am curious how Gocong comes out. Hope of course the best for him n for us for that matter



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Grimes would be the guy I targeted at corner above all others. If he's all the way back from his achilles injury he's the most complete corner available, and in this market, he won't be horrifically expensive.

Now if we can just get Huff and Dansby in the building...






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What made me look that up was the injury to Hodges....he is nothing compared to what he was pre-injury....and he's a punter. There have been some success stories as of late, but I don't think we're in a position to be rolling the dice given our needs.


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Probably ten reports saying he'll be fine.

Medical science has come a long way since Jamir Millers injury.

Example, 4 years ago, my wife had a hip replacement. 18 inch scar, 4 days in the hospital, 5 more in a rehab center, then home.

On Feb 19, she had the other hip done, Went in on Tuesday, had the surgery done at 3:45pm, home on Thursday by 5pm.

In home rehab, walking with a cane within a 2 weeks and oh yeah, 5 inch scar.

Different then a torn Achilles for sure, but the point is, treatment has advanced.

we are also talking about a very young elite athlete.

Yeah, I think he'll be just fine if given enough time to recoup and the right rehab.


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Achilles injures are dicey, as are any knee injuries. What swayed me as a pro-Grimes guy is how his former team has continued to make a big push to get him back. The reason I consider that significant is because while other teams around the league aren't going to be privy to how his surgery and subsequent rehab is going, the Falcons are. If they felt he wasn't coming along or was a poor gamble they wouldn't be interested in signing him.

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ohhh, Well I figured there would be one guy on that list that I missed some news on. Don't get to follow the NFL as much as I used to.

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I think the big concern right now for a lot of teams is whether he'll be worth the price he commands for someone who may not be ready when the season begins.


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that's always a risk. Let the medical staff look him over,, then take their advice.

if they say run away,, then do so.


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I hear ya, but I'm starting to wonder if that's what's happening. He seemed pretty frustrated after getting two no-deal meetings. Maybe he's asking too high for his risk factor.


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Free agent cornerback Brent Grimes enjoyed visit with Cleveland Browns

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Free agent cornerback Brent Grimes enjoyed his visit with the Cleveland Browns and is expected to start narrowing his choices in the next few days, a league source said.

Grimes, 29, tore his Achilles tendon in Atlanta's opener last season and spent the year on injured reserve. The Falcons, who hope to re-sign him, paid him $10.2 million in 2012 after designating him as a franchise player.

While in Berea, Grimes visited with defensive coordinator Ray Horton and coach Rob Chudzinski, among others. Grimes was in Miami on Friday to talk to the Dolphins.

"Brent enjoyed spending time with the head coach and defensive coordinator," the source said. "He came away impressed with their overall plan for the 2013 season and beyond."

Atlanta coach Mike Smith said at last month's Scouting Combine in Indianapolis that Grimes' recovery was "progressing very well."

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/03/free_agent_cornerback_brent_gr.html


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Well, let's see, the Browns have had him in, the Dolphins had him in, Atlanta is hoping to keep him and who knows who else tried to get him in?

The team with the Biggest wallet (and is willing to spend it) will probably win.


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By the way, Atlanta wanting to keep him is a big tell....


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Steelers showing interest in Dumervil. Do they even have any cap to work with to even make an offer that is competitive?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...-elvis-dumervil

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