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I don't see us throwing big money at the guy. We just upgraded the front 7.
The odds of Dumervil even wanting to come to Cleveland are even less likely.
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Look at what Seattle is doing, collecting pass rushers. There is always room for more. . . at a reasonable price.
Seattle had to get a pass rusher, either in FA or the draft since Chris Clemens won't be ready at the start of next season with his ACL injury.
Seattle (over) drafted Bruce Irvin last year (#15?) as their "designated pass rusher"...
They did, but I don't know if they overdrafted him as he was fairly productive last season. That being said, he's undersized and isn't quite ready yet as a 3 down lineman.
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Lots of variables here.
Denver now cannot really afford to sign Dumerville - Question is the teams with lots of cap space...Did they expend what they wanted to in their Cap Plan already cause Dumerville was a mistake not expecting to happen so no plans for his availability were made n teams expended their quota of big contracts???
He is the TOP PASS RUSHER in this FA market bar none (cause of Freeney's age) he also has shown that he can do it via 4-3 3 point or 3-4 2 point very effectively.
I am thinking more n more about this attacking 3-4 Defense. The more the merrier regarding Attacking LBs. Can you all see passing downs (cause teams go to spread) n we take out our NT n rush 2 DL n then Attack with an array of blitzing from any n all possibilities n movement w/Ansah, Sheard, Dummerville, Kruger n Groves??? Along with Bryant n Winn/Taylor on the DL??? The way to beat these spread Offenses that might take over the NFL is KILL THE QB...Hit him (Legally) hard n OFTEN!
Just like the Giants in their SB runs of late...STACK the team with Pass Rushers!!! They Ruled the day cause of it  Well in the 3-4 the guys to get would be LBs. Or DEs who can play LB.
JMHO! I know some will say over kill...but that is exactly what the experts were saying about the Giants as they took DE stud year after year even laughing at them...all the way to the Lombardi Trophy 
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I don't understand how Cincinnati hasn't already signed him to play opposite Michael Johnson
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Wait, I thought they had a deal with him that would make him affordable.. So unless he decided he wants more, why can't they afford him..
Personally, I think it was buyers remorse that caused that piece of paper not to be faxed.. So it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Elvis has left the building in Denver in pursuit of bigger bucks and greener pastures..
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Wait, I thought they had a deal with him that would make him affordable.. So unless he decided he wants more, why can't they afford him..
His contract (which had three years left, including 2013) had prorated salary of a little over $1.6 million/year in addition to his base salaries. Even if he re-negotiated his deal, that prorated salary still counts against Denver's cap each season. When he was released, however, the $1.6+ million for each of the three seasons accelerated to this season, so now his cap hit is about $4.9 million. That cap hit wouldn't go away if they re-signed him.
I don't know that they couldn't afford him now, because I don't know their cap situation, but I do know that whatever deal they had in place would have about $3.2 million more towards their 2013 salary cap than it would've had he signed it prior to his release.
You also have to consider that now other teams can bid for his services on the open market, which may drive his price up.
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The reason they cannot afford him any longer is that once he was released, then all of his unallocated money under the cap accelerated, and went on the cap immediately. This would not have happened if he had been continually signed to the team, and changed the terms of his deal.
Once he was technically released, his unallocated bonuses and such immediately hit the cap, and ate cap space. If they want him back, they are going to have to cut players to create more room, or somehow get him to accept a deal worth about $3 million.(which I read is the new range of cap room the Donks have after this mess happened)
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The reason they cannot afford him any longer is that once he was released, then all of his unallocated money under the cap accelerated, and went on the cap immediately. This would not have happened if he had been continually signed to the team, and changed the terms of his deal.
Once he was technically released, his unallocated bonuses and such immediately hit the cap, and ate cap space. If they want him back, they are going to have to cut players to create more room, or somehow get him to accept a deal worth about $3 million.(which I read is the new range of cap room the Donks have after this mess happened)
Ah,,Ok, gotcha. that makes sense to me.
So, do you think the agent didn't fax that paper on purpose, or was it a legit oversight.
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I think that the Donks tried to get one over on him, and he didn't fall for it.
They saw an opportunity to take his guaranteed money and turn it into non-guaranteed money so that if they have to cut him, then they can.
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I think that the Donks tried to get one over on him, and he didn't fall for it.
They saw an opportunity to take his guaranteed money and turn it into non-guaranteed money so that if they have to cut him, then they can.
So you're saying you think it was a ploy by Elvis and his agent to get free of the Broncos? Cause in my mind, if the Broncos decide the agent did that on purpose, I think I'd be very reluctant to resign him to any contract.
I also think I'd never deal with that agent again and I'd spread the word..
But then, I'm an Eye for an Eye kinda guy. Actually, take my eye, I'll take your whole head off 
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It was the Broncos who changed the terms of his guarantees without discussing it. They are to blame. They faxed the revised deal with terms that they hadn't agreed to. (if we believe his agent)
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It was the Broncos who changed the terms of his guarantees without discussing it. They are to blame. They faxed the revised deal with terms that they hadn't agreed to. (if we believe his agent)
Well I guess that's the point, who do you believe?
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Well, the way I look at it, there would be no reason for Dumervil to agree to a salary reduction and also give up all of his guarantees. That would make no sense, as another team would almost certainly pay him more and also offer him guarantees.
I tend to believe the agent in this case.
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If you look at who has the most to gain from this, isn't it Dummerville? He's now free and clear to the highest bidder....and not having to settle for a paycut. I think most agents would have played that hand.
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He could have just said that he wasn't going to take a pay cut and wound up in the same place though. The whole situation makes no sense.
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Well, the way I look at it, there would be no reason for Dumervil to agree to a salary reduction and also give up all of his guarantees. That would make no sense, as another team would almost certainly pay him more and also offer him guarantees.
I tend to believe the agent in this case.
OK,, that's because agents never spin anything.. I get it
Seriously I get your point, but something doesn't seem to fit.. if he didn't like the restructered deal, he could have just said no and he's right at this point.
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You seem to be missing a key part in that hypothetical.
To me, it seems to have played out like this:
Denver: Elvis, can you take a restructured deal this year with a lower salary? We'll move the money to the other years and keep your guaranteed money the same.
Elvis: Sure.
Denver: Faxes contract that has different terms than the ones above (for example the guaranteed money is no longer guarnateed at the same level)
Elvis and Agent: Look at contract, refuse to sign it and want Denver to explain what's going on. As all this is going on, the 2pm deadline reaches so Denver has to choose either
a) Pay him the original contract at $12 million since he was not happy with them sneaking in some term. The $12 million would leave no room for rookie signings
b) Cut him to be able to sign all the rookies/FAs
They choose B.
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You seem to be missing a key part in that hypothetical.
To me, it seems to have played out like this:
Denver: Elvis, can you take a restructured deal this year with a lower salary? We'll move the money to the other years and keep your guaranteed money the same.
Elvis: Sure.
Denver: Faxes contract that has different terms than the ones above (for example the guaranteed money is no longer guarnateed at the same level)
Elvis and Agent: Look at contract, refuse to sign it and want Denver to explain what's going on. As all this is going on, the 2pm deadline reaches so Denver has to choose either
a) Pay him the original contract at $12 million since he was not happy with them sneaking in some term. The $12 million would leave no room for rookie signings
b) Cut him to be able to sign all the rookies/FAs
They choose B.
No I'm not missing anything, I'm just saying that I don't know that that is what happened. I'm not at all sure that's what Denver did. I think it's possible that that is what the Agent is saying, but I don't know if it's true.
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Most people on a text based social media site that uses 140 characters or less are saying that it was the agent's fault and that Dumervil should sue the agent and at the very least fire him.
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Wait, I thought they had a deal with him that would make him affordable.. So unless he decided he wants more, why can't they afford him..
Personally, I think it was buyers remorse that caused that piece of paper not to be faxed.. So it wouldn't surprise me to hear that Elvis has left the building in Denver in pursuit of bigger bucks and greener pastures..
Hey Elvis,, can you hear me,, yeah, it's me,, Come to cleveland man,, we got the Home of Rock and Roll here.. dude,, this could be home to you LOL
Because they had to cut him because by rule, the deal was approved of in time and by cutting him, the Broncos took on a cap hit of something like $5 million. So, unless he is willing to cut $5 million from his paycheck this year, they can't afford him.
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And he did just that. Dumervil fired his agent.
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And he did just that. Dumervil fired his agent.
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Elvis drawing attention from Ravens, Pats and Titans:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...-elvis-dumervil
The Ravens can't have the kind of money he will want ... 
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The Ravens can't have the kind of money he will want ...
They can if they're willing to cough up money, have contract cancellation forced upon themselves and forfeit draft picks.
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And he did just that. Dumervil fired his agent.
This is sounding more and more like an agent screw up. Sounds like Elvis was indeed willing to take the cut and that the Broncos didn't change the deal as some folks have said.
I'd like to have him, that would make our LB's pretty damn tough.
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I'd love to have him as well! Then all we have left is a CB and FS to finish up our Defense and we can easily get that in teh draft.
Then next year we take bpa and keep doing that for a long time 8)
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sign him draft zz blitz every play we go 7-1 in november and december because everybody is down to there 4 string qb.
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If a team like the Steelers can potentially squeeze a contract for him under their cap, then I would think that we could too. As far as the Ravens go, frankly an outside pair of Suggs and Dumervil would be scary as hell. For all of the talk about Suggs being the reason that part of the reason that Kruger had a great year last year, Suggs was never himself last year. He only had 2 sacks. With an entire off-season to recover, he should be all the way back. Pairing him with another premiere outside rusher would be scary as can be. Hopefully either we sign him, or he goes to an NFC team.
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Elvis Dumervil would put us over the top as far as our pass rush goes. It would immediately be one of the very best in the NFL. Imagine Sheard, Kruger, Dumervil or any combination of the three rushing together. I would gladly throw $10 million a year at home for the next three or four seasons. However he isn't likely going to want to come to Cleveland, and I doubt another free agent pass rusher is on our radar. If he were still a free agent after the draft we might consider him, but I wouldn't bet on that happening while so many other good teams have an interest in him.
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Dumervil isn't the same player he used to be.
Nonetheless, I'll feel sorry for y'all if he ends up on the Steelers or Ravens. He's still just as good as Kruger IMO, and can probably be a lot better than Kruger on those two teams since they both run 3-4s. Dumervil's decline coincides nicely with Denver's move to a 4-3. The last time Dumervil played in a 3-4 (2009) he had 17 sacks haha.
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Nonetheless, I'll feel sorry for y'all if he ends up on the Steelers or Ravens. He's still just as good as Kruger IMO, and can probably be a lot better than Kruger on those two teams since they both run 3-4s. Dumervil's decline coincides nicely with Denver's move to a 4-3. The last time Dumervil played in a 3-4 (2009) he had 17 sacks haha.
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I was thinking Giants but should have known better with the title "Powder Blue" ...
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Dumervil isn't the same player he used to be.
Nonetheless, I'll feel sorry for y'all if he ends up on the Steelers or Ravens. He's still just as good as Kruger IMO, and can probably be a lot better than Kruger on those two teams since they both run 3-4s. Dumervil's decline coincides nicely with Denver's move to a 4-3. The last time Dumervil played in a 3-4 (2009) he had 17 sacks haha.
I believe its been said 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 TIMES that we are going to be running a 3-4 also
lol, do you realize there's an exactly 0% chance your team acquires Dumervil?
I'm talking about him excelling in a 3-4 in Pittsburgh or Baltimore because you guys have already signed Kruger and already have Sheard. There's no sense in talking about how good he can be here because your two edge-rushing spots are already filled and you're not going to acquire another one with all the other holes this team has. Relax.
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Nonetheless, I'll feel sorry for y'all if he ends up on the Steelers or Ravens. He's still just as good as Kruger IMO, and can probably be a lot better than Kruger on those two teams since they both run 3-4s. Dumervil's decline coincides nicely with Denver's move to a 4-3. The last time Dumervil played in a 3-4 (2009) he had 17 sacks haha.
I believe its been said 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 TIMES that we are going to be running a 3-4 also
lol, do you realize there's an exactly 0% chance your team acquires Dumervil?
I'm talking about him excelling in a 3-4 in Pittsburgh or Baltimore because you guys have already signed Kruger and already have Sheard. There's no sense in talking about how good he can be here because your two edge-rushing spots are already filled and you're not going to acquire another one with all the other holes this team has. Relax.
meh, it gives us something to talk about. Dont you guys ever talk about Eli?
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Nonetheless, I'll feel sorry for y'all if he ends up on the Steelers or Ravens. He's still just as good as Kruger IMO, and can probably be a lot better than Kruger on those two teams since they both run 3-4s. Dumervil's decline coincides nicely with Denver's move to a 4-3. The last time Dumervil played in a 3-4 (2009) he had 17 sacks haha.
I believe its been said 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 TIMES that we are going to be running a 3-4 also
lol, do you realize there's an exactly 0% chance your team acquires Dumervil?
I'm talking about him excelling in a 3-4 in Pittsburgh or Baltimore because you guys have already signed Kruger and already have Sheard. There's no sense in talking about how good he can be here because your two edge-rushing spots are already filled and you're not going to acquire another one with all the other holes this team has. Relax.
There is Never a 0% chance in anything, and NO TEAM EVER has enough capable pass rushers ... and besides we could sign Dumervil and still have 25+ Million to spend on other needs such asssssss Donario Alexander ...
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That's not true at all when the team has holes at CB2, nickelback, FS, SILB (depends on Gocong), outside WR, TE, and probably G as well.
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There is Never a 0% chance in anything, and NO TEAM EVER has enough capable pass rushers ...
That's not true at all when the team has holes at CB2, nickelback, FS, SILB (depends on Gocong), outside WR, TE, and probably G as well.
I would be more concered with your Chargers than Cleveland if I were you ... 
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