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So your saying there's a chance
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I understood what you were getting at.
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So your saying there's a chance
Slim but Yes ... 
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
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meh, it gives us something to talk about. Dont you guys ever talk about Eli?
No, I totally understand why y'all would want to talk about Dumervil just for the sake of discussion.
But it was really silly for someone to chastise me for saying he might do well in Pittsburgh or Baltimore, when in fact, Dumervil is there visiting those teams, and NOT the Browns.
Also, he assumed I didn't know the Browns run a 3-4 which is rather insulting. Again, I didn't list the Browns because the Browns already have two starter-quality OLBs, one of which (Kruger) is only good at pass-rushing. Dumervil's simillar in that he's pretty terrible in coverage and in run support, and only good at pass-rushing. Why would the Browns pursue guys with the exact skillsets as players they already have? Especially since the team has plenty of more pressing issues?
EDIT: Oh and yeah, Eli is talked about quite a bit on the Charger message board. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with discussion for discussion's sake. I'm just not a fan of personally attacking people in an attempt to sell a scenario that's not going to happen.
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For those of you who missed it. My "So you'er saying there's a chance" post was a Dumb and Dumber reference.
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For those of you who missed it. My "So you'er saying there's a chance" post was a Dumb and Dumber reference.
It's a shame you even had to explain that. I picked it up lol...
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For those of you who missed it. My "So you'er saying there's a chance" post was a Dumb and Dumber reference.
Can't believe I didn't catch that haha.
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Maybe it was because I used "your" instead of "you're" when originally posted. I am so embarrassed 
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I feel sorry for Browns fans right now. They just upgraded from Kruger.
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Only 2 teams submitted a contract with him. What?
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Not only that, but for A LOT cheaper. Dumervil signs for five year, 26 mil:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/24/dumervils-base-deal-is-five-years-26-million/
Wow.
After losing the amount of guys they did on their defense only to get Dumervil at less of a price than keeping Kruger is rather disheartening. But can he shift to a 3-4? I'll assume he plays OLB now in their base defense. Who knows...maybe he'll flop. If he does go to OLB, what does that say about Upshaw?
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Not only that, but for A LOT cheaper. Dumervil signs for five year, 26 mil:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/24/dumervils-base-deal-is-five-years-26-million/
Wow.
After losing the amount of guys they did on their defense only to get Dumervil at less of a price than keeping Kruger is rather disheartening. But can he shift to a 3-4? I'll assume he plays OLB now in their base defense. Who knows...maybe he'll flop. If he does go to OLB, what does that say about Upshaw?
Denver played in a 3-4 a few years ago. Dumervil was one of the league leaders in sacks that year and didn't have Suggs on the other side or Ngata in the middle. I wish the Browns were in the mix for him,
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What's it say about Upshaw? Ravens stumble into Kruger replacement Posted by Mike Florio on March 24, 2013, 5:22 PM EDT When the Ravens lost linebacker Paul Kruger to the Browns, most shrugged and presumed that Baltimore believes 2013 second-rounder Courtney Upshaw is ready. Indeed, the team’s website trumpeted Upshaw’s ability to become a pass rusher in the wake of Kruger’s departure. So with Upshaw on one side and Terrell Suggs on the other, the Ravens were set, right? Wrong. Landing Elvis Dumervil shows that the Ravens had misgivings about relying on Upshaw to step up in 2013. Though the Ravens still believe Suggs can be a great player in the short term, Dumervil will likely supplant Suggs at some point down the road, opening the door for Upshaw. Given that Suggs has two years left on his current contract with big cap numbers, the Dumervil-Upshaw duo could come in 2014 or 2015. For now, Dumervil gives the Ravens an alternative to Kruger at less money than the five-year, $40 million contract Kruger signed with the Browns. It’s a rare offseason win for a Super Bowl champion that has been losing plenty of players.
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SIGH.
This always seems to happen. Browns "score" someone from the Ravens. Some weird scenario happens and they end up better off then they were before.
*Just stay calm just stay calm* Gotta repeat that to myself and hope for wins.
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I'm going all the way back to Savage letting them get Ngata. Oh well. I already thought we overpaid for Kruger & said, "what's done is done." Can't let them upgrading the position at a bargain bring me down. 
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Thanks for the article. That's a very interesting take to consider Suggs as the possible odd man out in this transaction. Didn't know until I looked it up but Suggs will be 31 a few weeks into the 2013 season, but Dumervil isn't far behind him. Man, does time fly or what?
Maybe the Suggs' injury scares Ozzie on future productivity, but either way, he has depth at the OLB position now- arguably the most important position in a 3-4. He can't say that at other positions.
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5 million less than what we paid for their castoff and they sign someone 10 times as productive and only two years older.
yup... sounds about right and makes us look like we really overapid
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If the Browns would have focused their initial efforts on signing a CB instead of Kruger, they would have been in position to sign Dumervil when he became available.
I know this is some extreme slippery slope thinking, but still...
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Not only that, but for A LOT cheaper. Dumervil signs for five year, 26 mil:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/24/dumervils-base-deal-is-five-years-26-million/
Wow.
After losing the amount of guys they did on their defense only to get Dumervil at less of a price than keeping Kruger is rather disheartening. But can he shift to a 3-4? I'll assume he plays OLB now in their base defense. Who knows...maybe he'll flop. If he does go to OLB, what does that say about Upshaw?
Dumervil racked up 17 sacks in Denver's 3-4 in 2009. His slight decline started when Denver switched to a 4-3.
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5 million less than what we paid for their castoff and they sign someone 10 times as productive and only two years older.
yup... sounds about right and makes us look like we really overapid
Or that good players go to good teams cheaper then bad teams.
Seriously why are people surprised?
Had he resigned with Denver for the same amount no one would care..
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Not only that, but for A LOT cheaper. Dumervil signs for five year, 26 mil:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/24/dumervils-base-deal-is-five-years-26-million/
Wow.
After losing the amount of guys they did on their defense only to get Dumervil at less of a price than keeping Kruger is rather disheartening. But can he shift to a 3-4? I'll assume he plays OLB now in their base defense. Who knows...maybe he'll flop. If he does go to OLB, what does that say about Upshaw?
Dumervil racked up 17 sacks in Denver's 3-4 in 2009. His slight decline started when Denver switched to a 4-3.
I failed to recall that. More of a reason to sign Dumervil, no doubt. And even more of a reason to hate the signing.
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This makes me sick.
this guy is twice the player Kruger is. They basically replaced a backup, situational player with a force and did it for less. We, on the other hand, are paying TOP dollar for this backup player who rely's on having a better player on the other OLB position to have any production.
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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
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I just can't believe our front office didn't have the foresight to realize that Dumervil's agent would screw things up and therefore be available. We will probably never ever win another game and we suck and oh my God things couldn't be worse.
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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Browns aren't able to sign free agents. Money talks. Dumervil didn't go back to the Broncos because they didn't have the cap space to sign him, being that they lost about half of it when Dumervil's agent screwed up and they accidentally cut him.
This led to Dumervil having to pursue other teams. Eventually the Ravens signed him. But the Browns could have had him if they outbid the Ravens significantly, which would have been pretty easy since the Ravens are operating on a shoestring budget and the Browns have a crapload of cap space.
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I just can't believe our front office didn't have the foresight to realize that Dumervil's agent would screw things up and therefore be available. We will probably never ever win another game and we suck and oh my God things couldn't be worse.
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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Browns aren't able to sign free agents. Money talks. Dumervil didn't go back to the Broncos because they didn't have the cap space to sign him, being that they lost about half of it when Dumervil's agent screwed up and they accidentally cut him.
This led to Dumervil having to pursue other teams. Eventually the Ravens signed him. But the Browns could have had him if they outbid the Ravens significantly, which would have been pretty easy since the Ravens are operating on a shoestring budget and the Browns have a crapload of cap space.
People are over-reacting. Yes Ravens got a gift, however they offer Elvis something the Browns cannot. A shot at the title. If the Browns were closer to being a contender, we probably would have paid less. Players want one of 2 things or combination of the two.: a)Money b) a shot at winning a Super Bowl.
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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
He took a pay cut to go the Rats. We would have had him for Kruger's contract, no problem.
That's neither here, nor there. I'm not saying we screwed up. I'm just saying that the end result, however it came to be, is that we have a player who isn't in the same league as Dumervil and we're paying a ton more for him.
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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Browns aren't able to sign free agents. Money talks. Dumervil didn't go back to the Broncos because they didn't have the cap space to sign him, being that they lost about half of it when Dumervil's agent screwed up and they accidentally cut him.
This led to Dumervil having to pursue other teams. Eventually the Ravens signed him. But the Browns could have had him if they outbid the Ravens significantly, which would have been pretty easy since the Ravens are operating on a shoestring budget and the Browns have a crapload of cap space.
People are over-reacting. Yes Ravens got a gift, however they offer Elvis something the Browns cannot. A shot at the title. If the Browns were closer to being a contender, we probably would have paid less. Players want one of 2 things or combination of the two.: a)Money b) a shot at winning a Super Bowl.
My point is, had the Browns not signed Kruger, the Browns would have signed Dumervil because the money they would have offered him is far greater than what the Ravens gave him. A player might take a discount to play on a championship contender, but if a team blows the championship contender's offer out of the water (like the Browns would have done had they not signed Kruger), the player's going to take the money 95% of the time.
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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Browns aren't able to sign free agents. Money talks. Dumervil didn't go back to the Broncos because they didn't have the cap space to sign him, being that they lost about half of it when Dumervil's agent screwed up and they accidentally cut him.
This led to Dumervil having to pursue other teams. Eventually the Ravens signed him. But the Browns could have had him if they outbid the Ravens significantly, which would have been pretty easy since the Ravens are operating on a shoestring budget and the Browns have a crapload of cap space.
People are over-reacting. Yes Ravens got a gift, however they offer Elvis something the Browns cannot. A shot at the title....
Not with that defense.
This Ratbird team isn't going to be anywhere as good as they were last year. You watch.
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My point is, had the Browns not signed Kruger, the Browns would have signed Dumervil because the money they would have offered him is far greater than what the Ravens gave him. A player might take a discount to play on a championship contender, but if a team blows the championship contender's offer out of the water (like the Browns would have done had they not signed Kruger), the player's going to take the money 95% of the time.
You're point is an errant one. The Browns could have offered, even now, more than what the Ravens offered. They could have 'blown the Ravens offer out of the water' just the same but they're not listening to any of us and that is driving you and other Browns fans nuts.
Let the Ravens have Dum(b)ervil(le). Who cares? There are better players in the draft than him and they'll come cheaper and about a 6 or 7 years younger!
I'm not sweating it one bit and I'm sure that the Browns FO isn't sweating it either.
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You're point is an errant one. The Browns could have offered, even now, more than what the Ravens offered. They could have 'blown the Ravens offer out of the water' just the same but they're not listening to any of us and that is driving you and other Browns fans nuts.
Expand upon how it's an "errant" point. Because all you did was call it "errant", without explaining why.
The Browns FO is kicking themselves right now. They could have had a superior player in Dumervil. The only reason they didn't decide to blow Baltimore's offer out of the water when Dumervil became available is because they had already signed Kruger and weren't about to blow money on a player with a very similar skillset to Kruger.
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Let the Ravens have Dum(b)ervil(le). Who cares? There are better players in the draft than him and they'll come cheaper and about a 6 or 7 years younger!
Very convincing. 
There's very, very few players in the draft who will better than him, and even fewer that will be better right away. And these players will cost high-round draft picks.
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Why is everyone sick? Dumerville would have resigned with Denver before even giving the Browns a thought.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks the Browns aren't able to sign free agents. Money talks. Dumervil didn't go back to the Broncos because they didn't have the cap space to sign him, being that they lost about half of it when Dumervil's agent screwed up and they accidentally cut him.
This led to Dumervil having to pursue other teams. Eventually the Ravens signed him. But the Browns could have had him if they outbid the Ravens significantly, which would have been pretty easy since the Ravens are operating on a shoestring budget and the Browns have a crapload of cap space.
People are over-reacting. Yes Ravens got a gift, however they offer Elvis something the Browns cannot. A shot at the title. If the Browns were closer to being a contender, we probably would have paid less. Players want one of 2 things or combination of the two.: a)Money b) a shot at winning a Super Bowl.
My point is, had the Browns not signed Kruger, the Browns would have signed Dumervil because the money they would have offered him is far greater than what the Ravens gave him...
If the Browns didn't sign Kruger, this place would have exploded in a cloud of hatred and doom calling for both Lombardi and Joey Banana's heads. We HAD to sign him - or Avril or Ellerbee. For whatever reason, they liked Kruger out of the three.
We would have been absolutely freaking out if the browns didn't sign someone hoping that some idiot agent would screw up so royally and expose the best FA OLB out of nowhere.
I'm pissed at how it all ended up, but the FO did nothing wrong.
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