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If we sign Grimes and Milliner is still there @6, do we pull the trigger and draft a CB??
I do. He would be on a rookie contract and make it easier if Joe walked.....or got traded.
I am not saying I want to do that (trade Joe or see him walk), but you can't have to many good corners. Three are on the field in most 2nd and long and 3rd down situations as the trend is to spread teams out.
All three would play a lot....especially on 3rd down. I can't speak for you guys and gals, but I am tired of 3rd and 6 turning in to 1st and 10.
Sorry, pass rush doesn't help you there all that much since the O knows you are pinning your ears back to rush the QB. It is a quick hitting play call. You have to cover the first 3 for the first 3 seconds. Do that, you are off the field a great percentage of the time.
Cover the three early options and make the QB try to look for a 2nd option, then the pass rush might have a chance.
JMO.....I am sure some disagree.
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If we sign Grimes and Milliner is still there @6, do we pull the trigger and draft a CB??
I do. He would be on a rookie contract and make it easier if Joe walked.....or got traded.
I am not saying I want to do that (trade Joe or see him walk), but you can't have to many good corners. Three are on the field in most 2nd and long and 3rd down situations as the trend is to spread teams out.
All three would play a lot....especially on 3rd down. I can't speak for you guys and gals, but I am tired of 3rd and 6 turning in to 1st and 10.
Sorry, pass rush doesn't help you there all that much since the O knows you are pinning your ears back to rush the QB. It is a quick hitting play call. You have to cover the first 3 for the first 3 seconds. Do that, you are off the field a great percentage of the time.
Cover the three early options and make the QB try to look for a 2nd option, then the pass rush might have a chance.
JMO.....I am sure some disagree.
I agree with you peen, I am tired of giving up 3rd and long also ... 
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to me this looks like he either wants to remain a Falcon but has a lesser deal from them or he wants more money period... with his questionable health, I'm starting not to like it, but it would all depend on the contract of course
What? You not liking a move by the FO? Impossible. LMAO
Dude, he is the number one cb on the market. Has been. You have been crying about us signing a CB. Now you are saying you don't like that we made the best offer for him. 
Of course, if we don't get him.........you will say that the Browns blew it by not signing him. Gotta love living in both worlds.
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Plus, I don't think anything we do in FA is going to change our draft board. If we're sold on Milliner now we'll still take him regardless of signing Grimes.
If our #1 or #2 goes down we'd have a youngster ready to step in not having to wait until next year to get help.
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If we sign Grimes and Milliner is still there @6, do we pull the trigger and draft a CB??
I do. He would be on a rookie contract and make it easier if Joe walked.....or got traded.
I am not saying I want to do that (trade Joe or see him walk), but you can't have to many good corners. Three are on the field in most 2nd and long and 3rd down situations as the trend is to spread teams out.
All three would play a lot....especially on 3rd down. I can't speak for you guys and gals, but I am tired of 3rd and 6 turning in to 1st and 10.
Sorry, pass rush doesn't help you there all that much since the O knows you are pinning your ears back to rush the QB. It is a quick hitting play call. You have to cover the first 3 for the first 3 seconds. Do that, you are off the field a great percentage of the time.
Cover the three early options and make the QB try to look for a 2nd option, then the pass rush might have a chance.
JMO.....I am sure some disagree.
Hard to disagree with that. Makes perfect sense and allows for a back up plan on Haden. Sounds right to me.. Milliner and Grimes wouldn't be bad. Milliner and Haden would be damn fine., and Grimes makes the world back there better. No matter how you cut it, Good DBs are hard to find, Elite ones are harder. We could actually end up with 3. Who would get away with going deep on us on a consistent basis.
Wouldn't that make the field a lot smaller for the opposing offense?
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If we sign Grimes and Milliner is still there @6, do we pull the trigger and draft a CB??
I do. He would be on a rookie contract and make it easier if Joe walked.....or got traded.
I am not saying I want to do that (trade Joe or see him walk), but you can't have to many good corners. Three are on the field in most 2nd and long and 3rd down situations as the trend is to spread teams out.
All three would play a lot....especially on 3rd down. I can't speak for you guys and gals, but I am tired of 3rd and 6 turning in to 1st and 10.
Sorry, pass rush doesn't help you there all that much since the O knows you are pinning your ears back to rush the QB. It is a quick hitting play call. You have to cover the first 3 for the first 3 seconds. Do that, you are off the field a great percentage of the time.
Cover the three early options and make the QB try to look for a 2nd option, then the pass rush might have a chance.
JMO.....I am sure some disagree.
Hard to disagree with that. Makes perfect sense and allows for a back up plan on Haden. Sounds right to me.. Milliner and Grimes wouldn't be bad. Milliner and Haden would be damn fine., and Grimes makes the world back there better. No matter how you cut it, Good DBs are hard to find, Elite ones are harder. We could actually end up with 3. Who would get away with going deep on us on a consistent basis.
Wouldn't that make the field a lot smaller for the opposing offense?
and throw into the mix that that Banner doesn't like to resign players that are fan favorites
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I like how you think damon. If we still took milliner I can see him starting at the third slot with Joe and Grimes starting. Then he would half to earn that starting spot if he wants it. Then if he does Grimes would be the one we let go NOT JOE. Then we have elite young corners for a long time. With our new d-line if next season we draft an elite pass rusher or safety we could end up with the best defense in the NFL and have it for a long time.
Then if Brandon finds a brain and some mental toughness we are definitely playoff bound IMHO. Any team that makes it to the playoffs has a chance to go to the superbowl and that's all you can ask for.
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Vers, didn't you know that Banner has that very phrase on a plaque hanging outside his office?
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I like how you think damon. If we still took milliner I can see him starting at the third slot with Joe and Grimes starting. Then he would half to earn that starting spot if he wants it. Then if he does Grimes would be the one we let go NOT JOE. Then we have elite young corners for a long time. With our new d-line if next season we draft an elite pass rusher or safety we could end up with the best defense in the NFL and have it for a long time.
Then if Brandon finds a brain and some mental toughness we are definitely playoff bound IMHO. Any team that makes it to the playoffs has a chance to go to the superbowl and that's all you can ask for.
Another side to that is that Grimes may not be 100% to start the season.. so getting Milliner if he's there is a good thing for that reason as well.
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Sheesh! What a brilliant comment. Where do you guys come up w/this stuff?
See, you were probably thinking Banner based those decisions on skills, age, money or something irrelevant like that ...
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I don't know where that came from.. the only fan favorites he didn't resign here was Dawson and Cribbs.
Dawson is 38 and can't do this forever and Cribbs wasn't the player he once was. My heart wanted both to be here, but I understand the moves..
If you go back to his Philly days, you can't honestly say that Banner made those decisions. Andy Reid made most personnel decisions or so it was reported.
Which by the way is why I'm concerned about this being a learning ground for Banner.. But it is what it is..
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I don't know where that came from.. the only fan favorites he didn't resign here was Dawson and Cribbs.
Dawson is 38 and can't do this forever and Cribbs wasn't the player he once was. My heart wanted both to be here, but I understand the moves..
If you go back to his Philly days, you can't honestly say that Banner made those decisions. Andy Reid made most personnel decisions or so it was reported.
Which by the way is why I'm concerned about this being a learning ground for Banner.. But it is what it is..
there are tons of these articles out there about Banner.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-11/sports/32157024_1_howie-roseman-joe-banner-desean-jackson
No one who interacted with Banner doubted his intelligence or commitment. They respected his business acumen. But as Banner pushed for cap-friendly contracts, some players saw him as cold and imperious.
Former safety Brian Dawkins, a revered Eagle who had an ugly departure, said on 97.5 FM the Fanatic last week that in talks with Banner, players had to make the vast majority of concessions.
"It's one thing to do business, but there's a way to do business without ruining relationships," former Eagles linebacker Jeremiah Trotter said in an interview.
Banner acknowledged some missteps in negotiations, citing Dawkins' case in particular, and conceded that at times he sought total victory ahead of compromise.
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Sheesh! What a brilliant comment. Where do you guys come up w/this stuff?
I don't have to "come up w/this stuff" I read a lot so... other people "come up w/this stuff.
see one post above.
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I don't know where that came from.. the only fan favorites he didn't resign here was Dawson and Cribbs.
Dawson is 38 and can't do this forever and Cribbs wasn't the player he once was. My heart wanted both to be here, but I understand the moves..
If you go back to his Philly days, you can't honestly say that Banner made those decisions. Andy Reid made most personnel decisions or so it was reported.
Which by the way is why I'm concerned about this being a learning ground for Banner.. But it is what it is..
there are tons of these articles out there about Banner.
http://articles.philly.com/2012-06-11/sports/32157024_1_howie-roseman-joe-banner-desean-jackson
No one who interacted with Banner doubted his intelligence or commitment. They respected his business acumen. But as Banner pushed for cap-friendly contracts, some players saw him as cold and imperious.
Former safety Brian Dawkins, a revered Eagle who had an ugly departure, said on 97.5 FM the Fanatic last week that in talks with Banner, players had to make the vast majority of concessions.
"It's one thing to do business, but there's a way to do business without ruining relationships," former Eagles linebacker Jeremiah Trotter said in an interview.
Banner acknowledged some missteps in negotiations, citing Dawkins' case in particular, and conceded that at times he sought total victory ahead of compromise.
Wait, are you saying that because he wants to make sure that he keeps his team out of CAP hell, he doesn't like to sign fan favorites? Come on,, you got players saying these things, they aren't happy they didn't get the money they wanted.. What's new about a player being ticked off about that?
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LOL Cap.
Super: you may want to read Cap's post. He was being funny, but there is truth in there. Banner did not get rid of players in Philly because they were fan favorites. He got rid of them because they were on the wrong side of 30 and were due big contracts.
No one wants to admit this, but it was the main reason why Philly stayed competitive for such a long stretch. They didn't tie their money up on guys who were on the downside of their career. Did it hurt some feelings? Yes, but it was sound business.
For you to say that Banner is known to get rid of fan favorites is inaccurate and misleading.
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Wait, are you saying that because he wants to make sure that he keeps his team out of CAP hell, he doesn't like to sign fan favorites? Come on,, you got players saying these things, they aren't happy they didn't get the money they wanted.. What's new about a player being ticked off about that?
correct that is what I'm saying. I'm not saying it's not smart, wrong, or right. I'm just saying he has a track record of not resigning players the fans love who are at the age of 30ish.
I've got players and his history of players leaving... what more could I possibly need to show as proof? a smoking gun?
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Wow! I thought you were just being hateful, but you really don't get it, do you?
I'll try one more time: it has NOTHING TO DO W/THE FANS!!!
It is all about money and age.
Banner does not say to himself: "Hey, the fans love this guy. I better get rid of him." That is just preposterous, man! And I hope to God that he doesn't sit around worrying about the fan reaction when he is making salary cap decisions.
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it is very accurate... and it is not misleading. if a player gets to a certain age (or probably even a cap number) they are taken out the the pasture
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to me this looks like he either wants to remain a Falcon but has a lesser deal from them or he wants more money period... with his questionable health, I'm starting not to like it, but it would all depend on the contract of course
What? You not liking a move by the FO? Impossible. LMAO
Dude, he is the number one cb on the market. Has been. You have been crying about us signing a CB. Now you are saying you don't like that we made the best offer for him.
Of course, if we don't get him.........you will say that the Browns blew it by not signing him. Gotta love living in both worlds.
I got the idea that Django would be ok bringing in Grimes w/out overpaying.
I think people are getting a little too enamored. He's the same age as Chris Gamble, who just retired. And he didn't become the best option until a GOOD amount of other guys signed. And of course there's the injury...
Don't get me wrong, signing him would make me happy. But I wouldn't be holding my breath. I guess I'm kind of meddling & trying to make sure hopes & expectations don't get unrealistically high. 
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it is very accurate... and it is not misleading. if a player gets to a certain age (or probably even a cap number) they are taken out the the pasture
Correct. Business moves. But you made it sound like Banner makes them BECAUSE the fans love them, not because they're too over-the-hill to retain without overpaying.
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Wow! I thought you were just being hateful, but you really don't get it, do you?
I'll try one more time: it has NOTHING TO DO W/THE FANS!!!
It is all about money and age.
Banner does not say to himself: "Hey, the fans love this guy. I better get rid of him." That is just preposterous, man! And I hope to God that he doesn't sit around worrying about the fan reaction when he is making salary cap decisions.
you should take a xanax...
I'm not stupid. the two coincide. If a player was still on the team at 30 they have to be good, if they are good... they are a fan favorite. What else is there?
it's not like the fans here are cheering and wearing Acho or Alford jerseys. The fans are cheering for players who typically have big contracts
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it is very accurate... and it is not misleading. if a player gets to a certain age (or probably even a cap number) they are taken out the the pasture
Correct. Business moves. But you made it sound like Banner makes them BECAUSE the fans love them, not because they're too over-the-hill to retain without overpaying.
oh... my bad. I didn't intend for that.
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I think people are getting a little too enamored. He's the same age as Chris Gamble, who just retired. And he didn't become the best option until a GOOD amount of other guys signed. And of course there's the injury...
I saw where he was rated as the number one corner before the FA period started. Obviously, the injury is a huge concern, but I expect that all the teams are making sure he is healthy. But, we probably won't get him...it would just be too good to be true.
And if we don't get him, I would rather retain Sheldon Brown than start one of those other guys.
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and at the same time.
Man, i love message boards.
you cut out the meat in the middle that clearly supports my argument. 
you still need to take a xanax maybe 3
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Where is that facepalm smiley? Sometimes I am surprised at how far things go on here (not often) this is one of those times. I'll be sure to wear my Marecic jersey a few times this year. Hopefully Banner will see me and cut him.
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Hey water. I was wondering if you were still around. Good to see you. Btw-------I have mellowed.
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Ya, sure, OK. You must have been a real hellion previously...  LOL
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Ya, sure, OK. You must have been a real hellion previously... LOL
I think he meant aged... not mellowed. 
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Funny thing Vers...... If you actually would bother reading the article SBD posted, here is a comment from BANNER. Quote:
Banner acknowledged some missteps in negotiations, citing Dawkins' case in particular, and conceded that at times he sought total victory ahead of compromise.
So why shoot the messenger? When a guy admits he can sometimes be stubborn to the point of being wrong, I give the guy credit for understanding he has that weakness.
But I wouldn't lambaste the poster who pointed out that Banner admitted it in the first place.
But that's just me Bud.......
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Where is that facepalm smiley? Sometimes I am surprised at how far things go on here (not often) this is one of those times. I'll be sure to wear my Marecic jersey a few times this year. Hopefully Banner will see me and cut him.
is this a j/c or directed at me?
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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