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Most of the trick shot kicks are completely pointless, but the regular field goal type kicks in there are respectable. Though, he's hardly kicking in the swirling winds of CBS.
In any case, it's just a tryout.
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Can't no other kickers get it down like him....
He's kickalicious........
I've seen Dawson nailing 70 yarders in training camp.
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You've got to admit, about mid career Dawson's leg was weak. It's sure come around the last few years, though.
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We all will. The thing is you'll never know if Dawson would have made it. You go back around here. You remember the day people were saying Dawson had a weak leg and should be replaced....the vast majority I might remind you.
You are absolutely correct.
I was on that train for a little while, and then some poster was talking about how the kicks were meant to be high, short, and to the side, so that we had a good chance to get the fumble turnover. And that poster might have been........ GM!
I realized this was the case, and figured, we had a Field Goal kicker who couldn't kick over 50 yards but was on point when less than 50.
I realize that I didn't give Dawson the credit he deserved at that time (although I don't think I wanted to replace the guy), but I do think he's improved in the later part of his career. I mean, we're talking about 7 years ago probably.......... I do think that he's improved.
And that's why he earned his nickname (as in, my nickname for him) Mr. Automatic Phil Dawson. Except when something gets really screwed up, usually not having to do with Phil
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Not if he is outside the limits of age/time removed from his college class that the NFL has set up.
At 28, I would guess that he is well removed from both limitations.
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Well he was perfect on kicks over 50yds last year, yea his leg is so weak, LOL. What where you watching?
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bring back Wolfert and sign him. period.
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You remember the day people were saying Dawson had a weak leg and should be replaced....the vast majority I might remind you.
If your memory still works you will recall that I was one of the few who said Phil's kickoffs were designed to be HIGH not long back when the uninformed people were complaining, and I also said Phil could kick the 50+ yard field goals but it was a coaching choice that prevented him from doing so.
I remember it well... and chimed in, in support. Phil could kick it exactly where he was told, pretty much whenever he was told.
That level of precision isn't easily replaced.
This is a much bigger spot to fill than many realize.
If Dawgs at this site think that kickers are "a dime a dozen," I have only these few words for them in response:
Dawson: Buffalo game, 2008. 49 yards. Money.
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watching the video....for some reason gives me the itching to have a few beers and saying oi, oi, oi. Ah, maybe it's b/c we just had St. Patty's day
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Embarrassed??? I don't get that. Actually I'm hoping we sign him.
1. You know it ain't for big money.
2. You can always CUT him.
3. I hope we sign him n two others??? Compete n Cut the losers!
Why you wish to draft one?
I watched his video. I hope we sign him too! VERY impressive!
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Can't no other kickers get it down like him....
He's kickalicious........
I've seen Dawson nailing 70 yarders in training camp.
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I was just kidding around and applying his name to the Fergie song.
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This deserves it's own thread? We haven't even signed him. We were already discussing it on the Free Agency thread.
It continues to AMAZE me how many of you are looking for reasons to bash the front office. I suppose I should get it, after all, we were contenders for the Super Bowl every year.
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The first time some bum misses a kick a kick that costs us a game I will be first in line to bitch about it.
We all will. The thing is you'll never know if Dawson would have made it. You go back around here. You remember the day people were saying Dawson had a weak leg and should be replaced....the vast majority I might remind you.
yeah I think there was about 3 of us that were digging for proof, stats, and everything else trying to explain how good Dawson was. plus he was playing injured.
I never understood why people didn't like him for those 1-2 years
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 I would love to see that in brown and orange. During the timeout when someone's trying to "Ice" him. You can't ice a man from gat dang Norway!
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Well he was perfect on kicks over 50yds last year, yea his leg is so weak, LOL. What where you watching?
I was watching what other people wrote before I responded to their posts. You should do the same. 
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... I think the wind blows in Norway...
LOL ... nope, the Cleveland winds shouldnt be a problem. Some of his kicks in that video were amazing...
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LOL ... nope, the Cleveland winds shouldnt be a problem. Some of his kicks in that video were amazing...
Definitely but if he were able to do that every time I think the Jets would have signed him.
I'm sure there were quite a few takes to some of those kicks, that said it can't hurt to at least kick the tires, never know where you'll find the next big thing.
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I think this is great for a try out. you can always use an extra leg for TC & you never know how he will develop. 
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LOL ... nope, the Cleveland winds shouldnt be a problem. Some of his kicks in that video were amazing...
Definitely but if he were able to do that every time I think the Jets would have signed him.
I'm sure there were quite a few takes to some of those kicks, that said it can't hurt to at least kick the tires, never know where you'll find the next big thing.
They gave him an opportunity. I'd like to see him kick them with a rush coming at him, but just the kicks themselves are impressive.
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I would love to see that in brown and orange. During the timeout when someone's trying to "Ice" him. You can't ice a man from gat dang Norway!
great pic, Can anyone put this face on a pic of DA in his #3 browns uni? hahahaha
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They gave him an opportunity. I'd like to see him kick them with a rush coming at him, but just the kicks themselves are impressive.
I don't think a rush impacts a kicker at all. His focus at the snap is at the hold and spot. He's not looking at the rushers. If it gets blocked, it gets blocked. There is no way for a kicker to hurry things up any more than they already are.
When the holder catches the ball and starts to place it the kicker takes his first stride. The ball is set on the spot and the kicker plants and then he kicks it. Very little time to change anything in the proccess.
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Didn't Dawson choose to leave? From everything I've read, he wanted to. I guess to bash the FO is just a simple pastime around here.
I wanted Phil too, but if they franchised him it would have been at a ridiculous salary. He chose to move on, I think the fans need to also.
Phil was great in weather, but many other kickers made kicks here in the winter also. He was not exclusive.
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I think that most of us just want to confirm we at least offered him a decent contract to stay here, that we at least tired to get him back.
If we did and he chose to go.. that's cool good luck to him.
But if we didn't at least try to sign him then that is a fail..
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I think that most of us just want to confirm we at least offered him a decent contract to stay here, that we at least tired to get him back.
If we did and he chose to go.. that's cool good luck to him.
But if we didn't at least try to sign him then that is a fail..
I think it is pretty clear we didn't offer him a contract......and as much as I like Phil, I understand the move.
Simply a business move. In business terms, Phil was a 57 year old VP in some company. A solid performer, but he isn't going to move up, so you bump him/her out. S/he can't take it too badly since they probably got moved in to a slot held by a similar person 10 year before.
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after watching that vid a few times, that guys short yardage kicks 20 and 30 were awfully low. even the 40 yarders seemed like line drives. i could see him getting blocked a ton if he doesn't get some leg under it and loft it just a bit. the guys on the d lines are getting taller and taller with greater leap abilities.
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I think that most of us just want to confirm we at least offered him a decent contract to stay here, that we at least tired to get him back.
If we did and he chose to go.. that's cool good luck to him.
But if we didn't at least try to sign him then that is a fail..
I think it is pretty clear we didn't offer him a contract......and as much as I like Phil, I understand the move.
Simply a business move. In business terms, Phil was a 57 year old VP in some company. A solid performer, but he isn't going to move up, so you bump him/her out. S/he can't take it too badly since they probably got moved in to a slot held by a similar person 10 year before.
But typically you don't move out a long term employee ( VP) unless you already have a groomed replacement OR hope to find one that can bring more to the table than the VP you currently have.... neither seem to be the case.
IMO a contract should have been offered..now I could live witht he fact we got outbid.. in this caset the business decision was we have X amount of dollars slotted for this osition, that and given your history and ability says we can pay you so much... if the 49ers gave him more be it money, comfort level, etc. then so be it.
I just think an offer should have been made.
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I would have loved to have kept Phil.
I understand your point about grooming, but the NFL doesn't really groom players. Especially kickers. Baseball is the only sport that has an extensive grooming process. Hockey and Basketball have a bit of a process, but baseball teams have 4-5 levels of minor league ball. You have to give baseball props, they select kids and then spend the time and money trying to get them to the parent club, playing their brand of ball, coached the way they want them coached.
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You have to give baseball props, they select kids and then spend the time and money trying to get them to the parent club, playing their brand of ball, coached the way they want them coached.
yeah and when they fail.... the player ends up being a QB for the Browns. 
Seriously, I understand your reasoning.
Bottom line ...wish he was here,.. he's gone and yeah, we can get another kicker... oh boy when he misses one though... the haters will come out of the walls.
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You have to give baseball props, they select kids and then spend the time and money trying to get them to the parent club, playing their brand of ball, coached the way they want them coached.
yeah and when they fail.... the player ends up being a QB for the Browns.
Seriously, I understand your reasoning.
Bottom line ...wish he was here,.. he's gone and yeah, we can get another kicker... oh boy when he misses one though... the haters will come out of the walls.
LOL You aren't the only one to say that.. I wouldn't want to follow a legend like Phil.., No way..
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LOL You aren't the only one to say that.. I wouldn't want to follow a legend like Phil.., No way..
Yeah, the next guy will never get a fair shake with the fans, you can see that already.
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You've got to admit, about mid career Dawson's leg was weak. It's sure come around the last few years, though.
I can't admit that. I don't think it's accurate at all..
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Phil will indeed be a tough act to follow. There likely will be a lot of pressure on the newbie to perform (close) to Phil's standard...
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Dawson didn't have any problem selling himself to the team that almost won the Super Bowl, did he? Dawson let his kicking do the talking for him, having his best year ever in 2012. While they sure took notice in Frisco, the Browns management was blind.
Teams that have experienced football people in management understand how valuable the best kickers are...they realize the best field goal kickers "win" football games.
Teams that have inexperienced people in charge, people who do not come from a football background...they fail to understand the value a top field goal kicker brings to a team...they believe "anyone" can do it, so why not save the team a few bucks.
Well, most Browns fans realize, not ever kicker does well in the CBS stadium, especially come Nov. and Dec. This decision will likely cost the team some wins this coming season.
Management that lacks a background in football use unrealistic rules, by which they operated. Banner established a rule that operated by in Philly that players near or over 30 yrs old, should not be resigned. Obviously, Banner brought his crazy rule to Cleveland and our Flying J owner, Haslam, doesn't know enough about football or have the courage to tell his business CEO that the "30 and out" rule, needs to be canned.
In Philly, Banner used his "ludicrous rule" to get ride of some good, "veteran" football players...players that Andy Reid wanted to keep. While veteran leadership might not be a part of the game that Banner values, most teams that are consistant winners rely on their veteran leadership to help teach and lead their younger players.
Just how stupid is Banner's rule?...imagine if Ozzie Newsome operated using Banner's "30 and out" rule? The Ravens would not have won the Super Bowl with Joe Banner running their franchise. No other franchise in the NFL operated under such a rule...how did Cleveland get so lucky...with an absentee Truck Stop Owner allowing a "bean counter" to run this team?
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I understand the rationale behind it, but you need the veteran leadership. At the same time, you can't be too predominantly veteran. I do not pretend to know what the ideal mix is, but I expect it would vary depending on the team...
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1. I see a lot of praise for Dawson.
2. I see a little ??? on the FO decision as well as previous FO decision not to sign Dawson Long Term.
3. On this kids video if you look at the tree tops behind the goal post there was a pretty strong win going Right to Left.
4. Kickers is the one position that has turned to Football Players cause kids H/S n College have honed their skills. But you don't have to be Football to be good at it.
You try out many n filter out the competition. Heck I'd open it up to the Entire Northern Ohio are. WRs like that reality show for Cowboys....ehhh no. Kicker - I'd love to see us have an open Tryout drawing from across the nation. Our version of American Idol...lol 
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They gave him an opportunity. I'd like to see him kick them with a rush coming at him, but just the kicks themselves are impressive.
I don't think a rush impacts a kicker at all. His focus at the snap is at the hold and spot. He's not looking at the rushers. If it gets blocked, it gets blocked. There is no way for a kicker to hurry things up any more than they already are.
When the holder catches the ball and starts to place it the kicker takes his first stride. The ball is set on the spot and the kicker plants and then he kicks it. Very little time to change anything in the proccess.
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