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Weeden is lazy
This is the second or third time I've read this on here over the past day or so. I seem to recall this coming up some months ago. Is there an article or something that exists out there that mentioned that Weeden was lazy. Can someone link it if there is?
apparently, someone listens to 92.3 the fan because it's all over that and other espn stations and other sports stations/shows. They make fun of Weeden all the time about 1. he is lazy 2. he is not football smart 3. he is not accurate 4. he can't allude a pass rush 5. he breaks under pressure, 6. he's old.
it's the same type of stuff I complained about that I saw on him in College and that all of the scouting reports said about him.
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Colt is gone. No one is going to pay a 3rd string QB 2.4 mil especially when he has a weak arm and now playing in a version of the Coryell offense.
except for cap reasons and we need to get a lot closer to the cap than we are now and cutting him would only make it worse
something we never had to consider before.
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Well this Browns signed Campbell thread has morphed into a Colt thread 
I personally would like all 3 here - you never know - I'd hate to be 3 games left into the season n both Weeden n Campbell get nicked up n will be back in 2-3 games. I'd feel comfortable with Colt under Center keeping us competitive.
Chud/Norv...they can care less about contract $$$ in their evaluation. The key is who they evaluate higher. Colt vs Lewis. We got mega room in our Cap to not make it a factor. Unless Banner gets a commission 
If the FO is leaking out they will TRADE Colt or RELEASE him...yeah no way we will trade him...obviously its the Bozo's saying this. NO FO would state this or else they are the dumbest guys around which I don't think so.
Trade: Lewis to Eagles for a 6th or 7th rounder.
Colt to Cowboys - Jones understands marketing. Colt has HERO status in Texas n the Dallas area. Romo is getting older n the last couple of seasons there was need for the back up to win a game or two. I think Colt can play up to the Fans excitement n win those couple of Games...man would that cause a PLAY COLT furor for Cowboy fans...lol 
So I see Jones seeing pick a QB 4th or 5th round??? Hey I can get Colt McCoy for one of those draft picks 
JMHO - Heck I would trade both n with that 6th 7th round pick from the Eagles n draft Lalich. 
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I'm glad to see a front-office that isn't afraid of a QB controversy. They've had a different approach than most regimes have. Proclaimed "competition" from day 1 and here it is. I have zero problems with that. I know some people hate the idea of controversy and pressure, I never understood it. If a grown man can't handle media-drama, he won't be able to handle Ngata or Heinz Field drama. I'll take this over clipboard-coddling.
Colt...I don't see much value aside of injury-panic. If the right team (Philly, Shurmur) loses a QB in preseason he could have some value as a security-blanket. Not sure if Haslam wants to spend $2 million on 6th round trade bait.
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Chud/Norv...they can care less about contract $$$ in their evaluation. The key is who they evaluate higher. Colt vs Lewis. We got mega room in our Cap to not make it a factor. Unless Banner gets a commission
that was my point... we need to be within a certain % of the cap or there are ramifications that we have never seen before in the NFL. by taking his bad contract we are not married to him next year and we can get closer to that number and have more flexibility next year.
that was all I was trying to say... I'm not saying we should keep him for only that reason but that can be a good enough reason to keep him this year and drop Lewis. Nothing more... nothing less
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Campbell is set to have a press conference today. Weird that a backup is going to have an introductory press conference.
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If it comes down to arm strenghth, its a tie, if comes down to looking off the reciever and not geting the pass batted down at the line (weeden21) Campbell will start. 
Part of the reason Weeden had so many passes batted down at the LOS is because of the idiotic short, shorter, and shortest routes we can all too often.
I do think that Shurmur's offense made both QBs look bad ...... but McCoy was supposed to be well suited to this offense. This was supposed to be his bread and butter. Instead he looked worse, and worse as he "progressed". He did the same in his 1st year as well. His final 2 games under Mangini, (against Baltimore and Pittsburgh) when he completed only half of his passes with 1 TD and 6 INT, seemed to be the beginning of the end of him.
Further, when a guy lacks any elite abilities, he has to play better than he is. There isn't room for upside, and improvement based on his physical skills. If he plays poorly, and has no great abilities, then he is not going to get the 2nd chance that a guy with greater physical ability will. It's just the way things are. It's like a WR who is 6'5" and 220#, and runs a 4;3 ..... compared to a WR who is 5'9", and 175#, and who runs a 4.6. One guy is going to get every opportunity to succeed, and the other will not. It's the same at every position. The guy with superior talent and physical ability is going to get the extra shot, if anyone will.
That guy is not Colt McCoy.
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Weird that a backup is going to have an introductory press conference.
I wonder if this will be Lombardi's "coming out"? I certainly hope so, as I am really trying to like the guy. To date, whatever is his contribution, they have done a solid job in FA...
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just clicking... I see lots of folks saying lazy, soft and no anticipation. Jon Gruden disagreed.. http://www.stwnewspress.com/sports/x1224...ollege-footballHonestly, Weeden didn;t crush the world last year and his first game was likely the worst game I have ever seen from a QB but seriously, he was decent for us last year. Our offense moved the ball. We scored points. And its his first season...yeah, he's going to be 30...so be it. But it was still his first season. This year, will be a make or break year for Weeden. Either he improves to become a winning QB (improved TD to INT ratio, up his yards per completion, up his accuracy) or we draft someone in 2014. I think he will be improved this year as the offense will suit his skill set more. The question is will he improve enough for us to not want in on the 2014 QB bonanza. If there's one thing you can count on Browns fans for is that we will consistently hate whoever is our starter. 
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Campbell is set to have a press conference today. Weird that a backup is going to have an introductory press conference.
I think it's because it's a QB.. one with some stature. And One that is expected to compete with the incumbent. That's why.
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WTF, Has the FO gone nuts? JC has never done anything but fail anywhere he has played. The closer we get to the season the more I wonder about Haslem. Lombardi & Banner are ruining my life. Now I hear they are still looking at Geno Smith and Barkley. I hear they were really impressed with Barkley's Pro Day.
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Campbell is set to have a press conference today. Weird that a backup is going to have an introductory press conference.
Maybe because he want be a back-up much longer. I still don't see what advantage Weeden have. He was not picked by the current regime, they are paying Campbell a lot of money for someone who is suppose to be a back-up. Campbell is more mobile in case he needs to scramble for a 1st down and he has a strong arm which most Weeden supporters seem to think that is all that count. The writing on the wall tells me Campbell is our man for now.
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Running back Trent Richardson told NFL Network's Steve Wyche during an off-camera chat between segments on "NFL AM" from the Scouting Combine that Browns QB Brandon Weeden had trouble reading defenses on occasion during his rookie season.
So did Luck and RGIII. I don't see this as anything important, he was a damn rookie in the NFL.
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Running back Trent Richardson told NFL Network's Steve Wyche during an off-camera chat between segments on "NFL AM" from the Scouting Combine that Browns QB Brandon Weeden had trouble reading defenses on occasion during his rookie season.
So did Luck and RGIII. I don't see this as anything important, he was a damn rookie in the NFL.
a 29 year old rookie. didn't H&H tell us how we would not have a lot of the rookies problems because he played in major sports "baseball" and his age how he saw a lot of things? or at least that was the crap they were saying when drafted. ofcouse it all changed as the season went on.
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That's a far cry from "trouble reading defenses on occasion".
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Do you have some proof that Luck and RGIII struggled reading defenses like Weeden?
The guy sucked eggs. Too many apologists for his poor play around here.
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So did Luck and RGIII. I don't see this as anything important, he was a damn rookie in the NFL.
Yeah, I've never read anything that suggests this.
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Good God! I'm saying all rookie qb's have trouble reading defenses on occasion...which is just what Richardson said about Weeden. Do you really need a reporter to put it in print? If you're looking for proof....look at Luck against the Lions (until the very end of the game).
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Good God! I'm saying all rookie qb's have trouble reading defenses on occasion...which is just what Richardson said about Weeden. Do you really need a reporter to put it in print? If you're looking for proof....look at Luck against the Lions (until the very end of the game).
It's not so much that we believe that Luck and RGIII haven't had trouble reading defenses on occasion, it's that we're all pretty sure that Weeden struggled reading defenses a lot more often than they did.
BTW, I've defended Weeden on here numerous times and I think he's going to win the proposed QB battle during TC, so it's not like I have some irrational dislike for him. But the comparison to Luck and RGIII in regards to recognizing and reading defenses isn't relevant IMO. They've all struggled with it at times, but one of them has struggled more often than the other two.
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It's relevant when put into the context that TR was somehow throwing Weeden under the bus by making that comment....when it could be made about any rookie qb.
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I am bleh on this one. He's a better backup than Colt, because his skill set fits the new O better............so on that he is good. However, as someone suggested earlier in the thread if he beats out Weeden we will have to draft a QB next year early because dude isn't a starter.
My buddy is a big Skins fan and he always griped about how Jason struggled reading D's. So I watched him even when he was playing well in Oakland, and agreed with my buddy.............his post snap reads were pretty bad. Sadly, that was the same problem Weeden had last year (along with pre snap reads..lol).
I like the signing OK but really hope this is a one year fix if Weeden doesn't begin to "get it" this year. I don't want the circle of below average QBs battling it out over multiple seasons............we have seen enough of that. I also understand why the FO went this way as well.............just no realistic upgrades this off season to obtain.
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a 29 year old rookie. didn't H&H tell us how we would not have a lot of the rookies problems because he played in major sports "baseball" and his age how he saw a lot of things? or at least that was the crap they were saying when drafted. ofcouse it all changed as the season went on.
I believe they were talking about his experience of being on a pro team and knew the drill, what is expected of him and how teams operate beyond the college system. I'd venture to say that most rookies fresh out of college are initially overwhelmed with the whole process of the transition into a professional organization. Weeden was beyond that. That was his experience and those were the "rookie problems" he would not have to deal with like the younger rookies.
I don't think they ever implied that he would step right in with no rookie problems getting used to the on-the-field level of professional football. That he would immediately be familiar with the speed of the game, the complex defenses he'd be facing and the massive offensive playbook that is the WCO.
I'm not defending Weeden as our franchise QB. Just pointing out what I believe the FO meant by his pro experience and that it gave him a head start.
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Do you have some proof that Luck and RGIII struggled reading defenses like Weeden?
The guy sucked eggs. Too many apologists for his poor play around here.
As Browns fans, we're used to mediocre or less-than-mediocre play from the team. It's how we've been accustomed to expecting so a number of the fans actually think that Weeden played worth a damn last year.
Folks, Brandon Weeden stole his paycheck just as much as the people that drafted him did. Period.
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Good God! I'm saying all rookie qb's have trouble reading defenses on occasion...which is just what Richardson said about Weeden. Do you really need a reporter to put it in print? If you're looking for proof....look at Luck against the Lions (until the very end of the game).
Are you really comparing Weeden to two rookie QBs that went to playoff games last season?
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It's relevant when put into the context that TR was somehow throwing Weeden under the bus by making that comment....when it could be made about any rookie qb.
So, Richardson is the bad guy here because Weeden failed to perform? Really?! Come on now. You don't really expect us to swallow that argument, do you?
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Veteran quarterback Jason Campbell chose to sign with the Cleveland Browns on Tuesday because of the chance to help a young team through a rebuilding period, become a leader on the field and in the locker room, and pass along his knowledge gained th¢ough eight previous NFL seasons.
Campbell expressed that joy in a conference call with the Cleveland media on Thursday afternoon.
“I thought it was an exciting opportunity to be joining a team that’s a young football team,” Campbell said. “It kind of reminded me of when I went to Oakland. They were a young football team at the time, and they were trying to get things turned around. It’s just something I want to be a part of.
“I like the offensive coordinator, Norv Turner; I like the head coach, Coach Chud (Rob Chudzinski). I think Mr. Joe Banner and those guys are on board with getting things in order. They’re trying to get things turned around, and I just feel like it’s something I want to be a part of and help in any way possible in whatever role.”
Having the opportunity to compete alongside second-year running back Trent Richardson and throw to a young corps of wide receivers and tight ends was another selling point to Campbell.
As a rookie in 2012, Richardson ran for 950 yards and 11 touchdowns on 267 carries. In addition to his impact in the running game, Richardson caught the second-most passes on the team (51), which he turned into 367 yards and highlight-reel 23-yard touchdown at the Cincinnati Bengals on Sept. 16.
Josh Gordon finished with a team-best 805 yards and five touchdowns on 50 catches, after not having an offseason because he was chosen in July’s Supplemental Draft. Then second-year wideout Greg Little caught a team-leading 53 receptions for 647 yards and four scores in 2012.
“Trent Richardson, he’s a tremendous talent,” Campbell said. “Just watching him when he was playing at Alabama for Coach (Nick) Saban and the way he runs in Cleveland, he’s in a division that’s very physical. You need that kind of presence; you need that kind of running back, and I think he adds a great dimension. I think he’s a great asset to have as a quarterback.
“It’s a young receiving corps. Knowing Coach Turner and Coach Chud, they’re going to do a good job of putting guys in positions to win their one-on-one battles, create separation.”
Campbell was also intrigued by the additions of tight ends Kellen Davisand Gary Barnidge through free-agency earlier this month.
“Kellen Davis, he’s a big, physical guy, and he’s really good in run-blocking,” Campbell said. “He’s a really good possession receiver. He’s a tall guy and you can kind of see him over the field. The kid from Carolina, the young guy that came over with Coach Chud, he’s got good skills. He’s got good speed for a tight end and can make things happen.”
GAINING EXPERIENCE
In eight previous seasons, Campbell, a former first-round pick out of Auburn University, has played for the Washington Redskins (2005-09), Oakland Raiders (2010-11), and Chicago Bears (2012). He has completed 1,328 of 2,182 attempts (60.9 percent) for 14,682 yards and 76 touchdowns against 52 interceptions. In 2009, Campbell had his best year as a professional, when he completed 327 of 507 attempts for 3,618 yards and 20 touchdowns.
By playing for the Redskins and Raiders earlier in his career, Campbell said he gained experience with the type of system the Browns hope to run under Chudzinski and Turner.
“There’s going to be a lot of new things, different words, but it means the same thing and may be called something different here,” Campbell said. “I know how tough it is in this league to go from transition to transition where you always feel like you’re re-learning and are never able to just go out there and play. This presents an opportunity for me to at least be familiar with the offense that I ran before at least a couple times during my career.”
MENTORING WEEDEN
In addition to adding his playing experience to a young roster, Campbell hopes to serve as a mentor to second-year Browns quarterback Brandon Weeden. As a first-year professional, Weeden completed 297 of 517 attempts for a Browns rookie record of 3,385 yards and 14 touchdowns with 17 interceptions.
“I’m going to show him some ins and outs, leadership qualities, and just continue to try and help him along the way to get better as a player in every possible way,” Campbell said. “That’s the same thing I say to myself. We’ve got two good offensive coaches, and the only thing you try to do is improve your game and grow. You want to get better from one season to the next season and keep progressing in a positive direction. I’m willing to help him. He’s older in age, but still young in the league. There’s some things I can talk to him about and help him with.”
CREATING A CULTURE
By going through the rebuilding process in both Washington and Oakland, Campbell knows the most important thing for players to do is show up to work with the same, consistent effort every day.
“Rome wasn’t built in a day,” Campbell said. “In order to turn things around, first of all, it starts with your attitude and a mindset, believing that you can turn things around, believing that you can win ballgames and compete. When you talk about competing, that means you’ve got to put that effort in; you’ve got to put that work in. Practicing at a fast tempo, bringing energy to practice, and trying to carry that over to Sundays. It’s going to be a process, but everyone’s got to be on the same page, and everyone’s got to be willing to try to achieve that same goal, and that’s to go out and win each and every Sunday.
“Coach hasn’t said anything or promised anything. We’re all just here to work to try and improve our football team. We’re going to go to work each and every day, all of us, and try to get better. Whatever my role is, I’m going to give 100 percent at it. I’m going to compete at 100 percent, and I’m going to help along the way.”
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I like the Campbell signing. It adds a base to the team which was lacking. Campbell for all the mixed reviews has NFL talent. Maybe not great NFL talent, but he has not had a great supporting cast.
It will make pre-season much more interesting. Alas, we will still have a QB controversy, but it does add depth to a team in a critical position.
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Campbell's contract is for 1.5mil in 2013 and 2.25mil in 2014.
This is excellent value. We actually save cap money by adding Campbell and releasing/trade McCoy. Very good job. That leaves us about 27mil under the cap, with 9mil easily to be added on top
Weeden, Campbell and T.Lewis eat up just 3.7mil of cap space for 2013...Colt McCoy's cap number is 2.3mil
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It's relevant when put into the context that TR was somehow throwing Weeden under the bus by making that comment....when it could be made about any rookie qb.
So, Richardson is the bad guy here because Weeden failed to perform? Really?! Come on now. You don't really expect us to swallow that argument, do you?
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Houston, we have a reading comprehension problem here. This time I'll capitalize the key words. I'm saying that Richardson was NOT throwing Weeden under the bus with that comment....he was simply saying something that's true of ALL rookie qb's. I was DEFENDING TR from those jumping his case about that statement. My comparison between Weeden, Luck and RGIII STOPS at the point that they are all rookie qbs that OCCAISIONALLY had trouble reading defenses. I did NOT compare his talent level to those guys.
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Campbell's contract is for 1.5mil in 2013 and 2.25mil in 2014.
This is excellent value. We actually save cap money by adding Campbell and releasing/trade McCoy. Very good job. That leaves us about 27mil under the cap, with 9mil easily to be added on top
Weeden, Campbell and T.Lewis eat up just 3.7mil of cap space for 2013...Colt McCoy's cap number is 2.3mil
9 mill? for who?
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Houston, we have a reading comprehension problem here. This time I'll capitalize the key words. I'm saying that Richardson was NOT throwing Weeden under the bus with that comment....he was simply saying something that's true of ALL rookie qb's. I was DEFENDING TR from those jumping his case about that statement. My comparison between Weeden, Luck and RGIII STOPS at the point that they are all rookie qbs that OCCAISIONALLY had trouble reading defenses. I did NOT compare his talent level to those guys.
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Case closed? LOL......it wasn't a reading comprehension problem. At best, it was a problem w/being able to communicate via the written word. However, it is more likely he made a slip of tongue and is now trying to cover himself. After all, he did scream something like this at the end of his first post: All Rookies Struggle!
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Case closed? LOL......it wasn't a reading comprehension problem. At best, it was a problem w/being able to communicate via the written word. However, it is more likely he made a slip of tongue and is now trying to cover himself. After all, he did scream something like this at the end of his first post: All Rookies Struggle!
do you ever let up?
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Campbell's contract is for 1.5mil in 2013 and 2.25mil in 2014.
This is excellent value. We actually save cap money by adding Campbell and releasing/trade McCoy. Very good job. That leaves us about 27mil under the cap, with 9mil easily to be added on top
Weeden, Campbell and T.Lewis eat up just 3.7mil of cap space for 2013...Colt McCoy's cap number is 2.3mil
9 mill? for who?
We are 27mil under the cap and still have those contracts in it
Gocong (4.55mil) + McCoy (2.3mil) + Usama (2.15mil) = that's net 9mil that will/should be cut without taking any accelerated cap hit
We are about 35mil under the cap virtually....
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jc
Campbell's contract is for 1.5mil in 2013 and 2.25mil in 2014.
This is excellent value. We actually save cap money by adding Campbell and releasing/trade McCoy. Very good job. That leaves us about 27mil under the cap, with 9mil easily to be added on top
Weeden, Campbell and T.Lewis eat up just 3.7mil of cap space for 2013...Colt McCoy's cap number is 2.3mil
9 mill? for who?
We are 27mil under the cap and still have those contracts in it
Gocong (4.55mil) + McCoy (2.3mil) + Usama (2.15mil) = that's net 9mil that will/should be cut without taking any accelerated cap hit
We are about 35mil under the cap virtually....
why the heck would we want to get further away from the cap when we need our average to be closer?
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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Campbell's contract is for 1.5mil in 2013 and 2.25mil in 2014.
This is excellent value. We actually save cap money by adding Campbell and releasing/trade McCoy. Very good job. That leaves us about 27mil under the cap, with 9mil easily to be added on top
Weeden, Campbell and T.Lewis eat up just 3.7mil of cap space for 2013...Colt McCoy's cap number is 2.3mil
9 mill? for who?
We are 27mil under the cap and still have those contracts in it
Gocong (4.55mil) + McCoy (2.3mil) + Usama (2.15mil) = that's net 9mil that will/should be cut without taking any accelerated cap hit
We are about 35mil under the cap virtually....
3 mil of the 4.55 for gocong is guaranteed. probably why he is still on the team.
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why the heck would we want to get further away from the cap when we need our average to be closer?
So, we should pay Gocong 4.5mil? McCoy 2.3mil as a no3 QB (paid more than Weeden and Campbell...hows that for the locker room?) just to spend the money?...obviously the answer is NO, you do it to increase VALUE. We could probably re-sign Mack and Ward with that money alone...speaking of....since this was such a relatively "cheap" FA overall, NOW is the perfect time to get a deal done with our own guys....this year's FA numbers are still fresh in any player's and agent's minds
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3 mil of the 4.55 for gocong is guaranteed. probably why he is still on the team.
Don't think so. He had 3mil guaranteed for his 2nd season, which was last one. He's in year 3 of his 4year deal...cutting him would save almost 4mil (4.55- 625k accelerated cap hit from the signing bonus)
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