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Chargers tuned out coach Norv Turner By Kareem Copeland The San Diego Chargers basically tuned out Norv Turner last year. That's what led to the 7-9 record, according to Chargers running back Ryan Mathews. "I think we were just complacent," Mathews said Friday on 'NFL AM.' "The time that we spent there -- we spent a lot of time there -- it was the same thing over and over again. There wasn't anything new. "I think he did everything he could to try to make us win, no doubt about it. I just think we really got complacent to where we were and what we were doing and thought we were owed to win games." Turner ran the show in San Diego for six seasons, made the playoffs for the first three and was left out the last three. Players won't respond to hearing the same thing the same way for a long period of time. That's the challenge for coaching staffs. In the end, sometimes there's the need for a new voice in the room. "We all had the talent," Mathews said. "I think it was just going through the same routine, doing the same thing over and over again. You go there and you do what you gotta do to get ready for practice, go to practice, get out of practice. "It was kind of just a routine thing, it wasn't something new. I think the new coaches being in here is going to be good for us." Turner may have lost the team, but there also has to be a level of accountability from the players. You can't just go through the motions, even if the message is stale. And it's not like Mathews is a 10-year veteran that's heard it all. Last season was his third in the NFL. Mathews said there was a lack of intensity. Sounds like everyone played a role in that. Link
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I'm not really sure how to digest that article... 
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Hopefully the current coaching staff uses it as a cautionary tale. 
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Simply means Norv sucks as HC lol but we knew that when the Chargers hired him. Hell of a coordinator but sucks as HC.
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I think people underestimate the completely different skill set required to be a head coach vs. a coordinator.
Or better stated, some people have the skill set to do both. Some only have the skill set to do one or the other.
Just because someone is a good Xs and Os guy, that doesn't necessarily translate to being a good head coach.
There's my obvious post for the day.
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I don't think anyone can argue that Norv is a much better OC than he is a HC ... JMHO 
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Wait, so you think he is not a good coordinator or that he is a good head coach?
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Wait, so you think he is not a good coordinator or that he is a good head coach?
Thats up for debate 
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hmmm so according to this continuity on offense is a bad thing
Got to entertain these Millionaires I guess to come to work. 
I wonder if anyone here has felt bored at their job. Really? 
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Simply means Norv sucks as HC lol but we knew that when the Chargers hired him. Hell of a coordinator but sucks as HC.
Right but the those players should shoulder the majority of the blame rather than stating nothing was new. Maybe they should take pride in their work and use their talents to the best of their ability rather than taking up roster spots and collecting a check. The following quote says it all...
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there also has to be a level of accountability from the players. You can't just go through the motions, even if the message is stale.
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I do feel they downgraded the HC position from Marty to Norv, LT left and when McNeil when down, that team just completely destructed. I hate using excuses since the AFC West has been incredibly weak and probably the weakest division in football. O well their loss our gain  About time we gained something
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From watching the Chargers last season, I can understand what he is saying. Philip Rivers especially has been so careless, watching that Broncos game, it was like he wasn't even trying in the second half. Ryan Mathews however has no credibility. gtfo with that garbage, you're terrible and you never play. 
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Mathews made the Pro Bowl in 2011 and starts for the Chargers.
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I think he's building up the new staff and throwing the old staff under the bus.
He's essentially saying that the team had the talent but was just going through the motions because the message was the same every year.. Well my young friend, try and go to work year after year with a new message and a new messenger like Browns players have had to do..
If you have the talent and get lazy, that's not the coaching staff, it's time for the players to look in the mirror.
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Made the "Pro Bowl" with 6 TD's barely topping 1,000 yards and hasn't played a full season in his career.
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He is not nobody is my point. He is one of their best players.
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This doesn't surprise me at all. The history of the NFL is replete with stories of great coordinators who have failed miserably as head coaches, for any number of reasons. Most common is that coordinators have to be great with X's and O's ...... whereas a head coach has to be great with managing the entire team, and handling people and personalities. The head coach has to manage the people on his staff, and the players on his team. He has to keep players ready to play every game, no matter the circumstances, and keep a handle on the egos and personalities on his team.
Norv Turner has always been a great X's and O's guy. I loathed him as a head coach, but I love what he brings to the table as offensive coordinator. He absolutely understands the ins and outs of offensive football, and does a great job planning an attack. As a head coach, though, he was, and always has been, abysmal.
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It's Cleveland... Norm won't be here after 2-3 years to become repetitious... 
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This doesn't really tell us anything new.
Mathews is still an idiot (albeit a fairly talented one). Norv is still a terrible head coach (and a good OC).
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My take is along the lines of tab's and Dover's.
It became too routine? Boring? Poor freaking baby? Hasn't Mathhews missed a bunch of time and been known as a fumbler? Hasn't he been a disappointment? Hasn't he frustrated his coaches? What, does he think this is a youth soccer league? It needs to be fun? GMAB!
Furthermore, San Diego's OL was horrid. Absolutely horrid. I like Rivers, but the guy is very immobile. Him playing behind one of--if not the worst--OL in the NFL was not a good combination.
I thought they lost their best WR and that others were banged up and missed games? I thought Gates' production dipped?
Maybe I am wrong. powder can elaborate on my comments.
But, I think it is BS for Matthews to say that unless he is just trying to express hope w/the new guys coming in. I really am not endorsing Norv as a HC, because I never thought much of him in that capacity, but guys were "tuning him out..?" I call BS! That's on the player. You never tune out your coach. You work your stinking tail off to get better. You are responsible to stop losing. You don't freaking give up! Are you stinking kidding me???
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My take is along the lines of tab's and Dover's.
It became too routine? Boring? Poor freaking baby? Hasn't Mathhews missed a bunch of time and been known as a fumbler? Hasn't he been a disappointment? Hasn't he frustrated his coaches? What, does he think this is a youth soccer league? It needs to be fun? GMAB!
Furthermore, San Diego's OL was horrid. Absolutely horrid. I like Rivers, but the guy is very immobile. Him playing behind one of--if not the worst--OL in the NFL was not a good combination.
I thought they lost their best WR and that others were banged up and missed games? I thought Gates' production dipped?
Maybe I am wrong. powder can elaborate on my comments.
But, I think it is BS for Matthews to say that unless he is just trying to express hope w/the new guys coming in. I really am not endorsing Norv as a HC, because I never thought much of him in that capacity, but guys were "tuning him out..?" I call BS! That's on the player. You never tune out your coach. You work your stinking tail off to get better. You are responsible to stop losing. You don't freaking give up! Are you stinking kidding me???
And yes, Toad.........I have mellowed.
All of this is correct. SD's talent, especially on the offensive line, has eroded rapidly. The only good young players we have are on defense. Either way, I think SD's 7-9 record was indicative of their talent level, unlike what Mathews is alleging. They lost some close ones (they blew 24 point halftime leads against both Denver and New Orleans, and lost based on 4th & 29 against Baltimore), but we also need to keep in mind that 4 of their wins came against the lowly Raiders and Chiefs. So like I said, 7-9 was about right for a team of their talent level.
And Mathews' comments really annoy me too. He's been this way for a while, though. He's a good player when he's not injured (his stats declined this year because SD's offensive line was probably the 2nd worst in the league), but he's always had a terrible attitude.
In this case, it's his job as a professional athlete, being paid millions of dollars, to not give up on his team. Players with losing attitudes like him are the reason the Chargers have missed the POs for three straight years and never capitalized on the talent they had from the mid-late 2000s. Ugh, very frustrating.
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The team knew it was done halfway through the season, and played like it.
And yes, the OL was terrible, pathetic, and when your LT is known as the Big Lazy, things aren't going to go well.
Players like Norm, they respect Norm. Norm does not get the most out of his team.
And I blame AJ Smith more than Norm for the down turn of the Chargers.
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He is not nobody is my point. He is one of their best players.
And perhaps THAT is the reason they sucked instead of tuning out the coach...
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Bingo. The Chargers have lost a lot of players over the past several years and haven't adequately replaced them.
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This article points out the one thing that Wilbon on PTI has nailed repeatedly over the years... the Chargers are in eternal naptime and are losers because of it.
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j/c Ryan Mathews' Chargers teammates reply to criticism By Kevin Patra NFL.com San Diego Chargers running back Ryan Mathews appeared on "NFL AM" last Friday and said the team's poor record in 2012 was a result of complacency under former coach Norv Turner. With players reporting for the first workouts in the team's offseason conditioning program Monday, some of Mathews' teammates had a chance to respond to the criticism. "I just wish he would have spoken for himself," linebacker Donald Butler told U-T San Diego. "That's all. Just speak for yourself. Don't make generalized statements like that about the whole team. ... I haven't got a chance to talk to him, but I'm sure he knows that. It is what is. Just speak on yourself, and that's it." Veteran center Nick Hardwick told the newspaper he didn't watch the segment, and while he was hesitant to comment on last season, he knows how hard he works every day. "Just from my own personal standpoint, I throw up before every game," Hardwick said. "I know what kind of work it's going to take to even get through a game, let alone to win a game." Mathews' comments seemed to try to put a positive spin on moving forward with a new coaching staff led by head coach Mike McCoy. Team leaders might make it a point to tell the fourth-year pro not to paint his teammates with a broad brush. However, these weren't comments in the same vein as Pittsburgh Steelers players defining their locker room as "fractured" earlier this offseason. This should be brushed under the rug quickly. Link
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