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McClain had value to me in 2013 because now I don't have to take an ILB early if I don't want to.
I can go with Timmons, Foote, and McClain...see how things unfold.
We discussed a late 2013 pick...but honestly...Everyone knows McClain will be cut....because of his salary and the Raiders simply don't want him.....I made the trade to guarantee he is on my roster vs a potential FA bidding war....and the Raiders actually receive something...for which in the real world they will get nothing,
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Precisely, which is why I made the trade in this mock draft. I reiterate, it's a mock draft.
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Yeah Otay...
Well as GM for the Cowboys - hehehe I am also a Billionaire n Own the team 
I have just signed Clabo RT - to eliminate my need in this draft for a RT. More realistic btw than the other "PRETEND" transaction. Since we are just making stuff up - Come on its a MOCK DRAFT...all this other stuff is totally silly over PRETEND stuff...yes the mock is pretend as well but its got certain parameters. Draft...and Picks...As stated Dallas GM just signed CLABO before the 2013 Draft (which very well might happen) cause it changes my Draft Status. Goose Gander stuff 
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That's exactly why you don't allow player of future pick trades in mocks, you're asking for stupid and unrealistic stuff to happen....just saying. Who would even pay a pick for Sanchez? I think the Jets would GIVE you a pick if someone was willing to eat that contract on the bench, lol
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D4L, your pick is up at 9:50 eastern. I hope whatever trade you end up is worth us all waiting 15 hours.
Let me take this opportunity to talk about the dead time in the draft. The purpose of the dead time isn't for "Free Parking" where you win some semi-random process that gives you a long time to make your pick. The purpose is to ensure that most everyone has a reasonable timeframe during the day to make their selection. If you are able to make your selection, please do so. I understand trying to get the best deal in a trade, but if you have been on the clock for three hours and are available to make your selection, please do so or finalize your trade. Holding everyone in the draft hostage over a 5th- vs a 6th-round compensation is bad form.
Also, if you have any trades agreed to or at least pending, please LET ME KNOW. I'm staying out of the picking this year specifically to try to make this run more smoothly and so far I have been an abject failure. Please PM me your boards if you're going to be away. Please let me know about trades going on. Telling me won't lessen any competitive advantage since I'm not picking.
While we're on trades, we're not trading future picks. What's done is done, but it's clearly outside the spirit of the game we're playing. If you have any deals agreed to, let me know now. You can trade current picks for current players, but trading a future pick for a current player is really just silly and not the point of this. I know eo was saying it to make a point, and I agree with his point... no saying "I signed X player who is a free agent."
Sorry to get all "tampony" about it, but this is getting pretty silly pretty quick IMO... we're not even halfway through the first round.
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I blame Madden...lol 
Ok Commish...no FA signings
I did not make that pretend FA signing of Clabo
I will wipe it out of my Pretend Mind...
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I feel like people are getting way too upset over trading a future pick.
You guys want realistic .. Future picks get traded all the time, it's not like next year we're going to actually use those picks, it's just a way to keep this realistic.
The Patriots wanted to come up to #9 for a player they feels puts them over the top. A future first rounder is the only way that deal gets done. Name a realistic way that the Jets would drop from 9 to 29 without getting a future first round pick.
Not happening.
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i just want the draft to keep moving so that we actually have a chance at thinking about our next selections. weekends tend to drag around here, so if we don't get through the 1st round today, there's a decent chance we'll still be on it Monday.
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It's not really about being realistic... it's about everyone agrees on a set of resources they represent.
I fully agree that the trade with NYJ/New England is a trade that could happen in the NFL, no doubt about it. But there is no impact to the resources you have. In that particular case, it seems OK, but it opens the door for a lot of other ridiculous stuff, like trading a future pick for a player. It's an "I don't have this need anymore and it didn't cost me anything." See what I mean?
Another thing, and this is because there has already been confusion twice about this and again we're not halfway through the first round.
If you say "I'll give you this trade" and the other person says "done," the trade is done, please let me know.
If you say "I'll give you this trade if player x is still available at pick y" and the other person says "done", please let me know. If player x is available at pick y, the trade will transact.
If someone says "I'll give you this trade if 'my guy' is there when the pick is up" and the you say "ok," Please check with the guy when your pick comes up to find out if their player is still available. If you have something like this in place, let me know so I know not to make a big board pick for the team without finding out later there may have been a trade in the works.
Please DO NOT do what THROW LONG did and posts future pick options on the board. I understand he was just trying to ensure the draft would go smoothly through the pick, but as we all see it can have bad consequences.
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j/c
posting here since there was some confusion on it.
1. 9am-9pm is when the 3 hour clock is ticking. it is perfectly acceptable to continue to make picks in the off-hours, it's just that the next persons clock won't start until 9am the following morning. it's great if we can get picks expedited in the off-hours.
2. the 3 hour window isn't a trade window, it's there because this is not the first priority for any of us, so people are not expected to be online all the time. try to get trades aligned ahead of time if possible (based on: if playerX is there, then we'll do the trade, etc.)
3. clevesteve is the commish. send him your pick list when your pick gets close so we can keep this moving without the 3hour window when possible.
4. it's been ruled that no future picks can be traded.
5. i've probably missed something important.
the main object is for this to be fun for everyone. most people want things to move along at a good pace or it gets boring pretty quick and people drop. that's why there's been pressure to keep it moving.
honestly, with all the new people on the board and this mock, it's not surprising we've had some hiccups. no harm, no foul. let's just keep things moving forward now.
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So, TopDawg, you basically got Josh Freeman, a 2014 1st rounder and a late 2013 third rounder for Mark Sanchez, then drafted a player many have mocked to the Jets at 9.
Did I miss anything?
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I also lost Revis in that Josh Freeman trade, but yep that's it 
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Ah, right! OK, Revis evens it out a bit.
Either way, looking great. Just, no more future picks!
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Hated to give up the picks to move back up, but Barkevious Mingo was the guy I've been eyeing and once he fell that far, I knew I had to make a move to get him. Also knew that I had to jump New Orleans for him.
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It's not really about being realistic... it's about everyone agrees on a set of resources they represent.
I fully agree that the trade with NYJ/New England is a trade that could happen in the NFL, no doubt about it. But there is no impact to the resources you have. In that particular case, it seems OK, but it opens the door for a lot of other ridiculous stuff, like trading a future pick for a player. It's an "I don't have this need anymore and it didn't cost me anything." See what I mean?
If this was aimed at me and my Raider trade void it....It does not affect the Raiders MOCK....I just need to know before I am on the clock.....
.I did not trade a future pick to the 49ers for Patrick Willis.......The Raiders are shopping him McClain...and will cut him...I offered what is his value....and the Raiders excepted as they actually receive something in return.
If you truly want to have this thing to move quickly ....just outlaw trades and pick where you team is set to pick.......as soon as you let trades of picks and players be involved.....things switch.
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Hey Hack, no veiled aiming. Just trying to set some rules down I should have made clear before the draft. What is done is done. Heck, I would be happy if the Steelers traded anything for McClain and neglected improving the spot through the draft  .
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Here's a simple solution...
Trades MUST include something from this draft.
Like you said, basically taking a player with no affect on this mock draft is kind of pointless, but sometimes you do need future picks just to make things realistic.
Like Hack's trade (I don't really have a problem with it, but I see why it's a kind of pointless trade for this mock) involved NOTHING in this mock draft.
My trade however, involved 3 other picks for this draft, and just needed that extra pick next year to make it logical.
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Hey Hack, no veiled aiming. Just trying to set some rules down I should have made clear before the draft. What is done is done. Heck, I would be happy if the Steelers traded anything for McClain and neglected improving the spot through the draft .
No...its not done...as EO so classily pointed out...it was meaningless to everyone but me...it changed nothing for the 2013 mock....I can simply not do it.
Everyone knows the Raiders will get nothing for McClain...and even more people know the Steelers will not trade for him...or probably attempt to sign him when he is cut..
This was HACKS GM move....and I am sure anarchy would not be upset by it. I never meant to go against any rules..and the future picks were already being used when we decided to go that way......As was said...we discussed a 2013 7th...but a conditional 2014 was better for the Raiders...even if not better for ANARCHY GM
This is a move I have wanted the Steelers to make since training camp 2012....so I thought I would attempt to make it.
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I have no problem with it. It was a fair, realistic trade. I'm just offering up a possible solution to keep everyone happy
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By the way, PowderBlue, if you're reading this. Would Mingo have been your pick at 15 if he was there?
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But it totally affects this years draft for the guy doing the drafting.
As soon as the Jets got Freeman....it changed their needs for drafting another QB....yes it involved other picks...but it changed their needs..
As soon as the Bucs got Revis...it changed their needs.
As soon as the Steelers got McClain ....it changed their needs
The Raiders got nothing except bragging rights that they got the Steelers to trade something for their garbage.
My solution...just outlaw trades....Pick your slot...and move...it speeds everything up...and makes GM's really focus on what the their team needs are...and is ultimately more "realistic" than trade after trade
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I think the best solution would be to allow any realistic trade. So far no trades have been too unrealistic. Someone giving me a 7th rounder for Sanchez is probably the most unrealistic thus far.
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j/c Justification for the Jarvis Jones pick: First of all, I'm pissed that the Jets person jumped me for Mingo. He was my favorite OLB prospect in the draft. I liked him more than Ansah, Jordan, Jones, etc. And he was the hometown favorite in New Orleans.  As for Jones, I think he's 8-12 sacks per year guy. Not a high ceiling, but a very high floor. I think he'll be able to step-in right away this year and give me those 8-12 sacks, being he's going to start. I also do think Jones will decline over time due to the spinal stenosis, but if we can get 4 good years out of him (which I do think we'll get), then I think we'll have done fairly well. Didn't want Vaccaro because there's a bunch of quotes flying around the Internet that have Rob Ryan claiming that he's going to get Roman Harper back on track. I can sorta believe him. In his system, Harper will go back to playing in the box every snap rather than playing large amounts of coverage like last year. I also tried like hell to trade back because I think the Saints are flat-out lacking talent on defense and need bodies. Those bodies don't need to be impact players — they just need to ensure that they aren't the worst defense in the history of the NFL. This team is a Super Bowl contender as long as it has a mediocre defense and not a worst-of-all-time defense (2009 is my evidence). Whatever. I still don't think Jones is a bad pick — he isn't going to be elite, but he's not going to bust, either. And as I've noted before, I care more about building a mediocre defense with little-to-no risk rather than attempting to build an elite defense with multiple bust risks. NO's offense will always carry them as long as the defense isn't horrendous. Also, our pass rush is now actually decent with Jones, Butler, and Wilson (who's a great 3-4 OLB prospect), and Jordan and Hicks clearing space for them at 5T.
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First of all, I'm pissed that the Jets person jumped me for Mingo.
I knew the Saints had to be looking at Mingo, so when I saw Carolina was looking to trade down, I had to make the move to jump you
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Sorry for my lack of Class - REALLY ?
Simply put just one of the most Pointless silliest thing I've seen in a Mock draft since I've been involved in one for over 12 years...Outside of that - COOL Great MOVE 
My Goodness  lets move on. Its a mock draft - Key word "DRAFT" you all read GM n start going bonkers...lol
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First of all, I'm pissed that the Jets person jumped me for Mingo.
I knew the Saints had to be looking at Mingo, so when I saw Carolina was looking to trade down, I had to make the move to jump you
Yeah, you planned that well haha.
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Sorry for my lack of Class - REALLY ?
I never said lack....interesting that you did.
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Jarvis Jones was one of the guys I was hoping kept slipping in the draft. He and one other guy I like who has a better chance at dropping.
I don't think you need any justification for picking him. Rob Ryan would do wonders with him either coming off the edge or as the ILB-blitz guy (I think he'd end up playing both like a Patrick Willis).
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1. I never did it to be classy - I got a t-shirt on not a suit n tie. We both know what you meant...man up
2. Really as silly as it was it meant ABSOLUTELY Nothing - if I could go back in time I would just take a deep breath, SMH n move on.
3. I hear ya about getting into the real world...(Pick Thread) I'm waiting to go to the gym...its a chore for me so I use anything for an excuse not to go...lol
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1. I never did it to be classy - I got a t-shirt on not a suit n tie. We both know what you meant...man up ....Oh I did mean it....I just did not say it 
2. Really as silly as it was it meant ABSOLUTELY Nothing - if I could go back in time I would just take a deep breath, SMH n move on. No..it meant nothing to you....I don't even really think anyone else commented..but I may be wrong....its all good man...as I said to CleveSteve...VOID IT...the only one it meant anything to was me.
3. I hear ya about getting into the real world...(Pick Thread) I'm waiting to go to the gym...its a chore for me so I use anything for an excuse not to go...lol I now go Mon-Fr....but I don't go till 9pm...harder for me to find a reason not to go at 9...and there is normally no one else there.
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I have a question.
I am on the clock..and discussed a trade with another GM last night.....
we discussed the trade based on me wanting to see who was there at 17 in case someone fell.
I have PM this poster awhile ago....but have not heard back...I am assuming he is at work.
I don't want to make the trade without his approval...but I also don't want to make the board wait.....someone should make me a better offer so we can keep this thing moving...LOL
Seriously though..whats the thoughts on this.
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for future trades, I'd say utilize clevesteve. once you have "agreed based on playerX" then just send it to him and the other GM can say who playerX is to him.
that way, the integrity of the mock is in place (noone knows who playerX is unless trade is executed), but the draft can keep moving.
for now, if you don't know what player he was waiting on, then you cannot execute the trade. if you do, and he agreed to it based on that, then you shouldn't have an issue completing the trade.
again, send clevesteve the PM and let him make a ruling.
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here...NYC suburbs...3 mil within 100 mi. Gyms are packed 5pm - till closing. I go during the day...got to fight the 80+ club for Pool lane as they float with mask n snorkel n flippers...just floating get back to the Womb...lol
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for future trades, I'd say utilize clevesteve. once you have "agreed based on playerX" then just send it to him and the other GM can say who playerX is to him.
that way, the integrity of the mock is in place (noone knows who playerX is unless trade is executed), but the draft can keep moving.
for now, if you don't know what player he was waiting on, then you cannot execute the trade. if you do, and he agreed to it based on that, then you shouldn't have an issue completing the trade.
again, send clevesteve the PM and let him make a ruling.
I know nothing of who he was waiting for.....or if it was just who I was waiting to see fall....Everyone go on about their lives for a bit...Ill give him some time to get back to me...and if I hear nothing I will make the pick.
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Was, and lets be honest, any way Warmack would have made it to pick 22, or even 16 for that matter. Just tryin to gauge how much Rams gm panicked.......
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here...NYC suburbs...3 mil within 100 mi. Gyms are packed 5pm - till closing. I go during the day...got to fight the 80+ club for Pool lane as they float with mask n snorkel n flippers...just floating get back to the Womb...lol
NICE!....I just go to a small mom and pop place...nothing that fancy...just iron and a few treadmills.
they used to have a deal with a local hotel for use of their pool..but the hotel decided they no longer wanted to do it...probably because they had to see me with my shirt off 5 days a week. 
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I have PM'd Steve both the trade and my pick if the trade is not agreed upon.
I hate to move forward without my trade partner's approval.
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One of the benefits of going during the day...my body looks like Adonis along side those 80+ers....lol Actually we got some serious workout warriors men n women. Just pool is bogarted by the over 80 crowd.
Now make that Pick!
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Well..I know he wouldnt have made it past 17.  HACK
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trust me its killing me....I just don't want to screw over the trade partner.....no one else has made a better offer...which....FEEL FREE TO OFFER.
I have pmd Steve all the info....my suggestion EO...head to the gym....you will be home before this moves very far. 
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It's not really about being realistic... it's about everyone agrees on a set of resources they represent.
I fully agree that the trade with NYJ/New England is a trade that could happen in the NFL, no doubt about it. But there is no impact to the resources you have. In that particular case, it seems OK, but it opens the door for a lot of other ridiculous stuff, like trading a future pick for a player. It's an "I don't have this need anymore and it didn't cost me anything." See what I mean?
If this was aimed at me and my Raider trade void it....It does not affect the Raiders MOCK....I just need to know before I am on the clock.....
.I did not trade a future pick to the 49ers for Patrick Willis.......The Raiders are shopping him McClain...and will cut him...I offered what is his value....and the Raiders excepted as they actually receive something in return.
If you truly want to have this thing to move quickly ....just outlaw trades and pick where you team is set to pick.......as soon as you let trades of picks and players be involved.....things switch.
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I agree.
The trade between the Raiders & Steelers was voided. McClain failed the physical.
Now, talk to me after the mock draft and we'll make the same deal. You can alter your draft strategy accordingly.
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