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Well we gave up a second round pick for him was he worth it?
I think he was a steal and will be an elite receiver in a couple years.
He might even be worth a first round pick this year.
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I think it's too early to say.
He was the most productive receiver that we had, but that's not necessarily saying much. Receivers for the Browns haven't exactly been top-tier producers in recent years.
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I would say the samething as you. I think we got a real gem. Wouldn't surprise me if he went in the first round in this years draft.
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Yes it is. Let's give him two more seasons before making a definitive evaluation...
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Yes it is. Let's give him two more seasons before making a definitive evaluation...
knowing what you know about him right now would you take him in the second round or the first round?
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We got good value for him.
We have a top 2nd round pick. Based on his numbers he is a later 1st round pick. Those are NFL numbers.....call them college numbers and Gordon goes top 15-20 of the first round this year. Little doubt in my mind.
A great addition at a bargain.
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knowing what you know about him right now would you take him in the second round or the first round?
In full honesty, I think I'd want our 2nd rounder back. Don't get me wrong, he was a productive piece to the Browns last year. Still, we were 5-11 so it didn't really help that much in the scheme of things.
Granted, it is a new regime in charge now, so maybe it will turn out to be a fine pick. Just the same, I think I'd rather have the 2nd rounder.
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Yes it is. Let's give him two more seasons before making a definitive evaluation...
knowing what you know about him right now would you take him in the second round or the first round?
As it stands now after only one season, I'd have taken him mid-late 1st round...
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knowing what you know about him right now would you take him in the second round or the first round?
In full honesty, I think I'd want our 2nd rounder back. Don't get me wrong, he was a productive piece to the Browns last year. Still, we were 5-11 so it didn't really help that much in the scheme of things.
Granted, it is a new regime in charge now, so maybe it will turn out to be a fine pick. Just the same, I think I'd rather have the 2nd rounder.
He might have better hands than anyone since our return. Plus he is big. I wouldnt think of trading him for a second round pick
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knowing what you know about him right now would you take him in the second round or the first round?
In full honesty, I think I'd want our 2nd rounder back. Don't get me wrong, he was a productive piece to the Browns last year. Still, we were 5-11 so it didn't really help that much in the scheme of things.
Granted, it is a new regime in charge now, so maybe it will turn out to be a fine pick. Just the same, I think I'd rather have the 2nd rounder.
That's cool man.
My thinking is one player doesn't make a team. Based on the history and the pick, I think we got great value.
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It took chutzpah to use a second rounder. But it was a home run in my mind.
He came in ice cold. Then the light went on and the obvious talent shined through.
That he fizzled out the last few games isn't worrisome to me.
But he absolutely could be special if he wants to. And that's a great thing coming from a second rounder.
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I could tell even as early as training camp that he was going to be good. It seemed that the ball would just disappear as it got near him even when he was covered well. I think he makes this team a lot better and I'm glad Heckert got him. Maybe we trade down a couple of spots and then get our 2nd rounder back and still pick up our new corner Xavier Rhodes.
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Gordon was a great pick. No way a second rounder this year would have had the production he did last year.
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this.
he would probably be picked in the area of 10-15 in this draft.
he is a steal from a draft perspective.
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If he stays on the straight and narrow, and continues to work hard to be the best he can be, then he could be a great WR, and an all time steal.
If he slips up, has a smoke, and gets busted ..... or decides that he can get by on talent alone, then he'll be a decent player who could have been so much more.
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JK, Add to that he has a full season behind him, no worries of rookie butterflies and getting used to this level of play. No second rounder, I don't care how talented, is going to have a better chance of the production that he is likely to have in his second season growth. Just my 2cents worth. 
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There are a lot of factors that need to be addressed when discussing Gordon.
1) We got him a year early. When you draft a player with a future pick it means you get basically the 1st year free of charge. You get to mold him for a year instead of playing college ball or risking taking a guy you dont like as much the following year because of need.
2) Translate his rookie numbers to college numbers. He plays like he did for us and he had a 1k season in college. 1000 yards, 6'3 225lbs 4.4 40. The guys is an Andre Johnson clone. Yeah he would have been considered the top WR probably.
3) The top WR this year is Patterson. I've seen him considered top 10. I look at him and I think Gordon is a better prospect. \
In summation if Gordon came out this year and we had the same guys drafted last year(meaning no WR before Benji) Gordon is our no 6 pick. The kid has an astounding ceiling and he's already producing. We got a MAJOR steal.
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these points are the reasons and more are why I don't understand why everyone wanted to get rid of Heckert. I could see the other H. I could see the shurmenator, I could see why Jimmy Dean wanted to put his flying sausage stamp on it... but we should have kept Heckert.
No ONE on this board knew who he was... everyone freaked out when we spent a 2nd on him and not a 3rd/4th/5th/6th and there are really good chances he could be a beast like Andre Johnson.
Bottom line... Heckert finds the gems. I know it's watter under the bridge... it just makes me sick ew got rid of a talent evaluator and replaced him with a "yes man"
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Yes.
It is a silly question. Given the first year tape of Gordon, I would suggest that every team in the NFL would give up their second and about half of them their first.
You wonder how a receiver will translate... for a first year receiver, he looks legitimate.
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He'd be a first round pick in this draft, so yes.
He's also a good fit for Norv's offense.
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No ONE on this board knew who he was... everyone freaked out when we spent a 2nd on him and not a 3rd/4th/5th/6th and there are really good chances he could be a beast like Andre Johnson.
We were discussing him well before the supplemental draft and it was a pretty mixed bag, opinion wise.
Peen actually called us spending a second on him before we did. And no one really 'freaked out'. Some people were nervous, and they should've been, because we spent a second rounder on a guy who had been booted out of two schools for failing three drug tests.
No way do I want a second in this draft over Gordon. I'd be willing to bet if we shopped him, we'd get offers for a mid to late first.
I'm not completely sold on him yet - there have been lots of things said about the coaching staff not being happy with his work ethic starting in training camp. Banner's make some comments about him that were veiled barbs in that regard. But the ability is there, the potential is sky high for him. He has all of the tools needed to be a stud WR1. We haven't had that potential since Edwards.
If Gordon can keep his head of straight, work hard, and stay injury free, there's a high probability that he turns into a legit #1.
I know draft season turns picks into gold, but the kid put up 800 and 5 TD's as a rookie, with a rookie throwing to him. If Gordon was in this draft, and a version of me pulled up in a DeLorean and told me he'd put up those numbers, in the second round, I'd be ecstatic.
Fingers crossed, he keeps it together.
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Well, I didn't want us spending a 2nd rounder on him before the supplemental draft .... and I hated the fact that we did. I felt that a guy with his background, and who was out of football for a year, wasn't worth it.
The jury is still out, but I am increasingly hopeful that I might have been wrong.
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Pretty much what PDR said...
I was a skeptic and thought it was a round or two too high for him, but so far he has proven me wrong. The verdict is still out, as with all players that have onyl played for one season, but it's looking good
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It's almost like Heckert drafted Gordon and Little knowing Norv Turner was going to one day be our offensive coordinator.
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A Bird in the hand ...  I think Gordan is better than any WR in this draft ... its not even close + he already has a season behind him ...  
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I don't see how anyone can not love Gordon. He had the best season of any WR since Braylon's fluke year, and that was after missing a year of college ball. We keep hearing how WRs don't blossom until year two or three. We waited forever on Robiskie and MoMass. This guy is a beast with enormous upside.
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I don't see how anyone can not love Gordon. He had the best season of any WR since Braylon's fluke year, and that was after missing a year of college ball. We keep hearing how WRs don't blossom until year two or three. We waited forever on Robiskie and MoMass. This guy is a beast with enormous upside.
Yup, I think we're set with Gordon and Little, especially now that we have Nelson backing them up and Benjamin started to show what he was capable of at the end of the year. Norwood was looking good before he got hurt. Something ridiculous would have to happen for me to be happy with a WR pick... like Robert Woods or Terrance Williams falling to the third. Otherwise, what's the point?
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Yup, I think we're set with Gordon and Little, especially now that we have Nelson backing them up and Benjamin started to show what he was capable of at the end of the year. Norwood was looking good before he got hurt. Something ridiculous would have to happen for me to be happy with a WR pick... like Robert Woods or Terrance Williams falling to the third. Otherwise, what's the point?
As I said and argued in my mock draft thread...we only have 3 of them signed beyond the next season and Nelson is far from a lock. He was an UDFA because he wasn't the greatest athlete to begin with and he's still rehabbing, so let's see if he has lost a step further, then he's quickly useless...if he's not 100%, he won't help us much and since he tore his ACL in week 1 and it takes easily one year to fully heal...big guys often take longer. I also don't trust Benji yet as a more than anything than an occasional deep route play in 4 WR sets. He does not have any toughness to go over the middle and NEVER fights for balls....he could have easily avoided 2 or 3 INTs last season and the INT % to him was crazy....Cooper is a 6th/7th depth option we can call at anytime because he's familiar with Weeden, but nothing more....that leaves us with Gordon, Little and Norwood...I actually WANT us to draft a WR in the 4th to 6th range
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I really like some of the WRs who seem to be dropping into the lower middle rounds in most mocks (Wheaton and Bailey specifically). The issue is that they basically replicate Benjamin. But, Travis has has injury issues and when you are talking about WR4/5, I think overall talent matters more than "type" so I'd be onboard with getting one of them.
Also, I'm not high on Norwood or Cooper at all. I think they need to be replaced. Not urgently, but it's on the list.
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He's a great value as a high second rounder, especially considering he'll be in his second year. This years it's like getting a steal in the second round who is now coming to training camp with a year of NFL experience. Now I'm actually curious to see what he can do with a real QB tossing him the ball... Wonder when that will happen. 
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So far so Good.
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We will know more by the end of this year n next. To define the value of him with 100% clarity.
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Huge year for Gordon.
He will face a different challenge this year than last year. Last year he was a talented pot-head with huge questions and little expectations other than to make a few catches, progress and stay clean.
This year, he's coming in as the #1 after outperforming expectations from last year. To make the next step, he has tpo continue to work hard and perform on the field as a #1. The initial pressure is off as MANY in league assumed he wouldn't pan out. That may or may not be a good thing. I'd heard a few rumors that he was getting comfortable and a little lazy near the end of the season and thus the dropoff in production. Whatever.
he's got the talent to be great (as does Little) but how he handles himself this year will define his whole career, IMHO.
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We were discussing him well before the supplemental draft and it was a pretty mixed bag, opinion wise.
i don't remember that at all. my bad...
one day I'm going to learn how to find old topics on here and read about them. I probably even commented on there. I think i was in the "who the heck is this guy" crowd and why did we just give up a second round pick
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Well we gave up a second round pick for him was he worth it?
I think he was a steal and will be an elite receiver in a couple years.
He might even be worth a first round pick this year.
I couldn't be more pleased with it. Gordon should be only be better with a year under his belt, and a better attacking offense that Norv and Chud is likely going to install...
JMO but yeah, he could have easily went into the first round of this years draft. Glad he's here.
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We were discussing him well before the supplemental draft and it was a pretty mixed bag, opinion wise.
i don't remember that at all. my bad...
one day I'm going to learn how to find old topics on here and read about them. I probably even commented on there. I think i was in the "who the heck is this guy" crowd and why did we just give up a second round pick
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No ONE on this board knew who he was... everyone freaked out when we spent a 2nd on him and not a 3rd/4th/5th/6th and there are really good chances he could be a beast like Andre Johnson.
We were discussing him well before the supplemental draft and it was a pretty mixed bag, opinion wise.
i don't remember that at all. my bad...
one day I'm going to learn how to find old topics on here and read about them. I probably even commented on there. I think i was in the "who the heck is this guy" crowd and why did we just give up a second round pick
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Apparently I wasn't quite as down on Gordon with a second rounder as I remembered ........ I thought that I was more negative than "We better be right" There were some more negative than me. Weird how memory works sometimes. I really thought that I was more down on Gordon than that.
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He's already better than MoMass and Robiskie were combined as second rounders. I was a bit nervous about using a second rounder on him when it happened, but I'm glad they did.
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We stole him with a Second. In his first year, with a Rookie QB, new system for him and only Little and Watson to draw attention, I thought he did very well.
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