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My only main concern so far is their total lack of addressing secondary needs. We need a starting CB and at least one player who addresses some quality at depth at the position.
Let's face it, even if we do manage to land Millner in the draft (which remains to be seen), we are one injury away from being in very poor shape.
I know you can't address everything in free agency, but when CB and S are two of your biggest needs and you ignore upgrading either the S or CB positions, I do feel it's a major source of concern.
I do find some conflict here. We were told that our D personnel on the front seven was just as suited for the 3-4 as it was the 4-3. Yet it seems all of our major investments were addressed in the exact same area they claimed we weren't that bad in?
At any rate, I'm with you. I'm very skeptical of this FO and hopefully I'm wrong.
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I don't get this. We trade someone (who cares if he is good or bad) in a position we are extra thin at, for a position we aren't thin at? Idk who Dion Lewis is, but I know i'd rather see TRich and Hardesty/Obi than this.
This move makes minimal sense to me unless Lewis is a stud...
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they may have felt that Acho may not even make the team and flipped him for someone that has a skill we need (KR) and can push Ogbannaya for the RB3 slot.
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Or, you can look at it like this:
We traded a 6th rounder who missed all of last year to a leg injury and doesn't fit our new scheme for a 5th rounder from last year that DOES fit into our plans (as a returner, if nothing else).
Browns is the Browns
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The problem is, most 4-3 LB'ers simply don't fit in the 3-4. More than some wish to believe around here in fact.  So if you have someone who doesn't fit and will be cut anyway, at least you get something for him. I actually think he will be more helpful in helping our existing RB's learn the new system rather than actually pan out as a major contributor on the field. But that remains to be seen. But hey, if you get somebody that helps your existing RB's for a guy you were going to cut anyway, at least you did get a little somethin' somethin' for nothing.
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All logical points made from the above three posts.
But as said, he was injured so how could the coaching staff judge his ability to fit in a 3-4 or a 4-3 or anything? Going off college film? A little of something, if better than a lot of nothing and it would appear we are going to go LB crazy in this year's draft.
no_logo, i didn't know he was capable of KR too. The signing is making a bit more sense...
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according to KFFL Phily is bringing acho in to examine him for a torn meniscus. Sorry about the link as I don't know how
Let's hope this trade doesn't fall through. Seems like a good move. On the other board, I was saying one of our needs was a Sproles-type back. We may have got him. With our luck, this trade will be rescinded.
A couple of you mentioned this, but I wonder if we are working on a move to trade Hardesty? A corner would be nice, but that is probably just wishful thinking. Heck, I would give up TRich if we could get Milliner. Don't shoot me! LOL
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Heck, I would give up TRich if we could get Milliner. Don't shoot me! LOL
I would do that trade all day long except... i'd do it for Revis Island.
here is what haden says about him:
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"I would say honestly, and this is just me being real 100 percent, I would say Darrelle Revis," Haden said on NBC Sports Network's "Pro Football Talk." "I studied tape on guys, and I try to look and see what I can do to get my game to be on their levels (and) I feel like I'm honestly the number two cornerback in the league, that's just my opinion personally."
Haden added: "I studied all the good guys, all the great guys that are in the league now but Darrelle Revis he just stands out cause he's just complete. He tackles, he can play off, he can play press, and he's just very, very, very patient and he's just hard to deal with off the line. His footwork on the line is amazing and that's just the one thing I feel like I need to get to his level is just press so I feel that's why he's the No. 1 cornerback now."
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My take...I liked Acho the prospect. He fell in the draft and we were right to snag him. He got hurt and who knows what kind of pro he could become.
About Dion Lewis I liked him too and he was a phenom earlier in his Pitt career. He can make some moves that will make you jump out of your seat.
He seems to be one of those guys those who runs in first gear. People catch him from behind and I'm talking linebackers when I saw him in Philly.
He got jumped on the depth chart by Bryce Brown who is the real deal. There was no way Lewis was going to sniff the field in Philly thus he was expendable.
All in all this might work out well for both sides.
Here's Bryce Brown btw:
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[quoteHe seems to be one of those guys those who runs in first gear. People catch him from behind and I'm talking linebackers when I saw him in Philly.
That's disappointing to hear.
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He reminds me of a slower, less powerful LeSean McCoy when he was at Pitt. He's got some of the best moves you will ever see, extremely quick, but he doesn't have that extra gear like McCoy does.
He's a good, shifty change from Richardson's one cut style, but he doesn't have much top end speed. He's a solid enough back and a great compliment to Richardson.
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Sounds like Jerome Harrison.
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I think that's fair. I think Dion is a better receiver than Harrison ever was, but they are similar in their running styles.
you had a good run Hank.
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Well, that makes four RB's. Guess we have to draft one now to make the five.... Meanwhile, good fit or not, we just lost another linebacker. We need EIGHT at minimum. We don't even have a starting lineup yet.... We have a hole at one OLB position and we have a hole at ILB. That plus a serious lack of depth at the position is worrisome....So unless we intend on drafting nothing BUT linebackers, we better start bringing some in. The Cowboys are switching to a 4-3, why not make a trade with them? One of their backers for Hughes or Sheard? Or we can just run the 4-3 again and save ourselves the arduous task of yet again rebuilding the entire front seven.....
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Think its a really good trade...Dion Lewis is a playmaker doesn't have elite timed speed but his game speed is very good..great cuts and hands...Im thrilled to have a scat back..now only if this team can actually perform a flawless screen (idk how many years I've seen our browns run this play horribly while other teams weekly run this play perfected) Acho seems more aimed as a 4-3 LB as he has a more slight build...and doesn't take on blockers well..and for his size is not explosive...so its best to get something out of him...not bad and we can erase a late round pick on a RB now (per our mocks) should be fun to see the competition at #2 and #3 RB
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OLB: Sheard, Kruger backups: Groves, ?? ILB: DQ, JMJ backups: Robertson, Fort
We need 1 OLB for sure + it'd be nice to replace Fort with a non-nickel guy since Robertson is our nickel LB (IMO at least) and we don't know if JMJ can handle starting.
How do we not have 2 starters at OLB?
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I would suspect that guys like Emmanuel and Adams will also compete there ......... however, I think that we will draft at least 1 more OLB. (and maybe 2)
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After applauding the FO for getting a steal in the draft with Acho I heard nothing but terrible reviews of him in Cleveland. When I saw him in training ccamp he moved like a 230lb DT. Not surprised as he had no shot to make the team.
So for LBs we have Sheard, Kruger, Groves, Adams and possibly Hall(DE or OLB) on the outside. DQ, JMJ, Fort, Robertson, Carder and Moten on the inside. Numbers wise we have the LBs. Would like to see a late round OLB at least. Hall and especially Adams could be knocked out easy by a draft pick. Another ILB to be the primary backup(John Simon?) would be nice as well. I like Fort and Robertson but I'd hate to rely on Fort as our only true backup and Robertson as a nickel LB only. We need a developmental guy. I have a lot of faith in JMJ to start and surprise people. My favorite rook last year.
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I wanna say please please please be close to a sproles
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Yeah, I think that a lot of people got caught up in the idea that he was his brother. He wasn't, and wasn't even close.
All I heard about him was that he struggled in every phase of the game in the pre-season last year.
He was a great story. He's a great kid. He works with children in Nigeria, trying to save lives over there. Unfortunately, he's not a good football player.
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Interesting move considering Philadelphia is planning on running a 3-4 defense next season.
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whelp. I hope this means that Montario Hardley-worth-it-sty is seeing his last days on our roster.
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Considering he was by far our best running back last season I hope not.
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I think that Hardesty has value as a 2nd back/backup type. He did a very nice job last year for the Browns.
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Interesting move considering Philadelphia is planning on running a 3-4 defense next season.
That's what I keep thinking with all of these 4-3 comments.
We already have enough projects at LB...Fort, JMJ, Roberson. Acho was the odd man out. Won't be surprised if another fails to make the cut by the 53 man roster. We definitely need more bodies at LB, but we'll see who Banner/Lombardi pickup and where they go with it.
I figured they'd want 1 of their own RBs before camp. They got an ol' Banner Boy. I'm sure they'll put their stamp on FB as well.
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As a side note on Banner boy's: Hardesty went to University of Tennessee.
Surprised we didn't try to trade for Bryce Brown(Tennessee 2009). I'd gladly do Acho and a 5th for him.
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As a side note on Banner boy's: Hardesty went to University of Tennessee.
Surprised we didn't try to trade for Bryce Brown(Tennessee 2009). I'd gladly do Acho and a 5th for him.
Who knows? Maybe we did TRY to trade for Brown. But I am not sure why Eagles would consider letting him go.
Lewis was the odd man out in Philadelphia. The same thing possibly with Acho although we didn't see him play. It's probably better for them to switch teams rather than going to the Land of Misfit Toys.
Good luck to both.
Lewis, although people have been saying he doesn't have top end speed, does seem to compliment Richardson as being a change of pace and style. And it seems he would be given a chance to catch the ball which would be an upgrade to what we've seem from Hardesty in the past.
Wonder where the true competition will come from.....
Battle for the 3rd down back---Lewis vs Oby (although I think Richardson could do this as well) Battle for the back-up RB-----Lewis vs Hardesty
It will be a position battle worth watching.
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1. I can't believe some are acting like Acho was vying for a position here n was the top competitor for that position.
Carder got more field time including ST, Robertson, Fort, I don't know much about Moten. We add 3 more LBs in Kruger, Sheard n Groves. We got DQ n JMJ one a definite starter the other probably penciled in at the other ILB position...I thought he was a step above all the other young LBs. btw we got 9 LBs now n I got an Inkling that we have a pretty good shot at taking another LB in the draft.
We do not know if Dion had a small injury that he wanted to play through cause he's getting an opportunity. Quite frankly I don't remember seeing him at all with the Eagles just taking the word of dawgs here expounding on his negatives.
All I know is I followed his career in college. The kid had some amazing game. KR? 3rd down back? Speed? Not super fast 40 4.47 Pro day n 4.56 at Combine. Water bug quickness. Without a doubt this is a kid who was Spoiled with Greatness n in College. He was a better RB his freshman year.
I think without a doubt he is immature. I think he came into the NFL with the same Star attitude n that he did not have to work HARD.
We gave up nothing - Acho was going to have to fight for a roster spot not starting spot. In retrospect Eagles gave up nothing (not knowing exactly what O they will run???) for a kid who was going to fight for a Roster spot n not fight for a starting RB spot.
We got two prospects that have not faired too well.
One who has a good character n will work hard but just isn't that good of a Football Player n he had knee surgery his rookie season.
One player who has shown to be immature n not of a become the best work hard attitude but has God given amazing skills.
I don't think Acho has much of a chance. I hope he passes the medical exam n stays healthy.
Dion Lewis...hopefully ate a big piece of HUMBLE PIE. Keep in mind I am not so sure what support he had in Philly...they had a WR that was pretty much a do as he pleased kind of guy. I'm hoping our quantity of young players all who seem to be on page to working hard...Trent maybe taking him under his wing in personal workouts? showing him the ropes in making himself a better RB? Along with Hardesty n Ogb. I'm hoping he turns his career around with this new start. Reward...we get the edge on that. Risk outside of the injury the Eagles get the edge on that?
btw I know CB was again scrutinized for this FO - We targeted one top CB possibly another but One who came here - we went at him hard. He chose another. Now is where the PAPER GM MIND SET TAKES OVER...GET ANY CB??? Why? We felt there was a specific quality n targeted CB we wanted...we were not going to settle out of Desperation.
We did go out n get 2 kids that that had some skill but nothing significant in regards to impact. 2nd tier depth CBs to compete n add depth. We did not IGNORE the position.
You don't have to get a Starting CB to improve your CB position. The expenditure in a FA CB is GREAT. Note we still have to sign Haden so he doesn't reach that CB market.
Odds are we will add another CB or two in the draft just like the odds are we add a LB as well. More than likely our first draft pick will be either a CB or OLB.
Established Sproles RB? NO WAY...Possible Sproles RB...up to him to work hard - Yes, Possible.
Acho established...Anything? No Way. Possible ST yes, Possible starting LB, didn't show the natural skill set - OLB point him n pass rush??? Possible.
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Carder is head and shoulders above Acho, better instincts, better leverage, quicker and a hell of a lot meaner.
I know Iknow every player we let go, trade or don't sign is a pro bnowler in waiting.
All I know there was no accumulated dust on Acho's side of the bench.
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Wow, what did I miss Eo, I don't remember seeing anyone say anything super positive about Acho. In fact, how could anyone. He hasn't played a down in the NFL yet.
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Daman, I don't see it either. Not much criticism of this move, let alone praise for Acho. Possibly something from one of the Regime Debates? Not sure, I try to avoid that scene.
Anyhow, I forgot Acho was even on our roster, I thought he was released at some point. I've wanted a scatback for years. Lewis was not on my radar, but I'll take it.
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Daman, I don't see it either. Not much criticism of this move, let alone praise for Acho. Possibly something from one of the Regime Debates? Not sure, I try to avoid that scene.
Anyhow, I forgot Acho was even on our roster, I thought he was released at some point. I've wanted a scatback for years. Lewis was not on my radar, but I'll take it.
No, he wasn't released, of course you know that already, but he didn't play either which makes me wonder how anyone could say either positive or negative about him in the NFL.. As for College, hell, he's almost 2 years removed..
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Possibly something from one of the Regime Debates? Not sure, I try to avoid that scene.
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Good luck with that... you can't swing a dead cat and not hit somebody embroiled in a past regime debate. 
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"Eagles traded RB Dion Lewis to the Browns in exchange for LB Emmanuel Acho."
We ever employed Acho? I thought we had sunken so low that we were trading other teams players...
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Wow, what did I miss Eo, I don't remember seeing anyone say anything super positive about Acho. In fact, how could anyone. He hasn't played a down in the NFL yet.
yeah you're right I have no clue where I got that from skimmed though all the post n nothing really of that sort...just a little from LB Dawg but he backed off the quesiton so - MY BAD
And no regime stuff to crutch onto...just an error on my part...I did write an entire book that had some value though...lol
Actually its worth to look at college...cause this was a kid that was 2nd round - early 3rd the latest status that didn't get taken till the 5th??? There was something else involved besides talent in all this.
New beginnings sometimes have had turn arounds. A few not the majority. Whatever this kid was hanging with...tough area of Albany n possibly cannot free himself from is Friends that hold him back. I don't know.
Again - NO RISK HIGH REWARDS - I'll take all the time.
JMHO he's going to have to fight hard, work hard n compete...Or else find himself out of football...contract doesn't even count to our cap right now.
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LOL You didn't need to explain anything to me Eo,, we all make mistakes. And I wasn't trying to pick on you either, it was that I just didn't see it anyway so I wondered what I missed.
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Again - NO RISK HIGH REWARDS - I'll take all the time.
Then why not in FA? 
Ok, ok, I didn't want to crash the party 
Dion Lewis is a good RB and if given the opportunity can push any RB on the roster....there I said it 
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