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PFT Eddie Lacy finally runs, and reportedly runs fast Posted by Mike Florio on April 11, 2013, 11:13 AM EDT Alabama running back Eddie Lacy, whose draft stock had been slipping and sliding while he was unable to work out at the Scouting Combine or during his Pro Day due to a hamstring injury, finally is healthy enough to run for scouts. He ran today in Tuscaloosa, and at least one account has Lacy running very fast for a 230-pound tailback. Via Mark Edwards of the Anniston (Ala.) Star, Lacy unofficially ran a pair of 4.4-second 40-yard dashes. It’s unclear whether that’s 4.40 or 4.49 or somewhere in between. And it remains to be seen whether other stopwatches showed slower times. Still, the fact that Lacy was able to run and that he apparently ran at least in the mid-four-second range is good news for a guy who would be, in our view, a great fit for the Steelers at No. 16.
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This sounds like it was written by a Steelers beat writer..
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Florio usually makes a ridiculous mock on purpose and he isnt a writer, just a lawyer that figured out copy and paste combined with an occasional one liner. ----------------------------------------------------------------- 2013 NFL Draft: Year-five option makes QBs more valuable? By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com 05:36 PM ET April 09, 2013 A quarterback class that doesn't feature an elite talent could still place “as many as four or five” quarterbacks in the first round based on a provision in the collective bargaining agreement. That clause, which allows first-rounders to be under team control for five years rather than four years for second-round picks, is a primary reason team sources gave as to why the top 32 picks on April 25 will feature several quarterbacks. The NFL instituted the rookie contract slotting system to curtail exorbitant contracts given to unproven rookies. The new CBA, ratified two years ago, stipulates that all first-year players will be given a four-year contract but allows for the team option of adding a fifth year for players drafted in the first round. Undrafted rookies sign three-year contracts. The ability to own the rights to a player for that fifth season could prove a critical factor for teams -- such as Jacksonville, Oakland, Arizona and Buffalo -- struggling with the decision to wait until the second or third round to draft a quarterback or to "reach" to take one in the first. More 2013 NFL Draft coverage 2013 NFL Draft Team spotlights Mock drafts Big Board Subscribe to newsletter Where a player is selected in the first round, however, is of critical importance when it comes to salary, which is why quarterbacks may slip but still wind up being selected in the first round. Per the CBA, the year-five option on these deals equals the average salary of the veterans at the same position. Put simply, any quarterback drafted in the top 10 this year would be looking at a salary north of $12 million in the fifth year of his deal. Keep in mind, the rookie deal for a No. 1-4 overall pick will be roughly four years, $23 million -- $5.75 million annually. That's a hefty raise and one likely to increase, as salaries are sure to jump over the next three, which is the deadline when clubs must decide whether or not to exercise the fifth year of the contract. The salary demands change signficantly for picks 11-32, however. At that point in the draft, the year-five club option is the average salary of the third-highest quarterback through the 25th player in that position. Therefore, any team looking to draft a quarterback -- or other "developmental positions" -- may view picks 11-32 in the first round as more valuable than a selection in the top 10. As the most valued commodities in the sport, quarterbacks are the most likely to come ahead due to this policy. A five-year deal is potentially just as valuable for prospects at other positions. However, some teams feel it is especially important for players likely to outplay their rookie deals. That would imply "developmental" positions like quarterback, offensive tackle, defensive tackle and defensive back are more valued than positions which often result in immediate success -- like pass-rushers or running backs. "There is a growing feeling that in this draft, specifically, if you have a guy you like, why not make sure you get him rather than try to get cute and wait," one high-level executive told me. The long-time talent evaluator requested anonymity because he works for a club expected to select a quarterback this year, perhaps as early as the first round. By adding veteran passers via trade and free agency, the Oakland Raiders, Philadelphia Eagles, Arizona Cardinals and Buffalo Bills have given themselves "wiggle room" but no one would be surprised if the clubs invested an early-round pick in a rookie. In terms of players, there may not be any bigger fans of the "new" CBA agreement than quarterbacks Geno Smith, Matt Barkley, Ryan Nassib, E.J. Manuel and Tyler Wilson, each of whom has admirers throughout the league. As for the teams in best position to take advantage of this year-five option, keep an eye on the Carolina Panthers (selecting No. 14 overall), New Orleans Saints (15), Chicago Bears (20), Indianapolis Colts (24) and New England Patriots (29) as clubs that may look to trade out. Each of these teams boasts a strong starting quarterback and could be looking to recoup picks, as they are missing at least two of their original selections from the 2013 draft. The Panthers and Bears no longer have their third- and seventh-round picks. The Saints lost their second- and seventh-round selections. The Colts already gave up their second- and fifth-round picks. The Patriots, seemingly always active on draft weekend, currently have zero picks between their third-round selection (No. 91 overall) and the seventh-round choice (226) they received from Tampa Bay as part of the Aqib Talib trade. web page
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Yes. His copy and pasting also made him rich. I wish I would have thought of his idea.
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Phil Savage says Browns may trade No. 6 pick
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Posted Apr 10, 2013 @ 10:36 AM
What’s up with the No. 6 overall pick Cleveland carries into the NFL draft on April 25?
Former Browns general manager Phil Savage is well suited to read the mind of current Browns GM Michael Lombardi.
Now the executive director of the Senior Bowl, Savage was a Browns coach and later a scout when Lombardi was Bill Belichick’s personnel chief in the 1990s.
Savage and Lombardi both appeared in the “Cleveland ‘95” documentary aired on NFL Network in recent months.
“Most of us on ‘Cleveland ‘95,’ ” Savage said, “have stayed connected through the years.”
Savage said so via his Twitter account linked to the Senior Bowl. The account has provided a running commentary on what the 2013 Browns might do with that sixth pick.
Savage, who conducted Browns drafts from 2005-08, sees a trade in the middle of Cleveland’s radar. He suggests the Browns are near the end of the line of players perceived as the first wave of talent.
Savage lists Texas A&M tackle Luke Joeckel, Central Michigan tackle Eric Fisher, Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd, Oregon outside linebacker Dion Jordan, West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith, Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner, Brigham Young defensive end Ziggy Ansah and Oklahoma offensive tackle Lane Johnson as the top cluster.
He supposes someone who really wants one of them but is positioned lower in Round 1 may try to move up.
“I say bidding starts around No. 6 and CLE,” he tweeted.
He gave an example of a trade partner: “To insure one of top three OT’s (Joeckel, Fisher, Johnson), Miami probably has to get ahead of Arizona at 7. That brings Cleveland into the picture.”
Savage suspects the Browns have targeted Milliner and Ansah and might pounce on either, if he is available. He also suspects both might be gone — he sees Ansah as a serious option at No. 2 for Jacksonville. What then?
Savage: “Moving far enough down for a second-round pick would put Cleveland in the 13-16 range and sweating it out for player they like at OLB.”
He sees No. 15, currently held by the Saints, as a “perfect price” for outside linebacker Barkevious Mingo of LSU.
He thinks Milliner is the man the Browns really think they can get. He said pairing Milliner with Joe Haden might do for the 2013 Browns what Hanford Dixon and Frank Minnifield did for the Browns of the 1980s.
“If Milliner is off the board,” Savage said, “they likely will try to move down.”
He sees Georgia’s Jarvis Jones as another outside linebacker who might fit into a Browns move: “It’s worth noting the Browns might trade down, with Jones on their radar.”
Savage used his Senior Bowl Twitter account to conduct a weekly question-answer session Monday night from Atlanta, where he was in town for the Louisville-Michigan basketball game.
On Monday, Savage said he has heard inside scuttlebutt about the Browns making a play for a quarterback, Smith, but isn’t sure if the team is really interested.
He did say: “If Cleveland selects Geno, Brandon Weeden would be moved over (draft) weekend. No way new regime creates that controversy for 2013 season.”
Savage guessed Weeden’s trade value would be a Round 5-7 pick.
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Savage: “Moving far enough down for a second-round pick would put Cleveland in the 13-16 range and sweating it out for player they like at OLB.”
He sees No. 15, currently held by the Saints, as a “perfect price” for outside linebacker Barkevious Mingo of LSU.
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The only example of moving back given by Savage. Where do the Dolphins pick??? Seems like the most likely move back situation.
Ok Ziggy there or Millner we might stay. Savage thinks Ziggy is going probably at #2. Hope he's wrong.
Oh n no way we move back without getting that 2nd rounder  and not that far...actually I hope Zona wants that LT bad enough If Millner n Ziggy are gone...both Fisher n Johnson might be available...drop back to Zona for a 3rd n 5th...then auction off the last LT from #7 starting bids 2nd round pick 
So we "settle" for Mingo or Rhodes/Trufant n get a 2nd, 3rd n 5th at the least.
JMHTrade back Scnearios...oh n Savage isn't talking about anything we haven't stated here...except that we like Ziggy as much as he states...I like that!
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To go along with the possibility of the Dolphins moving up, Jeff Ireland, Miami's GM, says that the Dolphins have the 'ammo to move up'.  Sounds like a good spot for the Browns to trade down to. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000...ion-to-trade-up
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I think the dolphins will move up, but I think the raiders would take any deal the browns would take. They need more picks more than anyone else, and they pick third.
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That's areal good article,thanks for posting.
I imagine it's a small factor,but still a factor in picking a QB in rd.1.
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If the Dolphins traded up with the Raiders it would likely mean they are trading up to get on of Joeckel or Fisher. There still might be a few teams willing to trade up and get Johnson if that was the case (Chargers?).
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I think the dolphins will move up, but I think the raiders would take any deal the browns would take. They need more picks more than anyone else, and they pick third.
I don't think that the Raiders will be trading out of the #3 spot unless they get more than what the Browns would get because there are top-notch LTs in the draft, some very good DL and pass rushers. Of course, there are some nice corners too. When you're selling 3 spots higher than the Browns, you're selling 3 upper-tier players more than the Browns are.
Unless the Raiders are idiots (and I think they're going to shy away from the Al Davis traditions) they're selling for more than the Browns due to their position.
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The Raiders are actually much more talent deprived than us and may be the worst team in the league. They've already said that they're taking their lumps this year to get out of cap jail and get rid of players that don't have a long term future with the new regime. So we've seen this before!  It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they move back and try to add more bodies with extra picks.
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I think the dolphins will move up, but I think the raiders would take any deal the browns would take. They need more picks more than anyone else, and they pick third.
I don't think that the Raiders will be trading out of the #3 spot unless they get more than what the Browns would get because there are top-notch LTs in the draft, some very good DL and pass rushers. Of course, there are some nice corners too. When you're selling 3 spots higher than the Browns, you're selling 3 upper-tier players more than the Browns are.
Unless the Raiders are idiots (and I think they're going to shy away from the Al Davis traditions) they're selling for more than the Browns due to their position.
My point was that if some team was looking to move up and offering something to us, I think the raiders would rather take that deal than not trade down.
If a tackle goes first and a team like the dolphins is willing to move up, all three could be gone by four.
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I'd been thinking about this and I was texting earlier tonight that I thought we should trade down to Miami at 12, take Warmack, giving TRich a guard that can move people out of the way.
Then get Miami's first of two 2nd round picks at 42 overall then pick up Desmond Trufant if he falls to the 42 pick.
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I'd been thinking about this and I was texting earlier tonight that I thought we should trade down to Miami at 12, take Warmack, giving TRich a guard that can move people out of the way.
Then get Miami's first of two 2nd round picks at 42 overall then pick up Desmond Trufant if he falls to the 42 pick.
That's another dream scenario. Warmack or Cooper. Both fit the bill.
We'd be far more likely to be looking at Banks for CB at 42 tho.
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Honey Badger tells NFL coaches he's failed more than 10 drug tests 
Yeah, but don't you know ......... as some have told me ..... "it's just pot" ...... and what college kid would be able to pass drug tests anyway ......? It's not like 3 failed tests in the NFL wouldn't see him suspended long term, right?
It really makes me wonder just how important football is to this kid.
I think that I would go back to my initial feeling about this kid, and I would touch him with anything above a 7th rounder.
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the question isn't if he had a problem. obviously he did. the question is if he is over his problem and if it's worth the gamble on him to prove it for our team.
you (and others) think no. i (and others) think yes.
I think he's going to be really, really good at FS for the a team.
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Nowhere near as good as Murdock or Faceman.
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My point was that so many people tried to say "Yeah, but it's just pot, and what college kid doesn't smoke pot?". Well .... a kid who loves football wouldn't go out and fail "at least" 10 drug tests, costing him his college football career, and jeopardizing any potential professional football career.
This kid has trouble written all over him, and I would stay away.
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I would steer clear as well, unless there are CLEAR signs that he has moved on.
10 test failures... that's a sign that he was taught that he could fail the tests and still play with no consequences for his actions. I don't know what you would look for since last season to convince you that he has left it in his past and has grown the heck up.
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They might but I wouldn't expect them to undersell to do it.
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I would steer clear as well, unless there are CLEAR signs that he has moved on.
10 test failures... that's a sign that he was taught that he could fail the tests and still play with no consequences for his actions. I don't know what you would look for since last season to convince you that he has left it in his past and has grown the heck up.
if his dad/agent had any sense, then they have been having him take drug tests since October (when he allegedly quit) with an independent testing facility. it's the only way to prove to NFL teams he's clean.
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I think the dolphins will move up, but I think the raiders would take any deal the browns would take. They need more picks more than anyone else, and they pick third.
I don't think that the Raiders will be trading out of the #3 spot unless they get more than what the Browns would get because there are top-notch LTs in the draft, some very good DL and pass rushers. Of course, there are some nice corners too. When you're selling 3 spots higher than the Browns, you're selling 3 upper-tier players more than the Browns are.
Unless the Raiders are idiots (and I think they're going to shy away from the Al Davis traditions) they're selling for more than the Browns due to their position.
My point was that if some team was looking to move up and offering something to us, I think the raiders would rather take that deal than not trade down.
If a tackle goes first and a team like the dolphins is willing to move up, all three could be gone by four.
No doubt that they would be willing to trade back, but they still would demand more than what the Browns could offer. If they took less, it would be because they're not falling back as far as who the Browns would be trading with to get the same returns. The Raiders might fall back to #7 to get what the Browns would get for falling back to 12 to 16.
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Drafttek thinks highly of this guy. Any thoughts?
FWIW, I think highly of this guy too (would LOVE him at 68, but I don't think he gets there), although I don't think all too highly of Drafttek 
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I heard Grossi on local sports talk radio yesterday, and Tony says that the days of the 5'8"-5'9" CB are over. With so many 6-3 WR that can fly (and jump), Grossi says they simply cannot cover, especially given the modern rules like the 5-yd chuck rule, etc. He thinks that unless the Browns can get a CB over 6', preferably 6'2", they should move towards improving the pass rush. If you're talking 6' or over, the field narrows quite a bit for CB's - Milliner, Rhodes, Banks, Amerson, and maybe a couple others. I'm not sure what to think about that ... what you guys think?
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I am a big fan of Amerson if we got a second round pick. Dont think he will last till the third.
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I heard Grossi on local sports talk radio yesterday, and Tony says that the days of the 5'8"-5'9" CB are over. With so many 6-3 WR that can fly (and jump), Grossi says they simply cannot cover, especially given the modern rules like the 5-yd chuck rule, etc. He thinks that unless the Browns can get a CB over 6', preferably 6'2", they should move towards improving the pass rush. If you're talking 6' or over, the field narrows quite a bit for CB's - Milliner, Rhodes, Banks, Amerson, and maybe a couple others. I'm not sure what to think about that ... what you guys think?
I think Sam Shields, Tim Jennings, Adam Jones, Kyle Arrington, Alterraun Verner, Chris Houston, Leon Hall, Vontae Davis, Tramon Williams, Asante Samuel, Janoris Jenkins, Brent Grimes, Cortland Finnegan, Ladarius Webb, Brandon Flowers, Johnathan Joseph, Joe Haden, and Darrelle Revis all disagree.
People claiming that short CBs can't play anymore in the NFL is akin to those that say that the game is moving on from pocket passers. There may be more tall CBs these days, but the shorter guys can still play on the outside and do well as long as they are physical or have some speed.
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The reason I had some question regarding Grossi's opinion was that it discounts the vertical leap some shorter guys have. Frank Minnifield had a vertical around 40" - he played a lot taller than 5-8. On the other hand, I saw a good CB, Joe Haden, get schooled by bigger receivers like AJ Green and Anquan Boldin. So while its not the be-all / end-all, I think height is a big plus. I wouldn't be too upset if we missed out on Milliner and were able to trade back to, say, 12, and get Rhodes (who is 6-2), along with a 2nd rd pick.
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The reason I had some question regarding Grossi's opinion was that it discounts the vertical leap some shorter guys have. Frank Minnifield had a vertical around 40" - he played a lot taller than 5-8. On the other hand, I saw a good CB, Joe Haden, get schooled by bigger receivers like AJ Green and Anquan Boldin. So while its not the be-all / end-all, I think height is a big plus. I wouldn't be too upset if we missed out on Milliner and were able to trade back to, say, 12, and get Rhodes (who is 6-2), along with a 2nd rd pick.
Height's definitely a plus, I just disagree with being reluctant to draft CBs under 6'0. As long the short guy has some attributes that make up for his height, I would have no problem drafting him if he was the best value at the position.
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I heard Grossi on local sports talk radio yesterday, and Tony says that the days of the 5'8"-5'9" CB are over. With so many 6-3 WR that can fly (and jump), Grossi says they simply cannot cover, especially given the modern rules like the 5-yd chuck rule, etc. He thinks that unless the Browns can get a CB over 6', preferably 6'2", they should move towards improving the pass rush. If you're talking 6' or over, the field narrows quite a bit for CB's - Milliner, Rhodes, Banks, Amerson, and maybe a couple others. I'm not sure what to think about that ... what you guys think?
I heard the interview, also and I think that he was inferring the value of taking smaller corners high, in the draft. Many other "experts", guys that have been in draft rooms, lean towards taking the pass rusher over the corner, as well.
They echo Grossi's point that no matter how good the corner, he can not cover these big receivers for every shot the QB takes, with that big WR.
So, it is more advantageous to have solid corners and a very good pass rush, as opposed to a solid pass rush and very good corners, IMO. Very good corners will be unsuccesful enough times, without much of a pass rush that an offense will score, frequently. Again, IMO.
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j/c From Peter King's Monday Morning Quarterback.... 6. Cleveland. Another team that wants to trade out badly. The Browns might figure they can trade down a few spots and still get Geno Smith if that's who they want; maybe one of the tackle-loving teams -- Buffalo, San Diego, Miami -- will figure if Joeckel and Fisher are gone here, the only way to get Lane Johnson is to move ahead of Arizona at seven. (That's what I certainly figure.) So the Browns could be in a good spot to pick up the second-rounder they lost last year when picking Josh Gordon in the Supplemental Draft. Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/new.../#ixzz2QXLU3etP
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Where's all this Gino talk coming from?
It's scaring me.
Why not, our GM is the guy that "loved" Blaine Gabbert, Pat White and Chade Henne....why not Geno too then? 
More importantly though: he hated the Weeden pick, who, as bad as he was, had a much better rookie season then the guys he loved
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"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
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My guess is that the desire to trade down is coming from sources, but the Geno Smith is speculation on his end. If we wanted Geno Smith, my guess is that we wouldn't try to trade down and hope we get him, we'd select him at 6 and go from there.
New regime with a question at QB makes most journalists speculate that a QB could be in our thoughts.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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