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Where's all this Gino talk coming from?
It's scaring me.
we don't have a definitive solution at QB, Geno is the top-rated QB, therefore we will get labelled with him at times (whether or not we are interested). same with JAX, Buffalo, etc.
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It's scaring me.
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I think Jacksonville and Oakland both trade back with three tackles going in the top 4.
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Where's all this Gino talk coming from?
It's scaring me.
we don't have a definitive solution at QB, Geno is the top-rated QB, therefore we will get labelled with him at times (whether or not we are interested). same with JAX, Buffalo, etc.
And if we took Gino, we still wouldn't be any better off.
As the top rated QB in the Draft, if he was worth taking with a Top 10 pick, he wouldn't be available at 6, much less later than that.
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Any draftniks say where they think Geno would have gone LAST YEAR yet...?
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My GUESS would be that if we want a 1st round Qb then we trade back and draft EJ Manuel. He just seems like a guy that Chud would prefer over Smith, Barkley and Nassib.
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It's scaring me.
I think it's just that these guys honestly have no idea where he's going to go.
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I don't want to draft Gino (only because we JUST used a 1st rounder on a QB), but if we get him.. I'm okay with it. Based on his college resume, he's more of a game changer than Weeden is. I'm still  for Milliner though..
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Any draftniks say where they think Geno would have gone LAST YEAR yet...?
I have no idea, but if he can't even be talked about as the first overall ahead of defensive players in his own Draft, my guess is that he'd be talked about as being behind a number of last year's QB's.... so, nobody is talking about it because they don't want to torpedo his stock, I'd guess.
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Looks like someone finally came to their senses at NFLDraftScout on Chad Bumphis. He was just bumped from rated >400 to 235, lol. Must have had a good pro day.  *Edit* Also, their most-recent rankings have Terrance Williams at 65(!). If by some stroke of luck he falls to our third, I'd want us to take him no questions asked. I can't imagine the roughshod demolition that opposing DBs would face with Gordon, Williams, and Little. Hoo, boy. I'm gettin' antsy thinking about it lol.
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I think it's just that these guys honestly have no idea where he's going to go.
I think Philly would take him to sit under Vick for a year..thats the spot I got him pegged for.
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More NFLDraftScout weirdness. Suddenly Armonty Bryant is listed as an OLB and not a DE. A 6'4", 263# LB. Hmm... He did look pretty good in LB positional drills at the combine.
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I think it's just that these guys honestly have no idea where he's going to go.
I think Philly would take him to sit under Vick for a year..thats the spot I got him pegged for.
That's the way i'm leaning too, but I wouldn't put money on it. Unless it was your money. 
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UHHHH no..but Philly or even Jacksonville would be a good spot.
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A month ago I was saying hey if our guys like Geno Smith I can see him being the pick at #6. Now a month more into this...I'm sorry, I would be SHOCKED  if he was taken at 6...NFL Network Mock...I think Mary Kay represented the Browns takes him there 
Why do the Bozo's talk about us taking him. Cause we seem to be the team "Give it to Mikey" so many terrible reach picks they give us each year.
Trade back looks good if things fall our way and a Left Tackle is there.
I'm sure we have to be targeting SOMEBODY at 6...if there, will we trade back? Possibly Millner or Ansah???
Picking up a 2nd rounder n not dropping back too far would be nice! Then pick Geno...only if we trade back several times n we are picking late first then a possible pick. Odd of that I don't think. He gets by Buffalo he might be there in the 2nd round?
I don't want Geno really...I would prefer he drops n therefore all the QBs drop leaving a more valuable pick in the 3rd round for a Prospect at QB. Not at overall #6.
The more sure I am of us not taking him...the more the Bozo's talk about us taking him...gosh I hope I'm not wrong
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I'm of the belief that we won't take Geno Smith or any QB in the first round. We'll take Milliner if he's there at 6 or try to trade down to get a Second rounder and go for another DB. I really believe that is what we are targeting.
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Not sure where to put this but there was a conversation in the past about the future of the scouting department. I saw this blurb and thought to pass it along... *The Browns’ new regime recently held draft meetings to go over prospects, but did it in an unusual manner—without the team’s scouts. The attendees were CEO Joe Banner, general manager Mike Lombardi and assistant general manager Ray Farmer. Some take this as a sign the Browns may be preparing to clean house in the front office after the draft. http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Friday-Buzz-Draft-talk-and-more.htmlYes, at this point it's speculation but I thought, as others did, they kept the scouting team because of the timing of the executive hires and the preparation already completed on prospects for the Browns. Perhaps a couple are kept (Spytek and Sandusky, maybe) but I would not be surprised if a new staff is organized after the draft is completed. People Banner, Lombardi, and Farmer knows better. We'll see.
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every new FO hires their own people and replacing some of the scouting department is obvious (and that happens in May).
2 things are peculiar about that snippet:
(1) I assume that all FO meet with just the head honchos about prospects as well some meetings with just the coaches and other meetings with just the scouts. They have to be meeting and reviewing constantly this time of year, right?
(2) How does something like this meeting get leaked in the first place?
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Who needs scouts who have followed those players for 2-3 years and talk about value all the time...screw them. The SR Bowl and Combine tape is enough...and some youtube clips will do for Banner  Shame on Haslam for letting this happen. It's incredibly unprofessional. If they think they don't need the scouts, why didn't they fire them along with Heckert? Ah, another smart PR move by Banner...consensus my  Why do the Browns always get run by egomaniacs? Mangini, Holmgren, now Banner. I'd trade the Browns next 3 1st rounders to get Ozzie in here, and I'm not kidding. I'm so fed up of reading news like this
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it's standard for scouts to get replaced in May because no team would hire them in the leadup to the draft (so they would be out of work). it's actually a professional courtesy.
it is also why a FO's first draft is often the hardest to do well in. they don't have their people who know their setup for grading, etc. and everything is more rushed. hopefully, we can avoid such pitfalls, but it is never likely.
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Leaked? Imagine you're Spytek and get pissed on by Banner in this manner..what would you do? Exactly...
It's not a leak when you obviously disrespect the guys that DO the actual work. Remember when Savage took his scouts to dinner? Spytek or some rightfully angry scout probably leaked it...and so would I. The Stooges are already power trippin...
Probably some scouting report didn't mesh with what Lombardi was told by clueless weather vane Mayock or what Banner saw on youtube.
It's not really surprising to me, as I've sensed that little man complex from thousands of miles away....I'm looking Haslam's way...wtf is he thinking? Is he completely clueless? Does he run his company that way? Does he close the door on his advisors when a strategically important decision has to be made? Why the hell is he letting this happen?
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every new FO hires their own people and replacing some of the scouting department is obvious (and that happens in May).
2 things are peculiar about that snippet:
(1) I assume that all FO meet with just the head honchos about prospects as well some meetings with just the coaches and other meetings with just the scouts. They have to be meeting and reviewing constantly this time of year, right?
(2) How does something like this meeting get leaked in the first place?
I think the second point MAY add color to your first. First, stuff like this gets leaked ALL THE TIME. The degree of magnitude varies but journalists do have people inside the organization that provides information constantly- I'm sure you know this. For example, things were leaked last year that the Rams wanted to trade their #1 pick due to the RG3 spree before the draft, but no one believed the writer.....guess what happened? Are they right 100% of the time?...No. But they do get legit info. Maybe this particular draft meeting made the writer speculate the way he/she did..as to the importance of such a meeting. I don't know. But IMO, I think most "draft meetings" have the entire team involved. Maybe not?
Either way, I think this scouting department will be gone....and honestly, they probably should go. Just like coaches generally bring in their own guys, the scouting staff should be brought in by people Lombardi may be more comfortable with, As much as I do not like Lombardi, I think he should be afforded the right to be happy with who he has working for him. And if it's not with the people already here, well sorry for them.
I just remember people saying that the "consolation prize" was keeping the scouting staff. But I personally thought it was just temporary as these guys have been preparing for the draft since Fall 2012, if not before. Maybe a couple may be kept, some did come from Philly.
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Nobody's been fired yet, Django.
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One or more of the scouts.
Probably a good reason to exclude them. They may have some they want to keep and some they don't, so rather than tip your hand and include some and exclude others, just keep all of them out at this point.
I agree, it's unusual, but I don't see a real big deal. They have the scouts reports and grades.
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Pretty sure Spytek and Co. are expecting to get watches May 1st.
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To the best of my knowledge, we have always dumped most of the scouting staff after we changed GMs. Usually it happens after the draft, because no one can get out of their contracts with other teams leading up to the draft. There are few quality "free agent" scouts prior to the draft.
Frankly I don't see why this is such a huge deal.
Further, we are now a 3-4 based multi front defensive scheme ..... (or 3-4 for short) and we need players to fill roles on that defense. The scouts we had were solid at finding players for the DL in a 4-3 defense, but how well do they do when looking for LB or DE in a 3-4 defense? The scouts we had were versed in finding players for the WCO ...... but how do they do when evaluating players for the vertical offense Chud runs?
I am willing to give this new front office at least the first draft before I call for them to be pilloried in the center of downtown Cleveland. Who knows? Maybe they'll surprise us?
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Pretty sure Spytek and Co. are expecting to get watches May 1st.
Probably, so there shouldn't be a lot of shock by this move to exclude them this close to the draft. At this point the board is pretty much set...and we just had an article yesterday about sources saying who are top two targets are....I would venture to say that info came from someone in the scouting dept.
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Pretty sure Spytek and Co. are expecting to get watches May 1st.
Probably, so there shouldn't be a lot of shock by this move to exclude them this close to the draft. At this point the board is pretty much set...and we just had an article yesterday about sources saying who are top two targets are....I would venture to say that info came from someone in the scouting dept.
I'd agree that the draft board is pretty much set at this point. And probably the last few "house-cleaning" items would be determining, if they want to trade down, what is the preferred package and strategies to optimize best value for the #6 pick or any pick for that matter.
Who knows maybe they're trying to gauge the draft value of players on THIS team as well.
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If they think they don't need the scouts, why didn't they fire them along with Heckert?
This has been coming for awhile and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, least of all the outgoing scouts. It was mentioned when Heckert was released, along with the fact that it wouldn't happen until after the draft. I'm sure they'll hire more scouts, guys they're familiar with.
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To the best of my knowledge, we have always dumped most of the scouting staff after we changed GMs. Usually it happens after the draft, because no one can get out of their contracts with other teams leading up to the draft. There are few quality "free agent" scouts prior to the draft.
Sure, but have you ever read a report like that? Probably not, you know why? Because no new FO would be so stupid to shut out the scouts and their opinions, even if they aren't your "friends". It's incredibly childish and unprofessional.
Probably the two smarties are already in outsmarting mode thinking the scouts would relay information to other FOs....that's what happens when you have wanna be GMs making the calls
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This has been coming for awhile and shouldn't be a surprise to anyone, least of all the outgoing scouts. It was mentioned when Heckert was released, along with the fact that it wouldn't happen until after the draft. I'm sure they'll hire more scouts, guys they're familiar with.
I agree Cal. Django gets a little carried away. We used the scouts until we didn't need them anymore. Now they aren't needed in the meetings, so they aren't invited.
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It's not like 30% is all that high I think you all are drinking the cool aid here, this is as unprofessional as it gets and is telling a lot on how bloated theses guy's egos are...pretty much as classless as bringing in your backup RB for a kneel down snap while giving your no3 RB all backup carries in the game....anyone remember that Mangini classic? a couple of days later we traded Harrison to the Eagles
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there's no kool-aid drinking going on here IMO. i'm skeptical of the Lombardi hire myself and am skeptical of the upcoming draft.
however, hiring new scouts was already expected and that happens in May for all teams. so, this is just non-news as it's already been accepted by most of us. They have been meeting for months, even if they don't say another word to them (I doubt that too), they already have their opinions on the prospects.
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Probably 22nd... 
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there's no kool-aid drinking going on here IMO. i'm skeptical of the Lombardi hire myself and am skeptical of the upcoming draft.
however, hiring new scouts was already expected and that happens in May for all teams. so, this is just non-news as it's already been accepted by most of us. They have been meeting for months, even if they don't say another word to them (I doubt that too), they already have their opinions on the prospects.
^^This. We knew this was coming, no surprise here. I hated the Lombardi hire. So far he and Banner haven't done anything to warrant my undying love, but the off-season moves so far have been solid. I'll wait until after the draft to start calling them all idiots. 
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We should trade for their 2015 first round pick and then draft a 30 year old QB.
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Nevermind, no team would ever be that dumb.
I say that anytime you can get a future first, you have to strongly consider it. For one, future picks are always discounted (and you're only waiting 1 year, sometimes 2), and otherwise good teams do occasionally implode. I'm thinking Colts, Saints, and Eagles just in the recent past, and all for different reasons.
If they offered the same package that they did a couple years ago I would take it, barring a better offer.
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