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http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=1283916&nid=6912026&fhn=1Browns sign K Shayne Graham by Don Delco of theOBR.com, April 15, 2013 at 8:38 pm ET The Cleveland Browns announced April 15 the signing of free agent kicker Shayne Graham. Last season, Graham appeared in all 16 games for the Houston Texans and set a franchise record with a career-high 138 points. He connected on 31 of 38 (81.5 percent) field goal attempts. Graham has been in the NFL for 12 seasons and was selected to the Pro Bowl following the 2005 season with the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Browns sign K Shayne Graham
by Don Delco of theOBR.com, April 15, 2013 at 8:38 pm ET
The Cleveland Browns announced April 15 the signing of free agent kicker Shayne Graham. Last season, Graham appeared in all 16 games for the Houston Texans and set a franchise record with a career-high 138 points. He connected on 31 of 38 (81.5 percent) field goal attempts. Graham has been in the NFL for 12 seasons and was selected to the Pro Bowl following the 2005 season with the Cincinnati Bengals.
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Same feeling. The only thing that could replace Phil, is Phil himself. But he's okay kicker. As noted had a pro bowl season.
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He did a more than fine job while in Cincinnati IMO. Kicked in many AFC North games. I thought he did ok in Houston as well.
But he is 35. My guess he is either the one year stop gap if the team isn't able to draft the kicker they like or he's has a leg up (no pun intended) on the competition if we bring someone in late in the draft or UDFA.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
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We'll either draft a kicker or try to pick up a very good UDFA kicker and let them compete with Graham.
I also think we'll draft a punter
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j/c He went to the same amount of Pro Bowls as Phil Dawson. Just saying...  (not to start an argument or anything)
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He went to the same amount of Pro Bowls as Phil Dawson.
Just saying... (not to start an argument or anything)
Your right Memphis, we are all PD lovers, it would be hard for anyone to replace him ... 
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Hey I loved Phil too and he was a great kicker, but my goodness is says a lot about the state of Browns football when we can't get over a KICKER. But hey with Romeo and Pat, Phil was the only way we were scoring at all.
Please God, give us an MVP that isn't a kicker!!
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81.5 % is pretty good, unless you're following Phil. Ugh, No phil, uggh.
This guy will start. And the Browns did not use a draft pick on him, they signed him today. Never is a long time, but as long as the draft is 7 rounds plus 32 compensatories, and as long as he's not a team captian for Ohio State, Never draft a kicker.
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There's a reason that he's been on 8 different teams between leaving Cincinnati after the 2009 season and signing with us today.
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He's a kicker, and we need one for practices in minicamps.
He may, or may not, be the final answer.
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J/c
He had awesome year last year and most importantly he knows the AFC North.
Nuff said....he will be our kicker next year anyway! JMO
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j/c I know stats don't tell much (i.e played for different teams, weather conditions, learning his craft over time, etc), but just went through his career to see how he did at Cleveland or FirstEnergy...whatever u want to call our stadium. 2002 - Made 43, 44 yds Missed 32, 22 (blocked) 2003 - 0 fg's attempted 2004 - Made 32 yds Missed 44 2005 - Made 23, 32 yds 2006 - Made 24 yds 2007 - Made 20 yds 2008 - Missed 48 2009 - Made 31(overtime) Missed 23 (blocked) So I have him at 8 for 13 at our stadium. One game winner, and two blocked field goals. What's this all mean? Ah nothing really....just wanted to contribute something, lol. 
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Shayne Graham is a decent kicker, but I have some criticism to make about this signing:
1. If we moved on from Phil because he was too old, why do we sign a 35yo to replace him?
2. Graham has a very good career 85% FG% (Dawson's at 84%), but he's only 8 from 13 (61.5%) kicking in Cleveland. He also is only 48% in his career from 50+yds out and 4 of 9 last season. Dawson was 7 of 7 and 71% career
3. S.Hauschka is 27yo and still a FA, he hit 55 of his 64 FGs (86%) the past 3 seasons. If we wanted to get younger, he would have made more sense, but letting a clutch cold weather kicker go, just to sign "a guy", who's also old and not so clutch in cold weather seems like a bad plan
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You are assuming Phil wanted to sign here. I don't think he did.
I don't think the plan was to bring in Graham. He just happened to be there. If the move away from Dawson was a reason of ours, then it would be money, not so much age. We had to franchise him the last two years. I can't remember what he was paid, but I am sure he wouldn't take less than that to stay here. It was a three headed monster that lead to Dawson leaving. His desire to play for a winner, what he made and the fact he doesn't have that many more years left.
As for the plan, who knows what is still in the plans. Maybe we draft a kicker and maybe we want a vet like Graham around. Maybe we carry two kickers for the season. It's been done before as a team transitions from one guy to the next.
Maybe we planned on drafting a kicker this year but as we keep adjusting the draft board we keep seeing players we would like and decided we didn't want to spend a 4th, 5th, or 6th round pick on a kicker. The days of getting good kickers in round 7 are pretty much over. You routinely see the good ones start leaving the board in rounds 4 -5....6 for sure.
As for the percentages of kicking in Cleveland, I wouldn't worry much about that. It is such a small sample that 2-3 kicks would alter the percentages a great deal.
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Everyone knows we cut Phil because he is over 30.
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You are assuming Phil wanted to sign here. I don't think he did.
Everyone knows we cut Phil because he is over 30.
And he was popular. Banner doesn't keep players who are fan favorites.
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You are assuming Phil wanted to sign here. I don't think he did.
Everyone knows we cut Phil because he is over 30.
And he was popular. Banner doesn't keep players who are fan favorites.
Has Banner had his presser with Graham yet?
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Do kickers get pressers? Might get mentioned. Welcome aboard if you are staying, Shayne. I think we will be shopping for his competition soon. Phil, I miss you a bunch. 
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Draft a kicker...What the heck....We need to save these picks for more & more & more quarterbacks....we need more..... 
I hope we do draft a kicker in the 4th or 5th round, the guy from Flordia St. is pretty good theres a couple others that should get drafted
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Draft a kicker...What the heck....We need to save these picks for more & more & more quarterbacks....we need more.....
I hope we do draft a kicker in the 4th or 5th round, the guy from Flordia St. is pretty good theres a couple others that should get drafted
If we draft every QB... One of them should be good ...right?
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Shayne Graham is a decent kicker, but I have some criticism to make about this signing:
1. If we moved on from Phil because he was too old, why do we sign a 35yo to replace him?
2. Graham has a very good career 85% FG% (Dawson's at 84%), but he's only 8 from 13 (61.5%) kicking in Cleveland. He also is only 48% in his career from 50+yds out and 4 of 9 last season. Dawson was 7 of 7 and 71% career
3. S.Hauschka is 27yo and still a FA, he hit 55 of his 64 FGs (86%) the past 3 seasons. If we wanted to get younger, he would have made more sense, but letting a clutch cold weather kicker go, just to sign "a guy", who's also old and not so clutch in cold weather seems like a bad plan
You don't impress me as somebody who needs validation but on this isolated criticism of the kicker acquisition your reasoning appears sound to me. Although I am on the fence about the new regime in general,in this case, you present a solid argument. Just say'n.....
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Has Banner had his presser with Graham yet?
Maybe this is a good spot for Lombardi to make an appearance. After all, it is "low level"...
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Dawson wants to end career with Browns
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BEREA, Ohio -- Phil Dawson spent his entire offseason away from the Cleveland Browns after being given the franchise tag for a second straight year.
So, it came as a surprise when the kicker said he wants to end his career with the Browns.
"You know what, I’d like to. I really would," Dawson said after the first day of mandatory minicamp. "I’m not thinking about my career being over at this point, but it just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to go play somewhere else. So, we’ll see what happens. I’ve told you guys before I’m not very good at predicting the future, but I’m just going to go to work like I always do and hope that things get worked out.”
Dawson, 37, had previously expressed a desire to play closer to his family in Texas. But he seems committed to finishing up with the Browns.
When asked about if he thought about Lou Groza's all-time franchise points record, Dawson blurted out it would take two and a half years before the reporter was done asking the question. Dawson is 194 points behind Groza.
“That was a goal I set in 1999 when Danny Kight and Chris Boniol were out here competing against me in training camp," Dawson said. "If I would had admitted back then that, that was one of my goals you guys would have laughed me out of town and I wouldn’t have blamed you. So a lot of work, a lot of years and a lot of effort has taken place since then. To even be remotely on the horizon close to that is a pretty neat thing.”
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You are assuming Phil wanted to sign here. I don't think he did.
Everyone knows we cut Phil because he is over 30.
Obviously, Banner is attempting to show "he's trying to change", signing a Graham who is 35 yrs old...not 38, like Dawson...right?
How Banner handled the entire kicker situation makes perfect sense now, right?
Banner kicks our '30 something' Dawson out the door and signs the '30 something' Graham. The Browns are now the 15th team to sign the well traveled Graham.
The only way this makes any sense is if the Browns draft a kicker, meaning Graham will be kept on until the Browns are sure the kicker they draft can handle the job.
If the Browns do not draft a kicker and Graham is our kicker on opening day it will just show how bizarre Banner's logic is.
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What would you expect him to say at the beginning of mini camp?
This is exactly what 99% of players say whenever they are asked a question like that.
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Shayne Graham is a decent kicker, but I have some criticism to make about this signing:
1. If we moved on from Phil because he was too old, why do we sign a 35yo to replace him?
2. Graham has a very good career 85% FG% (Dawson's at 84%), but he's only 8 from 13 (61.5%) kicking in Cleveland. He also is only 48% in his career from 50+yds out and 4 of 9 last season. Dawson was 7 of 7 and 71% career
3. S.Hauschka is 27yo and still a FA, he hit 55 of his 64 FGs (86%) the past 3 seasons. If we wanted to get younger, he would have made more sense, but letting a clutch cold weather kicker go, just to sign "a guy", who's also old and not so clutch in cold weather seems like a bad plan
Very solid post. This should lay to rest that Banner didn't want Phil b/c of his age. His long range isn't as good as Dawson which sucks if the offense is going to operate like Shurmur's did. The motto of "let's pass the ball until we get Phil in a 60-65 yarder FG range" isn't going to likely work and have as much faith as it did when Phil was kicking.
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LIKE the pickup, he has experience in our stadium and division, he has a good/decent record and he makes chipshots.....agree with thoughts, we won't use him or any other kicker as MAIN offense....Chud and Norm must help us score more TDs......GO Browns!!!!!
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Shayne Graham is a decent kicker, but I have some criticism to make about this signing:
1. If we moved on from Phil because he was too old, why do we sign a 35yo to replace him?
2. Graham has a very good career 85% FG% (Dawson's at 84%), but he's only 8 from 13 (61.5%) kicking in Cleveland. He also is only 48% in his career from 50+yds out and 4 of 9 last season. Dawson was 7 of 7 and 71% career
3. S.Hauschka is 27yo and still a FA, he hit 55 of his 64 FGs (86%) the past 3 seasons. If we wanted to get younger, he would have made more sense, but letting a clutch cold weather kicker go, just to sign "a guy", who's also old and not so clutch in cold weather seems like a bad plan
In addition, I always remembered Shayne to be the kicker who could hit a 60+ yard field goal when he didn't need to hit it, but miss a 20 yard field goal when he did need to hit it.
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Meh.
Have fun when you miss your first one in Cleveland, Shayne.
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Have fun when you miss your first one in Cleveland, Shayne.
Like the Eric Wright situation, the death threats will be in heavy amounts when that day comes he shanks it...
Shayne, the gallows are waiting for you brother...
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Graham is an insurance signing - I can assume its for one year n a league minimum thing which isn't that bad for his years put in. But he is experienced and a known commodity. We will be working out a lot of kickers - media known like Kickalicious or Not known like a Nikodemus Rechul. Possibly a late round pick?
But its good to have a veteran as a just in case kicker.
Texans pct. - remember he played in the dome. Also his division is not a bad weather division.
Is his contract guaranteed - we will tryout kickers up our Kazoo if none can wow us - Graham is the Band-Aid we will put on the Boo Boo n move on. At least when it comes to a last minute FG needed we know he has the experience n faced the pressure before. Not an answer.
Mac...thank you for finding that article about Dawson wanting to finish his career here. as we are told over n over again how he did not want to kick for the Browns. Which is not the case. He wanted to finish his career here. He had a RETIREMENT Goal of 2015 to be his last Season. That was all he was asking in 2011, 2012 n 2013...was a long term contract ending after the 2015 season. Dawson didn't abandon us...our FO did - I blame Heckert as much as Banner for not signing Dawson.
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I think Peen may be right, maybe Phil didn't want to come back..
I think more than anything, this new organization wants to become a cap friendly type team, so that maybe down the line, we don't have to make the decisions that Baltimore had to.
Sure, we could have kept Phil on this year and been OK with our number, but I think it's more about big picture, and sending a message.
I'm upset he's gone, but I understand it. I'm not going to storm Berea with fire and pitchforks when whoever misses their first field goal.
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I don't care what he said in some interview back in June. He didn't want to sign a contract under the old regime and forced us to franchise him twice.
The new guys didn't have the option of tagging him and knew they couldn't offer him less that what he made the last 2 years without it being a slap in the face or forcing a long time Brown to turn us down, so it was simply time to move on.
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I can only come up with 1.6 million reasons.
And if those 1.6 million reasons aren't the reason, then I have no clue how to explain it. None whatsoever.
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I can only come up with 1.6 million reasons.
And if those 1.6 million reasons aren't the reason, then I have no clue how to explain it. None whatsoever.
1.6 is what phill wanted? should have just given it to him.....
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Thought he did a fine job here in houston - he's not Phil but I feel fine if he ends up being our kicker this year
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Yup. 'Tis true, that. (...and- I LOVE a good pun, son...  )
But then... you could say that exact same thing about the other 30 kickers in the league.
That said, we could do worse than Shayne Graham. Much worse.
One who would intrigue me down the road, if Graham is a temp placement:
Shaun Suisham, Pittsburgh Steelers. He played at my alma mater, BGSU, and spent his collegiate years kicking in weather conditions similar to those he'd find in Cleveland. He set records at BG for points scored and touchbacks kicked. He's used to playing outdoors, in inclement weather. Punched more than a few clutch kicks through the uprights, too. Call him a "poor man's Phil Dawson."
There will only ever be one Phil... but if this kid ever came up on the market, I'd give him a look-see, for sure.
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