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That would do it.

I'd then take Damontre Moore, Tyler Eifert or the best available CB and smile all the way to the bank!

That's where I keep my first round safety deposit box.

Yeah, I was actually coming back into this thread to soften my comments. It's an opinion thread and there was no reason for me to get that negative. Sorry, I had a bad day at work and haven't been sleeping much recently.

Here's who I would target in your scenario...

11: OLB Jarvis Jones or OLB Damontre Moore
30: CB David Amerson
45: QB Tyler Bray (or TE Travis Kelce if taken)
68: FS Phillip Thomas or FS DJ Swearinger
75: DE Montori Hughes
104: RB Andre Ellington or RB Kenjon Barner
139: OLB Brandon Sharpe
164: TE Jake Stoneburner (or QB Colby Cameron)
175: OG Lamar Mady
227: ILB Taylor Reed

The Cleveland Browns have traded down with the Miami Dolphins for their first and second round picks.

1. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama
2. Josh Gordon, WR, Baylor (pick used in 2012 supplemental draft)
2. Johnathan Cyprien, FS, Florida Intl.
3. Darius Slay, CB, Miss. St.
4. Travis Kelce, TE, Cincy/Dion Sims, TE, Mich. St.
5, 5, 6, 7. WR, CB, S, LB- try and get lucky.

More and more I want the Browns to draft to strength with their first rounders instead of trying to cover weaknesses. Warmack, more than any other player in this draft, can give us a unit that can dominate games.

OK, I will play

at 6, if Millner or Jordan is there, you take them.

otherwise, trade back and try to pick up another second or third rounder depending on value. There are lots of possibilities, and the price will go up if Johnson is on the board, that is a fact.

The needs as I see it are CB, FS, TE, and OLB in that order. A trade back will still net a decent safety, and waiting until the third has an element of risk.

My dream scenario is somehow getting Arizona to give us their 2nd to move up one spot so they can get a LT. Though I doubt that this will happen, it could.

With that in mind:

1) Dee Miliner CB Bama

I have to situations that diverge from the 2nd pick that I'd be happy to see either way.

2) Eric Reid FS Florida

Fills up an absolute need as a coverage safety.


3) Jordan Reed TE Florida or Nick Kasa TE Colorado or Vance McDonald TE Rice

He's not as fast or strong as Hernazdez the kid can ball just like him.

Nick Kasa is a TE who built his stock on his natural abilities and potential rather than his game. I'd have liked to see him be a better receiver in college to have him rated higher than Reed, but he does have a special combination of size and speed.

Vance is pretty great. He's got around the size of Kaska (6'4 260ish) with the tape of Reed. He's faster than both, and is a lot stronger than either of them. He's my favorite TE in the third round. I'd be happy with either of them.

4) David Quessenberry G San Jose State or Alvin Bailey G Arkansas

Both fill the same need. Alvin has been tested by the SEC competition and held his own for the past 3 years against some of the best interior defensive linemen in the league while David has a lot more potential, but hasn't been tested as nearly as much.

5A) AJ Klein ILB Iowa State or Kevin Reddick ILB NC

Klein is a solid ILB who can play coverage and run very well.

Reddick is a blitzing ILB who never got it together at North Carolina (Like every other player) after Zach Brown, Bruce Carter, and Quan Sturdivant all left the LB corps (He led the team in tackles the year they were all there). Either would be a solid pick.

5B) Brandon Jenkins OLB FSU or Chase Thomas OLB Stanford

Brandon Jenkins would have been a 1st round pick had he not been injured (Broken foot), but he was, and he's here now. He's a lot better than Werner, and him drawing double teams helped Werner get into a good position during the 2011 season.

Chase Thomas is around the QB every time he blitzes. While he doesn't get as many sacks as other big name players, he's applying the same amount of pressure as them. Both would be a very solid fit into our OLB corp.

6) Zach Rogers WR Tennessee or Dernard Robinson Josh Cribbs/Percy Harvin Michigan

Zach Rogers got shadowed his entire career by Da'rick Rodgers (He's on Ten. State after being kicked off and he's the best prospect in the class imo), Justin Hunter and Cordarrelle Patterson. While he doesn't have the physical tools those three have (Seriously, they're all physical freaks. All around 6'2, strong, and run low 4.4's), he has shined just as brightly as them in some games. He'd be a great addition to our WR corps. Dernard's just got so many offensive capabilities, that it'd be silly to dismiss him. Though he won't be nearly as productive as a WR as Zach, he could still be valuable as a jack of all trades master of none.

7) Caleb Sturgis K Florida or Dustin Hopkins K FSU

They both have leg.
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Other path

2) Kevin Minter LB LSU

Great ILB. Personally, I think he was the best player on LSU's team last year. He can step in and give our LB corps a much needed boost and could propel us into having the best one in the AFC North.

3) Baccari Rambo FS Georgia

Ballhawk with off the field issues. He's also extremely physical with WR's. Him and Ward would make a dynamic backfield which WR's would fear for yearrs to come.

4) David Quessenberry G San Jose State or Alvin Bailey G Arkansas

Same reasons apply as above.

5A) Kenny Stills WR Oklahoma or Brandon McGee CB The U

This would make our WR corps a group of mercenaries. While he's never been amazing at Oklahoma, he's always been good and solid. He's got the speed to get pass defenders, with the more size than Benji. He'd be a threat.

Brandon is decent. He'd be a solid nickle back.

5B) Brandon Jenkins OLB FSU or Chase Thomas OLB Stanford

Same reasons apply.

6) Omar Hunter DE Floria

He's solid for depth.

7) Caleb Sturgis K Florida or Dustin Hopkins K FSU

They both have leg.


Though I think we'll trade with the Chargers, we'd just swap Dee for Xavier, but both drafts could come out relatively the same.

Hoping Dee Milliner falls to us for our next Dixon and Minnifield combo. If not, hope to trade down a few, take Xavier Rhodes, and get Justin Hunter in the 2nd, maybe Patton if he falls into the 2nd.

Personally , I really would like us to stay at 6 and take the best player available.

Do You Want To Pick at 6 Or Trade Down ? single choice
	Pick
	Trade Down
Votes accepted starting: 04/20/13 05:36 AM You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.

I say we charge Arizona whatever it costs to let them move up one spot (I'd settle for a 3rd) and THEN trade down again (Maybe with ATL or SF) and get another haul like we did for Julio..

A little bit beside myself. It's less than 6 days before the draft, and nobody, Nobody x 10, has even considered the possibility, or discussed it, that the Browns should go after a #1 wide receiver with the first round #6 overall pick.

Cordarelle Patterson, or someone else.
And when they weren't able to get AJ Green, and really haven't had a #1 wr since Braylon. There are only so many opportunities to get game changers.

Gordon is our #1 and is better than any receiver in this draft.

Gordon's not better than Robert Woods, and he's probably about even with Terrance Williams and Deandre Hopkins.

that being said, i wouldnt be upset if we draft no wideout. i'd be upset if we took one in top 15.

Woods is also the cleanest route runner in the draft IMO. I'm surprised how many people who want to dismiss Barkley's production as a product of the talent around him discount Woods' talents.

I don't doubt that Gordon is more physically gifted, but woods is just such a polished and skilled receiver. I think he understands how to play the game better than Gordon did his rookie year.

I'd say Da'Rick Rogers is the top WR imo. He would have been the best on the Tennessee team had he not got kicked off. Though now he's around a 4th round pick, but still the best, again imo, in the draft. He'll be a steal for whoever gets him.

Oh I agree with that ... but the thing is that Gordon can learn to run better routes and become more polished as a receiver. What cannot be taught is 6'3" 220#, 4.5 speed, with huge hands that engulf the ball as naturally as you or I might catch a softball lobbed to us. He is a physical receiver, who can impose his will physically on most DBs. He also has excellent leaping ability.

These things cannot be taught, and they are all areas in which Gordon is superior to Woods. (and again, I like Woods a lot) I think that Woods will be a solid #2 in the future ..... but Gordon can be a #1 if he continues to develop.

Ok, we were speaking two different languages then. You were saying Gordon is a better WR prospect than any of the guys in this year's draft and I was saying Woods is a better receiver, right?

....Nice !....87% currently say Trade Down....I guess I'm in the minority , but I still think we should use the pick....I just think the value of a Top 6 pick is worth taking the BPA ....I would hate to see us miss out on an Impact Player....Of course we only currently have 12 total votes , Smh.

The real value of this draft is between pick 10 and the 3rd round. I think this is the perfect year for multiple trade downs to acquire more picks in the value area. On offense the Browns would like to take an OG and a TE somewhere in the draft. On Defense I feel the FO thinks the DLine is set. At linebacker another pass rusher is needed. Sheard and Kruger is nice but teams that attack need to have a rotation of pass rushers to keep the pass rush fresh. The secondary also needs work. The top of the draft will be used to solidify CB, FS, OLB.

My prediction is to trade down muliple times and still target CB in the first and acquire a few more 2nd and 3rd round picks.

#6 trade down to Miami for #12, 2nd round #54, and 5th round #146
#12 trade down with Atlanta for #30, 2nd round #60, and 2014 1st round pick.
#30 Desmond Trufant CB Washington - To be CB opposite Joe Haden
#54 Jonathon Banks CB Miss State - Move him to free safety to be the ball hawk playing next to TJ Ward. I heard on NFL radio that a scout said Banks could transition to FS fairly easily. With the NFL being pass happy he could be used in some one on one scenerios that will allow the front 7 to attack.
#60Damontre Mooer OLB Texas A&M He will be the extra pass rusher to be used in rotation with Sheard and Kruger.
#68 Mike Glennon QB NC State - A QB to groom for the future.
#104 Barrett Jones G/C/T - Versatile OLineman that brings expierence and depth to a strong OLine.
#139 Kevin Riddick ILB - Depth behind the lawfirm of Jackson and Johnson.
#146 Nick Kasa TE Colorado - A TE for Chud to groom for the future
#164 Nico Johnson ILB Alabama - With the 3-4 the defense needs linbackers
#175 Robert Lester S Alabama - Depth with plenty of expirence
#227 Brad Wing Punter LSU - Big leg. Is considered the top punter in the draft but will fall due to on and off field issues in the last couple of years.

Curious, what do you envision Miami's and Atlanta's motivation to trade up? Who would they be targeting?

Miami... Lane Johnson.

Atlanta... not really sure, could be Milliner, but that is an expensive move for a player, with others that may fit in.

If we are to trade down from the spot...and say pick up a 2nd and 4th and give them a late pick next year...I would love..

1. Vacarro FS Texas- real nice size very good speed...the ideal perfect center fielder

2. Banks CB Miss- great size and length...runs slow but appears quick on tape

3. Long LG Oregon- with run on tackles he may be gone and picked as a LT...insert best guard here...Alvin Bailey may be deemed more realistic here

4. Stills WR Oklahoma- this year's Chris Givens..scrappy with speed...Gordon Little Stills Nelson Norwood and Benjamin look good

4. Buchanon LB Illinois- perfect spot for this boom or bust player

5 .Levilo (sp?) TE Stanford- will be Chuds project

6. Wagner T Wisc- need a backup tackle...a beast in the run game...Joe Thomas will love this pick..

6. Tommy Bohanon FB Wake- versatile kid whom can catch like a wideout good blocker as well

j/c

I don't get it? Why are dawgs talking about MIAMI, MIAMI, MIAMI in a hopeful trade down situation when it has been reported that they HAVE A DEAL in place with KC for Trev Albert. I think they are working on a long term contract then the deal will be Done??? Did I miss something n the Deal fell through?

Predator...sadly Long will be long gone by the 3rd round one of my favorite choices of a 3rd round LG for months. Apparently several teams see him as a future LT w/possibly 3 LTs gone by #6 I know some Analyst in their Mocks have him going in the late first. Possibly not but surely he'll go top 50. ??? Who knows for sure.

Many possible scenarios...hope we can drop back n get our targeted player. Now I'm thrown for a loop with Mayock who I really don't bow to him like many analyst like to - he knows DBs has Hayden as the #1 CB not Millner??? Of course on this board we don't even talk about him as a 1st rounder??? Is this going to change things up???

No QB or WR worthy of a top 10 pick opens a lot of possibilities.

Remember the top RARE Positions in the NFL.
1. QB...none maybe worthy of a 1st round pick?
2. Left Tackle...3 might go by Top 6 (if we trade down )
3. Edge Pass Rusher...3 might go in the TOP 10.
4. Cover Corner...4 might go by top 16...
5th for 3-4 teams...Nose Tackle 2-3 in the top 20???

Success of JJ Watt...might open up a new trend to get Pass rushing 3-4 DE??? But only for Attack Defenses

Me Want to Do...GET an awesome Edge Rusher - would love Ansah to work opposite of Kruger...if not then Jordan...once that Shoulder heals I think he can slowly get to 260 without losing a step.

JMHO

I don't think it's a done deal. Just that the Chiefs gave permission for Miami to talk with Brandon Albert, which now Andy Reid is denying. Who knows how far along this thing is....

Never heard anything about the deal being done, only thing i heard was that they were talking. If you read where it was done can you post or pm me a link? I'd like to see what the terms are.

I'm still mindset on hoping that if Millner is there, we take him. If not, we shop and trade down.

You internet savvy guys are way ahead of me on this kind of stuff. I know the message board is hard to get a read on POSTS...but I was genuinely confused cause as of Friday NFL Network was acting as if it was a done deal n the contract had to be signed. I was confused cause its Sunday n dawgs are talking about trading down with Miami?? As in did I miss something? Not being insulting in any way.

Reid stating in public that this is not a deal at all??? Well that changes things I guess.

It would be so so good for the Browns if this deal is not made!

JMHO

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/...ccaneers-source

Hmm.. NOW the Jets have the 9 pick and the 13th pick...

Team


1 1 Kansas City
2 2 Jacksonville
3 3 Oakland
4 4 Philadelphia
5 5 Detroit
6 6 Cleveland
7 7 Arizona
8 8 Buffalo
9 9 New York Jets
10 10 Tennessee
11 11 San Diego
12 12 Miami
13 13 New York Jets (from Tampa Bay)
14 14 Carolina
15 15 New Orleans
16 16 St. Louis
17 17 Pittsburgh
18 18 Dallas
19 19 New York Giants
20 20 Chicago
21 21 Cincinnati
22 22 St. Louis (from Washington)
23 23 Minnesota
24 24 Indianapolis
25 25 Minnesota (from Seattle)
26 26 Green Bay
27 27 Houston
28 28 Denver
29 29 New England
30 30 Atlanta
31 31 San Francisco
32 32 Baltimore



Pick

Overall pick

Team


1 33 Jacksonville
2 34 San Francisco (from Kansas City)
3 35 Philadelphia
4 36 Detroit
5 37 Cincinnati (from Oakland)
6 38 Arizona
Cleveland (exercised in 2012 supplemental draft)
7 39 New York Jets
8 40 Tennessee
9 41 Buffalo
10 42 Miami
11 43 Tampa Bay
12 44 Carolina
New Orleans (forfeited)
13 45 San Diego
14 46 St. Louis
15 47 Dallas
16 48 Pittsburgh
17 49 New York Giants
18 50 Chicago
19 51 Washington
20 52 Minnesota
21 53 Cincinnati
22 54 Miami (from Indianapolis)
23 55 Green Bay
24 56 Seattle
25 57 Houston
26 58 Denver
27 59 New England
28 60 Atlanta
29 61 San Francisco
30 62 Baltimore


Hmm.. wonder if the Jets want to move from 13 to 6? I would be very okay with acquiring their 7th / 39 overall in the 2nd round. I think it is absolutely critical that we regain a pick in the 2nd round.

At this point I would be Shocked IF we didn't trade down....Personally , while I understand that the Talent is lumped in the first 3 Rds....I still wouldn't mind us drafting the BPA with the 6th pick....IF we can gather decent enough picks to make an impact on the franchise , I support it.....However , IF we gather picks and in a few years , we end up with mostly serviceable players and scrubs and pass on a Truly Impact Player , I will be Disappointed.

If we cannot trade down , then we need to pick the BPA no matter what position.

I am not sold on Milliner at #6. My preference is to trade down, get Rhodes (or Vaccaro). Second round get either a CB if Vaccaro is taken in Rd 1., or take an OG or WR if Rhodes is selected. I like Rhodes a lot because I think he can play S if he does not work out at CB.

If Milliner is gone at 6 and we can't trade down, we have to take Xavier Rhodes. We can't go into the 2013 season with Buster Scrine at CB2. Its not that far of a reach anyway - I've seen mocks that have Rhodes going to the Browns at 6 (one of the CBS guys - Rob Rang?), and several others that have him going before 13.

I'd like a trade down, then Rhodes, or Eifert if no "elite" top ten are left.

Kinda vague and worthless post maybe , but I'd love for it to go down where we move into the teens and pick Eifert. Or 20s and somehow Womack slides that far. I see Rhodes going early teens or before. And Eifert as low as mid 20s if we don't take him earlier.