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By Bud Shaw, The Plain Dealer The Plain Dealer
April 21, 2013 at 8:00 PM, updated April 22, 2013 at 3:36 AM
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Bless their tortured souls, sports fans in this town are accustomed to embracing small consolations in the wake of faith-shaking events.
Art Modell ran an end-around to Baltimore, but, hey, we kept the name and colors. So what if elsewhere they have become synonymous with pathetic football. Here, they are considered iconic connections to slumbering glory days.
The most recent example came when LeBron James left town and people found some odd solace in owner Dan Gilbert putting the maloika on him.
How'd that work out?
The latest search for a silver lining in the playbook comes as draft week kicks off in Berea. And it brings the same amount of hopeful rationalization, albeit a more tangible one.
The NFL Draft drumroll has consistently ranked as the happiest time for Browns fans since 1999, but this period comes with news of an FBI/IRS raid on Jimmy Haslam's company and the unsealing of a disturbing affidavit.
The first trucking company has filed suit against Pilot Flying J in response to the details of the affidavit. More will follow.
The consolation for Browns fans: Sure, it sounds ominous. But Haslam's issues shouldn't affect the Browns on the field in 2013, certainly not to the extent that Randy Lerner's selling of the team did last year.
The pending ownership change was felt in the locker room, where everyone knows if it quacks like a lame duck, it's a lame duck.
Even the greenest of players knows the drill: New coaches bring in new schemes and different talent to fit them; new general managers want their own coach; new owners want their own GMs and team presidents.
For now, coach Rob Chudzinski and offensive coordinator Norv Turner aren't going anywhere. CEO Joe Banner has probably already logged more time in the office than Mike Holmgren did in a full season. The Browns are better built to handle this storm, provided it doesn't ramp up quickly and enter the category of the one that blew Dorothy and Toto to Oz.
It's a narrow view of the current events, but it's the most hopeful one for a fan base that can pretty much claim to have seen it all since 1999 -- "all" consisting of six head coaches, two Baltimore Super Bowls and now this.
For this issue to outrank "The Decision" as a gut punch -- "The Move" will always stand alone -- Haslam would have to be asked to step aside and then sell his team.
Don't be fooled by Haslam's calm manner in front of the cameras. This is serious, if not the first shift in a coming sea change (should he be found guilty).
Even if the owner is as innocent as he claims, remember the appeal he carried with him into town centered on his business acumen and his laser attention to detail after a decade of Lerner's reluctant ownership.
Pleading ignorance in a rebate scam calls that into question and frames every decision he has made in Berea to date and all the ones to come. He was supposed to be the hands-on owner Lerner wasn't, bringing buckets of sweat equity to the task.
That -- and enforced accountability throughout the organization -- were supposedly what made Pilot Flying J such a success after all.
Haslam's decision to hire the same attorney who represented former San Francisco 49ers owner Eddie DeBartolo in a fraud case might well be coincidental. And it might not. That case didn't end well for DeBartolo, who was suspended by the league after pleading guilty.
We're a long way from that. But if the scenario playing out is really happening and it's not a plot change in the upcoming movie about the Browns, the "woe is us" attitude former General Manager Phil Savage complained about is justified.
In the meantime, it's draft week.
Haslam plans to be here Thursday.
We won't be asking if you know where your owner is, just whether your owner has his lawyer on speed dial.
So we have that going for us.
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This business as usual FOR CLEVELAND...approach doesn't help much. I'm somewhat shocked to hear the media admit that the change in ownership, last season, did have an effect on the team.
...but I don't get Shaw's position that the FBI and IRS raid on Haslam's business isn't as bad as last year's change in ownership.
It could potentially be worse, possibly leading to another change in ownership...possibly leading to another new coaching staff next season.
I'm hoping none of that happens but I'm not about to look at "this mess", through rose colored glasses, either.
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Well, if history is any indication...
I would bet a lot that Hassie's gonna plea something, pay out a butt ton of money and walk with probation and a no contest plea.
He has many other's in place to fall for this including that idiot they have on the taped phone calls. That guy is a dream come true for Hassie and anyone looking to put a face on this scandal. I can see him doing the perp walk now.
Outside chance that the NFL says to sell but that would involve admitting they were wrong - something that doesn't happen much.
My bet is that the Feds take a HUGE windfall (in a fine), the NFL holds Hassie up as a hero for righting a wrong done by rogue employees and we carry on biz as usual.
I can also see that if the NFL takes a more punative course, Lerner as the next biggest owner, would take over as interm owner and with the Lerner years seen as the joke they are, Little Randy would keep the FO/Coach staff group together. Not sure if he would sell or not, but he certainly doesn't need the money.
It`ll be interesting. And it will definitely put the "limit your off-the-field distractions" theory to the test.
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My bet is that the Feds take a HUGE windfall (in a fine), the NFL holds Hassie up as a hero for righting a wrong done by rogue employees and we carry on biz as usual.
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it depends what they are going for here. technically, this could get as far ranging as Standard Oil and they could break up the whole business (using rebates to undercut competitors, then not actually giving those rebates is pretty criminal beyond the normal scope as it undercuts market forces).
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link by Scott Petrak Browns owner Jimmy Haslam will make another statement to the media at 3 p.m. in Knoxville, Tenn., regarding the FBI and IRS investigation into Pilot Flying J. Haslam is CEO of Pilot Flying J, the nation’s largest owner of truck stops. The media advisory said Haslam will not take questions, but “his statement about the actions the company plans to take is significant and should help to answer the media’s questions.” The FBI and IRS raided the company’s headquarters April 15, and an FBI affidavit unsealed Thursday alleges the company defrauded trucking companies by giving them smaller rebates than agreed upon. The document states Haslam knew about the practice. Haslam met with reporters Tuesday and denied any wrongdoing, then issued a statement Friday insisting on his innocence.
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Lots of things "potentially" could be devastating to the franchise.
Look, according to every article I've read, they have NO direct evidence that Haslam did anything wrong. They have an inside source that said that Jimmy was in Sales meetings where these things were discussed, but nobody is stepping up so far to verify it as fact.
That, to my knowledge is all they have and that guy could be a degruntled employee for all we know. I'm not even sure they've disclosed who that employee is yet have they? (I've not seen the name)
If during the course of he investigation, the FBI turns up Emails or letters or notes or memos that prove Haslam knew,, that's a horse of a different color. Or if a bunch of employees step up to say the practice of holding back rebates was pushed on them by Haslam, again, that's another story..
And that might all turn out to be the case.. I read an article today that said it could take a year to untangle everything.
What I"m NOT looking forward to is another year of this senseless debate
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Haslam maintained that the investigation was focused on a small portion of the company's business, and that he had no plans to step aside during the investigation because he had done nothing wrong.
He has the resources to prove just that.
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FWIW, I believe him. He's saying he wasn't involved if indeed something was done wrong. And while he didn't admit it, he's clearly embarrased so I believe that it's true that Pilot Flying J was cheating their customers and I think he's just seeing it.
For those that haven't heard the video from 3pm this afternoon, I'm guessing you can still see it on WKYC.com if you like
Initially, he has put in place a 5 step plan to rectify the situation which included an IT fix that would eliminate the use of manual record keeping as it relates to rebates and another thing is to suspend those employees that were named in the documents released by the FBI on Thursday.
Another item was to name a person to investigate that will report to the Board of Directors and not Jimmy Haslam. I'm guessing he has to keep an arms length for appearance purposes and for the integrity of the investigation as well.
He says he'll have the person start next week.
But like I said, I believe the guy. I think he looked stunned by the accusations and I think/Believe he'll find the solution.
Just give it time.. and if I'm wrong, so what, is anyone on this board gonna lose sleep over Pilot Flying J? Hell no. and as for the Browns, they'll end up in the hands of his wife and that's about as bad as it will get.
Heck, she's better looking anyway...LOL
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I don't believe a word Haslam has to say at this point. The FBI/IRS don't go public with something as high profile as this without being 110 percent sure of their facts. Is Haslam guilty...........guilty as hell. What happens to our team is all I am worried about. 
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I believe you're being just as pre-mature as those proclaiming his guilt.
The FBI and IRS have to put enough evidence together to obtain a search warrant. So obviously some degree of evidence exists. I find it VERY hard to believe that the FBI would publicly disclose Haslam as being involved in this directly without a great deal of evidence that would strongly suggest that.
Now I'm not blaming you nor trying to discredit you from believing as you wish to believe, but to try to indicate that things simply don't look good right now and that the odds aren't against Haslam I feel are pretty odd to put it mildly.
And it really has nothing to do with Pilot flying J. The question would be, if he ends up being found guilty of the things he's being accused of...... How would you feel and Browns fans feel about having a convicted felon being our owner?
And how would the NFL itself feel about that and what that would do to the image of the NFL?
I really hope you're right but it does seem you wish to gloss over the gravity of the situation and what long term impact it would really have possibly.
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Look again I will say, the FBI and IRS do not go public with a such high profile case without crossing T's and dotting I's. The Government does not want to embarrass themselves. The NFL and Roger Goodel are certainly not going to make a move since they just investigated Haslam, months ago and approved his ownership of the Browns.
Everyone involved (apart from Haslam and the Feds) have been blindsided.
Look I am a Browns fan, I understand the mentality of looking on the bright side. I have spent many seasons calculating mathematical odds of the Browns making the playoffs.............. different scenarios, etc.
Haslam is in it.................deep.
Say what you want about Randy Lerner but he has never brought this into our circle.
Haslam is not a Cleveland guy, we were just the team for sale.
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LOL....let's wait for him to become a convicted felon.
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LOL....let's wait for him to become a convicted felon.
I agree, that should take 1 to 2 years, about the life expectancy of all our front office staff.
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I don't believe a word Haslam has to say at this point. The FBI/IRS don't go public with something as high profile as this without being 110 percent sure of their facts. Is Haslam guilty...........guilty as hell. What happens to our team is all I am worried about.
Lol. Yeah, the government would never jump the gun. 
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They have him dead to rights! Haslam is the CEO, ignorance is not an excuse. He committed fraud and will pay unless his attorneys work some magic.
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They have him dead to rights! Haslam is the CEO, ignorance is not an excuse. He committed fraud and will pay unless his attorneys work some magic.
We'll wait to see what comes out. I'm sure there will be some sort of fine if the allegations are true. You are sure he committed fraud already?
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Im sorry, but at the very least...Haslam is guilty of Racketeering and I bet thats what he gets charged with....
I am sure Jimmy will try to blame someone else, but thats why the Feds are taking their time...to be sure they can charge Jimmy directly with Racketeering and Fraud and make the charges stick so he can't slime his way out of them.
trust me, those Sales Managers Jimmy is trying to blame, they will cut a deal with the Feds in return for rating him out....
Im sorry, but I don't believe for one second that Haslam didn't know....If he is guilty of stealing millions, I hope the guy rots in prison...even if he is the Browns owner..I can't stand a no good thief....nothing is honest anymore...
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Im sorry, but at the very least...Haslam is guilty of Racketeering and I bet thats what he gets charged with....
I am sure Jimmy will try to blame someone else, but thats why the Feds are taking their time...to be sure they can charge Jimmy directly with Racketeering and Fraud and make the charges stick so he can't slime his way out of them.
trust me, those Sales Managers Jimmy is trying to blame, they will cut a deal with the Feds in return for rating him out....
Im sorry, but I don't believe for one second that Haslam didn't know....If he is guilty of stealing millions, I hope the guy rots in prison...even if he is the Browns owner..I can't stand a no good thief....nothing is honest anymore...
I agree 100%. But lets wait and see what happens before we hang him.
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What exactly does that have to do with anything?
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Two possible scenarios worry me. One is Haslam being convicted(or pleading out) and the NFL taking over the team. LA is waiting.... They are currently planning to build one and possibly two NFL ready stadiums in the Sunshine State. It is thought the Chargers might take one, but the NFL definitely wants a team in LA.
The second is virtually the same. Jimmy hits financial ruin through loss of customers. He over extended to buy the Browns......a sweetheart deal waits in LALA land. Paranoid? Perhaps, but it's not like it didn't happen before. I don't trust ANY owner. One that shows so little regard for his customers doesn't fill me with trust. I don't believe there is anything he wouldn't do to line his pockets. This is a scary time in Browns Town.
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The team is locked into their lease ... plus, the league wants a team in Cleveland. The Browns have a rabid fanbase, and we sell out the stadium even in the 4th 4 or 5 win season in a row. Give this town a winner, and there will be people fighting to sign up for season tickets, and merchandise will fly off the shelves. Browns fans want a winner so badly that they can fall completely, head over heels in love with, and the NFL knows it.
The stadium agreement is an NFL team's wet dream, as far as revenue is concerned. If the stadium makes a dollar, the Browns get the lion's share. They also have one of the biggest radio deals in the NFL.
The NFL doesn't want the Browns going anywhere. They want a winning team in Cleveland so the team can make even more. (and the league as well)
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The team is locked into their lease ... plus, the league wants a team in Cleveland. The Browns have a rabid fanbase, and we sell out the stadium even in the 4th 4 or 5 win season in a row. Give this town a winner, and there will be people fighting to sign up for season tickets, and merchandise will fly off the shelves. Browns fans want a winner so badly that they can fall completely, head over heels in love with, and the NFL knows it.
The stadium agreement is an NFL team's wet dream, as far as revenue is concerned. If the stadium makes a dollar, the Browns get the lion's share. They also have one of the biggest radio deals in the NFL.
The NFL doesn't want the Browns going anywhere. They want a winning team in Cleveland so the team can make even more. (and the league as well)
I wouldn't trust the NFL just like I don't trust politicians. 
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LA is waiting.... They are currently planning to build one and possibly two NFL ready stadiums in the Sunshine State. It is thought the Chargers might take one
Think you mean the Golden State  I'd say Jacksonville would be the top candidate to leave for L.A.
Anyhow, I keep seeing the references that Haslam is now "embarrassed." He didn't seem to be embarrassed immediately after the raid. He was defiant, aggressive and confident that his company did nothing wrong. Seemed certain about the ins-and-outs of his company. Wasn't until the public became aware of the details that he became embarrassed.
Haslam's comments for the public are purely PR. When the public was in the dark, his company was innocent. When the light shined? his tone flipped.
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I don't believe a word Haslam has to say at this point. The FBI/IRS don't go public with something as high profile as this without being 110 percent sure of their facts. Is Haslam guilty...........guilty as hell. What happens to our team is all I am worried about.
Two words,, Richard Jewell..
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I believe you're being just as pre-mature as those proclaiming his guilt.
Could be. Dunno. I believe I allowed for that possibility in my comments..
But I have a few people reading skills.. Just a few. And what I got was that he was ticked off. Sounded like a guy who just found out that his company did indeed do something wrong and he looks embarrassed about it. And pretty ticked off as well.
He seems to be taking steps to track down what happened, when it happened and how it happened.
Now I grant you, that could just as easily be guilt I'm reading as anger and embarrassment. And if that's the case, I'm pretty sure that the FBI will be able to ascertain that.
But don't be at all surprised to find that at the end of the day, he was dupped by his own employees.
Someone said in one of the posts after yours that he's the CEO. Well, yeah, but don't even try and tell me that a guy that overseas a multi state, multi national corporation with roughly $19 billion in sales can't have things hidden from him.
Hell, I ran a $50 million dollar division of a large company with 24 office and 80 staff employees under my contol and I was always finding things that people tried to pull on me. Makes me wonder how much I didn't catch.
He has 500+ locations and a corporate office with I don't know how many employees. You can bet he's getting scammed by someone almost everyday.. Count on it.
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I have little doubt that evidence exists. My question is, that's one side of the story,, what's the other side? Do you know?
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Now I'm not blaming you nor trying to discredit you from believing as you wish to believe, but to try to indicate that things simply don't look good right now and that the odds aren't against Haslam I feel are pretty odd to put it mildly.
Thanks for allowing me to feel as I do. Your permission to do so is just overwhelming me with Joy and Admiration for you.. 
Gees man,, first you say you don't blame or discredit me for believeing what I believe, then you go about telling me that you believe my beliefs are pretty odd and you say that's putting it mildly. Yeah, right! Not trying to discredit me.. LOL
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Here's the thing, none of us would care about haslam or his company if he wasn't the owner of the Browns. I didn't even know he existed prior to the announcment last summer.
But how would I feel if he were found guilty and he was the owner of the Browns? I'd feel nothing. The reason is simple, if he was a convicted felon, the NFL wouldn't allow him to be an owner. He'd have to sell the team or transfer ownership to his wife or someone else. So I'd pretty much feel nothing one way or the other because the circumstance wouldn't be allowed to stand.
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I really hope you're right but it does seem you wish to gloss over the gravity of the situation and what long term impact it would really have possibly.
I hope I'm right also. It would make things easier going forward. And I do believe I am.
But if I'm not, from my perspective, it doesn't matter. The Browns will just have a new owner. And I suspect that that owner will be Dee Haslam. She'll basically do what Jimmy tells her and Banner will continue to be the Face of the Browns.
So there you have it..
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Why do you insist on bringing up Richard Jewell?
It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
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Why do you insist on bringing up Richard Jewell?
It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
Simple,, it's proof positive that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't ALWAYS get it right..
Did you honestly think that I thought that richard Jewell had anything else to do with Haslam and the case at hand 
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It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
Simple,, it's proof positive that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't ALWAYS get it right..
Did you honestly think that I thought that richard Jewell had anything else to do with Haslam and the case at hand
So, on high profile cases, they were wrong.... once?
Out of how many cases since that one, 17 years ago?
And you still think that it should be viewed as an even field at this stage?
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It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
Simple,, it's proof positive that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't ALWAYS get it right..
Did you honestly think that I thought that richard Jewell had anything else to do with Haslam and the case at hand
So, on high profile cases, they were wrong.... once?
Out of how many cases since that one, 17 years ago?
And you still think that it should be viewed as an even field at this stage?
What I'm saying is that they aren't without error.. They know something happened. They (and I stress this) even THINK they know what. But if they had absolute proof of what Haslams involvement was, then he'd be in cuffs and on his way to the pokey..
EDIT: OH,, did you expect me to do research on the other failures of Law Enforcement? Ain't gonna happen....
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Why do you insist on bringing up Richard Jewell?
It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
Simple,, it's proof positive that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't ALWAYS get it right..
Did you honestly think that I thought that richard Jewell had anything else to do with Haslam and the case at hand
It has nothing to do with anything. If Haslam was the focus of a hurried terrorist investigation, then it would make sense for you to bring his name up often.
But in this case, it's a long-term fraud investigation. And in those cases, they're almost never wrong.
Richard Jewell has no place in this topic.
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Why do you insist on bringing up Richard Jewell?
It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
Simple,, it's proof positive that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't ALWAYS get it right..
Did you honestly think that I thought that richard Jewell had anything else to do with Haslam and the case at hand
It has nothing to do with anything. If Haslam was the focus of a hurried terrorist investigation, then it would make sense for you to bring his name up often.
But in this case, it's a long-term fraud investigation. And in those cases, they're almost never wrong.
Richard Jewell has no place in this topic.
You simply can't read..
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Why do you insist on bringing up Richard Jewell?
It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
Simple,, it's proof positive that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't ALWAYS get it right..
Did you honestly think that I thought that richard Jewell had anything else to do with Haslam and the case at hand
It has nothing to do with anything. If Haslam was the focus of a hurried terrorist investigation, then it would make sense for you to bring his name up often.
But in this case, it's a long-term fraud investigation. And in those cases, they're almost never wrong.
Richard Jewell has no place in this topic.
You simply can't read..
And you're missing the correct context of your own example
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Actually Richard Jewell was put on the list as a suspect, as would anyone directly involved in an incident, since authorities don't know if he just happened by at the right place right time, or was the initiator. It was the media that turned him into a criminal in the public's eyes.
No different than a spouse being killed. The living spouse immediately goes on the list of suspects until they are cleared, evidence or no evidence.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Your argument is that sometimes the FBI is wrong, and Richard Jewell is your example, correct?
This is a ridiculous example that has no place in the discussion whatsoever.
Please feel free to explain to me how the above is wrong, seeing that I can't read.
Your condescension is going to look especially foolish, coupled with the doe-eyd 'I beloved him!', when Haslam gets his pelt nailed to the wall in a year or two.
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Your argument is that sometimes the FBI is wrong, and Richard Jewell is your example, correct?
This is a ridiculous example that has no place in the discussion whatsoever.
Please feel free to explain to me how the above is wrong, seeing that I can't read.
Your condescension is going to look especially foolish, coupled with the doe-eyd 'I beloved him!', when Haslam gets his pelt nailed to the wall in a year or two.
Let's not ignore the fact that out of the 242 Corporate Fraud cases investigated in 2011, 241 resulted in convictions. To follow Daman's logic though, they got it wrong that one time. 
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Why do you insist on bringing up Richard Jewell?
It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
Simple,, it's proof positive that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't ALWAYS get it right..
What I'm saying is that they aren't without error.. They know something happened. They (and I stress this) even THINK they know what. But if they had absolute proof of what Haslams involvement was, then he'd be in cuffs and on his way to the pokey..
He will be soon. It's called due process. The FBI had enough evidence to obtain a search warrant. As a result of the search, they will have enough evidence to arrest Jimmy. Apparently, they have recorded conversation of Jimmy about the fraud.
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Why do you insist on bringing up Richard Jewell?
It absolutely nothing to do with the case at hand.
Simple,, it's proof positive that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't ALWAYS get it right..
Did you honestly think that I thought that richard Jewell had anything else to do with Haslam and the case at hand
It has nothing to do with anything. If Haslam was the focus of a hurried terrorist investigation, then it would make sense for you to bring his name up often.
But in this case, it's a long-term fraud investigation. And in those cases, they're almost never wrong.
Richard Jewell has no place in this topic.
You simply can't read..
And you're missing the correct context of your own example
No I'm not. I am merely saying that the FBI and other law enforcement agencies don't always get it right.
It's you and PDR that want to make it something I didn't intend it to be.. I'm only trying to say that they don't automatically get it right..
You have to let it play out.
But it's ok with me if you all want to do is hang the man without due process.. Be my guest
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No body is "hanging" anyone without due process.
But, if the Browns won 241 out of 242 games, would you think they had a darn good chance of winning the next one?
Bad example? Okay, try this one. The fbi is throwing darts. They've hit 241 bulls eyes out of 242 throws. Where's your money going on throw 243?
Due process will be done. The end result is yet to be known, obviously.
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RICO outlaws every manner in which an enterprise can be used for long-term racketeering activity. Under the law, no person may invest racketeering proceeds to acquire any interest in an enterprise; no person may acquire or maintain an interest in an enterprise through a pattern of racketeering activity; and no person associated with or employed by an enterprise may conduct that enterprise's affairs through a pattern of racketeering activity.
The question may be, did Jimmy use racketeering proceeds to aquire his interest in the Browns?
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