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The Associated Press says Haslam's team was secretly recorded on how they scammed hundreds of thousands of dollars from clients.
not that scamming somebody at all for any amount of money is good... but this is over a few hundred grand? Weren't we told, or at least led to believe, or perhaps we made it up on this board, that the number was significantly higher than that?
If the complaint isn't well into the millions, then I'm even more confidant that Jimmy will come out of this slightly bruised but not broken.
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It does kind of stink to high heaven though, especially since its not like it was a mistake. They intentionally committed fraud. So now that they got caught they want to "make it right"?
If a crime was committed, a crime was committed. Paying it back now doesn't change that. Later I am going to go rob a bank, if they track me down I am going to return the money to the back, with interest in order to " make it right"
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This has to be seen as a good sign. Not sure if anything should be read into the fact that it was due to the fact that the hearing was in Knox County or not.
Either way, this is a win for Haslem and Pilot Flying J.
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Good news. Like I said in the other thread, this will turn out to have zero to do with the Browns
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not that scamming somebody at all for any amount of money is good... but this is over a few hundred grand? Weren't we told, or at least led to believe, or perhaps we made it up on this board, that the number was significantly higher than that?
If the complaint isn't well into the millions, then I'm even more confidant that Jimmy will come out of this slightly bruised but not broken.
I'm pretty sure they meant per client, not an aggregate amount.
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Ever since the news got out that the FBI had raided the Pilot Flying J headquarters in Knoxville, TN last week, rumors and wild speculation abounded, with everyone trying to figure out why the FBI took action. Now that the FBI have released the affidavit that they used to obtain their search warrants we have our answer: the information in the affidavit suggests that Pilot Flying J may have stolen tens of millions of dollars from trucking companies… and that the owner, Jimmy Haslam, may have known that it was happening.
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Confidential Informant: Well what if you can’t talk your way out of it? They figure out a way and they’ve got you nailed?
VP: You pay up.
Confidential Informant: Pay it?
VP: Yeah. Or you buy an airplane.
Confidential Informant: What does Mark and Jimmy say about . like that? Do they even catch it or do they know?
VP: .’ A. I mean, I called Jimmy and told him I got busted at Western Express.
Confidential Informant: What’d he say?
VP: Oh he knew it.
Confidential Informant: Oh did he?
VP: Absolutely. I mean, he knew all along that I was cost-plussin’ this guy. He knew it all along. Loved it. We were makin’ $450,000 a month on him–
Confidential Informant: Holy s—t!
VP: – why wouldn’t he love it?
Confidential Informant: Yeah.
VP: Did it for five years, cost us a million bucks. I mean, we made $6 million on the guy, cost us a million bucks.
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The Associated Press says Haslam's team was secretly recorded on how they scammed hundreds of thousands of dollars from clients.
not that scamming somebody at all for any amount of money is good... but this is over a few hundred grand? Weren't we told, or at least led to believe, or perhaps we made it up on this board, that the number was significantly higher than that?
If the complaint isn't well into the millions, then I'm even more confidant that Jimmy will come out of this slightly bruised but not broken.
Oh Man DC, I've heard and read that the numbers are anywhere from a couple of hundred thousand to a couple of hundred Million. So honestly, I don't think who has the number right at all.
If it's in the hundreds of thousands, this should never have been made such a big deal.
For those that thought it wasn't looking good for Jimmy,, I think today, it's looking better.
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It does kind of stink to high heaven though, especially since its not like it was a mistake. They intentionally committed fraud. So now that they got caught they want to "make it right"?
If a crime was committed, a crime was committed. Paying it back now doesn't change that. Later I am going to go rob a bank, if they track me down I am going to return the money to the back, with interest in order to " make it right"
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It's all depending on your point of view King. If Jimmy Haslam was completely aware and condoned the actions of some of his sales staff, then yeah, it stinks to high heaven.
But if he wasn't aware, then doing what he's doing is the right thing. I've had it happen where I found an employee did something that was just wrong and I've had to stand up, take the hit and fix it. That's what the boss does. That's what the boss has to do.
Of course, if he didn't know, that leaves him open to ridicule for being a bad CEO. But that in and of itself, doesn't make him a criminal.
Which situation is true? I honestly don't know. But all his life (as far as I'm aware) both Jimmy Haslam and his father have been well respected. So you have to ask yourself, did Jimmy just wake up one day and say, it's now time to become a crook?
That would be really weird and in my opinion, unlikely.
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I think the only reason to tell a company not to contact his clients is so he can't settle the case out of court thus costing the attorneys a boat load of cash from a lawsuit.
Ladies and gentlemen, I think we have a winner! 
Well, there is a good reason as was stated by that Georgia attorney in the article where this first came to light,
Here you have a corporation, Pilot Flying J, that intentionally and methodically screwed its clients out of money, and said that they didn't know the extents or whatever. Then, they are suddenly able to produce numbers quick and easy like to make phone calls and offer to make restitution.... if you're one of those companies, why on earth would you trust Pilot Flying J's numbers for restitution??
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not that scamming somebody at all for any amount of money is good... but this is over a few hundred grand? Weren't we told, or at least led to believe, or perhaps we made it up on this board, that the number was significantly higher than that?
If the complaint isn't well into the millions, then I'm even more confidant that Jimmy will come out of this slightly bruised but not broken.
I'm pretty sure they meant per client, not an aggregate amount.
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Ever since the news got out that the FBI had raided the Pilot Flying J headquarters in Knoxville, TN last week, rumors and wild speculation abounded, with everyone trying to figure out why the FBI took action. Now that the FBI have released the affidavit that they used to obtain their search warrants we have our answer: the information in the affidavit suggests that Pilot Flying J may have stolen tens of millions of dollars from trucking companies… and that the owner, Jimmy Haslam, may have known that it was happening.
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VP: You pay up.
Confidential Informant: Pay it?
VP: Yeah. Or you buy an airplane.
Confidential Informant: What does Mark and Jimmy say about . like that? Do they even catch it or do they know?
VP: .’ A. I mean, I called Jimmy and told him I got busted at Western Express.
Confidential Informant: What’d he say?
VP: Oh he knew it.
Confidential Informant: Oh did he?
VP: Absolutely. I mean, he knew all along that I was cost-plussin’ this guy. He knew it all along. Loved it. We were makin’ $450,000 a month on him–
Confidential Informant: Holy s—t!
VP: – why wouldn’t he love it?
Confidential Informant: Yeah.
VP: Did it for five years, cost us a million bucks. I mean, we made $6 million on the guy, cost us a million bucks.
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Am I reading that right, the VP is saying Jimmy knew it, but the confidential informant seemed surprised by it.
Do I have that right
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not that scamming somebody at all for any amount of money is good... but this is over a few hundred grand? Weren't we told, or at least led to believe, or perhaps we made it up on this board, that the number was significantly higher than that?
If the complaint isn't well into the millions, then I'm even more confidant that Jimmy will come out of this slightly bruised but not broken.
I'm pretty sure they meant per client, not an aggregate amount.
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Ever since the news got out that the FBI had raided the Pilot Flying J headquarters in Knoxville, TN last week, rumors and wild speculation abounded, with everyone trying to figure out why the FBI took action. Now that the FBI have released the affidavit that they used to obtain their search warrants we have our answer: the information in the affidavit suggests that Pilot Flying J may have stolen tens of millions of dollars from trucking companies… and that the owner, Jimmy Haslam, may have known that it was happening.
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VP: You pay up.
Confidential Informant: Pay it?
VP: Yeah. Or you buy an airplane.
Confidential Informant: What does Mark and Jimmy say about . like that? Do they even catch it or do they know?
VP: .’ A. I mean, I called Jimmy and told him I got busted at Western Express.
Confidential Informant: What’d he say?
VP: Oh he knew it.
Confidential Informant: Oh did he?
VP: Absolutely. I mean, he knew all along that I was cost-plussin’ this guy. He knew it all along. Loved it. We were makin’ $450,000 a month on him–
Confidential Informant: Holy s—t!
VP: – why wouldn’t he love it?
Confidential Informant: Yeah.
VP: Did it for five years, cost us a million bucks. I mean, we made $6 million on the guy, cost us a million bucks.
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Am I reading that right, the VP is saying Jimmy knew it, but the confidential informant seemed surprised by it.
Do I have that right
Posting that had more to do with the amounts of money than anything. I'm not sure what the informant knew or what s/he was thinking. I don't think an informant acting surprised is evidence of anything, for what I think are obvious reasons.
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Yeah.
Reading that transcript, my first thought was that the informant was asking questions that would lead to implicit statements.
Of his six or seven lines of dialogue, most of them are questions meant to clarify statements just made.
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Reading that transcript, my first thought was that the informant was asking questions that would lead to implicit statements.
Of his six or seven lines of dialogue, most of them are questions meant to clarify statements just made.
Yup. Every line is a softball across the plate, set up for the guy to swing at, and that VP swung for the fences on every one of them.
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Then, they are suddenly able to produce numbers quick and easy like to make phone calls and offer to make restitution.... if you're one of those companies, why on earth would you trust Pilot Flying J's numbers for restitution??
Because you are a less than sophisticated trucking company that may be struggling to make it, you have no real idea how to go back and come up with your own numbers and no desire to ride out a multi-year legal battle and somebody waves a 6 figure check at you to make it go away... so you take it. Not that hard to believe at all.
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Then, they are suddenly able to produce numbers quick and easy like to make phone calls and offer to make restitution.... if you're one of those companies, why on earth would you trust Pilot Flying J's numbers for restitution??
Because you are a less than sophisticated trucking company that may be struggling to make it, you have no real idea how to go back and come up with your own numbers and no desire to ride out a multi-year legal battle and somebody waves a 6 figure check at you to make it go away... so you take it. Not that hard to believe at all.
I'm not in the trucking business, but in the industry I am in,, we're considered a small player.
But we watch every penny. We know when we aren't getting every penny we're supposed to get.
It's not hard, you figure out what your supposed to get, track it and if you don't get the right amount, you question it... if you think your right, you don't stop until you get an explaination you can accept.
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I understand that, but if times are tough and somebody offers you $300K for restitution of a wrong and you have the choice to either accept it or spend 2 years and $100K in legal fees fighting to get the $500K you think you really deserve and you still run the risk of losing.... do you fight it?
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I understand that, but if times are tough and somebody offers you $300K for restitution of a wrong and you have the choice to either accept it or spend 2 years and $100K in legal fees fighting to get the $500K you think you really deserve and you still run the risk of losing.... do you fight it?
I'm not sure that's what happened, but yeah, I understand.
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j/c Wisconsin trucking company files suit against Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, Pilot Flying J CLEVELAND, Ohio — A Wisconsin trucking company filed a federal lawsuit Wednesday against Browns owner Jimmy Haslam's family company, Pilot Flying J, that specifically names Haslam as a defendant accused of defrauding the trucking business and others like it. The class-action lawsuit is the first of five lawsuits filed in the case to name Haslam and other top company officials as individual defendants in the case of Pilot Flying J's rebate program, which is under federal investigation. The company also is named in the suit, brought by Edis Trucking of Franksville, Wis., in U.S. District Court in Chicago. The suit says that Haslam, as chairman and CEO of Pilot Flying J, "exercised control, authority, responsibility and/or supervision" of the company's employees and officers. It also said he oversaw "corporate culture, operations, policies, procedures, the fuel rebate/discount program and the scheme to defraud (Edis and other companies)." (See the full lawsuit below. Mobile users can view it here.) The suit said Haslam "also engaged in and/or caused" Pilot Flying J to take part in the scheme. Others named as individual defendants include the company's president, Mark Hazelwood, chief financial officer Mitch Steenrod and several salespeople. The suit alleges that Haslam and the others took part in a pattern of unlawful activity to defraud the trucking companies. It says the company and its executives took part in "multiple, repeated and continuous acts of mail fraud and/or foreign wire fraud." The suit points to an FBI affidavit filed in U.S. District Court in Knoxville, Tenn., that says Haslam knew about the fraud committed by his top sales staff, as he had been in sales meetings where the scheme was discussed. The document says that Pilot Flying J sales employees withheld fuel price rebates and discounts from certain companies to boost the profitability and increase their commissions. The document was used to obtain a judge's approval to search Pilot Flying J's offices last month. Court records show FBI and IRS agents had intended to search Haslam's office, but it is unclear whether that took place. No one has been charged in the case. Haslam has attempted to contact several companies that lost money. He has denied wrongdoing, but he has stressed that he is simply trying to make his customers whole. A spokeswoman for Haslam could not be reached. But last week, she released a statement that said: "We've been advised by counsel class-action lawsuits in a matter like this are expected and no surprise. Our counsel will review them as they come and defend them." Companies also have filed lawsuits against Pilot Flying J in Arkansas, Alabama and Georgia. A trucker in Mississippi also has filed suit. http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/wisconsin_trucking_company_fil_1.html
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That's pretty much all you need to read before you yawn and say to them, Tell me when it's not alleged. LOL
I read that article earlier. to me it's a company jumping on the bandwagon. But if they feel they were wronged, they should do just what they are doing. so I have no issue with it at all..
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That's pretty much all you need to read before you yawn and say to them, Tell me when it's not alleged. LOL
Everything the Boston Marathon bombers have done is still 'alleged'. Read any article about them, and chances are the word 'alleged' will be used.
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Lawsuits piling up against Pilot Flying JPosted by Mike Florio on May 4, 2013, 9:55 PM EDT Lost in the draft and its aftermath have been the legal troubles of Browns owner Jimmy Haslam. The family-owned truck-stop empire Haslam runs faces an ominous FBI and IRS probe into fraud against customers. As the wheels of the criminal justice system grind slowly, several of the allegedly defrauded customers have pulled the rip cord on the civil justice system. Pilot Flying J already faces multiple lawsuits, including several class actions. (Courts use class actions when numerous persons have suffered a sufficiently similar injury to allow the entire situation to be bundled into one case.) At least four class actions have been filed in recent days, and at least eight total lawsuits have been filed by customers who allegedly had rebates and discounts manipulated in a way that generated extra revenue for Haslam’s company. The lawsuits flow from the 120-page affidavit that triggered a search warrant of the company’s headquarters. At least one employee of Pilot Flying J secretly recorded conversations and meetings regarding the alleged practice of preying on trucking companies deemed not sufficiently sophisticated to realize their pockets were being picked. One trucking company recovered $146,000 from Pilot Flying J before the search warrant hit the fan. W.N. Morehouse Truck Line in Omaha, Nebraska spotted the discrepancy and pushed until Pilot Flying J rectified the situation. According to the Omaha World-Herald, one of the recorded conversations in the federal investigation specifically related to W.N. Morehouse’s failure to track the money owed via rebates. “The trucking industry as a whole has a poor reputation for not being the smartest people, but I think we proved that not to be true because we caught them,” office manager Curt Morehouse said. “There’s probably some people [at Pilot] who think they’re sophisticated who don’t have a job today.” There also may could be some people at Pilot who end up being sophisticated federal inmates. In the interim, Haslam is trying to hold his business together. He has hired an independent outside investigator, whose independence necessarily is compromised by the fact that Pilot Flying J is paying the bill. Moreover, Pilot Flying J has launched a fairly transparent effort to keep customers by offering double points in its rewards program. “Not only do we want to reward our loyal customers for their patronage, we want to demonstrate our industry-leading appreciation to the hardworking and inspiring drivers who keep this country moving,” Haslam said. The fact that Haslam didn’t call the move what it is — a desperate P.R. ploy launched after the company apparently was caught with its hand pressed against the bottom of the proverbial cookie jar — suggests that Pilot Flying J continues to underestimate its customers. Allegedly. PFT
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Just because something is 'alleged' doesn't mean you can't look at circumstances or evidence and come to an idea of how easy or hard it will be to overcome the charges.
What's your point? I am just tired of this story,, so wake me when we get to a resolution. I'm also tired of all the doom and gloom it's producing from some folks.
It is what it is and will be what it will be. I'll worry about it when it has an effect on the Browns, IF it ever does.
Funny thing is, before he bought the Browns, I didn't know who Haslam was and I never really thought about Pilot Flying J at all. And today, I could care less about PFJ, only the Browns.
So, like I said, wake me when it's no longer merely alleged..
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 Yeah, he should have called it that.
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Yea he should,everybody outside of Aurora sees it for what it is. Holding people accountable,integrity and leadership.All traits of our new owner. Now I'm
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This thread is all kinds of funny.
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Hey, we don't make the news, we just report it. And trying to laugh it off really won't change anything.  If he was still part owner of the Steelers and not the Browns, you guys would be all over it. And that's funny right there,
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Not me. I detest the "news" angle of sports reporting. I could care less if Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, etc did steroids. I don't watch or follow sports for news. I follow it for entertainment.
There are real issues in the world that deserve our attention. Rapes, murders, political corruption, the national debt, generational poverty, Obama's health care plan, lawlessness, etc, etc.
I could give a rat's butt about this. I realize that may offend some of you, but I hope he skates because that would be best for the Browns.
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Good Lord, jump the gun much? I think I've made it clear that I think he's guilty. I'm just laughing at the ridiculousness of Florio being upset that Jimmy didn't actually call his move a sneaky ploy....and the Aurora joke.
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There are real issues in the world that deserve our attention. Rapes, murders, political corruption, the national debt, generational poverty, Obama's health care plan, lawlessness, etc, etc.
I could give a rat's butt about this. I realize that may offend some of you, but I hope he skates because that would be best for the Browns.
Real issues, huh? Like Holmgren taking vactions during the season? lol You went all moral on Holmgren for gossip like that, still posting it although he's long gone and now you hope Haslam skates for doing the working man 7or 8-figure style, while owning a blue collar sports team...for the "best of the Browns"....yeah right, totally plausible and consequential
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There are real issues in the world that deserve our attention. Rapes, murders, political corruption, the national debt, generational poverty, Obama's health care plan, lawlessness, etc, etc.
I could give a rat's butt about this. I realize that may offend some of you, but I hope he skates because that would be best for the Browns.
Real issues, huh? Like Holmgren taking vactions during the season? lol You went all moral on Holmgren for gossip like that, still posting it although he's long gone and now you hope Haslam skates for doing the working man 7or 8-figure style, while owning a blue collar sports team...for the "best of the Browns"....yeah right, totally plausible and consequential
Yup, this IS a "real issue". It even falls under the aforementioned corruption and lawlessness.
Guess that doesn't matter -- if you have an agenda 
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Once again turning my words around. And you two certainly don't have an agenda. It's not obvious at all.
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I'm not turning around any words. In fact, if you look, I used your exact words in their exact context to discount your own statement I don't have an agenda at all, in fact, I believe that I'm quite impartial on most everything regarding this team, especially of late as I have no interest in any side of things.... but you do (and always have) treat ANYONE with a differing opinion on anything as "having an agenda". God forbid they repeat that opinion more than once, too, lol. If they do, then they're just beating a dead horse, lol!
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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What's your point?
My point is, you don't see the double standard here?
I mean, sure if every single arrested, case or accusation that came up was replied to by you with 'Yawn. Tell me when it's more than 'alleged', then your response would make complete sense here.
But a simple search of anything that pertains to legal matters does not show that.
In the Boston case, you congratulated authorities for a job well done. You didn't point out that things were merely 'alleged'. You didn't say 'Yawn, let me know when they're convicted'. If I were to sift through other instances, I imagine I'd find the exact same 'rush to judgment' that you're admonishing people for here.
My point is ... you're not stressing that we remember that 'alleged' still presumes innocence as a philosophy - you're doing it because you want to believe that Haslam is innocent.
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Lauryn Hill gets 3 months for failing to pay taxes NEWARK, N.J.—Grammy-winning singer Lauryn Hill has been sentenced to three months in prison for failing to pay taxes on about $1 million in earnings. She was also sentenced Monday in Newark to three additional months of home confinement. DenverPost Jimmy better hope an pray every nickel of that ill gotten revenue was accounted for and the taxes were paid on it. The IRS doesn't play around. They don't care who you are.
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Lauryn Hill gets 3 months for failing to pay taxes
NEWARK, N.J.—Grammy-winning singer Lauryn Hill has been sentenced to three months in prison for failing to pay taxes on about $1 million in earnings.
She was also sentenced Monday in Newark to three additional months of home confinement.
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Jimmy better hope an pray every nickel of that ill gotten revenue was accounted for and the taxes were paid on it. The IRS doesn't play around. They don't care who you are.
Unless you are a member of O's cabinet.....or just a member of his presidency. If so, no big deal.
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I should add: unless you're a member of congress. If you are, those pesky rules that the peons have to abide by don't include you. You know, if you're "in", all you have to do is pay the penalty if you get caught.
The "rules" only apply to citizens, not the "czars".
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Lauryn Hill gets 3 months for failing to pay taxes
NEWARK, N.J.—Grammy-winning singer Lauryn Hill has been sentenced to three months in prison for failing to pay taxes on about $1 million in earnings.
She was also sentenced Monday in Newark to three additional months of home confinement.
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Jimmy better hope an pray every nickel of that ill gotten revenue was accounted for and the taxes were paid on it. The IRS doesn't play around. They don't care who you are.
If they check his personal taxes and irregularities are found. If it is a problem inside the Corp. Haslam doesn't have anything to worry about.....other than it is his company and it will get a hefty fine.
I don't think taxes is the issue here. I think all taxes were paid unless they come up with some Mickey Mouse amount.
The issue is reported profits that should have been paid back in rebate.
If anything, the company probably paid too much in taxes since they paid on reported income that probably shouldn't have been reported as income.
The IRS may owe them money after the accounting errors are corrected.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/small-gator-chomp.gif)
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Lauryn Hill gets 3 months for failing to pay taxes
NEWARK, N.J.—Grammy-winning singer Lauryn Hill has been sentenced to three months in prison for failing to pay taxes on about $1 million in earnings.
She was also sentenced Monday in Newark to three additional months of home confinement.
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Jimmy better hope an pray every nickel of that ill gotten revenue was accounted for and the taxes were paid on it. The IRS doesn't play around. They don't care who you are.
Unless you are a member of O's cabinet.....or just a member of his presidency. If so, no big deal.
WOW I am proud of this board!! All the way until page six until somebody brought Obama into a subject that had zero to do with OBama  We're getting better
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Baby steps, man... baby steps.
Browns is the Browns
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LOL......you and Dj brought up the agenda thing. I didn't.
I made a post about how I felt on this particular issue. I want what is best for the Browns. Dj jumped in and brought up freaking Holmgren. He cited my agenda. You concurred.
I sure as hell did NOT address either of you two first. I typically ignore both of you.
Holmgren has nothing to do w/this thread. Your buddy Dj brought him into it. I didn't like The Big Show. Wanna know why? Because he hurt the Browns. Period.
My statement remains the same. I hope this situation does not hurt the Browns. If you, Dj, mac, and others want it to hurt the Browns.....so be it. I really could care less what you guys think. You have all proven yourself to be who you are.
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Above you say there's bigger things to deal with such as corruption. Then you mention this... Quote:
I want what is best for the Browns.
Would it be best for the Browns to be represented by a man who cut some corners so he could afford a gold toilet seat?
Your double standard is quite apparent here. Did Holmgren deny you an autograph once? Did he reject the strawberry daiquiri you poured him? Were you the Pat we were supposed to ask?
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