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Lauryn Hill gets 3 months for failing to pay taxes
NEWARK, N.J.—Grammy-winning singer Lauryn Hill has been sentenced to three months in prison for failing to pay taxes on about $1 million in earnings. She was also sentenced Monday in Newark to three additional months of home confinement.
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Jimmy better hope an pray every nickel of that ill gotten revenue was accounted for and the taxes were paid on it. The IRS doesn't play around. They don't care who you are.
Unless you are a member of O's cabinet.....or just a member of his presidency. If so, no big deal.
WOW I am proud of this board!! All the way until page six until somebody brought Obama into a subject that had zero to do with OBama We're getting better 
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The thread kind of went into the "tax" issue. I followed that.
Correct me if I'm wrong: Is what I stated, true and factual?
I apologize for the thread turning into a tax thing. I do not apologize for what I said.
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Your double standard is quite apparent here. Did Holmgren deny you an autograph once? Did he reject the strawberry daiquiri you poured him? Were you the Pat we were supposed to ask?
LOL....aren't you special. Do you feel "real big" after posting that?
The Big Show drew my ire because he sucked as a team president. You can wolf all you want. I did not attack you guys. I defended Haslam and the Browns.
I could care less if the likes of you three don't like it.
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What's your point?
My point is, you don't see the double standard here?
I mean, sure if every single arrested, case or accusation that came up was replied to by you with 'Yawn. Tell me when it's more than 'alleged', then your response would make complete sense here.
But a simple search of anything that pertains to legal matters does not show that.
In the Boston case, you congratulated authorities for a job well done. You didn't point out that things were merely 'alleged'. You didn't say 'Yawn, let me know when they're convicted'. If I were to sift through other instances, I imagine I'd find the exact same 'rush to judgment' that you're admonishing people for here.
My point is ... you're not stressing that we remember that 'alleged' still presumes innocence as a philosophy - you're doing it because you want to believe that Haslam is innocent.
Oh geez, are you really comparing the Boston Bombing Alleged Perps to the PFJ Alleged Perps?
One had a shoot out with cops, the other didn't. It's pretty freakin clear those guys in boston were more than simply alleged. Don't you think?
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What's your point?
My point is, you don't see the double standard here?
I mean, sure if every single arrested, case or accusation that came up was replied to by you with 'Yawn. Tell me when it's more than 'alleged', then your response would make complete sense here.
But a simple search of anything that pertains to legal matters does not show that.
In the Boston case, you congratulated authorities for a job well done. You didn't point out that things were merely 'alleged'. You didn't say 'Yawn, let me know when they're convicted'. If I were to sift through other instances, I imagine I'd find the exact same 'rush to judgment' that you're admonishing people for here.
My point is ... you're not stressing that we remember that 'alleged' still presumes innocence as a philosophy - you're doing it because you want to believe that Haslam is innocent.
Oh geez, are you really comparing the Boston Bombing Alleged Perps to the PFJ Alleged Perps?
One had a shoot out with cops, the other didn't. It's pretty freakin clear those guys in boston were more than simply alleged. Don't you think?
I am absolutely comparing the two situations. (See how easy it is to admit that you're making an absurd comparison for the purpose of a point?)
My comparison isn't related to the crimes or their nature, but to point out that you using the word 'alleged' as a reason to tune out the conversation isn't very logical.
Everyone and anyone being investigated for or accused of a crime is 'alleged'. That is no reason to plug your ears and sing la-la-la. One can examine surrounding factors to form an idea of what's going on.
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My statement remains the same. I hope this situation does not hurt the Browns. If you, Dj, mac, and others want it to hurt the Browns.....so be it. I really could care less what you guys think. You have all proven yourself to be who you are.
vers...there could be a much bigger issue than "the Browns".
The owner of the Browns might be a freaking crook, stealing money from a lot of businesses, and not just nickel and dime stuff. How often do you hear of the an NFL owner having his business raided by the FBI and IRS?
The fact is, some of us look at Haslam's business problems (IRS/FBI) and take them seriously, and that has "nothing" to do with our fan loyalty to the Browns.
You might take look at Haslam's business problems (IRS/FBI raid) and conclude it's no big deal, and that has nothing to do with your fan loyalty.
Haslam's business conduct could affect the Browns, without a doubt...but you nor I have any control over the issue. How each of us views the issue, has nothing to do with our fan loyalty.
Vers...if you want to attack those who do take Haslam's business problems "seriously" and claim we don't care about the Browns or that you somehow are a better Browns fan because of your view on Haslam's business practices...that is a reflection on "you", and your judgement...not a reflection on my fan loyalty.
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Vers...if you want to attack those who do take Haslam's business problems "seriously" and claim we don't care about the Browns or that you somehow are a better Browns fan because of your view on Haslam's business practices.
I did not attack anyone. I even said that my opinion on the matter may offend others. I did not mention one single poster in my reply. It was Dj and Purple who attacked me and brought up my agenda.
I don't have any problems w/anyone who is troubled by this. My opinion is my own. Period.
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Sorry, that's just nutty... Comparing the two is just plain nutty.
One had a shoot out, the other didn't. I would say that the presumption of innocence for Haslam has to be much higher than it is for guys that pulled out guns and had a gun battle with cops..
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Vers...if you want to attack those who do take Haslam's business problems "seriously" and claim we don't care about the Browns or that you somehow are a better Browns fan because of your view on Haslam's business practices.
I did not attack anyone. I even said that my opinion on the matter may offend others. I did not mention one single poster in my reply. It was Dj and Purple who attacked me and brought up my agenda.
I don't have any problems w/anyone who is troubled by this. My opinion is my own. Period.
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vers...you specifically named me...and others...and now you want to pretend you didn't try to make the argument that those who question Haslam's business practices " want it to hurt the Browns".
Your words Vers...now you defend them !
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Sorry, that's just nutty... Comparing the two is just plain nutty.
One had a shoot out, the other didn't. I would say that the presumption of innocence for Haslam has to be much higher than it is for guys that pulled out guns and had a gun battle with cops..
You would think that a guy who was condescendingly crowing about 'reading comprehension' earlier in this thread would take the time to make sure they comprehend what they read.
Here, you are comparing the crimes and their nature.
As I stated, my comparison was not to crimes or their nature, but the use of the word 'alleged' and whether or not such a word warrants a lack of attention.
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Yes, I did indeed miss that, please accept my sincere apology.
I still say this is so far from over and all the doom and gloom is not really all that necessary.
One of the things that the Commish wanted to know when he spoke with Haslam last week was if the finances of Jimmy Haslam could withstand the onslaught and backlash without endangering the Browns. (I'm paraphrasing of course) and he walked away with the belief that the finances are in place to make it through this mess. at least he said so.. we'll see.
I don't know what's going to happen in the end. Crystal ball is broken.. But I do know that what I see is a couple of companies that supposedly were cheated by PFJ seem to be piling on.
Anyway. I'm going to wait and see what happens..
Have you accepted my apology yet? LOL
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If he was still part owner of the Steelers and not the Browns, you guys would be all over it. And that's funny right there,
Not me. I detest the "news" angle of sports reporting. I could care less if Bonds, McGuire, Sosa, etc did steroids. I don't watch or follow sports for news. I follow it for entertainment.
There are real issues in the world that deserve our attention. Rapes, murders, political corruption, the national debt, generational poverty, Obama's health care plan, lawlessness, etc, etc.
I could give a rat's butt about this. I realize that may offend some of you, but I hope he skates because that would be best for the Browns.
Tell me mac where I bad-mouthed anyone!!! Again, I even said I may offend some of you.
I did not address a specific poster until AFTER Dj and Purple brought up Holmgren and MY Agenda. I did fire back on them. AFTER they got on me. I never allowed people to bully me, mac.....and I am not about to start now!
mac, now that I have addressed your concern, will you please go back to the Trade w/Indy and Pittsburgh thread and apologize for bashing the new FO in regards to them blaming the scouts? It was pointed out to you that they did not blame the scouts at all. You never took back your harsh words.
Are you going to be a man, mac......and apologize? Or are you going to be the mac that we all know and .....?
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LOL......you and Dj brought up the agenda thing. I didn't.
I made a post about how I felt on this particular issue. I want what is best for the Browns. Dj jumped in and brought up freaking Holmgren. He cited my agenda. You concurred.
I sure as hell did NOT address either of you two first. I typically ignore both of you.
Holmgren has nothing to do w/this thread. Your buddy Dj brought him into it. I didn't like The Big Show. Wanna know why? Because he hurt the Browns. Period.
My statement remains the same. I hope this situation does not hurt the Browns. If you, Dj, mac, and others want it to hurt the Browns.....so be it. I really could care less what you guys think. You have all proven yourself to be who you are.
Yup, I took a cheap-shot, for sure... a well-deserved one, too, I think  You are *constantly* accusing people of having an agenda, and I just wanted to point out that you have an agenda every bit as much as anyone you accuse of it.
I'm glad that you ignore me... actually, that's a lie, I really don't care one way or the other. As for Holmgren, I didn't care for him either, but I also didn't mention him at all, anywhere... why are we talking about it?
I don't understand why you think that any of us on here would want anything to hurt the Browns, but apparently you feel that if we think Haslam is screwed that we WANT the Browns to be hurt? That's some pretty deranged logic, dude... but, whatever.
Yes, I have proven myself to be who I am, just as you have. Comparing the two, I, by far, prefer to be who I am. Thank you for making that eminently clear 
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Ya'll a buncha crying little girls.
I come to this thread to get RELEVANT NEWS on Haslam, instead I get this stuff. I'll have to check Yahoo news or the PD or something now.
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I come to this thread to get RELEVANT NEWS on Haslam, instead I get this stuff. I'll have to check Yahoo news or the PD or something now.
Well if you find some, feel free to post it. 
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Ya'll a buncha crying little girls.
I come to this thread to get RELEVANT NEWS on Haslam, instead I get this stuff. I'll have to check Yahoo news or the PD or something now.
Sorry, my panties were bunched 
Anyone have any news?
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That's why I came here to see if there were any recent updates. I don't see anything and I wondered if I missed something. That was my mistake.
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There is nothing to see here, move along...... 
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Which is largely why this bickering session has developed, because there is no real news to report. I'm sure if something was reported, it would get here pretty quick.
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When it was first discovered the company owned by Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam had been accused by the FBI of massive fraud, many across the NFL publicly said little and just waited. That may have quickly changed. Several team officials are saying they believe it may be extremely difficult for Haslam to keep the Browns, because he may be ensnared by a myriad of lawsuits and legal actions that could drain his finances and prevent him from keeping the club. “This is more worrisome than people know,” said one team official who has familiarized himself with Haslam's situation. The FBI has been probing Haslam's truck-stop company, Pilot Flying J, and has alleged massive impropriety. NFL sources say they are concerned about the long-term viability of the Browns under Haslam's control and believe it may be only a matter of time before Haslam is forced to sell the Browns. The reason: lawsuits. Several have already been filed. If Haslam can win them, then his future as Browns owner is more on solid footing. But if there are massive financial settlements or legal losses, it would prove problematic for Haslam. NFL team officials fear probe could drain Haslam, undermine Browns The NFL is also concerned what the FBI investigation will do to Haslam's cash flow. There is fear it could be dramatically injured and that could hurt what Haslam spends on the Browns, again forcing him to sell. Haslam has apologized to Browns fans repeatedly but continues declining to answer any questions about the case. Haslam told reporters this week: “We feel badly about it, and we're very comfortable we'll work through this situation.” www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/22217956/nfl-team-officials-fear-federal-probe-could-drain-haslam-undermine-browns
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I don't see how his personal finances would be affected by a business issue.
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I don't see how his personal finances would be affected by a business issue.
It's possible he didn't buy the Browns based solely on his "personal" finances.......meaning his personal AND business assets "passed muster" with the nfl.
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On a completely different note, I know a gentleman that's a part owner of a truck stop in Napoleon Ohio. A few years ago (6 if I recall), a certain Mark Hazelwood showed up, with checkbook in hand after getting off his company plane.
Hazelwood walked in and said "how much do you need for this truck stop?" Guy gave him a number. Hazelwood said "nope, too much." and walked out.
Wasn't too terribly long after that Pilot had a brand new truck stop sitting across the street.
Doesn't mean anything, just saying.
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I don't see how his personal finances would be affected by a business issue.
From Forbes, Flying J has revenue of $29B... operating income of $635M..... and $4.4B in assets.... and it's not like they stopped making money. So short of Jimmy going to jail, I don't see how PFJ couldn't survive considerable fines and settlements without affecting his ownership of the Browns...
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If Jimmy Haslam himself was named in the lawsuits, they could go after his personal money.
That being said, I don't think that his personal money pays for the Browns as much as the Browns' revenue pays for the operating costs of the Browns. It's not like the team is a hole that he throws his personal wealth into, or anything.
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Sixth Suit Hits Pilot Flying J Over Fuel Rebates
Haslam to address transportation industry at event this week
CSP Daily News | May 14, 2013 KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- The sixth class-action lawsuit has been filed against Pilot Flying J following the federal investigation into allegations of fuel-rebate fraud, reported The Knoxville News Sentinel.
The lawsuit filed by Osborn Transportation of Gadsden, Ala., marks the sixth such case since federal agents raided Pilot's corporate headquarters in Knoxville, Tenn., on April 15. Federal search warrants lay out claims of a scheme to cheat trucking customers on diesel rebates that spanned at least five years.
Pilot has denied any wrongdoing.
The new lawsuit does not ask for a specific amount of damages but estimates the loss at more than $75,000, said the report. The company asks for restitution, punitive damages and interest on the money lost.
So far, five other lawsuits have been filed:
•Atlantic Coast Carriers Inc., Hazlehurst, Ga., filed a lawsuit on April 20 against Pilot Flying J in Knox County Circuit Court in Knoxville. Attorneys charged that Haslam was trying to short circuit Atlantic Coast Carriers' class-action lawsuit and asked a Knoxville judge to order Haslam to cease contacting trucking firms that may be victims of the alleged rebate scheme. The judge has denied the charge of witness tampering and a request for a restraining order that would have prevented Pilot Flying J from contacting customers.
•National Trucking Financial Reclamation Services, Little Rock, Ark., filed a suit on April 24 citing the evidence in an FBI affidavit that Pilot reduced promised rebates to some of it customers who received monthly rebate checks.
•W.T.W. Enterprises, Roanoke, Ala., and its owner, Charles E. Winborn, another Pilot customer, filed a suit April 25, charging that the alleged rebate "skimming scheme" cost trucking firms in excess of $5 million; it charges breach of contract and violations of Tennessee's Consumer Protection Act.
•Bruce Taylor, a trucker, filed a class-action suit in Jackson, Miss. According to the complaint Taylor, a trucker, was a Pilot customer since 2005 and had been promised rebates by Pilot. His suit cited the allegations in the FBI affidavit. The suit said Pilot and it agents engaged in fraud, deceptive trade practices and breach of contract.
•Edis Trucking Inc., Franksville, Wis., filed a suit on May 1 in Chicago that accuses the company, Haslam, president Mark Hazelwood and other executive of racketeering. The company is also seeking unspecified money damages including a punitive award and other relief.
Meanwhile, Pilot Flying J CEO Jimmy Haslam has agreed to address a Scopelitis, Garvin, Light, Hanson & Feary transportation seminar in Indianapolis later this week where he will answer questions put to him in advance by trucking company executives, reported The Plain Dealer.
The law firm, whose client base includes more than 5,000 transportation-related companies, contacted Haslam last week about speaking at the 2013 Scopelitis Transportation Seminar being held next Thursday and Friday in Indianapolis.
"We were invited and considered it a good opportunity to communicate with the trucking industry," Pilot Flying J spokesperson Alan Carmichael told the newspaper,
And possibly as an antidote to the scandal, Knoxville-based The Massey Group took out a full page advertisement in Sunday's News Sentinel praising the Haslams. The Massey Group, however, said the ad is not in response to the federal investigation into Pilot. "If this city ever had a family that we owe appreciation to, it's the Haslams," Randy Massey of The Massey Group said.
The ad says in part, "Thank you to the Halsam family for the many years of support for Knoxville and East Tennessee. ... Please know that you have the appreciation of the community to which you have contributed so much."
Massey said the point of the ad is simply to show the Haslam's appreciation for their help shaping our community. "If you look at the great families that have made this a great community, we have a lot of things that communities our size don't have, and a great deal of that is due to the Haslams," Massey told WBIR-TV. "And I said on Mother's Day I think I would like to put ad in that just said to the Haslam's 'Thank you very much. How can we thank you enough for what you've done to our community?'"
The ad also lists companies and individuals who support the Haslam family. That list includes Knoxville Mayor Madeline Rogero, who told WBIR, "I hope that the investigations don't drag on and things get worked out soon so that the family can go back to doing what they do best, and that's just caring about Knoxville."
Pilot Flying J has more than 650 retail locations and is the largest operator of travel centers and travel plazas in North America. Its network provides customers with access to more than 60,000 parking spaces for trucks, more than 4,400 showers and more than 4,000 diesel lanes, of which more than 2,800 offer diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) at the pump.
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Man, this stuff is really small potatoes. $75,000? Even $5 million really isn't much considering that Pilot Flying J has over $29 billion in annual sales, and made $442 million in profits last year. http://www.forbes.com/companies/pilot-flying-j/I really think that people are over-blowing this whole situation and its potential impact on the Browns. (at least from a financial aspect) The Browns can afford to spend based on the money they receiver from the TV revenue, ticket sales, and all other sales ... even without any outside assistance from Pilot Flying J. Haslam paid case for the team. The Pilot Flying J company made almost half a billion dollars last year. Even if the government and all of these lawsuits won everything, and they won some ridiculous amount like a quarter of a billion in damages and fines ... (unlikely) that would still only be half of the profits from Pilot Flying J for one year. All it would do would probably limit expansion plans or upgrades. In other words, it would probably hurt people looking for jobs more than it would hurt Pilot Flying J. However, I doubt that the government wins anything approaching that amount, and neither do what amount to nuisance lawsuits. (at least from the dollars involved) Hell, "Big Tobacco" was hit with a couple hundred million in fines, but that was a large number of companies, and a long term pattern of behavior. This is small potatoes by comparison, and would probably cost the company less than $50 million when all is said and done. The dollars just don't seem to be that significant. (at least from the lawsuits filed) BY what has been reported, not every company was impacted by the actions the government alleges, and many larger companies simply were not impacted at all. We'll see what happens in the long run, but I feel better about this as time goes on. Right now I see the most likely scenario as Jimmy Haslam "giving up control" to his wife, or another family member, while still retaining influence behind the scenes. From what's been reported, the finances just don't seem significant enough to have an impact on Haslam, his family, or the business.
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I've kinda been saying the same thing,, let's see if you get beat on as much as I did LOL Good luck with that 
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$75,000? Even $5 million really isn't much considering that Pilot Flying J has over $29 billion in annual sales, and made $442 million in profits last year.
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Punitive damages can be 10 times that amount. Regardless, it won't affect ownership of the Browns. There's a reason you set a company up as a corporation. Jail time is what I'd be concerned with.
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The lawsuit filed by Osborn Transportation of Gadsden, Ala., marks the sixth such case since federal agents raided Pilot's corporate headquarters in Knoxville, Tenn., on April 15....
Bruce Taylor, a trucker, filed a class-action suit in Jackson, Miss. According to the complaint Taylor, a trucker, was a Pilot customer since 2005 and had been promised rebates by Pilot. His suit cited the allegations in the FBI affidavit.
So, is it the sixth class action suit? It sounds more like six individual cases vs. six class action lawsuits. I thought a class action suit was a group of entities suing for the same thing in one lawsuit.
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The sixth class-action lawsuit has been filed against Pilot Flying J following the federal investigation into allegations of fuel-rebate fraud, reported The Knoxville News Sentinel.
The lawsuit filed by Osborn Transportation of Gadsden, Ala., marks the sixth such case since federal agents raided Pilot's corporate headquarters in Knoxville, Tenn., on April 15....
Bruce Taylor, a trucker, filed a class-action suit in Jackson, Miss. According to the complaint Taylor, a trucker, was a Pilot customer since 2005 and had been promised rebates by Pilot. His suit cited the allegations in the FBI affidavit.
So, is it the sixth class action suit? It sounds more like six individual cases vs. six class action lawsuits. I thought a class action suit was a group of entities suing for the same thing in one lawsuit.
This case is not a class-action suit.
Some of the other ones are.
I don't know how the grouping is structured at that point, but taking a stab, maybe the company hen turns to it's clients and says 'You got screwed because we got screwed.' Etc.
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The suit, unlike some of the others filed in federal court, does not seek a class-action status. That means the firm is simply suing Pilot Flying J, without other companies joining iin the litigation. Already, companies have filed lawsuits against Haslam's company in Illinois, Arkansas, Alabama and Georgia. A truck driver in Mississippi also filed suit.
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2013/05/alabama_trucking_company_sues.html
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I agree. If this was big, it would be multiples.
This was a a political move. Another move by the IRS to target a convervative group, be it a corporation and not a non-profit.
Dirty, stinking bastards in the White House.
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Yep the IRS is going after conservatives They just sent me a nasty letter in the mail yesterday. I won my last audit, we shall see how round two goes.
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Yep the IRS is going after conservatives They just sent me a nasty letter in the mail yesterday. I won my last audit, we shall see how round two goes.
Well, if they find any problems, take a page out of their book and just say "sorry, my bad.", and move on like nothing happened. If it's good enough for our gov't. to do, it's good enough for the citizens.
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Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam's Pilot Flying J sued by North Carolina truck driver in class-action lawsuit May 17, 2013 A North Carolina truck driver sued Jimmy Haslam's Pilot Flying J on Friday, claiming Haslam's employees prepared false backup reports to conceal a widespread fraud involving the company's fuel rebate program. In a lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Pensacola, Fla., Jerry Floyd says the company withheld tens of millions of dollars in diesel fuel price rebates and discounts from customers since 2005. His suit marks the seventh case filed against Haslam's family company. (Read the lawsuit in the document viewer below) Floyd, who lives in Alexander County, N.C., filed the suit in Florida because he said in the lawsuit that he does much of his business there. He is an owner/operator with his own truck. The lawsuit does not specify how much he lost from the company. "It's a crying shame," he said Friday. "I have a saying: Don't trust anyone, and you'll never be disappointed." Like many of the other suits, Floyd seeks a judge's permission to have the case become a class-action lawsuit, meaning other companies affected in the rebate program can join in the litigation. It alleges breach of contract, fraud and fraudulent concealment. "Defendants prepared false backup reports and data to provide to customers to conceal defendants' fraud," the suit says. It says Pilot Flying J employees attributed any problems with the rebate system to "computer glitches" when speaking with trucking companies. Last month, FBI and IRS agents raided the company's headquarters in Knoxville. In an affidavit, an FBI agent said some sales employees withheld fuel price rebates and discounts from certain companies to boost the company's profits and their commissions. The document also says Haslam knew about the scheme, as he had been in sales meetings where the scheme was discussed. On Thursday, Haslam told hundreds of trucking company officials in Indianapolis that he was "absolutely not aware of" the scheme. No one has been charged. The lawsuit piggybacks on the FBI affidavit, saying how certain sales staff employees "took advantage of Spanish-speaking customers" and quotes a regional sales director as saying "there is a language barrier. So you can get away with a little bit more because they know that they are not going to understand everything that you say." The suit continues the legal saga for Haslam, the owner of the Browns, that appears to be just beginning as federal authorities continue to investigate Pilot Flying J's rebate system. On Friday, a reporter for Sports Illustrated wrote on its web site that Haslam's legal issues may come up next week at a league owners meeting in Boston, saying that "Haslam's legal issues have nothing to do with the Browns per se, but everything to do with his ownership of the team, and thus his fellow owners will be eager to hear from him and where he perceives the case is headed."
A spokesman for the NFL said Friday that Haslam has kept Commissioner Roger Goodell informed and said the issue affects Haslam's private company and not his handling of the Browns. A spokesman for Haslam has said that class-action lawsuits are predictable in cases where allegations of wrongdoing take place, and he said the company will defend the cases appropriately. web page
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Pilot Flying J's Jimmy Haslam on prior knowledge of fuel rebate cheating by sales employees: 'Absolutely not' May 18, 2013 at 8:02 AM By Alison Grant, The Plain Dealer INDIANAPOLIS -- Pilot Flying J's Jimmy Haslam told trucking company executives he had no knowledge of fuel rebate shortages to the truck stop chain's customers before federal agents raided his company. "Absolutely not. Absolutely not, ok? I take responsibility for what happens in PFJ's shop, but I was absolutely not aware of any of this," the chief executive of the nation's biggest diesel fuel retailer told hundreds of transportation industry officials gathered Thursday for a legal seminar. "I will say this. As soon as we found out there was an issue we immediately began taking an aggressive stance." Haslam's statements marked the first time he has unequivocally denied any prior knowledge of what the FBI describes as a deliberate scheme to withhold fuel rebates from trucking companies to boost company profits and sales employees' commissions. He said a review under way by auditors shows that about 250 Pilot customers out of 400 that were on a "manual" instead of automated rebate program had their rebates "adjusted," though he said that doesn't mean all of those accounts were improperly handled. Haslam said the tally was fluid because auditors are still digging into what took place. Pilot Flying J has about 5,000 trucking customers. Haslam initially was not on the agenda for the two-day seminar held by Scopelitis, Garvin, Light, Hanson & Feary in Indianapolis. But he accepted the law firm's invitation to address the gathering. Haslam said his short-term goal is to reimburse trucking companies for any fuel rebate under-payments, with interest. The more long-term goal, he said, is working hard to get Pilot Flying J's reputation back to what it was. "For someone to say there's a trust and integrity issue, it cuts right to the heart," he said. Scopelitis, which handles transport-related legal issues exclusively, collected questions from its clients before the seminar and forwarded them to Haslam, who addressed 18 that were submitted. Scopelitis President Gregory Feary said he didn't want to put Haslam in the position of answering on-the-spot questions because of the government investigation. Feary said he was waiting to see how Pilot Flying J resolved any rebate issues with his trucking company clients, rather than filing a lawsuit. "He's been awfully forthright and candid in his communications," Feary said. "As long as that continues, we see no need to get into a litigation situation." Haslam, who bought a majority share of the Cleveland Browns last year -- and was said then to be a leader expected to be closely engaged with the team -- gave a brief interview after his address. "Unfortunately, there were some things that happened a couple of levels below me" at Pilot Flying J that he missed, Haslam said "It's a blip. It may be a substantial blip. This is a blip. It may be a substantial blip, but it in no way jeopardizes our ownership of the Browns, No. 1, or our commitment to the Browns." he said. During his presentation, Haslam said Pilot Flying J immediately contacted its banks after the federal investigation became public, because liquidity is essential to the company. "So far, knock on wood .. . the banks have been great to work with," he said. FBI and IRS agents who descended April 15 on Pilot Flying J's headquarters in Knoxville, Tenn., said rebate fraud took place at the company for more than five years, according to their search warrant affidavit. Haslam released a statement that day saying he believed there was no wrongdoing. U.S. Attorney William Killian took the unusual step of ordering the search warrant affidavit unsealed. It showed that inside informants secretly recorded conversations among Pilot employees who brazenly discussed rebate cheating known by terms such as "trimming," "cost-plussing" and "screwing." An embarrassed Haslam apologized and called for a series of changes in the way Pilot Flying J does business. The affidavit indicates rebate fraud was widespread. It lists 35 current or former Pilot employees that are or were involved in supervising or supporting the sale of diesel fuel. It doesn't suggest that all them engaged in illegal activity. But it suggests Haslam and Pilot President Mark Hazelwood knew about shortchanging customers because they attended sales meetings where it was discussed. "Anybody who uses Pilot Flying J has to be wondering, 'Gosh, was I affected?'" said Gary Langston, president of the Indiana Motor Truck Association. "It's an unfortunate situation." Jeff Routt, an official at Langham Logistics, said 250 trucking companies with questionable rebates may be a fraction of Pilot Flying J's customers, "but in my opinion, if there was even one it would be a problem." Kevin Mullen, director of safety at the 300-truck ADS Logistics, which has a terminal in Garfield Heights, said he thinks Haslam had people underneath him who failed him. Among the trucking companies the affidavit said were defrauded are Chicago-based JKC Trucking Co. and W.N. Morehouse Truck Line Co. of Omaha, Neb. Neither sent representatives to Indianapolis. "I've been getting so many calls from so many places, I wish we hadn't been mentioned," said Michael Kucharski, JKC vice president. Curt Morehouse said Haslam settled up by paying about $150,000 his business was owed. "We got all our money. I got a news sales rep," Morehouse said this week. FBI and IRS agents are scheduled to visit his company Friday. Meanwhile, five trucking firms have called Morehouse looking for tips on how to detect rebate shortages. It would be difficult detective work because they don't have software that tracks fuel prices, Morehouse said. His advice to the companies: Check bills, find a few examples of questionable rebates and then call Pilot and ask them to finish going over their payment history. Haslam has said Pilot has a team of internal auditors reviewing every one of the company's 3,300 contracts with trucking customers. Plain Dealer reporter John Caniglia contributed to this report. web page
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League regards Haslam losing ownership of Browns “unlikely,” for now Posted by Mike Florio on May 18, 2013, 7:35 PM EDT In the last paragraph of a very thorough look at the potential impact of the scandal involving Pilot Flying J on the ability of Jimmy Haslam to continue to own the Browns, Don Banks of SI.com writes that, according to league and team sources, “the idea of Haslam having to change his long-term status in team ownership in reaction to the fraud case seems unlikely.” The key words in that sentence are “for now.” Much remains unknown as it relates to the federal probe that launched months ago, with an employee secretly recording conversations at the behest of the FBI. Last month, the investigation culminated in the issuance of a search warrant that allowed the FBI and IRS to descend on the Pilot Flying J headquarters, seizing documents and computers and all sorts of other potential evidence that possibly will prove beyond a reasonable doubt fraud against multiple customers. For starters, no one knows the contents of the documents and computers and all sorts of other potential evidence. There could be one or more smoking guns, for example, in emails sent or received by Haslam. There also could be much more evidence that was harvested before the execution of the search warrant. The 120-page affidavit that resulted in the issuance of the search warrant mentions only one conversation indicating that Haslam was aware of the alleged scheme, with words coming not from Haslam but from another employee. There could be other, similar proof that the feds opted to withhold, for now. Thus, the 120-page could be the tip of the iceberg. We just don’t know — and we won’t know unless and until the feds decide to pursue indictments. Then there’s the possibility that one or more of the employees who currently are being pitched under the bus by Haslam’s apparent I-didn’t-know-what-the-scoundrels-who-work-for-me-were-doing strategy will trade immunity for testimony that Haslam at best was aware and at worst ordered the proverbial customer code red. So while there likely won’t be an abundance of awkward moments this week when owners gather in Boston for their first meeting since the scandal broke, it’s impossible to know how this will unfold until we know more about the evidence that the FBI and IRS were, or weren’t, able to develop. web page
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In the last paragraph of a very thorough look at the potential impact of the scandal involving Pilot Flying J on the ability of Jimmy Haslam to continue to own the Browns, Don Banks of SI.com writes that, according to league and team sources, “the idea of Haslam having to change his long-term status in team ownership in reaction to the fraud case seems unlikely.”
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The key words in that sentence are “for now.”
When you reference key words, at least make sure they are in the original quoted sentence.

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I was thinking the same thing--------------where did it say "for now?" 
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In the last paragraph of a very thorough look at the potential impact of the scandal involving Pilot Flying J on the ability of Jimmy Haslam to continue to own the Browns, Don Banks of SI.com writes that, according to league and team sources, “the idea of Haslam having to change his long-term status in team ownership in reaction to the fraud case seems unlikely.”
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The key words in that sentence are “for now.”
When you reference key words, at least make sure they are in the original quoted sentence.
Frankly I don't see what Blue Hawaii has to do with anything, and I am shocked that you would even bring it up.
The longer this thing goes on, the more I feel that it really is just a witch hunt on the part of the government .... and their track record isn't so good lately. Some opined that it could be a political act, given that Jimmy Haslam's brother is Governor of Tennessee .... and most of us dismissed that possibility ...... but that does look far more likely today than it did when this whole mess came to light.
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