DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2013 NFL Season NFL Draft (2013) Round 1 Pick: Barkevious Mingo

I read Chuds and Banners pressers after the pick.

Seemed like they enjoyed talking more about Mingo the person than Mingo the football player. "Everyone loved spending time with him!".

Are we building a famiy or a football team?

People keep talking about Sheard being traded.

Everything I keep hearing or see here in NYC says they will be a rotating force and it was a solid pick. I kinda like that idea. and it takes some pressure off the db's

Best thing about this pick?

It wasn't Geno Smith.

Honestly, aside from the 3 left tackles, this was probably the worst crop of players in the first round ever. No stand out, difference making players. No elite QB's. No high-production defensive stars. Lots of injury concerns. Overall, a crappy 1st round.

We probably made the pick we had to and took the last, true elite "talent" left on the board at 6. If we deal down with the Rams, we lose out on Mingo and probably take the tight end from ND or another corner.

This pick is growing on me...slowly...

j/c

Barkevious Mingo was my number one choice, so of course, I am happy we got him. However, this pick is still high risk, high reward. This guy has a ton of athleticism, speed, and experience playing standing up, with his hands on the ground, 4-3DE, 3-4OLB, and 3-4DE at LSU. I'm guessing his days as a 3-4DE are over. Not sure he played it all that much anyways. I think he fits into the versatile mold Horton and Chud have been talking about. This pick is consistent with that.

His production at his final year of LSU doesn't concern me as much as others. Comments from his conference call were telling on what he was asked to do differently last year as opposed to two years ago when he racked up more sacks. Bottom line this kid creates havoc, disrupts timing of QB, and due to the still dominant pocket passer, I think we'll see him pull his ears back more and rush instead of QB contain, particularly in the AFC North. I think his traits coupled with Kruger's past will make our CBs better. Not sure what the team will do to address the second CB spot, but I keep thinking Bademosi will get a shot. I'm ok with that.

The risk is his technique, and what other people mentioned that I never thought about, was his lack of control. Hopefully this is coachable and he can refine his skills to match his pure talent. I'm not sure he is all that good against the run which is why Sheard may hang around, but you don't draft someone at 6 unless you expect him to play a more than significant role. It will be interesting to see what happens to Sheard. I don't think this will happen but he could be in discussions for a day 2 trade, but doubt it.

In hindsight, I think the top two on the Browns board were Jordan then Mingo. If Mingo was done, the trade would have happened, like Banner said.

The pick tells me a couple of things that I think are relevant, but surely no surprise to anyone:

1. It confirms how important this passing game is to this league. So like the Kruger and Bryant signing to apply pressure, this Mingo pick screams the same approach. Get to get the QB and do whatever you can to screw up the ever important passing game.

2. The was not a NEED pick. It was a BPA pick. And I really like that. I was ready to come on this board today and claim how worried I was about Milliner being picked because it screamed NEED to me. Everyone has their own opinion, but from many reports and analysis I've read on Milliner, he was not close to Haden, Peterson, and Claiborne at similar places they were picked. Couple that with the several medical procedures and the lack of CB signings in FA, and I would have felt this would have been a little bit of a desperation pick. Maybe desperation is too harsh a word since Milliner went a few slots later, just thought there were better overall players. I had come to shy away from Milliner as the days got closer.


I see people saying....we NEEDED to get Milliner because we had no #2 CB. I don't believe in that response. If the best player matched the need, then fine. But I don't think it did when we were on the clock.

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big ben will pick this kid up by the throat and PILE DRIVE HIM.

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I didn't realize that Mingo was a 22 year old girl.

I agree with most that corner was the bigger need but I am pretty excited that we have a couple units that appear to be really good and really deep. I believe it was Peen who said, and I agreed, that this team hasn't since it's return had a unit that you could look at and say it was good, it was deep, it was finished for a while. I believe we can now say that about the front 7 and I think we are just some depth away from being able to say that about the OL (which I still think more highly of than most because I'm ok with the OGs, I just want to give it some time to come together)...

If the Browns could move up and get Cyprien (FS) out of FSU tonight... that would be awesome... nothing like a great pass rush and a speedy ball hawking FS to make any corner look better. (ref: Pittsburgh Steelers)

And like some others, I just held my breath and prayed that I didn't hear Geno Smith called...

Gotta admit that i'm good with the pick. He was one of my top 2 if we stayed at #6 with Milliner being the other.

He reminds me of a taller (6'5" compared to 6'4") Chip Banks but slightly heavier (241 vs 233/235ish). NFLDraftScout states that he "Possesses a lean, athletic build with plenty of room for additional muscle mass" which indicates the Browns will ask him to bulk up 12-20lbs???

Still don't think and/or want them to trade Sheard. Can't/won't believe there wouldn't be any room on this team for him if he was to shed 10 to 15??? Inside, next to DQ???

Obviously, with this pick, Rhodes's 3-4 D puts more emphasis on pressure (hurry the QB) vs coverage (making the QB work deeper into their progressions).

Gotta find a FS, CB, OG, TE in the next few rds or, after we know what we have via the draft, fill in with some unsigned FA's?

I'd have been good with Milliner and I'm good with Mingo. Looks like were gonna give back what we've been gettin from the Stools and the Ratbirds.

Also, why is it that everytime we seem to get a leg up on the AFC North competition that leg up goes back down when players/needs like Jarvis Jones, Tyler Eifert, and Matt Elam effortlessly fall into their laps. Just SICK about those picks.

jmho

Good and fair post.

At the end of the day, we picked an all out hustle player for our front 7, that's a start I guess. But playing defense is about stopping the run, rushing the passer and coverage....right now we LOADED up ALL of our top resources into the pass rush with Bryant, Kruger, Groves and Mingo...a little more "balance" would have been better imho as the pass rush won't help us if we can't stop the run or cover as we won't get to the QB on every down

Also, even in an attacking D, you can only rush so many players, so by default someone's going to be on the bench regularly....sure, LOVE the depth, but at the cost of a top 10 pick? Depth? We still miss a handful of 3down players and we party depth? Luxury anyone?

Couldn't get to a computer for a couple of days.

1. Wed. Adam Schecter said he got news we were trying to move up to get Mingo...Sure ass heck glad that didn't happen.

2. I knew the strength up front in this draft were the LT. and the Edge rushers. Was hoping Floyd and /or Millner would have my two favorites Ansah or Jordan drop to us. No way...Johnson got taken #4 LTs went 3 of top 4 w/Jordan in the #3.

3. Throughout this last month I've been Ansah - Jordan and going back n forth w/Mingo n Millner as my 3rd choice.

4. Millner evidently w/5 surgeries had more than us back away...CB is a deep position as opposed to Edge Rushers. Actually Jets are being laughed at right now their fans are also very disappointed.

5. Mingo...love his explosive first step...has to get bigger but plays strong for 240.
Like the way he plays off blocks even doubled. Looks to have a good motor.
Only disappointment in watching Whole game film on him. Terrible Tackler - I hope that doesn't come back to Bite Us. No leverage n explosion into his tackles. QBs not bad but this was against RBs that I saw. Hope if he gets to 255+ he can become more physical.

6. If we do not trade Sheard for a 2nd round pick. I can only Assume. Mingo will come in ala Aldon Smith as a rookie for Passing Downs.

Lets face it...w/2 TWO Offensive GUARDS going in the top 10 - The pickings were slim up front...Made a lot of teams reach for OL Pugh, Frederick, Long - Fluker is no #11 talent. 6 OL in the top 11 picks should tell it all. Ansah n Jordan were the Stars for us to get. Mingo was hearing good things about him as in Hunter loving him. So I cannot be disappointed in taking him. Nothing can be better for our Attack D than an explosive Speed Edge Rusher...he gets bigger n stronger he could become the dominating player.

Cannot get a better name "BARK"evious Mingo...love Mingo especially if he Animals up with his Conditioning! Just sounds like a wild Dawg!

Hey the pickings were slim...Millner? Not only passed by us...What happens w/him facing NFL regarding Injuries. CBs have depth...rounds 3-5...we'll get a competitor Maybe even two. Honey Badger might be in our future?

JMHO - Mingo much much better than Jones. Steelers vs Browns...Edge Browns

Nobody really knows till time goes by.

With that stated drafting players is normally done based upon two criterion that you hope intersect.

Best Player Available(BPA) and Position Of Need (PON).

Banner managed to swing and miss on both accounts.

PON - Free agent Paul Kruger and Quentin (get me some) Groves will play with Sheard and Mingo. Tell me how that works?

BPA - Depends on who you talk too. Senior year 4.5 sacks, junior year 8. Jarvis Jones 14.5 sacks his senior year, 13.5 junior year. Jarvis played OLB under Todd Grantham's 3-4. Mingo will have to learn OLB.

Then of course you had Dee Milliner right there. Not only was Milliner a safer pick as a corner but he filled a very specific need.

And so it goes. Another year.

Maybe Haslam will be forced to sell the team. If he pleads guilty of knowing about the fraud the NFL may force his hand. Then of course Banner will sail. Horton will become a coach somewhere else. New regime will come in and decide on the 4-3 and we can all start over again.

1. Wed. Adam Schecter said he got news we were trying to move up to get Mingo...Sure ass heck glad that didn't happen.


I sure didn't hear that or read anywhere on that..just briefly heard we were calling about moving up but then it died.

JC

No joke.....

Barkevious has a brother named Hughtavious.

In hindsight, I think the top two on the Browns board were Jordan then Mingo. If Mingo was done, the trade would have happened, like Banner said.



Thats it in a nutshell..I agree with your posts.they wanted a athletic fast OLB who can get to the passer and disrupt a offense.
I would gather that Jordan/Mingo were 1/2 on their board and I do remember sometime back his name was mentioned by someone in the FO BUT IT WAS A BRIEF comment.
Well Horton has his pass rusher ,as I noted they want to apply pressure upfront , I give them credit , they have their plan and are sticking to it.

FYI

For all those interested, the press conference is scheduled for 2pm. I'm sure it will be on Clevelandbrowns.com

Safer pick because he was the top rated corner in the draft and he will not be learning a new position.

If you cross check all the scouting reports on Mingo you will find opinions all over the board. Most consider Mingo a boom or bust player. If you go by productivity his senior year was lacking in results.

Milliner played under Saban. Played against top competition. He displayed his ability consistently at every testing level. His game film is terrific. He shined at the combine.

Where I can get some Buster Skrine vs Dez Bryant video? I gotta prepare for the season.It's not easy keeping pizza and wings down after witnessing a train wreck like that.

Hey...not making it up...watching ESPN before NFL 32 Schecter on the screen n looking at his phone...he looks at his phone n then states Just got word Browns are looking to move up for Barkevious Mingo. Never heard anything else after. I don't think I was dreaming...lol

Just stating my frame of mind during the first 5 picks.

Obviously Mingo's family have a ROMAN EMPIRE fettish...lol

Hail Barkevious!

We'll see how he progresses. Pass Rush will improve 4-5 DB positions as opposed to improving ONE. All depends if Mingo produces!

JMHO

Somebody help me! Is it my eyes or is Sheldon Brown suddenly beginning to look a lot like that actress in the Direct TV Genie commercial?

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Luxury anyone?

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Or necessity.

Our front seven is locked with the ability to stay fresh with heavy rotation while administering constant pressure. I think Mingo will be decent this year, good next year and great the year after. I also look for Sheard to wreak havoc this year from the edge, and do an okay job dropping into coverage. Taylor, Winn, Hughes, Bryant & Rubin will wreak havoc up the middle, at the minimum, one or more will command double teams.

We can honestly say at this point that we're heading for one of the top front seven's in the league. Have we ever been able to say that?

I have no doubt we'll find someone to play opposite Haden, and we'll get a FS, an MLB, a TE and a guard, and I believe we'll eventually find our starting QB. It's just not going to all happen this year.

I like the Mingo pick as well. A good pass rush will make the coverage not have to hold as long. Now we gotta get a S or CB today.

Candy-gram for Mingo......candy-gram for Mingo.

J/C

Some of you guys kill me. We could draft Jim Brown and people would complain that all we did was draft a lacrosse player who happens to be a running back.

I'd be surprised if Mingo wouldn't have been drafted high by someone else had the Browns not taken him. It's not like we drafted Craig Powell, Mike Junkin, or Clifford Charlton. Someone earlier mentioned Chip Banks. That was my first thought when seeing Mingo. Something about him reminds me of Chip Banks

j/c

The one scouting report on him compared him to Demarcus Ware. If that's how it turns out, I'll be pretty happy with that.

I got the Genie so I don't see commercials but only assuming the reference to some drop dead gorgeous actress??? Sheldon??? NAH...all throughout the draft process especially with highlights of other teams - almost everyone has #24 chasing a WR into the End Zone...n he will only get slower. Not going to miss him at all.

Not to change the subject...PO'd me that we were the only top 15 pick they didn't show Kid pictures n Highlights of the Prospect ONLY ONE (NFL Network)

Oh n all the talks with Solomon Wilcox - Inside Berea War Room...all they showed was EVERY MISTAKE LOWLIGHT OF WEEDEN Not ONE HIGHLIGHT just every SACK, FUMBLE n INT...Vers got a job w/NFL Network editing for Browns stuff...lol

And he can play both sides.