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NFL cancels China Bowl to focus on London game Associated Pres http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2821706NEW YORK -- The exhibition game scheduled for China in August was canceled Monday by the NFL, which said it wanted to concentrate its "global resources" on next October's regular-season game in London. The game had been set for Aug. 9 in Beijing, the second of two consecutive contests between the New England Patriots and Seattle Seahawks, who had been scheduled to meet in Seattle the previous week. NFL spokesman Michael Signora said Monday that game also had been called off. Although San Francisco and Arizona met in Mexico City in 2005, the NFL has never played a regular-season game outside North America. The first will take place in London on Oct. 28 between the New York Giants and Miami Dolphins, with Miami designed the "home" team. Mark Waller, head of NFL International, said that game takes precedence, forcing the cancellation of the first China game, which now is tentatively scheduled for 2009 -- the Olympics will be held in Beijing next summer. "Our assessment is that Chinese fans would be better served if our game in China is played at a later date after we have launched our international series of regular-season games and more effectively paved the way for the introduction of our game into China," Waller said in a statement issued by the league. "As a new sport in China, it is critical that we create the best platform for the introduction of the game. We are delighted Beijing authorities have agreed with our assessment and have invited us to play in Beijing in 2009." The league is currently setting up an office in Beijing. Patriots spokesman Stacey James said the Patriots remained interested in playing a game in China. He also noted the Patriots in 2004 became the first NFL team to launch a Web site in China. The Seahawks called the cancellation a "missed opportunity." "Although we certainly understand, we are disappointed with the missed opportunity and remain interested in the future," Seahawks chief executive officer Tod Leiweke.
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IMO, there should be no NFL games played outside the U.S.
If they absolutely must, then limit that to the pre-season.
Just think, wouln't it suck if the Browns have a home game removed to play in (insert country here).
Not fair to the home teams fans.
They want to expand? Play some NFLE games in countries that don't have teams.
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Yeah, let's fly half way around the world in the middle of the season, play football in timezones 8-12 hours out of sync with our own, then fly back and play next week. We need more international fans. In fact, just include the cost of their seats in the home ticket package because fans just don't get boned enough. Oh, and I'm glad the league is finally getting around to setting up that Bejing office. I really don't understand what has taken so long. I've been saying for years, "When is the league going to set up a damn office in Bejing?" Hopefully tanks and troops can insure sell out crowds and ticket and jersey prices will go up here at home to cover all the associated costs.  
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Answer: Australia 
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Answer: Australia
Yeah because Australia has was more Browns fans than Cleveland.
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That's not the issue bro......the issue is expanding into wider markets particularly on a global scale rather than a national one......so when it comes to the fans mate you'll always play second fiddle to the dollar. Now, if they did bring the Browns to Melbourne for a regular season game it would be a truly sad day for fans in Cleveland  .....but a fantastic day for me.  Every cloud has a silver lining my friend, would you be happy for me?  
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Good.
They should be playing the games at one of the team's fields.
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Shame as I'm sure the Chinese would have loved it and would have been great PR.
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Yes I think that is truly unfair to send a team so far, play, and return, then play again the next week.
You'd almost have to provide a bye week after that game, to ensure the team recoups, or they are at a disadvantage the next week.
Our luck, they will send us to Siberia for a Monday night game, and then have us follow it up with a road game on Thursday night.
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Geography is not a strong point of mine! but is it hugely different from an east coast team playing a west coast team? With the bye week almost certainly being arranged for the week after the game, would it make that much difference to the players?
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Geography is not a strong point of mine! but is it hugely different from an east coast team playing a west coast team? With the bye week almost certainly being arranged for the week after the game, would it make that much difference to the players?
Most east coast/west coast games involve flights of less than five hours. China is more like 17 hours if there aren't any hold ups/delays. Everyone goes through Customs and the whole process. It's a major project.
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Geography is not a strong point of mine! but is it hugely different from an east coast team playing a west coast team? With the bye week almost certainly being arranged for the week after the game, would it make that much difference to the players?
Most east coast/west coast games involve flights of less than five hours. China is more like 17 hours if there aren't any hold ups/delays. Everyone goes through Customs and the whole process. It's a major project.
I was thinking more of the London game not China
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I, for one, do not think the NFL should ever play regular season games outside of the U.S.A. Period! It's not fair to the home team fans and who do you think will cover the costs of these trips??? Hm. the fans, of course!
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I'm fine with taking pre-season games out of the country, but I'm dead-set against regular season games being taken from home fans. It makes no sense and it is a slap in the face to those fans who shell out the bucks to purchase season tickets. It is just wrong, IMO.
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I can see how the home fans would be upset at any attempt to take away one of their home games. But what about the teams that don't sell out every week? I do know that the London game played at Wembley stadium could have sold out 5 times over for the Dolphins v Giants game.
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Problem 1.
A Home team loses the "Home Field Advantage" and the game is played on a "neutral site." The schedule is set to give every team an equal number of home and away games. This is important. A neutral site game throws the whole system out of sync.
Problem 2.
Home fans are screwed, and season ticket holders are really screwed. I only get to Cleveland one or two times per year for a game, and watch the other games on TV, but if I were a local fan and a season ticket holder, rather than a Southern Ohio fan, I would be pissed. Only 8 home games per year and one of them is in China ?????
If the NFL wants to play games in Europe or China, put a franchise in there....
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Attendance really isn't an issue where the NFL is concerned. I'm looking at it from the point of view of the season ticket holder (regardless of whether the team sells out every week or not). Understand, the NFL makes us pay for two meaningless pre-season games in addition to the 8 regular season games. If they take one of the regular season games away, the whole ticket package is de-valued for it, IMO. I'd much rather give up the pre-season games (which most of us don't want to pay for anyway) if the NFL wants to try to market our game abroad.
Imagine how an English football (a.k.a soccer over here) fan would react if one of their home team's regular-season games was moved to America in an attempt to broaden the game's appeal here. I wouldn't blame them for being upset (even if their team wasn't all that good). It's still their team and a game they should be able to attend.
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You all probably need to relax a little. If your objecting to games in China and Asia that's one thing since it is a very long flight. But don't paint everything with the same brush. Is there a problem with games in Mexico or Canada? No time zones issues, distances aren't any worse them they are in the contiguous states. And is the UK that much further then Hawaii for most teams? 
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AGREED!
Or play an NFLE game there. As a matter of a fact wouldn't be more cost effective to play a NFL Europe team in England? Isn't England in Europe ?
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What does Hawaii have to do with anything? How many teams are in Hawaii? Don't recall any regular season games played there. 
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AGREED!
Or play an NFLE game there. As a matter of a fact wouldn't be more cost effective to play a NFL Europe team in England? Isn't England in Europe ?
If you put a franchise in Europe/China you compound the problem of travel and timezones so at this stage it doesn't seem sensible.
NFL Europe never caught on in England, but you put a regular season game from ANY 2 teams in the NFL and I guarantee a sell out - the demand is clearly here and I will be interested to see what some tickets go for on ebay or from touts outside the game .... I wouldn't be surprised at $1,000 being the going rate on the black market, time will tell.
On another note I watch the Browns on my pc through the NFL network game pass - I cannot remember a game looking like it was a sell out? how does the ticket allocation work? why are there so many 'away' fans at CBS?
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I will be interested to see what some tickets go for on ebay or from touts outside the game .... I wouldn't be surprised at $1,000 being the going rate on the black market, time will tell.
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Yes, the home team should be playing at HOME
Alright I'll buy that argument but please don't go into time zones and jet lag and customs. If you think the home team fans and the home team would get screwed I can understand that. So if your saying that regular season "home" games should all be played in the home city that reasonable.
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What does Hawaii have to do with anything? How many teams are in Hawaii? Don't recall any regular season games played there.
You stated that "IMO, there should be no NFL games played outside the U.S." Hawaii is in the US so by extension you wouldn't object to them playing there. Or did you mean they shouldn't be played outside the continental US or outside the "home" city?
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Alright I'll buy that argument but please don't go into time zones and jet lag and customs. If you think the home team fans and the home team would get screwed I can understand that. So if your saying that regular season "home" games should all be played in the home city that reasonable.
I never mentioned ANYTHING about time zones, others did.
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You stated that "IMO, there should be no NFL games played outside the U.S." Hawaii is in the US so by extension you wouldn't object to them playing there. Or did you mean they shouldn't be played outside the continental US or outside the "home" city?
Yes, should not be played outside of the home city. No one was talking of playing a game in Hawaii anyway, where did that come from?
Besides, Hawaii gets the annual pro-bowl.
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Well what if they took the game out of both the teams' away games. 8 normal games get played at home 7 away and 1 far away. Someone acts as the "Home" team in the neutral site, but for the sake of the schedule they take it from an away. That way the fan doesn't get fully screwed over.
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Or...
They play all 8 home games at home, and all 8 of their away games at their oppenents home.
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NFL Europe never caught on in England, but you put a regular season game from ANY 2 teams in the NFL and I guarantee a sell out - the demand is clearly here and I will be interested to see what some tickets go for on ebay or from touts outside the game .... I wouldn't be surprised at $1,000 being the going rate on the black market, time will tell.
the demand is clearly not there, as NFLE never caught on.
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C'mon.....would you watch NFLE?
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You need to make a trip over for a game Riddler.
If you do, let me know. I will be sure you have a ticket lined up.
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Thanks for the offer Peen. Hospitable bunch Browns Fans.  I been before (Cards game 2003) but won't be over for at least 3 years now due to financial commitments. Looking forward to it though.
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