What we eat in America is downright terrifying . My wife jumped on the " health" food wagon several years ago and by virtue of being married to her ( and eating what she prepares) I went along with her . What is allowed into the foods that we ingest is criminal and if you do even the slightest bit of digging you will be shocked .
Quote: What we eat in America is downright terrifying . My wife jumped on the " health" food wagon several years ago and by virtue of being married to her ( and eating what she prepares) I went along with her . What is allowed into the foods that we ingest is criminal and if you do even the slightest bit of digging you will be shocked .
Food, Inc is a great starting point. I was never much into the health food aspect of things, but after watching that documentary I did a lot more research - the stuff we put into our bodies is downright scary.
I have a big problem with using the food analogy to support the discussion point.
Food has to go through the stomach and digestive system before entering the bloodstream.
A baby is not digesting substantial amounts of food before they are given the injections.
Injections bypass the natural barriers that are present and put bypass the immune system. Think about how the improperly prepared steroids resulted in fungal spinal meningitis a few months ago.
Injections of any type bypass the immune system. That is the intent. That is why I state that for a baby, with an under developed immune system, may have higher risk of unforeseen consequences.
From my understanding, there are a variety of vaccine types, all designed to create an immune response, we don't know what other types of responses may be created.
Um, you realize that most of the immune system (e.g. white blood cells) are present in the blood.
If a vaccine "bypassed" the immune system, then it wouldn't work. The idea is to get the immune system to respond, and create antibodies specific to the disease you want to fight.
The natural barriers, or the first layer of your immune system is the skin, digestive track and other bodily membranes outside of the bloodstream. They prevent bacteria sized molecules from being passed
Vaccines are of a size/and or fragile nature that would not make it into the blood stream "naturally" in tact, e.g. they would not pass through a bodily membrane, which is why they are injected.
Quote: The natural barriers, or the first layer of your immune system is the skin, digestive track and other bodily membranes outside of the bloodstream. They prevent bacteria sized molecules from being passed
Vaccines are of a size/and or fragile nature that would not make it into the blood stream "naturally" in tact, e.g. they would not pass through a bodily membrane, which is why they are injected.
So basically you are saying they are dangerous, because they are so not dangerous, that they have to be injected? As opposed to the things that are not dangerous, because they are dangerous?
Quote: What we eat in America is downright terrifying . My wife jumped on the " health" food wagon several years ago and by virtue of being married to her ( and eating what she prepares) I went along with her . What is allowed into the foods that we ingest is criminal and if you do even the slightest bit of digging you will be shocked .
Food, Inc is a great starting point. I was never much into the health food aspect of things, but after watching that documentary I did a lot more research - the stuff we put into our bodies is downright scary.
I'm in agreement with this. I don't know if I read it on this thread or in reading on the net (I'm researching a healthier diet because I have digestive autoimmune disease), but aspartame is a neurotoxin, a carcinogenic, and and lots of other horrible things. So many things have artificial sweeteners in them. So many things have preservatives in them. It blows my mind how these things get approved by the FDA. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out the chemicals in what we eat turn out to be a main driver in the autism rate. And so many other diseases.
Much of the literature on the negative aspects of aspartame is based on faulty research. Some people are sensitive and get bad headaches or allergic reactions from it, but it's not been proven to cause cancer in humans. There are some animal studies where it caused cancer when given in amounts equivalent to thousands of times of what a human would consume.
No, what I am saying is that they have the potential to be a greater risk because vaccines have to be injected into the blood stream, rather then being absorbed through the skin or passed through the digestive tract before entering the blood stream. This bypasses a bodies "first level" immune system.
So the injection contains material that create antibody responses, and may have other material that would have never made it into the blood stream naturally.
There is a risk with any injection which is why the needle is sterile. Putting anything into the bloodstream via injection has a greater risk. No different than an open wound which is exposed to the environment and has a greater risk of infection.
Thats an opinion piece, as is every other thing I read about it. But it does break down into methanol (carcinogen) and aspartic acid (neurotoxin). Probably not harmful in small amounts. But what if you guzzle diet soda all day or are hooked on sweets?
I guess in the context of this thread, I did read that aspartame is included in some vaccines.
This is somewhat unrelated ..... but then again, related as well ....... at least I think so ......
I think that a lot of health problem with kids these days is because of over cleanliness. This may sound counter-intuitive, but kids aren't exposed to germs these days. Parents freak out when they get a speck of dirt on them, and break out the instant hand sanitizer, wipes, and so on ....... wipe down every surface in the house with antiseptic wipes ... and so on. Kids never get the chance to give their immune systems a workout, and I think that this weakens the immune system.
I remember when I was a kid. We would go outside and play ..... dig in the dirt ..... run around in the grass .... eat a sandwich in the middle of playing ....... we'd sometimes get cut and just lick the cut "clean", because we didn't want to have to stop what we were doing. We'd wash up before dinner ..... but usually just washing our hands quickly.
I think that people have the best of intentions with trying to keep their children healthy, but I do think that it is the cause of some problems that kids today have. Plus, we don't even really know what effect sanitizers have on kids. It keeps them "clean", but is that level of clean the healthiest thing for kids?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Ya know, they theorize that about crohns disease. Third world countries dont typically have that disease. So now there is a clinical trial where the patients are fed pig whip worms to simulate parasites found in humans in third world countries.
Quote: I have a big problem with using the food analogy to support the discussion point.
Food has to go through the stomach and digestive system before entering the bloodstream.
A baby is not digesting substantial amounts of food before they are given the injections.
Correct. But a baby spends nine months living off the mothers blood-stream and immune system and everything they eat, breathe, are exposed to, have effects on development.
We have a lot of unnatural things in our foods, especially the prepackaged foods. it's hard to truly know what the long term affects are.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
Quote: This is somewhat unrelated ..... but then again, related as well ....... at least I think so ......
I think that a lot of health problem with kids these days is because of over cleanliness. This may sound counter-intuitive, but kids aren't exposed to germs these days. Parents freak out when they get a speck of dirt on them, and break out the instant hand sanitizer, wipes, and so on ....... wipe down every surface in the house with antiseptic wipes ... and so on. Kids never get the chance to give their immune systems a workout, and I think that this weakens the immune system.
I remember when I was a kid. We would go outside and play ..... dig in the dirt ..... run around in the grass .... eat a sandwich in the middle of playing ....... we'd sometimes get cut and just lick the cut "clean", because we didn't want to have to stop what we were doing. We'd wash up before dinner ..... but usually just washing our hands quickly.
I think that people have the best of intentions with trying to keep their children healthy, but I do think that it is the cause of some problems that kids today have. Plus, we don't even really know what effect sanitizers have on kids. It keeps them "clean", but is that level of clean the healthiest thing for kids?
I would be willing to bet less that 1/3 of the US population lives like this. Take a trip to WalMart and tell me what you see. Next time youre in Cleveland take a good look around at the people you see.
Our population as a whole has become over medicated. The first thing a doctor almost always wants to do is write a prescription. Everything from "hyper kids" to boners. Take a pill. We have no idea what some of these drugs do long term (multiple generation). I have a friend who had his kid put on retalin because he was too hyper to pay attention and was failing school. All the kid did after school was drink Mountain Dew and play XBox. No kidding, he's hyper.
Quote: This is somewhat unrelated ..... but then again, related as well ....... at least I think so ......
I think that a lot of health problem with kids these days is because of over cleanliness. This may sound counter-intuitive, but kids aren't exposed to germs these days. Parents freak out when they get a speck of dirt on them, and break out the instant hand sanitizer, wipes, and so on ....... wipe down every surface in the house with antiseptic wipes ... and so on. Kids never get the chance to give their immune systems a workout, and I think that this weakens the immune system.
I remember when I was a kid. We would go outside and play ..... dig in the dirt ..... run around in the grass .... eat a sandwich in the middle of playing ....... we'd sometimes get cut and just lick the cut "clean", because we didn't want to have to stop what we were doing. We'd wash up before dinner ..... but usually just washing our hands quickly.
I think that people have the best of intentions with trying to keep their children healthy, but I do think that it is the cause of some problems that kids today have. Plus, we don't even really know what effect sanitizers have on kids. It keeps them "clean", but is that level of clean the healthiest thing for kids?
I would be willing to bet less that 1/3 of the US population lives like this. Take a trip to WalMart and tell me what you see. Next time youre in Cleveland take a good look around at the people you see.
Possibly, but I know a lot of people like this.
We have all of these warnings about antibiotic use, because the germs become resistant ...... well, I worry that children's bodies have the opposite effect when they are "babied". I know several people whose children have asthma, for example, and they damn near slather then down with sanitizers. The number of asthma cases since the 1970s has exploded on a global basis. I am sure that part of it is more closed in houses, with less air flow, and more containment of indoor pollutants, but I have to think that there is more than just that.
I also agree with the poster after this who wrote about "hyper" kids. Many kids today eat a crap diet, high in processed sugars, and extraordinarily high in processed carbs. All of that crap has to express in one way or another, and then when all that these kids do is sit around on the computer, or playing games on the TV, then it's like a double whammy. All of that short burst energy hits their system, with no release mechanism ...... plus, then they crash, and have to fill up the tank again. I would be willing to bet that this is, at least a major part of, the problem today.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: This is somewhat unrelated ..... but then again, related as well ....... at least I think so ......
I think that a lot of health problem with kids these days is because of over cleanliness. This may sound counter-intuitive, but kids aren't exposed to germs these days. Parents freak out when they get a speck of dirt on them, and break out the instant hand sanitizer, wipes, and so on ....... wipe down every surface in the house with antiseptic wipes ... and so on. Kids never get the chance to give their immune systems a workout, and I think that this weakens the immune system.
I remember when I was a kid. We would go outside and play ..... dig in the dirt ..... run around in the grass .... eat a sandwich in the middle of playing ....... we'd sometimes get cut and just lick the cut "clean", because we didn't want to have to stop what we were doing. We'd wash up before dinner ..... but usually just washing our hands quickly.
I think that people have the best of intentions with trying to keep their children healthy, but I do think that it is the cause of some problems that kids today have. Plus, we don't even really know what effect sanitizers have on kids. It keeps them "clean", but is that level of clean the healthiest thing for kids?
I would be willing to bet less that 1/3 of the US population lives like this. Take a trip to WalMart and tell me what you see. Next time youre in Cleveland take a good look around at the people you see.
Yeah, all us Clevelanders are nasty filthy trash
But even so, go into a Cleveland school, or into Wal Mart even. I bet you see hand sanitizer stations everywhere.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
on the hyper kids angle, there is more to it than that IMO.
class rooms have changed. at my son's school, they are so focused on the "achievable results" (aka testing scores) that they do mini-tests per student throughout most days. this means that the teacher goes through each child individually testing while the other 19 kids have to sit around reading while waiting for their turn.
luckily, my kid loves to read (so much that he's warped his eyes and needs reading glasses now but that's okay with me), but many of the students sit there and are bored and 'pretend' to read while just getting antsy (my wife volunteers in the classroom a few times a week, which is why I know). I don't blame the kids for being hyper in such an environment regardless of their food intake (they want activities and stuff 'to do' not to just read most of the time).
I understand the reasons they feel they have to do it this way (with funding tied to the test scores), but I think it also ends up hurting the kids who need something more than being calm and sitting around reading most of the day.
Quote: This is somewhat unrelated ..... but then again, related as well ....... at least I think so ......
I think that a lot of health problem with kids these days is because of over cleanliness. This may sound counter-intuitive, but kids aren't exposed to germs these days. Parents freak out when they get a speck of dirt on them, and break out the instant hand sanitizer, wipes, and so on ....... wipe down every surface in the house with antiseptic wipes ... and so on. Kids never get the chance to give their immune systems a workout, and I think that this weakens the immune system.
I remember when I was a kid. We would go outside and play ..... dig in the dirt ..... run around in the grass .... eat a sandwich in the middle of playing ....... we'd sometimes get cut and just lick the cut "clean", because we didn't want to have to stop what we were doing. We'd wash up before dinner ..... but usually just washing our hands quickly.
I think that people have the best of intentions with trying to keep their children healthy, but I do think that it is the cause of some problems that kids today have. Plus, we don't even really know what effect sanitizers have on kids. It keeps them "clean", but is that level of clean the healthiest thing for kids?
I would be willing to bet less that 1/3 of the US population lives like this. Take a trip to WalMart and tell me what you see. Next time youre in Cleveland take a good look around at the people you see.
Yeah, all us Clevelanders are nasty filthy trash
But even so, go into a Cleveland school, or into Wal Mart even. I bet you see hand sanitizer stations everywhere.
KING
Thats not what I said, but if thats how you feel...I only picked Cleveland because of proximity. Any city in the country has its share of grime. I can tell you that I have been to quite a few cities in North America, and Ive only been pee'd on in 2 of them. One being Cleveland...
Quote: This is somewhat unrelated ..... but then again, related as well ....... at least I think so ......
I think that a lot of health problem with kids these days is because of over cleanliness. This may sound counter-intuitive, but kids aren't exposed to germs these days. Parents freak out when they get a speck of dirt on them, and break out the instant hand sanitizer, wipes, and so on ....... wipe down every surface in the house with antiseptic wipes ... and so on. Kids never get the chance to give their immune systems a workout, and I think that this weakens the immune system.
I remember when I was a kid. We would go outside and play ..... dig in the dirt ..... run around in the grass .... eat a sandwich in the middle of playing ....... we'd sometimes get cut and just lick the cut "clean", because we didn't want to have to stop what we were doing. We'd wash up before dinner ..... but usually just washing our hands quickly.
I think that people have the best of intentions with trying to keep their children healthy, but I do think that it is the cause of some problems that kids today have. Plus, we don't even really know what effect sanitizers have on kids. It keeps them "clean", but is that level of clean the healthiest thing for kids?
I would be willing to bet less that 1/3 of the US population lives like this. Take a trip to WalMart and tell me what you see. Next time youre in Cleveland take a good look around at the people you see.
Yeah, all us Clevelanders are nasty filthy trash
But even so, go into a Cleveland school, or into Wal Mart even. I bet you see hand sanitizer stations everywhere.
KING
Thats not what I said, but if thats how you feel...I only picked Cleveland because of proximity. Any city in the country has its share of grime. I can tell you that I have been to quite a few cities in North America, and Ive only been pee'd on in 2 of them. One being Cleveland...
Well then you just aren't trying hard enough
Ok , but the point was not about the grime in the city. It was about the grime on the people. Even in poor inner city schools, like Cleveland Public Schools, they have hand sanitizer stations all over the place. Compared to 10 years or more ago, when they didn't.
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
Most kids arent suburban rich spoiled brats with mommy hovering over them to wash and use sanitizer before they eat. Most are middle class or lower with 2 working parents, who may or may not wash before eating, and probably dont use sanitizer.
The measles outbreak in Wales may have claimed its first victim.
According to the Guardian, a 25-year-old man was found dead in his apartment in Swansea Thursday. Gareth Colfer-Williams was known to have measles at the time of his death. What’s not clear is what the actual cause of death was; he was an ill man, apparently suffering from severe asthma. We’ll know what the exact cause of death was soon enough, I imagine. But his having measles at the time is very, very suspicious, and more tests will be run next week. Either way, this tragic death has focused attention again on what’s happening in Wales. More than 800 people have been diagnosed with measles in Swansea in this recent outbreak. People are lining up to get their vaccinations, and a campaign has been started to get more people vaccinated, which is a good thing; I just hope it’s in time. But with so many people contracting the illness, serious repercussions are almost inevitable.
Wales has had low Measles/Mumps/Rubella (MMR) vaccination rates for some time … since about 1998, in fact, when Andrew Wakefield published his bogus study in the Lancet falsely linking the MMR vaccine to autism. It’s easy to lay all this misery at Wakefield’s feet, but there's plenty to go around. The Lancet should never have published it (many of the co-authors later withdrew their names from the paper). Tony Blair, then prime minister of Britain, declined to reveal whether his own son had gotten the MMR vaccine, prompting rumors it wasn’t safe. (Bizarrely, years later, Cherie Blair, Tony’s wife, said they had given their son the vaccine; how many people would’ve been spared misery had they simply stated the truth?) Newspapers printed ghastly articles linking vaccines and autism. And groups like the Australian Vaccination Network spread—and continue to spread—outright falsehoods about vaccines. Many of these groups actively support Wakefield. Measles is a terrible, terrible disease. On average about 1 in 1,000 people who contract it will die. Even those who don’t die have a terrible time of it. One in 20 children with measles gets pneumonia. One in 10 gets an ear infection. One in 1,000 gets encephalitis, which can lead to brain damage.
Yet measles can be easily prevented by getting the MMR vaccine. Andrew Wakefield can point fingers all over the place, but in the end a lot of this comes back to him. Given what we’ve learned in the years since his report was published, this wasn’t the case of honest researcher being wrong. His research was unethical; it has been called fraudulent by the British Medical Journal; and it caused Wakefield to be struck off as a doctor in the United Kingdom—like being disbarred. He stood to make multiple millions of dollars from a substitute vaccine he was working on at the time, yet that huge conflict of interest is never mentioned by him or the antivaxxers who stubbornly support him despite all the evidence.
His misdeeds still echo in the hallways of medical centers in Wales. The Australian Broadcasting Network show Lateline—which has been shining a light on antivaxxers for years, bless it—recently ran a segment about the situation in Wales.
At the two-minute mark the reporter talks to a young man whose mother decided not to vaccinate him when he was a child. She is interviewed at the 2:34 and states very clearly it was Wakefield’s research that scared her off giving her son the vaccine. She has changed her mind now, saying the research was “flawed,” and knows it’s important to get vaccinated.
Good on her. You don’t want to live to regret your decision, like this father did. Or this young mother.
But starting at 4:50, the reporter talks to a woman who thinks her son’s autism was triggered by the MMR vaccination. The woman says, “I can only tell them what I’ve seen with my own eyes. I’m not a doctor, I’m not a scientist. I can only look back on what happened to us.”
And that’s what we face. Personal anecdotes are very powerful, so powerful they can easily sway someone even when on the other side of that argument is a vast, overwhelming amount of data from people who have spent their professional lives doing the careful and exacting research.
That’s why I always talk about keeping my own vaccinations up to date, and how my daughter, now a teenager, had all her childhood vaccines, as well as the Gardasil HPV vaccination. My own personal story is one of love for my family, care for my community, and the desire to do what is right based on the best evidence available.
But the fear people have keeping them away from vaccinations, and the epidemic in Wales that is the product of that fear, that is the legacy of Wakefield in spirit or in deed. As we can see from the personal testimony of people in Swansea and the doctors who are desperately trying to help, what’s happening there is a direct descendant of his unethical actions 15 years ago.
Quote: Most kids arent suburban rich spoiled brats with mommy hovering over them to wash and use sanitizer before they eat.
Right, because that's how every family with money acts.
Quote: Most are middle class or lower with 2 working parents, who may or may not wash before eating, and probably dont use sanitizer.
I've coached youth sports, been involved in youth group at church and generally just hung out in my mostly middle class world (from upper middle to lower) with 2 working parents world and I've seen more than my share of helicopter parents who are all up in every single move their kids make from doing their homework for them to making them wear a sweatshirt when its 70 degrees to not allowing them go down the slide at the pool by themselves to not letting them pet a neighbors dog even though everybody knows its friendly to using hand sanitizer... This whole notion that lower to middle class people are somehow smarter and/or more well adjusted than wealthy people just boggles my mind...
My daughter is in the 4th grade, son in the 11th... every year the school list comes home and every year, every kid is required to take hand sanitizer and "donate" it to the class. They even tell you which kind you have to buy for the school because evidently some have perfumes or something that some kids are allergic to so you can't buy those brands... so you have 26 kids bring in a bottle of hand sanitizer in August and in December a note comes home that the class is out of certain things including hand sanitizer and they need you to donate more... it happens every year...
Quote: This is somewhat unrelated ..... but then again, related as well ....... at least I think so ......
I think that a lot of health problem with kids these days is because of over cleanliness. This may sound counter-intuitive, but kids aren't exposed to germs these days. Parents freak out when they get a speck of dirt on them, and break out the instant hand sanitizer, wipes, and so on ....... wipe down every surface in the house with antiseptic wipes ... and so on. Kids never get the chance to give their immune systems a workout, and I think that this weakens the immune system.
I remember when I was a kid. We would go outside and play ..... dig in the dirt ..... run around in the grass .... eat a sandwich in the middle of playing ....... we'd sometimes get cut and just lick the cut "clean", because we didn't want to have to stop what we were doing. We'd wash up before dinner ..... but usually just washing our hands quickly.
I think that people have the best of intentions with trying to keep their children healthy, but I do think that it is the cause of some problems that kids today have. Plus, we don't even really know what effect sanitizers have on kids. It keeps them "clean", but is that level of clean the healthiest thing for kids?
If you're familiar with the video game series Mass Effect ... I call this "Quarian's Syndrome". There is a race of aliens in that game that don't live on any specific planet and instead live on over-sanitized spaceships. As a result, their immune systems are weak, and they have to wear clean-suits everywhere they go, otherwise they get severely sick.
I went on a cruise a few months ago, and with the breakout of some flu strands, they were forcing people to use hand sanitizer before they could use the dining areas, and they were practically swabbing the decks with the stuff daily. Sure enough, the second I got off the boat, I got sick for a couple of days. I was joking with some friends that I had contracted Quarian Syndrome.
Like someone mentioned with Chrone's Disease, you can also see this simply with the drinking water. If American's go into third world countries (or even China for that mater), they can get really sick just drinking the water. Meanwhile the locals can drink it just fine.
Most kids arent suburban rich spoiled brats with mommy hovering over them to wash and use sanitizer before they eat. Most are middle class or lower with 2 working parents, who may or may not wash before eating, and probably dont use sanitizer.
More kids are using hand sanitizer, or actually not just kids, but people in general. Because they are more readily available, and their use is encouraged. Quit making dumb assumptions about whole social classes of people. Go in any school, anywhere and hand sanitizers are being used. Go in most any business, and hand sanitizers are being used. Look in most any womens purse, especially moms, and the odds are good you will find a bottle of hand sanitizer.
KING
You may be in the drivers seat but God is holding the map. #GMSTRONG
The more I think about this...the reason why third world countries don't get the diseases that developed nations do.... I'm not sure about the sanitation theory. Seems to me that third world countries tend to eat healthier. Meaning their food is grown/caught/killed locally. Their food doesn't have the chemicals in it that ours does. Just a thought.
The more I think about this...the reason why third world countries don't get the diseases that developed nations do.... I'm not sure about the sanitation theory. Seems to me that third world countries tend to eat healthier. Meaning their food is grown/caught/killed locally. Their food doesn't have the chemicals in it that ours does. Just a thought.
I don't think they have particularly lower rates of most diseases (once you account for underreporting) -- I don't really care if my kid is slightly autistic if he is dying of Malaria.
Which (non obesity related) diseases are significantly more pronounced in the US compared to say, former soviet republics (trying to account for the racial breakdown of some major diseases)
The more I think about this...the reason why third world countries don't get the diseases that developed nations do.... I'm not sure about the sanitation theory. Seems to me that third world countries tend to eat healthier. Meaning their food is grown/caught/killed locally. Their food doesn't have the chemicals in it that ours does. Just a thought.
I'd tend to go with more of a combination of all of the above. I'd say that there is definitely value in stopping the ridiculous overuse of hand sanitizer and such, just as much as I'd agree that as a nation we REALLY need to eat better. There is just soooo much crap that is called "food" and shoved into peoples faces daily... it's pretty damn gross.
Browns is the Browns
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The more I think about this...the reason why third world countries don't get the diseases that developed nations do.... I'm not sure about the sanitation theory. Seems to me that third world countries tend to eat healthier. Meaning their food is grown/caught/killed locally. Their food doesn't have the chemicals in it that ours does. Just a thought.
I don't think they have particularly lower rates of most diseases (once you account for underreporting) -- I don't really care if my kid is slightly autistic if he is dying of Malaria.
Which (non obesity related) diseases are significantly more pronounced in the US compared to say, former soviet republics (trying to account for the racial breakdown of some major diseases)
I'm mostly thinking about Crohn's Disease (I have it). It is an autoimmune disease of the digestive track. Basically your guts become ulcerated and bad things happen. It has no known cause and no cure. There have been studies stating that undeveloped nations have very low incidence of this disease, and it has been postulated that it is because they tend to have higher parasite loads in their people than we do. And now they are doing clinical trials giving people pig whip worms (harmless to humans) because it has been shown that introducing parasites to people with Crohns causes the immune system to chill out and puts the disease in remission.
I just think about how different our diets are: We eat chemicals, they eat chemical free. I don't know if the sanitation thing is the culprit.
Or like purple says, there can be multiple factors involved.
Fair enough, Crohn's disease has some hints that it is related to cleaner food. Of course, it also has a known genetic basis (both within families, and because the populations that didn't historically eat wheat (e.g. the Irish) are extremely prone).
The disease is also almost certainly under-reported in poorer countries -- with all the symptoms being easily mistakable for things like parasitic infections, or poor quality water, etc. Also, the diagnoses rate will be very small in most Asian/African countries where little wheat is consumed.
Yes, there are some patients who try a treatment called the specific carbohydrate diet, which eliminates grains and other things. Some people have success with that, and some don't.
And yes, there is a genetic predisposition. I myself have no history of crohns in my family, but some patients do.
Because there are different presentations and severity of Crohn's, they think it may be multiple diseases, and they just all affect the gut. It's a very frustrating disease because it's difficult to manage, and what works for one person doesn't work for another.
Is another reason why I'm thinking it may be food related. It's entirely possible that people have different reactions/tolerances for certain foods or chemicals.
I dunno. This is one area that hasn't been researched much for Crohn's.
Quote: What we eat in America is downright terrifying . My wife jumped on the " health" food wagon several years ago and by virtue of being married to her ( and eating what she prepares) I went along with her . What is allowed into the foods that we ingest is criminal and if you do even the slightest bit of digging you will be shocked .
Food, Inc is a great starting point. I was never much into the health food aspect of things, but after watching that documentary I did a lot more research - the stuff we put into our bodies is downright scary.
I'm in agreement with this. I don't know if I read it on this thread or in reading on the net (I'm researching a healthier diet because I have digestive autoimmune disease), but aspartame is a neurotoxin, a carcinogenic, and and lots of other horrible things. So many things have artificial sweeteners in them. So many things have preservatives in them. It blows my mind how these things get approved by the FDA. I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out the chemicals in what we eat turn out to be a main driver in the autism rate. And so many other diseases.
Artificial sweetners will not cause a kid to have autism. But the red dye in your meat, the pesticides on your foods, the GMO vegetables you eat to feel healthy most likely will.
