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Poll: 29% of Registered Voters Believe Armed Revolution Might Be Necessary in Next Few YearsMay 2, 2013 Twenty-nine percent of registered voters think that an armed revolution might be necessary in the next few years in order to protect liberties, according to a Public Mind poll by Fairleigh Dickinson University. The poll, which surveyed 863 registered voters and had a margin of error of +/-3.4, focused on both gun control and the possibility of a need for an armed revolution in the United States to protect liberty. The survey asked whether respondents agreed, disagreed, neither agreed nor disagreed or did not know or refused to respond to the statement: "In the next few years, an armed revolution might be necessary in order to protect our liberties" Twenty-nine percent said they agreed, 47 percent said they disagreed, 18 percent said they neither agreed nor disagreed, 5 percent said they were unsure, and 1 percent refused to respond. Results of the poll show that those who believe a revolution might be necessary differ greatly along party lines: • 18 percent of Democrats • 27 percent of Independents • 44 percent of Republicans The poll found that 38 percent of Americans who believe a revolution might be necessary support additional gun control legislation compared to 62 percent of those who don't think an armed revolt will be needed. Dan Cassino, a professor of political science at Fairleigh Dickinson and analyst for the poll, says: "The differences in views of gun legislation are really a function of differences in what people believe guns are for. If you truly believe an armed revolution is possible in the near future, you need weapons and you're going to be wary about government efforts to take them away." The poll was conducted nationally between April 22 and April 28, 2013.
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So a minority of voters believe they should shoot up the government to protect our liberties? 
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Sample Size, 863.. Not exactly a big sample but Ok,, I'll live with that.
Bet it would have been higher had they taken the sample in Texas.....LOL
All kidding aside, I really hope it doesn't come to that. I'd hate to see that happen. But I'd not be at all surprised if it did come to that. The problem is this, I doubt that kinda revolt would succeed.
I don't see it working!
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As much as I have to laugh at the idea of an armed revolution, the participants better arm themselves with the latest in ammo. 12 ga - 3" Uranium Drone Load - 1 3/8 oz - Tacnition - 5 Rounds Big Brother is watching, and with modern technology, if Big Brother can see it, he can turn it into a giant smoking crater with just the press of a button. Even your secret remote wilderness bunker is no match for today’s military drones. In partnership with Tacnition Ammo, Lucky Gunner is happy to introduce a new way for you to fight back against the All Seeing Eye with our new anti-drone shotgun loads. Years of research and development have gone into these highly effective 12 gauge shells that can turn even Joe Biden’s double barrel shotgun into an instant anti-aircraft platform. Specially formulated propellant is capable of launching 9 pellets of depleted uranium rounds up to 1 km straight up into the air. With accurate shot placement, this armor piercing buckshot will disable vital systems on modern military drones. At minimum, the force of impact will disable navigation systems, but in over 60% of our field tests, the drones were incapable of remaining airborne after contact with our Anti-Drone Loads. Lucky Gunner
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I agree Daman.....I think the percentage is much higher.
I'd be one of them if all the right steps have been taken.
I have said this since I was a young child.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
My feeling is if "They" can take away the "and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God" part, I can take away the " indivisible" part.
God, family, state over country is how I see it.
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As long as we have our creature comforts, it's not going to happen.
Is it possible? Likely?
Not unless things become extremely dire. And the way things are going, that may/will happen one day.
But at this, point, it's mostly just people who loathe the president spouting off.
None of them suggested revolt in responses their liberties eroding when the guy they didn't mind so much was in office.
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J/C...
Maybe, and I'm just spitballin' here, maybe more people should vote.
Crazy idea I know, but I don't remember "lifetime gig" being set in stone for anyone people can vote for.
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Sample Size, 863.. Not exactly a big sample but Ok,, I'll live with that.
Bet it would have been higher had they taken the sample in Texas.....LOL
All kidding aside, I really hope it doesn't come to that. I'd hate to see that happen. But I'd not be at all surprised if it did come to that. The problem is this, I doubt that kinda revolt would succeed.
I don't see it working!
My username is what is it is because of exactly this.
You would also be surprised how low such a number would be in Texas, although, I would not be surprised if it was growing just as it is elsewhere.
If it occurred, I rather think that Texas could probably declare independence successfully.
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I give the one-fingered salute to Big Brother. I will never say that 2+2=5.
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As long as we have our creature comforts, it's not going to happen.
Is it possible? Likely?
Not unless things become extremely dire. And the way things are going, that may/will happen one day.
I don't usually agree with you, but you make a valid point here. The question is, is the government going to be able to provide those creature comforts indefinitely? I think not....and when they're no longer able, shiite's going to hit the fan. For the posters saying that we won't stand a chance against big brother, you're making a huge assumption that the military/law enforcement would be willing to fire upon the citizenry. I think maybe on a small scale in isolated incidents that might be a possibility, but if the opposition is strong enough, I don't think they'd be willing to take up arms against the general population.
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But at this, point, it's mostly just people who loathe the president spouting off.
None of them suggested revolt in responses their liberties eroding when the guy they didn't mind so much was in office.
Times are a changin'. There's a huge and growing group of conservatives that are completely fed up with the republican party these days,
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul.
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In the sixties, the radicals were on the left.
Today they are on the right.
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
I have no time for such lunacy.... or those who foster the ideas.
We are much better than this.
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The question is, is the government going to be able to provide those creature comforts indefinitely? I think not....and when they're no longer able, shiite's going to hit the fan.
Agreed.
But I'd argue the government is only half of the equation.
Even those who don't really rely on the government to provide for them in a nanny fashion ... do you have a mortgage? Do you have a family? Do you enjoy watching the Browns on Sunday? What would it take for you to risk that?
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For the posters saying that we won't stand a chance against big brother, you're making a huge assumption that the military/law enforcement would be willing to fire upon the citizenry. I think maybe on a small scale in isolated incidents that might be a possibility, but if the opposition is strong enough, I don't think they'd be willing to take up arms against the general population.
I half-agree. I half-disagree.
You're underestimating a soldier's conditioning to follow orders (or, on a more base level, a guy just putting food on the table).
Some of the more heinous military atrocities in history were by well-meaning people doing their jobs.
In the military, morality isn't something you readily contemplate. If you did, you probably wouldn't be that good at your job.
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Times are a changin'. There's a huge and growing group of conservatives that are completely fed up with the republican party these days,
I almost left that part out because I didn't want it to be aimed at 'conservatives'.
The people who wanted to impeach Bush might not like Obama, but they're not looking to impeach him.
Americans tend to give leeway to whichever politician leans closer to their beliefs.
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Couldn't agree more. But I believe it's going to happen. The progressive left is attacking christians on a daily basis. They now want to make it a punishable crime in the military to talk about your religion or have a Bible out in the open.
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A question.
What is going to replace our constitutional democracy?
Another question.
Why now?
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I did a search for this story, using about 5 or 6 different phrases, to try and see the story you are talking about. Consistently, I found one article referenced. It was a Breitbart article, that was picked up by Fox News. A clearly partisan article that is based off an edited quote. The quote according to Breitbart: "Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense...Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis..." Breitbart succeeded in making this amended quote half a story, earning a Pentagon response. The response was: Quote:
The below is for your use on the record, attributable to me, Lt. Cmdr. Nate Christensen, a DoD Spokesman.
"The U.S. Department of Defense has never and will never single out a particular religious group for
persecution or prosecution. The Department makes reasonable accommodations for all religions and
celebrates the religious diversity of our service members.
Service members can share their faith (evangelize), but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to
convert others of any faith or no faith to one's beliefs (proselytization).
If a service member harasses another member on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, national origin, age, or
disability, then the commander takes action based on the gravity of the occurrence. Likewise, when religious
harassment complaints are reported, commanders take action based on the gravity of the occurrence on a
case by case basis.
The Department of Defense places a high value on the rights of members of the Military Services to observe
the tenets of their respective religions and respects (and supports by its policy) the rights of others to their
own religious beliefs, including the right to hold no beliefs. The Department does not endorse any one
religion or religious organization, and provides free access of religion for all members of the military services.
We work to ensure that all service members are free to exercise their Constitutional right to practice their
religion --in a manner that is respectful of other individuals' rights to follow their own belief systems; and in
ways that are conducive to good order and discipline; and that do not detract from accomplishing the
military mission."
Pentagon Press Release
Miraculously, Breitbart did not cover, to the best that I can find, the response. They did, however, start a petition drive that has over 40,000 signatures for an issue that is a non-issue.
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It makes me wonder why some people try so hard to be victims when they're not. 
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Times are a changin'. There's a huge and growing group of conservatives that are completely fed up with the republican party these days,
I agree, I think the republican party has abandoned me. (Of course, I think the democratic party is a joke as well, just better organized)
The Republican Party always seemed to be the responsible, reasonable party. The one that would bend a little but not break, the one that would make strides to better the peoples lot in life. The party that didn't give it away, but would help it's people.
This isn't the republican party that I know.
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Agreed.
But I'd argue the government is only half of the equation.
Even those who don't really rely on the government to provide for them in a nanny fashion ... do you have a mortgage? Do you have a family? Do you enjoy watching the Browns on Sunday? What would it take for you to risk that?
I have a mortgage through a bank the government took over. My child attends government funded schools with a curriculum determined by the government. I watch the Browns over the FCC controlled airwaves. I think government is more than half the equation. They've permeated about every facet of our lives. The lack of independence and freedom we actually have is striking.
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I agree Daman.....I think the percentage is much higher.
I'd be one of them if all the right steps have been taken.
I have said this since I was a young child.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
My feeling is if "They" can take away the "and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God" part, I can take away the " indivisible" part.
God, family, state over country is how I see it.
I only said it would be higher in Texas,, not overall.
I would think the majority of folks (in a much larger sample and taken across the nation) wouldn't come in much higher than 30 or so percent.
But that's not really my point, I think that it wouldn't work. Any revolution (armed) would get crushed. No way could a revolution work today.
Think about it, we have a ton of things in place to track potential terrorists. (example, look at the Boston Marathon Bombing) Those gadgets will be turned on us if we revolt.
Won't work folks.
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It seems there's a dispute about what are liberties and what are privleges.
When considering most any other country in the world there are certain liberties we have that others don't and vice versa.
Which country has significantly more liberties than the United States?
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I agree Daman.....I think the percentage is much higher.
I'd be one of them if all the right steps have been taken.
I have said this since I was a young child.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
My feeling is if "They" can take away the "and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God" part, I can take away the " indivisible" part.
God, family, state over country is how I see it.
I only said it would be higher in Texas,, not overall.
I would think the majority of folks (in a much larger sample and taken across the nation) wouldn't come in much higher than 30 or so percent.
But that's not really my point, I think that it wouldn't work. Any revolution (armed) would get crushed. No way could a revolution work today.
Think about it, we have a ton of things in place to track potential terrorists. (example, look at the Boston Marathon Bombing) Those gadgets will be turned on us if we revolt.
Won't work folks.
Depends on where the split occurs. If the military is part of the revolution its quite possible.
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Even those who don't really rely on the government to provide for them in a nanny fashion ... do you have a mortgage? Do you have a family? Do you enjoy watching the Browns on Sunday? What would it take for you to risk that?
IMO, if we have a rising up, it will start with those on assistance when we reach a point we can no longer provide for them. Then they become desperate, and self-security becomes a bigger issue as those in need start looking to take from those who have.
This would continue to build and grow as the problem becomes bigger than the authorities can handle and people become responsible for securing themselves and their familes. At which time some of us will be thankful for our 2A rights.
I really don't see an organized rebellion on Washington per se, as much as I do just a growing anarchist view and possibly marshall law scenario by those who can not provide for themselves without taking from others.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I agree Daman.....I think the percentage is much higher.
I'd be one of them if all the right steps have been taken.
I have said this since I was a young child.
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
My feeling is if "They" can take away the "and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God" part, I can take away the " indivisible" part.
God, family, state over country is how I see it.
I only said it would be higher in Texas,, not overall.
I would think the majority of folks (in a much larger sample and taken across the nation) wouldn't come in much higher than 30 or so percent.
But that's not really my point, I think that it wouldn't work. Any revolution (armed) would get crushed. No way could a revolution work today.
Think about it, we have a ton of things in place to track potential terrorists. (example, look at the Boston Marathon Bombing) Those gadgets will be turned on us if we revolt.
Won't work folks.
Depends on where the split occurs. If the military is part of the revolution its quite possible.
Sorry Arps, maybe it's because it's early, but I'm not sure I know what you mean? Wanna help me out.
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The people who wanted to impeach Bush might not like Obama, but they're not looking to impeach him.
Americans tend to give leeway to whichever politician leans closer to their beliefs.
I thought you said they were all the same? 
More to the point...
First, I don't see it happening "in a few years"... I do see it happening, but barring some global economic meltdown, it's not going to be that soon.
Second, people assume that for the revolution to be effective that the people have to "win" in the standard military fashion and that's not the case. They just have to persist and inflict enough damage... it can be won by attrition. The scarier part for me isn't the fighting or any of that, from a long term perspective, the scary part is what kind of government would be installed in its place, who could the people get behind to establish and lead such a government?
The funny part is going to be the players... as I see it you are going to have two divergent groups of people fighting side by side for different reasons... I don't see it happening until the government can no longer keep enough people fed and sheltered... at that point you will have those on the right fighting for their freedoms such as guns, etc and you will have the poor joining the fight because they are no longer being taken care of... they will be fighting the same enemy for completely different reasons.
From a purely tactical standpoint, I think what some people are forgetting when they mention not being able to defeat the government with its drones and weapons is international support. On which side would the Chinese, the Russians, etc fall? The people or our bankrupt government? The moment the people built up any kind of momentum in such a conflict, I could see them getting a bunch of international "help"... Then back to my other point about who would lead our government, would it be some form of puppet government as established by those who helped the people?
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An armed revolution would be possible if it was the military and the citizens that rebeled against the government. If it was just citizens against the military and govt, I agree...no way
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Sorry, Im not good at transferring my thoughts to text
That's where the tipping point is, and I, and probably most, believe it would not be long into a conflict that the majority of enlisted men and women would choose the citizen side, as that is their families, friends. If your boss told you to go home and kill your family, your going to quit your job.
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Sorry, Im not good at transferring my thoughts to text
I don't think "the military" is going to act as one unified entity... if it really comes down to violence in the street, the military is going to be just as split as everybody else.
But I will go back to my previous comment.. let's say that this whole thing happened, hypothetically... and let's say the American people prevailed... who then will we pick to establish and run the new government? People act like just because the people might throw out the 500 bozos that are currently in Washington that things automatically get better.... well that's what every country that has overthrown their government thought... and most were wrong.
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You are drawing sharp dividing lines where none will exist.
If Texas were to secede, what do you think that most of "the military" which happens to be based in Texas would do?
The Texas National Guard is a major military force, SFAIK it would rank in the top 20 as a separate nation.
IMO, what would happen would be a "balkanization" with the US breaking up into several different regions. The original "government" would likely hold most major population centers, particularly on the East Coast. The rebels would let them have them. California would likely separate because of it's agricultural resources, it is self-sustaining.
When New York City stops receiving food from the most of the rest of the "nation", would you want to be running it?
The central government would institute martial law and become a totalitarian state, which would collapse under the weight of it's non-productive citizens. It might, or might not, be able to crush or severely damage the rebel areas due to them being divided and unable to work together.
I think we have less than twenty years, maybe a lot less.
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29 percent of registered voters have been reading way too much Ayn Rand.
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IDK, my bigger fear would be that if a revolution started and our military was split and scattered some other country would roll in and take over.
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I think the more important number than the 29% is the 53%... because only 47% said it won't happen, the others either think it will or are holding out the possibility that it might....
If I had to vote I would have had to select the "refuse to comment" option.. because I have a government clearance that needs renewed and one of the first questions is "Have you ever been part of or supported an organization whose goal was to overthrow the United States Government."
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We have half the country paying taxes to support the other half that wants more benefits. Our government is only listening to the 'I want more' crowd. It looks like we have huge problems in our country right now. Long gone are the days of, 'Ask not what your country can do for you'.
Our government can have a total change of elected people in just 6 short years. We have to get the professional politicians out of office, as corruption is rife within their group. If we don't, the country will collapse, and the revolution will be upon us, if we want it or not.
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I think the more important number than the 29% is the 53%...
I think the most important number is 863, which is the number of people surveyed.
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There's nobody that has the transport capacity to really do it in a major way, although that could actually be a good thing in the long run as it would unite the separate factions like nothing else could.
The Canadians wouldn't try and the Mexicans would have to get through Texas.
IMO the problems will be internal rather than external. Most of the rest of the world will watch us wither on the vine and they'll do business with whoever they can.
Somebody could pop off a nuke or even worse, an EMP and then it could get really, really ugly.
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When New York City stops receiving food from the most of the rest of the "nation", would you want to be running it?
NY would just buy the food from someplace else.. What would Texas do for customers.
Do you really believe with all your heart that in an armed confrontation with US Military forces, that the Texas National Guard would stand a chance.
Get Real Nelson..
Now, take 20 or so states banding together, now your talking about a fight. But one state,, and I don't give a damn which one, forget about it.
I also don't see Americans turning on other Americans.
Personally, I'm not ever going to take up arms against my fellow Americans.. Are you saying that if I disagree with your beliefs that you would shoot me?
Like I said, there isn't any way in the world an armed revolt would work for those revolting.
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The concept was that the US would break into smaller regions, maybe 5 or 6, and Texas, as large as it is, could constitute a region all on it's own.
They wouldn't be going againts the entire US military, they would be going against a regional force from their bordering sectors, who may or may not ally with them.
NY buying food from Texas is great, but texas would have to have a way to get it there, which would mean most likely crossing hostile territory.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Personally, I'm not ever going to take up arms against my fellow Americans.. Are you saying that if I disagree with your beliefs that you would shoot me?
Even if there were people trying to steal what food and supplies you had and the stores were empty?
It seems like there are 2 different discussions going on. People vs Govt and People Vs People.
I believe the People vs People has already started, just most middle class people dont see. Im certainly not suggesting that we are at war, but if you think there arent people out there willing to hurt you just to take what you have and they want you are wrong.
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j/c
So, there's a lot of talk about what might happen and when...
but what is the actual, concrete right or freedom that is so impinged that you'd be willing to risk your life or kill others to hope to improve?
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When New York City stops receiving food from the most of the rest of the "nation", would you want to be running it?
Ididn't realize this was the case.
Are you sure it isn't the Red states receiving most of the entitlements?
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When New York City stops receiving food from the most of the rest of the "nation", would you want to be running it?
Ididn't realize this was the case.
Are you sure it isn't the Red states receiving most of the entitlements?
He's not talking about entitlements, he's talking about food production and distribution...
When the government can no longer subsidize the food and places like NY have 2 choices, produce it yourself or pay 3x what it costs now per ear of corn or pound of beef, what are they going to do?
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