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Cleveland Browns Football News - NFL Coverage - cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com/browns/team/1367889935-900-952/former-browns-gm-tom-heckert.htmlFormer Browns GM Tom Heckert joining Broncos as personnel executive, league source says Former Browns general manager Tom Heckert is joining the Denver Broncos as a personnel executive, league sources told the Plain Dealer today. Heckert, who spent the past three seasons in Cleveland, was fired after the season along with coach Pat Shurmur. He had other opportunities after the season, including a chance to interview with the New York Jets, but waited for the right job, the source said. Heckert told the Plain Dealer the day he was fired that he knew he was gone when CEO Joe Banner was hired by new Browns owner Jimmy Haslam in October. Heckert worked for Banner in Philadelphia and felt Banner would want to bring in his own people. Banner hired Mike LOmbardi as his general manager and former Chiefs personnel executive Ray Farmer as assistant GM. Heckert, who's heading into his 23rd season, was a fan favorite in Cleveland for stocking the team with quality starters such as Joe Haden, T.J. Ward, Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard, Jason Pinkston, Shawn Lauvao, Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Mitchell Schwartz, Greg Little and Mitchell Schwartz. Heckert was hired by former Browns President Mike Holmgren in 2010 after spending nine seasons with the Eagles and ten with the Dolphins. During his tenure with the Eagles, the team drafted or acquired 10 players who would go on to earn Pro Bowl status. Over the course of his 22 NFL seasons, teams he's worked for have experienced 14 winning seasons, eight division titles and 14 postseason trips, including six Conference Championship games and a Super Bowl. In Denver, Heckert joins a team that went 13-3 in 2012 with Peyton Manning at quarterback, and lost in the divisional round to the eventual Super Bowl champion Ravens. He'll work for former Broncos quarterback John Elway, Executive Vice President of Football Operations.
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Dolphinsas? Mitchel Schwartz twice? Hastily written article.
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"Dolphinsas" was mine, unfortunately ..... so that was "hastily written" by me. (and is now corrected)
It seems that Schwartz was missed by the writer of the article, and editor both.
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So, he's going to the Denver Dolphins?
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Oh man ....... I'm going to blame this one on the pain meds that I took at 10 ......  If it makes anyone feel better, just put my picture next to the definition of moron in the dictionary for today.  
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Makes me wonder a bit on Heckert's take on Weeden vs. Osweiler last draft.
I loved all of Heckerts drafts..perhaps not last season I thought both Richardson and Weeden were severe blunders. But Hughes and Winn seem to have worked out nicely.
Probably my favorite GM for the Browns thus far. I will be excited to see what he does in Denver. Shame he ended up on a historical rival though.
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+1 I liked him. He did pretty good for us imo. We could even luck out with Weeded and he looks Brilliant. Good situation there for him as I imagine Elway won"t be long for being in charge. Broncos win a SB and I'd bet he retires.
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He didn't do a bad job in Cleveland so he definitely deserves it.
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I liked him as well. Remains to be seen if he was replaced or not as to effectiveness going forward. I wish him luck. True, the jury is out, but they are getting anxious to see results beyond "Well, we practiced really well this week." That little observation has been the kiss of death. Keep battling, but win a few more, huh? Thanks for the work, Heck. 
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j/c Jim Millar on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday, paid a nice compliment when he said that the previous regime had done a very good job in bringing in new personnel...
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A few things: --What exactly is a Personnel Executive? --The article says he had other opportunities, including a chance to interview w/the Jets. That was his best opportunity? --I guess this blows the argument that he wanted to take a year off. --Like I have said before, the guy wasn't terrible, but he is so overrated by people on the boards. He made some good picks, made some terrible picks, found a couple of good undrafted FAs in Robertson and Fort, reached for too many picks, and absolutely bombed in free agency. Three years in and our win total never improved. Meanwhile, a Seattle team that was just as devoid of talent and had the same record is now among the league's best in the same time period.
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His biggest mistake was drafting Weeds in the first round. That right there was a firable (is that a word?) offense. I suppose others would say it was his failure to secure the trade for RGIII. (But then we'd have a qb with 2 ACL's and have the Courtney Brown equivalent at QB- so i don't fault that one as much as some).
He brought us talent. And all things concidered I wanted the guy to stay. He will land on his feet just fine in Denver and be a GM in this league again.
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A few things:
--What exactly is a Personnel Executive?
--The article says he had other opportunities, including a chance to interview w/the Jets. That was his best opportunity?
--I guess this blows the argument that he wanted to take a year off.
--Like I have said before, the guy wasn't terrible, but he is so overrated by people on the boards. He made some good picks, made some terrible picks, found a couple of good undrafted FAs in Robertson and Fort, reached for too many picks, and absolutely bombed in free agency. Three years in and our win total never improved. Meanwhile, a Seattle team that was just as devoid of talent and had the same record is now among the league's best in the same time period.
Did he bomb in free agency or was he being told by his superior to not spend?
I thought the guy was good. Not great, but had the thing going in the right direction.
As it stands right now, the Weeden pick wasn't good. Even though we don't really know the whole story, but I just hope it wasn't a panicked pick because their guy wasn't available at 22.
That's why I was more than OK with our draft this year. They clearly got the guy they wanted early, that's why I don't care about some trade down scenario where we get another 2. I'd rather get the guy we want at 1, then have to reach because we're 10 spots back, but we get an extra pick in the second round. No thanks.
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Guess everyone can speculate what really went down between Holmgren and Heckert as it pertains to Griffin, Richardson, and Weeden.
The rest of the players both in free agency and the draft were most likely Heckert.
At the end of the day what difference does it make now?
Holmgren and Heckert failed the primary mission. Secure a true franchise quarterback.
Even the most optimistic supporters of Weeden have to admit at best he is still a big question.
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As it stands right now, the Weeden pick wasn't good. Even though we don't really know the whole story, but I just hope it wasn't a panicked pick because their guy wasn't available at 22.
That's what they said happened. "So, we figured... rather than just risk it {take him with their next pick}, let's just go ahead and take him"
Again, here's an article with him admitting that Wright was their target at 22. Why they thought he would make it there is beyond me.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82...wright-at-no-22
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Even the most optimistic supporters of Weeden have to admit at best he is still a big question.
Big time.
I'm just glad that he's going to have every opportunity to be the guy this year. Chud and Norv are guys that know offense, they know balance, and they have worked with QB's with similar skillsets. If he fails, that's on him, and we can move on with ease.
I do think he's got a chance to be good.
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Schwartz really saved that draft. He has turned out great for a 2nd round tackle. If taking weeden at 22 meant we got schwartz at (37? 39?) it seems like a pretty good deal. And their target Kendall Wright didn't do so well last season anyways.
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A few things:
--What exactly is a Personnel Executive?
--The article says he had other opportunities, including a chance to interview w/the Jets. That was his best opportunity?
--I guess this blows the argument that he wanted to take a year off.
--Like I have said before, the guy wasn't terrible, but he is so overrated by people on the boards. He made some good picks, made some terrible picks, found a couple of good undrafted FAs in Robertson and Fort, reached for too many picks, and absolutely bombed in free agency. Three years in and our win total never improved. Meanwhile, a Seattle team that was just as devoid of talent and had the same record is now among the league's best in the same time period.
Did he bomb in free agency or was he being told by his superior to not spend?
I thought the guy was good. Not great, but had the thing going in the right direction.
As it stands right now, the Weeden pick wasn't good. Even though we don't really know the whole story, but I just hope it wasn't a panicked pick because their guy wasn't available at 22.
That's why I was more than OK with our draft this year. They clearly got the guy they wanted early, that's why I don't care about some trade down scenario where we get another 2. I'd rather get the guy we want at 1, then have to reach because we're 10 spots back, but we get an extra pick in the second round. No thanks.
Can't win when you don't let your work pay off.
I'd say that about sums it up, but on the "good but not great" thing, I will say this - he was the best we've had to date. He definitely had this roster going in the right direction which is why I was definitely upset that he was let go.
On the Win/Loss record.... I won't go there. It isn't the GM's job to win games, that's the coaches job... otherwise, we'd have GM's directing the players on the field. The GM's job is to give the coaches something to work with. You could argue that if the coach isn't getting it done, then the GM should get a new coach, but in our situation here with Walrus, I don't think that would have been permitted.
To address the "Personnel Executive" title, because I too thought it a little funny, my guess is that it is a contractual language thing. He was the GM here, he was under contract and summarily released. He may not be permitted to take another "GM" job for the time period remaining on that contract (which he *may* still be getting paid on, and if he did take another "GM" position, it may stop that pay), and so such an ambiguous title would just be a cheap and easy workaround that language. He gets a new gig, a new paycheck, and still would get to collect on the old. I have absolutely nothing to back that up in any way, but I believe it to be the simplest, most straight-forward explanation.
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Yeah, you can't put the W/L on Heckert, I put it on Holmgren more than anyone, even more than Shurmur, because Shurmur should have never gotten this job. He wasn't qualified and Holmgren never even did a legitimate search. Again with the new regime, I know it's early and it's always roses early, but at least this new group did the leg work. I really think all the interviews they did were legitimate.
Pat screwed up many games for us in 2 years. Maybe the worst coaching hire in Browns history.
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http://www.milehighreport.com/2013/5/6/4306980/ex-browns-gm-tom-heckert-joins-broncos-staffThe rich get richer. In this case that saying applies most directly to the Denver Broncos. Former Cleveland Browns and Philadelphia Eagles general manager Tom Heckert, Jr. has been hired as Director of Pro Personnel, the NFL Network's Albert Breer reports: Keith Kidd, a hire from the Josh McDaniels era in 2009, served as Director of Pro Personnel for the Broncos for four years. News broke last week that Kidd's contract was not being renewed. Heckert has an extensive NFL pedigree and at least seemed to be in demand after being fired by the Browns. Andy Reid was said to want Heckert, to replace Scott Pioli. Heckert was also apparently wanted by the New York Jets (but Heckert canceled his interview). Quick hits on Heckert: Ten years with the Miami Dolphins (1991-2000), nine as both a pro and college scout. Promoted to Pro Personnel in 2000. Director of Player Personnel 2001-02 with the Philadelphia Eagles, before being promoted to Vice President of Player Personnel in 2003. Over the course of five years he helped Reid assemble a team that went to four straight NFC Championship Games (2001-04) and one Super Bowl. Promoted to General Manager in 2006 with the Eagles, by 2009 13 of the 22 starters in Philadelphia were Heckert draft picks. In 2010 he became the General Manager of the Cleveland Browns, despite minor successes in Cleveland, former team president Mike Holmgren received most of the attribution. With the Browns Heckert helped to draft Joe Haden, T.J. Ward, Josh Gordon, Greg Little, Travis Benjamin, Trent Richardson, Phil Taylor and Brandon Weeden. In an offseason that has seen many great signings for the Broncos, this may be the definitive one in assuring Denver's long successful future.
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Well, there goes my contractual language theory, but at least we know that there is a "normal" title involved.
Good luck to him.
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Great spot for him, when you're with the team that has Peyton Manning, the pressure cools a bit. It's when you're with a franchise that averages 4-6 wins every year that you're being grilled about every little thing (at least from the outside)
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--What exactly is a Personnel Executive?
Not going to get into the quality of service with us deadbate.
But possibly Director of Pro Personnel what NFL Network just stated as his title. Is what was needed for him to continue getting his GM guarantee salaried from the Browns.
He is replacing the guy "KIDD" who as was explained to Mac...now is the time that that part of the FO (scouts et al) have their fiscal contractual terminate - he had a similar title n they did not renew his contract.
Was given the Chiefs job but Heckert knew Reid would have final say.
Jets did ask him to interview...he declined.
But both KC n Jets might have been for the title GM n what he got now has him still collecting???
Don't know for sure.
Just will always Thank Heckert for the opportunity of the new guys to Build this thing correctly! So far so good!
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Three years in and our win total never improved. Meanwhile, a Seattle team that was just as devoid of talent and had the same record is now among the league's best in the same time period.
They found 2 things we didn't find.. a coach and a QB...
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Great spot for him, when you're with the team that has Peyton Manning, the pressure cools a bit. It's when you're with a franchise that averages 4-6 wins every year that you're being grilled about every little thing (at least from the outside)
It cools a bit, but Peyton isn't getting any younger. They're going to have to find a new QB soon.
The good news for him is that as Director of Pro Personnel, that won't likely be his job to worry about.
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And you bring in a young kid who gets to learn for a year or 2 under a future HoF QB.
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They already did that. In last years draft.
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Good luck to him! Best wishes Tom!
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They already did that. In last years draft.
i am praying you are talking about Denver and not Cleveland...
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They already did that. In last years draft.
i am praying you are talking about Denver and not Cleveland...
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The Seahawks may have found a coach but the jury is still out on the QB. Defenses now have game film on Russell Wilson and Colin Kaepernick. In my opinion, these QBs will be successful in 2013 because of the overall team built around them.
As far as the salary cap...the Browns have been $20-30M under the salary cap for at least 3 years. Each regime says they are going to field a competitive team, but we see where that has gotten us. I'm tired of taking advantage of and blatantly lied to! The truth is Lerner & now Haslam are pocketing that cap space to boost their profits while we unconditionally support this team.
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