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WHY NOT MAKE ALL FEMALES WEAR BERKAS? I find this very disturbing. I can see making sure girls don't wear revealing clothes, but until they make the boys pull their damn pants up... leave the girls alone.
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Haha, probably.
As far as competing for male attention goes, I don't know about that. My friend never mentioned a competition, only that when a woman talks about her "cute" shoes, she's not referring to what a man will think of them. In fact, if a man ever actually tells her her shoes are cute, she will probably first be suspicious of his sexual orientation. The "cute" shoes are worn primarily for the approval of other women. IDK, that's what she told me. Makes sense.
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You know the ladies on the forum are just PMing back and forth with "These guys, think they got it all figure out, what maroons".
God I hope not. I'm far from having it figured out. I have some strong opinions on what I think is going on but I'd certainly love to hear from anybody with more/different experiences. There are a number of different things in play here and what effect each has on this is extremely hard to figure out.
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WHY NOT MAKE ALL FEMALES WEAR BERKAS? I find this very disturbing.
Even for a slippery slope guy like me.. the next step from dressing like a hooker isn't to make every girl wear a burka.
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Most schools and even some towns have already done that.
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It was SC Justice Potter Stewart who said of pornograph, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that." I feel like that with what constitutes decent vs obscene dresses. I can't really put into words what it means but I know it when I see it. I have no problem with strapless dresses per se... but some wear different than others. And unfortunately we live in a black/white, all things equal society, where using your judgement is frowned upon so you can't tell one girl that hers is ok and another girl that hers is not... which is why we end up with blanket rules like that. However I can say, that having gone to 3 or 4 proms myself in the early 80s.. (1 I have no idea what my dates wore  ) but two, some of the prom dresses I see today would most certainly have been not allowed.
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You know the ladies on the forum are just PMing back and forth with "These guys, think they got it all figure out, what maroons".
God I hope not. I'm far from having it figured out. I have some strong opinions on what I think is going on but I'd certainly love to hear from anybody with more/different experiences. There are a number of different things in play here and what effect each has on this is extremely hard to figure out.
LOL When someone writes a book completely and definitively explaining women, I'll be the first in line, credit card in hand.
I might even get 2 copies, in case I lose the first one. 
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You know the ladies on the forum are just PMing back and forth with "These guys, think they got it all figure out, what maroons".
God I hope not. I'm far from having it figured out. I have some strong opinions on what I think is going on but I'd certainly love to hear from anybody with more/different experiences. There are a number of different things in play here and what effect each has on this is extremely hard to figure out.
LOL When someone writes a book completely and definitively explaining women, I'll be the first in line, credit card in hand.
I might even get 2 copies, in case I lose the first one.
No, you'll be the second,, I'm sure I can get there before you..
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You know the ladies on the forum are just PMing back and forth with "These guys, think they got it all figure out, what maroons".
God I hope not. I'm far from having it figured out. I have some strong opinions on what I think is going on but I'd certainly love to hear from anybody with more/different experiences. There are a number of different things in play here and what effect each has on this is extremely hard to figure out.
LOL When someone writes a book completely and definitively explaining women, I'll be the first in line, credit card in hand.
I might even get 2 copies, in case I lose the first one.
Impossible. By the time the book was finished being written, all the rules would've changed anyway. The book would be classified as fiction (maybe even science fiction)
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I might even get 2 copies, in case I lose the first one.
Understanding Women Volume 1 of 10
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It wouldn't work as a book, it would have to be a magazine or a constantly updated website.
In all seriousness, I gave up trying to "understand women" a long time ago but as the father of a 9 year old girl... I am desperately trying to stay plugged in to what girls are doing/thinking and what is influencing them because she is closer than I would like to admit to being put in these situations where she has to decide what to wear, how to act, what pressures will be put on her, etc...  I'm not looking forward to it.
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Crap! So now that I'm married, I have to get rid of my stripper heels and crotch length miniskirts?
And, so does GM.
nope i still wear mine when i go to babes house
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Most schools and even some towns have already done that.
and even some shopping malls. remember the Dez Bryant story?
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No but, she should be aware that there may be boys present without the control, so they should be prepared to deal with it, whether that's self-defense knowledge,
Believe me, I get your point and I'm not meaning to be obstinate, but going to a dance or a party with people you know is not the same as walking alone at night through a rough neighborhood.
Why is it that females should EXPECT guys to react?
And please believe that I do know there are girls who want a boy to react, but it seems that the boys usually getting a free pass.
"Boys will be boys", "she was asking for it".
And I'm not trying to make anybody feel guilty or take blame either.
What I'm doing a poor job of getting at is why do we allow or enable our culture to place expectations on girls while simultaneously encouraging boys to "get to first base"...etc.
And again I'm not trying to have a blame placed I just think it's an interesting paradox we have put ourselves in.
I also believe the burden on boys to score with girls is a little unfair too, especially when these behaviors often lead to significant problems.
How can we change expectations on our kids?
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I might even get 2 copies, in case I lose the first one.
Understanding Women Volume 1 of 10
For a second I thought this a pic of binders full of women. 
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Crap! So now that I'm married, I have to get rid of my stripper heels and crotch length miniskirts? So not fair!
Hey, you got married- not buried...
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No but, she should be aware that there may be boys present without the control, so they should be prepared to deal with it, whether that's self-defense knowledge,
Believe me, I get your point and I'm not meaning to be obstinate, but going to a dance or a party with people you know is not the same as walking alone at night through a rough neighborhood.
My point wasn't that they shouldn't but they are well aware of the possible scenarios, and should be prepared. Doesn't matter if they wear a Burka, a swimsuit or bubble wrap. You should always be aware that someone will have an opinion, and some act on them. Doesn't mean they are wrong or at fault for dressing a certain way, but it is no secret that men/boys find women attractive, and it is no secret certain outfits will garner more attention than others So be prepared to deal with those few who don't understand control.
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Um, because it is human nature? People are attracted to people in different ways for different reasons. Again, no secret.
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"Boys will be boys", "she was asking for it".
I never said that. I never placed the blame on the girl, just pointed again, and I will repeat that we ALL do things that will gain attention from others. Doing so means you should be aware of possible responses. To not be is being naive and foolish.
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And I'm not trying to make anybody feel guilty or take blame either.
What I'm doing a poor job of getting at is why do we allow or enable our culture to place expectations on girls while simultaneously encouraging boys to "get to first base"...etc.
And again I'm not trying to have a blame placed I just think it's an interesting paradox we have put ourselves in.
I also believe the burden on boys to score with girls is a little unfair too, especially when these behaviors often lead to significant problems.
And burden is on the girls to dress to impress, "especially when these behaviors often lead to significant problems."
See it is both sides, not one.
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Changing culture is difficult to do, especially parents do very little to teach their children proper societal behavior.
In summary, be responsible for yourself, and be prepared.
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nope i still wear mine when i go to babes house
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Believe me, I get your point and I'm not meaning to be obstinate, but going to a dance or a party with people you know is not the same as walking alone at night through a rough neighborhood.
No it is not. Wherever you go, be aware of your surroundings.. going to a prom, where there is likely to be alcohol still needs to be considered.
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Because thousands of years of human history tells us that some will react inappropriately. Blame society, stomp your feet, shout that its not right.. none of that changes that it happens. And if we've learned anything from some recent events, it's not always the dingy guy with his hood pulled over his head waiting in alley that is capable of taking advantage of a young girl in the right circumstance... date rape is an ever increasing problem...
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"Boys will be boys", "she was asking for it".
A crude comment, a whistle, those are boys being boys... inappropriate contact, persisting past the first NO, or heaven forbid, rape... and you won't find many who use the boys will be boys excuse.
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I would never encourage my son to do something that I wouldn't accept being done to my daughter.
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When you write this book, put it right next to the guide to understanding women.
A big part of the problem as I see it is that we have a cultural divide... we have parents who, for the most part, encourage kids to wait (if not abstain all together), and try to pass on their own morality as it relates to sex... then we have a culture that glorifies it in movies, music, advertisements, magazines, tv shows (even ones geared toward kids)...
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Hey Babe Clem wants you to PM him those photo's you have of me.
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Just a general comment:
Whether we like it or not, people do react to us based on how we are dressed.
A guy coated in dirt, wearing cut off jeans and a tank top, coated in sweat will get a different reaction than a guy in a sharp suit and tie. A guy in jeans and a nice shirt gets a different reaction than a guy with his pants hanging down and his ass hanging out. A muscular guy in a tight t-shirt gets a different reaction than a morbidly obese fat guy in a skin tight t-shirt showing off his rolls.
It is the same when seeing how women are dressed .... how they present themselves to the world. That woman over there looks nice ...... that other woman must work out all the time ...... she's a slob ....... Ugh, how could she wear that ......? That woman has no business wearing that type of clothing ..... that other woman is dressed like she's 30 years younger than she is ....... and yes, if a girl is wearing a see through top and a micro mini skirt, she elicits another reaction. People can say that it's unfair ..... but if a woman is dressed in a "slutty" manner, she is more likely to elicit a like reaction. It may not be "fair", but it is true. She doesn't "ask for it", but she does create an environment around herself that attracts a certain type of attention.If she presents herself in a lewd manner, she is more likely to get a lewd reaction. If a man sees a woman in a well fitted, knee length shirt, and a nice top .... and a woman dressed in a skimpy top and a micro mini skirt, which woman is seen as "easier"? (fair or not) Which woman is more likely to attract lewd attention? I bet that in at least 8 times out of every 10, it's the woman dressed in the more provocative manner.
The woman isn't "asking for it", but she shouldn't be surprised if she presents herself to the world in a sexually provocative manner, and some men react in a sexual manner to her. (especially if they are in an environment where liquor is present and abundant)
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It should be the parents job to make sure their kids don't come to school dressed like whores and thugs. I've got mixed feelings about school dress codes....unless they're very specific as to what's permitted and what's not. As we can see from these articles....judgment calls do not work.
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I have come around to the idea that school uniforms are a good thing.
The Youngstown City Schools have gone to a fairly strict dress code, and I think that it has worked well for them. The kids I had working for me never complained about the dress code. They just wore what they were supposed to wear. I think that it helped them when they had to follow a dress code for work as well. They knew that there were no exceptions.
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The rush at the consignment store to own those puppies is going to make the evening news.
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No but, she should be aware that there may be boys present without the control, so they should be prepared to deal with it, whether that's self-defense knowledge,
Believe me, I get your point and I'm not meaning to be obstinate, but going to a dance or a party with people you know is not the same as walking alone at night through a rough neighborhood.
My point wasn't that they shouldn't but they are well aware of the possible scenarios, and should be prepared. Doesn't matter if they wear a Burka, a swimsuit or bubble wrap. You should always be aware that someone will have an opinion, and some act on them. Doesn't mean they are wrong or at fault for dressing a certain way, but it is no secret that men/boys find women attractive, and it is no secret certain outfits will garner more attention than others So be prepared to deal with those few who don't understand control.
But we're still focused on her responsibility. If she wants to be included in the latest fashions she should be prepared to get unwanted attention because boys can't help themselves?
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Um, because it is human nature? People are attracted to people in different ways for different reasons. Again, no secret.
Um, exactly what I'm talking about it's her human nature to be physically attractive, but she's being told if she does guys wont be able to control themselves.
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And please believe that I do know there are girls who want a boy to react, but it seems that the boys usually getting a free pass.
"Boys will be boys", "she was asking for it".
I never said that. I never placed the blame on the girl, just pointed again, and I will repeat that we ALL do things that will gain attention from others. Doing so means you should be aware of possible responses. To not be is being naive and foolish.
Well youth is all about being naïve and foolish, but don't you think boys are encouraged to be that more than girls. Girls are being told to be on guard because boys can't help themselves.
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And I'm not trying to make anybody feel guilty or take blame either.
What I'm doing a poor job of getting at is why do we allow or enable our culture to place expectations on girls while simultaneously encouraging boys to "get to first base"...etc.
And again I'm not trying to have a blame placed I just think it's an interesting paradox we have put ourselves in.
I also believe the burden on boys to score with girls is a little unfair too, especially when these behaviors often lead to significant problems.
And burden is on the girls to dress to impress, "especially when these behaviors often lead to significant problems."
See it is both sides, not one.
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Changing culture is difficult to do, especially parents do very little to teach their children proper societal behavior.
In summary, be responsible for yourself, and be prepared.
Yea I know culture is hard to change, but I'm asking who has the most responsibility to be prepared?
These girls and most are told it's them.
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I know this will become another conspiracy theory, but how many times have you heard a muslim civilization say something like, the women have to cover up as it's distracting to the men? Islamists are all about enforced morality.
Nawl, not really. At least no Muslims that I know. Maybe if we're reading the Quran to make them out to be evil, but we can do that with any theology book. Heck, I even know a good amount of muslim women who wear yoga pants. Because, uh, they look great and are comfortable (Don't know from first hand, but that's what I hear).
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"Slut-Shaming???" What the hell is that....Well, according to Wikipedia: Quote:
Slut-Shaming is defined as the act of making a woman feel guilty or inferior for engaging in certain sexual behaviors that deviate from traditional, or orthodox, gender expectations.[1][2]
It is also used as a form of victim blaming for rape and sexual assault, such as claiming the crime was caused (either in part or in full) due the woman wearing revealing clothing or previously acting in a forward, sexual manner before not consenting to sex.[3]
Well, upon checking out the definition, I can say with certainty, that, in our mainstream culture, we have a bit of a dilemma on our hands with regard to our...uhhh...sexual mores.
Women should definitely be able to dress however they choose, I don't believe that anyone really has that big of a problem with that. I certainly have no real issue with what they decide to show, not show, etc.
But we do have a problem today with "women-girls." In today's culture, the modern American female teenager has become a weird amalgamation of female sexuality and child-like innocence, as in, they have the sexual desires of an adult, and they have the sexual maturity to attract the attention of males. But, unfortunately, this is paired with a lack of life-experience, an immature brain, and child-like logic and reasoning skills. And in our culture, we characterize females as children up until 18, even though, nowadays, its not uncommon to come across 14 year old girls who could pass as 18 both in their sexual maturity and the way they choose to dress, accentuating their maturing bodies.
I can definitely see how schhols have become a sort of frontline for this battle. Because Schools are running into this problem where they have to respect a females right to dress in a way that makes them feel happy, confident, and desired-this often means sexy. But, OTOH, the school also has to worry about the safety of these same females because they are still children, and the schools have a certain degree of responsibility for their physical, mental, and emotion well-being while attending classes, extra-curriculars, and dances.
This puts schools in a position where they are really kind of damned-if-they-do-damned-if-they-don't. If they restrict dress-code for class, and dances, then they can come off as overly puritanical, nurturing negative views on sexuality, and stifling a young woman's ability to grow into her sexuality in a healthy way.
But if they don't put in place strict enough standards of dress-code, then they run the risk of offending the sensibilities of the ever-present "concerned parent." And possibly jeopardizing the emotional health of a young woman who may fall prey to the scathing, and insensitive remarks of other teenagers who may brand little miss sunshine a slut b/c of the amount of skin she decided was appropriate.
Another wildcard in this whole mess, is the presence of teachers, both male and female, who are fresh out of college, and at 22-23, some of them find themselves caught in a situation where they are looking at these students who are sometimes only 5 years younger, and they look like mature adults, and they may have their moments when they act like mature adults, and so then you have these teacher-student love affairs and young men and women in their mid twenties losing their careers, and labeled as sex offenders b/c they were caught up in this extremely sensitive arena of blossoming sexual awareness, and they could not maintain the distinction between adults and children....
We are just in a weird sensitive place as a culture, and eventually, somethign is going to have to give.
On a personal note:
This past summer, I was at Cedar Point, and some of the things I saw young, young girls wearing was just crazy...and on top of that, my brother and I could not help but realize that we were completely unable to soundly, and with certainty determine which girls walking around were adults and which were children. It is kind of scary anymore, b/c you just don't know.
I really think it would help if we figured out some way in which girls either over 18 or under, should have to wear some kind of determining marker....like a wrist-ban or something.
I wish to wash my Irish wristwatch......
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I know this will become another conspiracy theory, but how many times have you heard a muslim civilization say something like, the women have to cover up as it's distracting to the men? Islamists are all about enforced morality.
Nawl, not really. At least no Muslims that I know. Maybe if we're reading the Quran to make them out to be evil, but we can do that with any theology book. Heck, I even know a good amount of muslim women who wear yoga pants. Because, uh, they look great and are comfortable (Don't know from first hand, but that's what I hear).
You obviously don't know any orthodox Muslims.
I agree with your premise that taking religion at its word makes religion look silly and ridiculous...
But if you want to fly that flag, you have to pay the piper.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
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Just clicking on you and mainly because it is n interesting topic. With that said, call my daughter a slut, your losing your teeth and no matter the age, and I don't care what age they are. Do young women dress like sluts? Yep, but not under my roof. Our country is losing the values instilled in many and this is one of those issues. It boils down to the parents and how the raise their children, this is not an issue to me, since it won't happen under my house. Fact!
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I know this will become another conspiracy theory, but how many times have you heard a muslim civilization say something like, the women have to cover up as it's distracting to the men? Islamists are all about enforced morality.
Nawl, not really. At least no Muslims that I know. Maybe if we're reading the Quran to make them out to be evil, but we can do that with any theology book. Heck, I even know a good amount of muslim women who wear yoga pants. Because, uh, they look great and are comfortable (Don't know from first hand, but that's what I hear).
You obviously don't know any orthodox Muslims.
I agree with your premise that taking religion at its word makes religion look silly and ridiculous...
But if you want to fly that flag, you have to pay the piper.
Buy the ticket, take the ride.
I do know a good amount of Orthodox Muslims, but whenever we talk about problems concerning them it's more towards the invading Israel rather than what women should wear in public.
And I'm not down for the cause like that. I don't even follow organized religion at all, but if someone wants me to clarify my statements, I will, but I won't go further than that.
Also, to the person asked what slut shaming was (and read the wiki) it can be essentially be boiled down into one awful joke:
Person 1: Why is a girl called a slut when she sleeps around, and a man called a God?
Person 2: If the lock opens to every key it's a crappy lock. If a key opens every lock it's a master key.
So basically: Just upholding unfair treatment to men and women and all that jazz.
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I understand connecting this to the burka thing, but the paradox is combining this with the even more prevalent message of body image and sexual attraction.
It's hardly surprising that kids are showing (what seems to me as an old guy) unhealthy signs of sexuality.
What hasn't changed is the double standard that kids are accepting at an earlier age.
Parenting is important, but it seems most of what I've read so far involves killing any boy who looks at a daughter or teaching a daughter to avoid dangerous situations.
I've got 3 grand-sons and I plan to do my best to teach them the reality of what the media is modeling.
I know I sound self righteous, but I'm not able to think of a different way to explain how I would feel if one of them were involved in treating anybody as an object.
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But we're still focused on her responsibility.
Yes but not at the exclusion of the boys responsibility.
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If she wants to be included in the latest fashions she should be prepared to get unwanted attention because boys can't help themselves?
You can dress in the latest fashion without looking like a whore. It's plain and simple. If she wants to dress in provocative fashion then she is doing so to get attention. Unfortunately if you are going out in public, you can't necessarily control what type of attention and from whom you get attention. None of this has any bearing on the fact that boys SHOULD be able to control themselves.
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Um, exactly what I'm talking about it's her human nature to be physically attractive, but she's being told if she does guys wont be able to control themselves.
You seem to be confusing physically attractive with dressing like a whore. It is in her nature to be physically attractive and to attract the attention of guys... which guys does she want to attract and why? I spend a fair amount of time on college campuses, it takes about 2 minutes to look at a young lady and tell what kind of attention she is trying to attract.
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Yea I know culture is hard to change, but I'm asking who has the most responsibility to be prepared?
These girls and most are told it's them.
It is on them to be prepared and consider the message they are sending... if something happens they likely are the victim. I'm not absolving boys who can't control themselves from blame, if they do something inappropriate it's their fault and they should be punished.... but just as I would not advise a young girl to got to an ATM in a bad neighborhood at night and take out $300 and wave it around before sticking it in her purse... or advise her to leave her car unlocked with the purse, phone, and GPS on the front seat, I would also not advise her to go out in a skimpy outfit that makes her look like a sex object.
The funny thing is that you also seem to think that girls don't fully understand what they are doing and the effect they are having. I was in the College of Charleston cafeteria a couple weeks ago, at the table behind me were two attractive young girls who were discussing a sorority party that was going to happen in a couple days. One girl said, "I need to go out and get a new black skirt that goes with my 5" f**k-me pumps." Now why do you think every girl over the age of 15 or 16 knows that is what those shoes are called in slang? Because they look like stripper/hooker shoes and girls know, 100%, the kind of message they send to guys. Yes, they make you taller, which is good, they make your calves look better, which is good, they cause you to walk with more of a sway, which is good.. all of those things make you "more attractive"... but in the end, they send a very simple message...
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Well the fact of the matter is I know many women in my family and in general who have worn strapless gowns and the use of the word whore is alittle bothersome and doesn't really work toward disproving my concern. So basically she can dress any whorish way she wants if she's packin' a piece? I get your point, but I guess the bother for me is why do younger and younger girls feel pressure to visually please boys and then end up being called sluts?.
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I know many women in my family and in general who have worn strapless gowns and the use of the word whore is alittle bothersome and doesn't really work toward disproving my concern.
We had strayed pretty far from the original article... and I clearly said that I don't have a problem with strapless gowns per se... but some wear a little different than others.
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So basically she can dress any whorish way she wants if she's packin' a piece?
I suppose thats one way to look at it. Personally seeing a scantily clad chick with a glock would turn me on considerably. 
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but I guess the bother for me is why do younger and younger girls feel pressure to visually please boys and then end up being called sluts?
That's the 8 gazillion dollar question. If we could figure out a way to tell them they don't have to do that and we could put it in a book we'd be rich overnight. I mean I get the "visually pleasing" part because that covers everything from hair cut to hygiene to just general fashion.. it's the sexually provocative part that I struggle with. How do you convince a teen girl that any guy that only wants to go out with her because she shows half her ass or boobs and appears to be an easy sexual conquest isn't a guy she should want to go out with anyway?
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How do you convince a teen girl that any guy that only wants to go out with her because she shows half her ass or boobs and appears to be an easy sexual conquest isn't a guy she should want to go out with anyway?
Let them go out with them for awhile.
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How do you convince a teen girl that any guy that only wants to go out with her because she shows half her ass or boobs and appears to be an easy sexual conquest isn't a guy she should want to go out with anyway?
Have a good parental relationship. (mom and dad)
Establish a good family relationship with your daughter or son.
Make sure your daughter knows her worth lies in much more than her looks.
Don't let your daughter go out looking like trash.
From a young, young age, build your daughter's self esteem not based on looks, but on qualities (not t and a qualities)
And, have the young man enter your home when taking your daughter out on a date. Make sure he sees the family.
Does that ensure anything? No. But it gets you half way.
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How do you convince a teen girl that any guy that only wants to go out with her because she shows half her ass or boobs and appears to be an easy sexual conquest isn't a guy she should want to go out with anyway?
Have a good parental relationship. (mom and dad)
Establish a good family relationship with your daughter or son.
Make sure your daughter knows her worth lies in much more than her looks.
Don't let your daughter go out looking like trash.
From a young, young age, build your daughter's self esteem not based on looks, but on qualities (not t and a qualities)
And, have the young man enter your home when taking your daughter out on a date. Make sure he sees the family.
Does that ensure anything? No. But it gets you half way.
Don't let your daughter believe that she's incomplete if she doesn't have a boyfriend in her life. I know a lot of girls who bounce around from relationship relationship because they've been taught this.
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How do you convince a teen girl that any guy that only wants to go out with her because she shows half her ass or boobs and appears to be an easy sexual conquest isn't a guy she should want to go out with anyway?
Have a good parental relationship. (mom and dad)
Establish a good family relationship with your daughter or son.
Make sure your daughter knows her worth lies in much more than her looks.
Don't let your daughter go out looking like trash.
From a young, young age, build your daughter's self esteem not based on looks, but on qualities (not t and a qualities)
And, have the young man enter your home when taking your daughter out on a date. Make sure he sees the family.
Does that ensure anything? No. But it gets you half way.
Don't let your daughter believe that she's incomplete if she doesn't have a boyfriend in her life. I know a lot of girls who bounce around from relationship relationship because they've been taught this.
Agreed. And known. I strive to make sure she knows her value is NOT in a boyfriend, it's in her. Mom and dad love her, and show it. Sports is a big thing for her, so we do that. Shooting is a big thing for her (to my surprise and delight), so we do that. Church is big. Boys? Their second fiddle, if even that high.
She has a few friends that are boy crazy....and it's one drama after another. We talk about it. I'm doing the best I can, and I just hope it's enough.
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