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Top 100 So guys how many Browns will grace the list this year? Just saw TRich go no.71! I honestly didn't think he deserved or would get on but can't complain. Thomas, Cribbs and DQ have made it before. I suspect DQ, Thomas, Mack, Haden and Ward are the only possibilities. Considering London-Fletcher, Staley, Unger, Flowers and Polomalu have been shown already I don't see why all couldn't be included.
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That goes to show what we think by just watching compared to what the players think who have to play or game plan against. Big difference!!!!!! Of course most on here think they no better than anyone else. 
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TRich ahead of Boldin and Harvin seems incorrect. Based on his performance TRich shouldn't be on this list yet. But that's okay. Thomas is a lock. Haden should be.
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I think this list is the player's rankings. As such, its credibility is hard for me to argue against. I also saw a video on the league site of TRich being interviewed. Very genuine, humble and team oriented. He's not the most media polished guy but his love for the game and his belief in himself and the team comes through. I don't think its a stretch to say we haven't yet seen his best football as a Brown.
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See what I mean?
Why should you over the players who know better make that decision?
He is there because he is that good dude! The players have nothing to gain. They not picking in a popularity contest.
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Because players play the game instead of combing over the statistics every week?
TRich had a lousy 2012. This seems more like a projection for a very talented runner.
If you take gander at the list it doesn't make a lot of sense so far. Harvin was in the running for MVP and rightfully so.
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That is funny!!!! Its all about the stats then huh? We might as well start playing stratamatic football since stats are what its all about. LOL
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950 yards rushing 11 TD 51 rec. 367 yards 1 TD Yep, lousy season. 
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And you know better than the players that actually play against him since you actually watch the games and they actually play the game ???? Hilarious!!!!
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51 rec. 367 yards 1 TD
Yep, lousy season.
Exactly. I'll never understand why people are so hard on this guy. Is it because of his draft position? Whatever it is, people need to gain some perspective. Calling 2012 a "lousy" year for him is simply unfair.
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If you guys think TRich is a better player or had a better season than Percy Harvin I don't know what to tell you. I have my opinion you have yours. In my eyes Hardesty was leaps and bounds better than TRich everytime he touched the ball. TRich was playing with busted ribs and it showed. That is all from me 
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I've got to say I see where King is coming from. I don't think it was a lousy season, as he says, but it certainly wasn't great. It's not about season totals it's about per play production. Of that TRich was waaaaay below average. That said I think he will be a great player and have great seasons but due to multiple reason we all know I don't understand how people could call this a great season.
He is on the list because he is a great talent. Not because he had a great season. JMHO Take it as an attack on our own guy if you want. I love him. But to say it was a great season is being a homer.
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He was 71 !!!! Its not like he was top 25 or something. To be in the top 100 is not beyond reason. Besides this is rankings....not best statistics.
Heck....last year Peyton Manning made the list and didn't play a snap the year before. Its RANKINGS!!!!
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But Trent didn't avg 10 YPC , have 1000 yards receiving, score 32 TD's and rush for 3,000 yards so he sucked last year bro
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Because players play the game instead of combing over the statistics every week?
TRich had a lousy 2012. This seems more like a projection for a very talented runner.
If you take gander at the list it doesn't make a lot of sense so far. Harvin was in the running for MVP and rightfully so.
Well see, there you have it. You think that Stats are the only thing they use to decide... That's your first mistake.
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I was surprised to see him on the list. He was ahead of some really good players.
I think TRich had some really good highlights [like knocking Coleman's helmet off and the run against the Bengals] and he had name recognition from his college days.
Overall, I was disappointed in his play. I expected more from the 3rd overall pick in the draft. I think he left a lot of yards on the field. Very indecisive. I am not saying he sucks. He doesn't. He was pretty good. I hope he becomes great.
Frankly, I don't see how he was ahead of some of the players on the list other than the two reasons I mentioned earlier.
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I was surprised to see him on the list. He was ahead of some really good players.
I think TRich had some really good highlights [like knocking Coleman's helmet off and the run against the Bengals] and he had name recognition from his college days.
Overall, I was disappointed in his play. I expected more from the 3rd overall pick in the draft. I think he left a lot of yards on the field. Very indecisive. I am not saying he sucks. He doesn't. He was pretty good. I hope he becomes great.
Frankly, I don't see how he was ahead of some of the players on the list other than the two reasons I mentioned earlier.
Now I know that you are aware he was injured the majority of the season.. What I don't know is why you don't or won't take that into consideration.
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I believe Trich was a pretty good player and had a decent season, especially considering he had to deal with a knee surgery and played with broken ribs most of last season.
Richardson played behind an offensive line that needed some time to gel, that did get better as the season progressed. With the change at LG, from Pinkston to Greco and the addition of rookie RT Mitch Schwartz, the Oline performed better the last half of the season.
All things considered, our rookie RB had a pretty good year.
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That's really a dumb example.. I don't mean to say you are dumb,, no no. But the idea and the comparison is dumb..
If your ribs are banged up and you are having a hard time breathing, you probably don't even show up to work, TRich did. and my guess is, his job is a bit more physical than yours.
If he had a flu, he'd have sat out, you probably wouldn't even go to work either.
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Yes, I am aware that he was injured. I think that his problems didn't have anything to do w/his injuries. Broken ribs are nothing to be scoffed at. However, the guy sought out contact. He relished in it. He was fearless. Additionally, he made some very sharp cuts in the open field. He planted well. So, I don't think the knee was a big concern. His problems were more instinctual. He dances too much. Not quite decisive enough. He's not a one-cut back. I don't think Hardesty is great, but he was generally more effective than TRich because he hit the hole when he was supposed to. TRich needs to become more decisive. This isn't Alabama where your OL completely dominates the LOS on every play. He needs to become a better RB, rather than just a physical freak carrying the rock. Again, I am not saying he stinks. He has many strengths. He is strong. He has good enough speed. He cuts sharply. He runs through arm tackles. He catches well. He is very good in space. He was solid. I am just saying that he didn't show enough to be worth the 3rd overall pick and certainly wasn't in the top 100 players based on what I saw last year. Hopefully, he will progress and be the superstar he was said to be---you know, the best RB since Peterson.
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I like how people are bragging about his 900+ yards. He ranked 16th in the league in total yards. And his YPC was 3.6, well below 90% of starting running backs. Arguably he played as well as Michael Turner or Vick Ballard Woopity doo.
Frankly I think you guys are being homers.
Richardson could certainly be a top 100 for this season. And I think he was voted to be that due to his potential and draft spot. But his last season performance is hardly worth the consideration. I don't even consider it an opinion. That is what I am finding baffling here, I feel like I am arguing just a fact against your opinions.
As usual I lack tact but I don't see in anyway how I am wrong.
If Richardson had played like the Bengal's game all season I'd have no problem with him being top 50.
I can reiterate again. For a starting running back he wasn't good. He has the potential to be great. He hasn't been that yet. If the ratings take into consideration what a player will do or can do in the league 71 is potentially pretty accurate. With his ability I see top 10 as a real possibility.
He had the 16th most running yards and one of the lowest YPC averages in the league. He was timid and danced when approaching the line. He was fantastic in a few games and a few situations, but overall he wasn't good. If you found someone who had watched all of the browns games, but isn't a browns fan, I am absolutely certain they would agree with that assessment.
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I think so far we got DQ, Ward n Trent - will Assume Haden n Joe Thomas will be there. Did I miss anyone.
As for Trent deserving??? I don't understand the questioning of this: He had a solid rookie season n did so with 3 cracked ribs for a good part of it. Also rehab from knee surgery??? If I recollect. So possibly his peers respect him as a player. I see this not being incorrect. Its nice we got some players getting respect from some peers.
In the future "IF" we start winning I would suspect Mack, Schwartz, Gordon hit the top 100 as well.
??? Has Kruger been named yet. I think he should crack the list as well. Hopefully we get some of the young guys getting opportunities here will be there in the future. Bryant, Mingo, Cameron???
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Your confusion is a result of you not grasping the subtle distinctions being made. You make it sound like there are only two ways to interpret Richardson's year--either it was great or it was lousy. You are creating a Straw Man, my friend. No one is saying he had a great year. I responded to the "lousy" comment saying it wasn't fair. And the general beating he takes from some of you isn't fair either. But that's all I've said. I never said I thought he had a great year. I never said he deserved to be on that list. Looking at it statistically, he had an average year, a year that didn't live up to expectations. This is a fair assessment. Calling his performance "lousy" and relentlessly criticizing the guy is not fair or accurate.
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Broken ribs are nothing to be scoffed at
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However, the guy sought out contact. He relished in it. He was fearless.
That's the kinda guy I want on this team, a guy that is FEARLESS, is a HIT seeking missle and plays hurt.
And if while hurt, he doesn't perform to your lofty standards, I think injury is a fair reason.
Instincts are one thing that can be effected by pain. I know you are going to tell me otherwise, but I ain't buying into it.
I don't believe anymore needs said on the subject.. At least not from me,, But my guess is you will have a retort for me.. have at it, you are now in this conversation alone.
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As for Trent deserving??? I don't understand the questioning of this
yes, he had a solid rookie campaign considering the other factors. he may deserve to be on this list next year.
but, top100 is about equal to the top3 players from each team. or, if you go by position, less than the top5 players at each position.
do you think Trent Richardson was a top5 RB in the NFL last year?
that's the only consternation here.
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do you think Trent Richardson was a top5 RB in the NFL last year?
I'm sorry maybe I missed something... TOP 100 Statistical Players of 2013??? Nope I checked it again. It stated TOP 100 "PLAYERS" of 2013 voted on by their peers.
What I do think...Trent got RESPECT from the actually football players out there...not Bozos - Talking Heads n fans. So they didn't base it on STATS. So a Browns player finally got some respect. Maybe opponents came away knowing HE was Different than Others accruing excellent stats. Maybe they came away with the thought process of MAN I WISH HE WAS ON OUR TEAM.
I mean in the past it would be - HOW BAD DO WE SUCK we got NOBODY in the top 100. Now we are getting some respect of talent that is here n all of a sudden they are not deserving? As stated yes, I'm a bit confused?
JMHO of course...n much too positive so I guess I am incredulous on this subject.
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yes, Trent has the respect of his peers and that is good. I sure wouldn't want to have to tackle him either.
but, he wasn't among the top5 RB last year, by any measure (statistical, eyes, etc.).
i'm not upset he made it in the list. i'm happy he did. but, that doesn't mean we are not allowed to critique it.
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Lousy would be a more apt description if he had trouble with fumbles or media problems. He didn't really have those. But I felt his performance was below average (and it was) for a starting nfl running back. A running back behind our line getting 3.6 is lousy by my definition. If I think we'd be way better off with Hardesty, and get a similar performance from a guy like Oggy, I consider that lousy for a starter. I am being overly harsh in response to his praise and sort of judging based on what he is capable of. For Trent Richardson his rookie season will likely be by far his worst season in his career.
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Players are like fans in a lot of ways.
What is the single most enduring image of Trent Richardson from last year? Him running over Kurt Coleman, sending his helmet flying through the air from the impact.
Each player in the NFL plays only 13 out of the other 31 teams in the NFL each year. Players go by the highlights they see, and reputation as much as anything else when asked about a player they may not have played.
Trent Richardson trucked Kurt Coleman. The impact was so violent that they had to make a rule change so that he doesn't kill someone. (perception) Of course he's going to get a lot of votes.
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I mean in the past it would be - HOW BAD DO WE SUCK we got NOBODY in the top 100. Now we are getting some respect of talent that is here n all of a sudden they are not deserving? As stated yes, I'm a bit confused?
JMHO of course...n much too positive so I guess I am incredulous on this subject.
EO some people like to question things. I question it all but that doesn't make me negative. It's just my nature. How dull would it be if we all just congratulated Trent. I have seen anyone bashing Trent. Everyone has said he has great potential just that our opinion is different.
Why does everyone have to use the childish sayings like well I'm too positive so I guess my opinion doesn't matter? Just because people don't instantly bow down to you infinite wisdom doesn't mean you should resort to a childish tact. Again I like what you post and I rarely take part in you guys arguments but I just thought that was a little classless.
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And you know better than the players that actually play against him since you actually watch the games and they actually play the game ???? Hilarious!!!!
Everybody is entitled to their opinion.. otherwise just post the list, we can all read it and then it can be deleted.... and let's be honest, there are 32 teams in the NFL, each team plays 3 teams twice and 10 other teams.. not accounting for possible playoff matches, that means each team did NOT play 19 other teams.... Of those 19 other teams that did NOT prepare for the Browns, what do you think those players know about what TRich did last year? From what I hear from most players, the average fan watches much more football and looks into far more stats and watches far more commentary than they do because they are focused on their job at hand, which is who they play next. Because of the Browns lack of national games, which most other players DO watch, it wouldn't surprise me if the guys from the 19 teams the Browns didn't play, never saw a single rush by TRich...
I just look at some on the list, like Troy P who played in all of 7 games last year... I don't see how he makes the list. Is he probably the best safety over the last decade? Yes he is... does he deserve it this year playing in less than half the games? I don't think so.
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Free country/speech you are allowed to do whatever you wish. As a board member I'm just stating I don't "UNDERSTAND" the criticism.
I think the players realized the overall job from Trent was not the greatest thing out there equaling AP (probably #1 or #2) but most deservedly of #71 considering this top 100 is regarding mostly what is considered "IMPACT PLAYERS" I thought personally Schwartz had a better rookie season football wise than Trent. But I understand the parameters of this Top 100 stuff. TD's, Sacks, INTs out weigh a lot more prevalent football actions not perceived as "WOW" stuff. I get it. The CB who probably is not as good will get chosen cause he has a high INT highlight film as opposed to possibly one like Haden who defends passes n does not make the big INT. ???
In Trents case...his Run n Pass catching on a Offense that was pretty much NONE existing including his toughness...heck that HIT of him on the Eagle DB garnished him about 5% of his votes...lol  I get it.
What I don't get is how he is Undeserved via the parameters drawn by this Ranking. Not by Browns fans but by the NFL Players.
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Fair enough. I do think eotab has a good point, though. Maybe your expectations for what this list is supposed to show is a little off the mark.
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Thank you for your first paragraph giving some understanding to your post as I stated I DID NOT UNDERSTAND which doesn't mean I have to agree with you n vice Versa.
Then you had to insult me with the 2nd paragraph...WHY?
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Bow Down? How your tude changed wow? Just where did I ask that? or suggest that? Infinite wisdom...again insulting remarks. This Posting envy crap came out of nowhere after reading a very good discussion from the first paragraph.
As for the childish saying...I was told OUT RIGHT today just that. I have no credibility cause over the years I have been too Positive n too optimistic - Bottom line the final results have been a BAD team (W vs L) regardless of the football Bottom line I had no credibility cause of my "RAH RAH" posting. So don't give me crap about Bow down to me n I got this EGO wanting all to submit to my INFINITE WISDOM - then state I am making a NONSENSE CLAIM. When in fact I was told that TODAY.
"You have posted relatively positive for many years. Our record indicates there wasn't much to be positive about. Your opinions verses the results we have gotten are extremely far apart. To me, that sums it all up. Your optimistic posting verses the results we have seen."
This is what I was told today and its not the first time...but usually in a more subtle fashion.
Then I get you with the Crap about "Just because people don't instantly bow down to you infinite wisdom doesn't mean you should resort to a childish tact."
I can get your retort about what you perceive as a childish tact - you did not know what was going on in my head regarding the previous credibility judgment. But then you did the BOW DOWN...INFINITE WISDOM in there. I'm no psychologist but its obvious to me you had this Perception of me waiting to come out. 
Nobody puts up with more crap than I - I try to be nice n sometimes I envy Vers. I should really blast into posters more this way when I'm kind its much more pleasing...lol
Funny thing is I take so many pills that keep me low keyed. I hardly ever yell when I coach anymore probably pent inside raging to come out...lol
But thanks for the KIND WORDS...nice to know what you think of me. 
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Part of my overreaction is because Pervy Harvin is so low. I'm sure I'll be less pissy once the list gets longer and more players don't deserve their slots 
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j/c
I personally don't think that he deserves to be on the list but, he's a Brown so wooohooo!!!!
he was also the 3rd most overrated person in the top100
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Thomas should be VERY HIGH on this list, he is the best LT in the game ... Bar None ... JMHO
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Thomas should be VERY HIGH on this list, he is the best LT in the game ... Bar None ... JMHO
No doubt! Go Joe! Top 20 for sure. Top 10 maybe!
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