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10 wins. Heckert put together a solid roster. We didnt destroy the roster but added to it. The only spot in which we are now weaker than a year ago is kicker and you know what, I am tired of freaking fieldgoals anyway.
I got the HC that I have wanted. I truly believe in Chud. He sees mismatches in his sleep. He is the one guy that blows me away with his ability to anticipate and also manipulate defenses. If he can bring that ability to the head coaching position, we are in great shape. Now you throw in the Legend OC and the guy the Steelers wanted to replaced Lebeau for DC and I just see a winning combination.
Weeden, Richardson, Gordon and Little in a Norv Turner offensive behind a top 3 offensive line is going to be fun to watch. I think we are going to score a lot of points and the defense is going to get after it and really get after it when we have a lead.
I think we have the personnel to compete with anyone and the coaching staff to push us over the hump. It isn't that Weeden is great but I do believe he can look great in this offense and Richardson under Norv is needed as well.
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Don't post much because I can't compete with everyone's football knowledge, but I'm going to predict 11-5. I think that Chud and company have put together a nice team this year and expect to have some interesting Sundays.
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I agree with you guys. It's hard to argue against the coaching staff we've put together. The only problem is that we are going to start slow. Totally different offense, and a complex new defense that is tough to transition into (Horton throws the whole playbook at the team on day 1).
I'm thinking it will take half a season to get everything working decently well. I see us dropping some winnable games in that time.
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If we pull off a 9 win season with at least 1 win over the Bengals and Ravens, we are talking Wild Card! But lets be realistic. There are a lot of new pieces to put in place with players and systems.
The success of the offense depends not on Weeden as much as it depends on solid performances by Richardson and the O-Line. We will need to have the running game shoulder the load this year as the chemistry between the WRs and Weeden develops. I'm not sold on what Weeden has between the ears as well. Success defensively will depend on the front 7. We are still lacking in the secondary and will most likely get burned a lot if the pressure isn't on the opposing QB. We will be mismatched opposite of Joe Haden in the vast majority of our games this year.
The final verdict for me is 7-9. We will be slightly better than last year because of a better coaching staff. I'm more curious about their performance than the players. It's nice to have legit philosophies over the train wreck that was going on in Shurmur's head.
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j/c: I can't make a prediction because I haven't seen this team in action yet. It's too early. I do have a few thoughts though. I think it's real hard to define a win total w/this team. Take a look at most of the positive posts. Words like "if," "could," "should," "might," etc, etc. Most of the positive reports are based on potential, hope, and wishful thinking. That is not a criticism of the posters, because they used logic in identifying these strengths. My point is that it is really hard to say how good this team may be. Seriously, who are the proven stars on this team? Joe Thomas is the only one because Dawson and Cribbs are gone. Who are the proven solid players on this team? Kruger, Haden, DQ, Reubin, Bryant, Mack, Ward, Bess, and maybe Schwartz. I think we are going to have to rely on a lot of young guys making a big step-up in growth, performance, and production. Most of them have the ability to be good players, but will they? I don't know. They all have ifs, coulds, and shoulds attached to their names. And yes, I know that coulds and shoulds are not words.  I say the odds are that some improve quite a bit. Some improve a bit. And others prove they really aren't all that. Regardless, it will be fun to watch this season unfold under the guidance of an outstanding coaching staff. We "could" get a good read on most of these guys "if" they stay healthy and that "should" give us a great idea on how to approach the following off season .
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I can't make a prediction because I haven't seen this team in action yet.
That, and I think there are some very big questions with a lot of teams on our schedule. Starting with the first game (Miami) will all those big FA moves pay off week one? I think the Browns should be favored in that game if everyone goes into the game healthy.
I think there are serious questions with the Steelers. Will their defense be as intimidating with Harrison gone? Will Polamalu hold up all year?
The Ravens lost quite a few pieces and could be starting more than 1 rookie.
I think the one thing I feel very confident with us is that I think Chud and Norv get that run game going early on. I think that sets everything else up. I really want to see us get some leads so our defense can tee off on the opposition's passing game.
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The ability of this coaching staff to teach their offensive and defensive scheme(s) will be a factor in the team's 2013 record. At this time, I'm more concerned about the defensive side than the offensive side.
With Chud and Norv Turner handling the offensive side with Oline coach Warhop being a hold over, the teaching ability of the offensive coaching staff is less of a concern than the defensive side, IMO.
I believe Ray Horton and his defensive staff are more of an unknown when it comes to their ability to teach the 3-4 defense. Horton has only been at the DC level since 2011 and the defense Horton inherited in Arizona, in 2011, was the same coaching staff from the previous year (2010) and the Cardinals were already running the 3-4 when Horton took over in 2011.
The coaching staff on both sides of the ball will be challenged and the fans should take that into consideration in the first few games of the season.
This is year 4 of the 5 yr rebuilding plan started in 2010 and my expectations for 2013 have not changed...as I expect the team to be within a game of .500...7-9 being the low expectation and anything over 8-8 being the highest expectation.
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It is very obvious where the FO thinks the holes on this team are.
I think it honestly depends on how quickly this team learns... If the team doesn't learn their new schemes quickly... we could be picking first in the draft next year.
Looking at the roster and all of the holes and questions we have.. I think we are a 6-10 team.
The holes and questions I think we have are: QB,FB, CB's FS, P, K, ILB, OLB, G, WR, RB, TE, PR/KR.
QB's this could be a musical chair contest between Weeden and Campbell. Lewis holds up as the #3 for another year.
FB- I see this role changing to an H back type of player
CB's tons of new players and tons of unknowns. I expect will will find Haden and a nickleback and a number 4 CB out of this group. I don't think we have a #2 CB on the roster this year.
FS. We drafted a back-up S with a torn Achilles. I don't see him being ready for game one and 100%. He is a tweener type player and I am pretty sure we will be signing a player to start at FS or move a current CB to FS.
P- rookie vs 1 year of experience.
K- rookie vs inconsistent
ILB- Robertson is my projected starter next to DQ we also have Fort, JMJ and a bunch of newbies to compete *it seems like the staff likes their OLB to be taller and their ILB to be shorter it also explains why the staff has so much competition here.
OLB- we have Kruger groves and mingo- outside of that... nothing
G- we have a pot luck approach here... everything from under-performing, new, blood clots, to multiple knee surgeries.
WR- This group is very Young, Inexperienced, and a glaring neon green.12 WR's to choose from. Little Gordon Bess make up 3 of the 5 or 6 (depending on a PR/KR) I think this group will have lots of coaching moments.
RB- Richardson- Hardesty and OBI seem to be the 3 but with all of the talent they brought in to compete... Richardson might be the only one of the 3 to still be on the team after final cuts.
TE- I don't think I can remember a season where I have seen so many TE's on a our roster. We have 7 listed. Cameron seem to be the receiving TE out of the group but that could change very easily.
PR/KR- I feel like this is Benjamin's job to lose... I could be wrong. We might have two players on the roster at the end of preseason splitting each duty.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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I will guess either 6-10 or 7-9.
And I'm not so sure 5-11 isn't a distinct possibility as well. As many have said, it's a bit too early to say. While many consider that negative, I feel it's quite worthy of being legitimate.
On both sides of the ball this coaching staff is installing totally new schemes. That's not to be taken as lightly as I feel some posters wish it to be. Over the course of time I do think it will be positives on both sides of the ball, but not so much in year one of these major changes.
So as much as many wish to be positive, and as I said, over the long run I do believe these changes will be positive, we must be realistic that this won't be some overnight transformation.
Many on our D will have to learn to play different positions, different assignments and all new schemes. On O, while it does appear this system is more suited to Weedens strengths, an entire new playbook and scheme will have to be learned by all of our players.
It's not going to be some seamless transition.
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I'm just looking for 4 OTA and rookie camp info.. and someone wants to hear my season prediction? LMFAO
It's 2 months TOO early for that
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Anything is possible. I'm just taking a look at all of the drastic changes and feel this year isn't the time for us. I would far more likely see that in one of the next two years than this season.
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One of two things is going to happen... the Browns will either go 6-10 or 10-6... nothing in between.
The schedule is not terribly difficult and if the Browns can get a couple wins early and stay healthy, 10-6... if they start slow and fall into the same old woe-is-us mentality, 6-10...
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J/C I'm with Vers on this one... how in the world do you predict what this team is going to do with all the unknowns involved? With a new offense, new defense and plenty of new players in key positions, that's a ton of moving parts. That said, I don't believe we're bereft of talent. I think we have some good, young and maturing players who could step up this season (new system or not). I would be surprised if we ended up worse than last year. Question for me is: how quickly can our guys get plugged into the new systems and function without having to think too much? My pre-season SWAG would be 5-7 wins. However, I reserve the right to amend this once we start to see how all the pieces are starting to come together (or not) through TC and the pre-season. 
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I don't think Chud's system will take as much time as Pat expected his offense to take to develop.
I think it's a little more meat and potatoes then whatever the hell that last regime was trying to do.
While there is fresh ownership, and a new staff, and a few new key players (Mingo, Kruger, Bryant) I think the roster as a whole has already progressed. 1st and second year guys are now becoming 2nd and 3rd year guys. The language will be a bit different, but I think the pieces are in place for this team to be much better.
I still worry about stopping the run, but I expect a lot of improvement all over the field.
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The biggest thing about trying to figure out how we'll do is the QB spot.
If Weeden wins the job, then how will he perform? If he throws 22-24 or so TD passes, the we'll probably have a decent year. (and only 10 or so INT) If he throws only 10-14 TD, we'll probably be a 4-5 win team. I think that the QB is the single most important part of the equation, and the biggest question this team has.
If Campbell wins the starting spot, then he has to stay healthy. If we are to have a good year, then he also has to do something that he has only done one time in his entire career, and throw 20 or more TD passes. Unfortunately, the only time he threw 20 TD, he also threw 15 INT. That makes it tough to win.
No matter which QB wins the competition, he has to perform for the team to win more than a handful of games. There really is no more important factor.
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I say 12-4. Have home field advantage for the playoffs. Beat Houston and Baltimore to reach the Super Bowl.
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I say 12-4. Have home field advantage for the playoffs. Beat Houston and Baltimore to reach the Super Bowl.
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So Dawson misses the FG to send the game to OT?
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Nope. Kaepernick gets hurt with the Niners leading 24-20, with the ball, and 30 seconds remaining. Colt McCoy enters the game for the kneel down. He fumbles the snap, and Mingo recovers it and runs it in for the TD. 
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So Dawson misses the FG to send the game to OT?
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You have to sneak in a McCoy throwing the ball into the ground play in there.
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I'm with Vers on this one... how in the world do you predict what this team is going to do with all the unknowns involved?
You guess, use some twisted logic, have fun with it, and realize there is no penalty for being wrong... but if you are right, you get bragging rights for a long time as a football prognosticating guru.
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Maybe he tries to down the snap, but throws it as a lateral ..... which the Browns recover and take to the house?
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You have to sneak in a McCoy throwing the ball into the ground play in there.
maybe he tries to but Mingo dives for it and the 49ers think he was down so noone touches him as he waltzes into the endzone
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I agree, and think it's going to happen.
The big positive I see is the new staff. I can't express how much I feel Rat Shurmer and crew held this team back.
I also see a big positive in how the current braintrust put their ego's on hold and traded picks for next year, knowing we had a boob as a head coach (the bad kind of boob) and some players they would be better off watching another year before cutting loose.
Face it, if you are going to cut players, it isn't going to be players you just drafted, so I think that move says volumes about Banner and Lombardi.
I don't think they are seeking credit. They are seeking to see that the team gets better.
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I wonder how proven you consider, Gordon, Little, and Richardson?
As for the Season prediction, I just want to know how many points they have to score to beat the Dolphins in game 1.
They've got to start winning openers!
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This team has more talent top to bottom than more that half the league.
The big question is QB. If Weeden elevates his game and is a great fit with Turner and Chud watch out.
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How about Buttfumble Part Deux?
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The biggest thing about trying to figure out how we'll do is the QB spot.
Without a doubt, the QB position in general, and Weeden specifically, gives me the most pause about our chances this year.
We could have a pretty decent team, but if we don't get a significant improvement from our QB this year, it's all for naught and we are going to be a fairly poor team in regards to our won/loss record. And while some may want to diminish the value of wins and losses, it is how a team is ultimately judged.
I've been thinking a lot about the common theme that Weeden should do much better in Chud/Norv's system. While I believe that he will improve, I also think that there is a very real possibility that the guy might throw a ton of interceptions.
He throws late. He doesn't throw w/anticipation. His decision making seems poor. W/out the handcuffs that Shurmur put on him, it is possible that he has a Tim Couch year, such as when he threw 21 picks in 2001.
Of course, he could be replaced before he throws that many because Chud isn't married to him the way we were married to Couch.
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like your analysis maybe if weeden stays healthy and improves.
but my guess is weeden goes down and we are left with campbell for 10 games.
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I've been thinking a lot about the common theme that Weeden should do much better in Chud/Norv's system. While I believe that he will improve, I also think that there is a very real possibility that the guy might throw a ton of interceptions.
I've been trying to tell people this for months. From the outside you would think a strong armed QB like Weeden would thrive in Norvs system but I really have my reservations about Weeden.
In the WCO you limit mistakes and increase completion % through high % passes leading to more methodical drives. He really didn't do that. He still threw quite a few ints and had a low completion % for a simple WCO.
People seem to think if you throw him in Norvs O his arm will make him a better fit. He could progress but I think he's inaccurate at all levels. We could be in for a lot more INTs and a lower completion %. TDs are important but if he's stalling drives with inaccuracy and turnovers like mad we'll only get TDs from 30 yards out or thanks to TRich breaking it. I'm normally very optimistic but as much as I've looked into details for this season I really think were in for a looong season followed by an attempt at the elusive franchise QB.
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Already...I'll be happy with anything. As a complete devout homer. I see each game individually n come away with - OK we can win that.
So I come away with 16-0. 
Yes QB will be a big thing for any kind of winning season. We'll see on that.
Also big will be how fast we conform to the NEW D cause that is very key to become a dominating team. One can survive a lot of O mistakes with a dominating D...The O becomes very effective n eliminates the mistakes...hey maybe 16-0
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vs Dolphins........................W @ Ravens..........................W @ Vikings..........................W vs Bengals.........................W vs Bills...............................W vs Lions.............................W @ Packers.........................W @ Chiefs............................W vs Ravens...........................W Bye....................................Tie @Bengals...........................W vs Steelers..........................W vs Jaguars...........................W @ Patriots...........................W vs Bears..............................W @ Jets................................W @ Steelers..........................W Divisional Round vs Ravens............................W Conference Championship vs Broncos..........................W Super Bowl vs 49ers..............................L Phil D nails a 64yd'er as time expires.  Hence, 18-1
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@ Ravens..........................W
@ Vikings..........................W
vs Bengals.........................W
vs Bills...............................W
vs Lions.............................W
@ Packers.........................W
@ Chiefs............................W
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Bye....................................Tie
@Bengals...........................W
vs Steelers..........................W
vs Jaguars...........................W
@ Patriots...........................W
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@ Jets................................W
@ Steelers..........................W
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Hence, 18-1
I think we take on the Bye week, and spank it 21-0... no tie
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I'm convinced better days are ahead for the Browns, but I'll give you the three biggest reasons 2013 probably isn't going to produce the end of their 10-year playoff drought, tied for the second-longest in the league behind Buffalo: Baltimore, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Cleveland's division is simply devoid of a soft touch, and even if you view the aging Steelers as being on the descent, the Browns can't count on automatic wins in any of their six AFC North games. Until that dynamic changes, it's hard to find math that adds up to a Cleveland playoff run.
There's the making of something pretty good on defense for the Browns, and with new coordinator Ray Horton, Cleveland won't have to score 30 points to win. But the offense remains a weapon-needy work that's very much in progress, and there's probably too much initial hope being placed in new offensive coordinator Norv Turner's and new head coach Rob Chudzinski's ability to transform Brandon Weeden (or Jason Campbell) into an upper-half-of-the-league quarterback.
2013 playoff chances: If Weeden takes root, you can talk to me in 2014 and I'll have a rosier outlook.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130515/last-place-turnarounds/#ixzz2TOfTI4l6
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I'm convinced better days are ahead for the Browns, but I'll give you the three biggest reasons 2013 probably isn't going to produce the end of their 10-year playoff drought, tied for the second-longest in the league behind Buffalo: Baltimore, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Cleveland's division is simply devoid of a soft touch, and even if you view the aging Steelers as being on the descent, the Browns can't count on automatic wins in any of their six AFC North games. Until that dynamic changes, it's hard to find math that adds up to a Cleveland playoff run.
There's the making of something pretty good on defense for the Browns, and with new coordinator Ray Horton, Cleveland won't have to score 30 points to win. But the offense remains a weapon-needy work that's very much in progress, and there's probably too much initial hope being placed in new offensive coordinator Norv Turner's and new head coach Rob Chudzinski's ability to transform Brandon Weeden (or Jason Campbell) into an upper-half-of-the-league quarterback.
2013 playoff chances: If Weeden takes root, you can talk to me in 2014 and I'll have a rosier outlook.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130515/last-place-turnarounds/#ixzz2TOfTI4l6
I think that's a pretty fair assessment. The only thing I'd argue with is that our offense is more of a sure thing than our defense right now. That could easily change as soon as the middle of the season, but right now the defense is the huge ????
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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If the Browns do that, then I don't think the Niners will be able to get back, so I think they'd play a different NFC team in the super bowl.
What are the chances the Niners win the NFC anyway, even if they have the best team, I think someone can knock them off.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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You know, I've had it with your glass half empty attitude!
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