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I want to see an accounting for what went out, and what came back ..... under both the Bush and Obama administrations. So do most conservatives on this board.
here you go. they keep it pretty up to date:
http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/
Here is an individualized list of the companies (same site):
http://projects.propublica.org/bailout/list/index
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You know what is a deflection? Blaming others for not starting the topics that you want to talk about.
You know what is worse? Then grouping and labelling them so that you can make a tidy political-based rant about it.
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The tax code is a mess because it's been adjusted and readjusted by the companies who pay for the government.
Which is pretty much what I said, only I place the bulk of the blame on our politicians for allowing themselves to be bought and paid for by corporate interests.
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Well I didn't want to insult anyone's intelligence with information apparently everyone is aware of
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yet they keep posting weird little provocative tidbits complaining about people or government policies that are minor issues when it comes to who is in charge of the government.
I supposed if you consider 4 dead in Benghazi, keeping phone records of the AP reporters, etc. "weird little provocative tidbits" then I suppose you are right but they seem like pretty major issues to me.
As far as pop-tart and Lego guns and individuals who refuse to pay their loans... have you ever noticed how most of those stories are just used as a lead-in to discuss the bigger issue which is student loan debt and the stupidity of zero-tolerance policies? Typically those discussions start out about isolated incidences and then morph into conversations about bigger underlying issues.
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You're close, but not quite there yet.
The biggest thing we need to do is examine this and other government programs, and understand that this level of debt and wastage is the norm, rather than unusual. If this debt is bad, then the total amount of national debt at about SEVENTEEN times this number is a guillotine blade hanging over our collective heads.
We are now well past the point when arguing about what should be done for this or that group of people is like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titannic. Very soon now, the money just won't be available. There will be a multitude demanding to be fed, very few loaves and fishes to do it with, and nobody available who can walk on water.
Giving the government the amount they get now is stupid. Giving them MORE money is suicidal. Their role needs to be severely limited.
My statement was germane to student loans only.
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Of course there is, but where are the stories of whining for the bailouts and not one person has seen a jail cell?
You've been here a m¿nth? And your asking about the reactions to something from 4 years ago? Had you been here you would have known, so don't think it didn't happen just because you didn't get to read it.
Sorry I didn't realize these problems were solved and put to rest 4 years ago. Yea the real problem is pop-tart guns and kids' college tuitions. 
That's not what he's saying.. Geesh..
You weren't posting when some of those topics were current. At least you weren't posting here. Or at least not under the handle you use now..
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No I'm just commenting on the majority of threads being posted during the time I have been on this forum. The Monsanto vote happened while I've been over here but no one posted about it so I figured there was only one type of gripe going on here. Sorry if I have misunderstood what seems apparent at this time. I'll try to keep aware of posts that don't pertain to conservative talking points. My apologies.
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The Monsanto vote happened while I've been over here but no one posted about it so I figured there was only one type of gripe going on here.
the board is reliant on the posters putting out the topics that interest them the most. if something happens and you want to gauge reaction to it, then please post an article about it when it happens (or heck, later if you want and see what happens).
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You were welcome to create a topic on it if you wish to discuss it. but how can you be worried about biotech farming when we have bailout bankers walking free?  but ultimately I would guess it is because most of us don't truly know much about it, or have much information to base an opinion.
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Also, I just posted in the LEGO gun thread.
Posters here are very good about getting to the real problem at hand. They're not spending 5 pages discussing the LEGO gun/banana/toast used in the incident. They're talking about zero-tolerance rules and student loan debt's effect on the US. Single examples to kick off discussions on large issues.
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No I'm just commenting on the majority of threads being posted during the time I have been on this forum.
As long as you are holding yourself as equally responsible and accountable for the lack of threads on those topics as all of those "conservatives" you judged, then this is fine. Otherwise, you're just trolling.
Perhaps actually find out how people feel about something before projecting your beliefs of how things are onto people just so that you can make some willy-nilly political rant about a group of people.
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No I'm just commenting on the majority of threads being posted during the time I have been on this forum.
The Monsanto vote happened while I've been over here but no one posted about it so I figured there was only one type of gripe going on here.
Sorry if I have misunderstood what seems apparent at this time. I'll try to keep aware of posts that don't pertain to conservative talking points.
My apologies.
Your posts on the left side of justice have been scarce as of late, perhaps the scandals will fade and you can post away.
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I'm not terribly educated in this discussion, but I can offer my personal experience. I am a 30-something with a family, mortgage, utilities, etc. I have a few loans and work to save more and hope to be completely out of debt at some point in my life.
However, the last loans I will payoff - the very last - are my wife and my student loans. Why? Because the interest rate is 0.39% (No, I did not misplace the decimal point). In a world where mortgages are at an amazing 3.5%, that's still 10 times more than what Sallie Mae charges me. People are regularly carrying debt on credit cards at 18+%, why would they ever pay off student loans?
For perspective, my balances are low, but my interest rates aren't special. Anyone who pays on time for a year or so will keep getting a lower rate like I did.
I don't know what percentage is bad debt, but I do wonder how many are in my situation rather than the 'unable to afford' situation.
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Why? Because the interest rate is 0.39% (No, I did not misplace the decimal point). In a world where mortgages are at an amazing 3.5%, that's still 10 times more than what Sallie Mae charges me. People are regularly carrying debt on credit cards at 18+%, why would they ever pay off student loans?
So if you were to take the money you would send to Sallie Mae and just invest it in CDs, which are currently around 1%, you are making money (not much, but some).... so yes, what is your incentive to pay off the student loans?
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It really depends on when you graduated/consolidated/etc. I pay 4 or 4.25% on one of mine and around 4.5% on another. Mine will be paid off in the next few years. My wife's... ugh, we'll still be paying hers off when our oldest is in college.
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The rates he is quoting here are for the federally subsidized part of the loans - the government stops subsidizing it (and the rates shoot up) if you start missing payments.
So the CD idea won't really work (at least for very long).
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Anybody with student loans outstanding should not be concerned about CD rates for savings. Your still young enough to be investing in "quality" companies in mutual funds for the long run, preferably in a tax deferred vehicle. And reinvest the dividends.
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I know. I was just making the point that if you can borrow money and earn more on it safely than the interest cost of borrowing it, that there is no incentive to pay it back.. I wasn't advocating that as a retirement strategy. 
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Rock what you do not realize in your short time here is that this board is made up of a few people on the left, a few people on the right, and the majority of people in the middle. I have been called a left winger, a right wing nut, and other names because I lean both ways depending on the issue at hand, while most people know I am neither of the above.
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Well I think I do realize it and everybody keeps informing me of it. I also believe that my comments are incredibly relevant to this thread. Obama and congress are going back and forth on what college kids should owe and whether that cost is tied to the market or not. My comment is that the same people who talk about the media not focusing on their issues are not commenting on the fact that this issue is market related, bank loan related and no one seems to think Obama and the congress are very happy to have the media focused on college kids rather than which lobbyist is writing the laws and why are they writing laws instead of letters from prison. If this type of comment makes me a troll then I'm happy to troll on, because my comment is no more conspiracy nut comment than a whole lot of other comments I've been reading. As far as my calling out conservatives I've explained before my belief that the conservatives agenda to attack anything dem or "liberal" only serves to cloud real issues. This government is not conservative/repub or liberal/dem it's a corporate run bureaucracy designed to increase profits and limit interference. Monsanto protection Act This was passed and signed by the president. It prevents state and local interference to stop farmers from growing genetically modified crops. While we focus on whether or not a kid should be forced into debt by the same people we bailed out our laws are being written to insure companies don't have to worry about such issues. Top Lobbying Firms So yea lets talk about kids ripping us off.
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Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I was busy working at my sub 6 figure job to help pay an attorney's student loan debt.  Others have addressed your other points, so I'll just stick with this one: Quote:
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Instead I keep reading yet another, "Look at this stupid person! How stupid can they be! I'M not THAT stupid!!" story. These stories and the "Kid brings a banana to day care pretending it's a gun!" stories are deflective attempts to avoid defining the REAL problems going on in this country.
Some these stories are a direct result of the real problems of this country.
No they aren't
They absolutely are and I explained why. Our government has nurtured a sense of entitlement at the taxpayers expense. It's a simple equation.....the more dependent the populace is on the government, the more control the government has over the populace. They are pushing "common sense" sacrifices of basic freedoms under the false premise that it's for our own good. If you don't see where all this is heading, I feel sorry for you.
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Don't want to accept responsibility for your actions? Blame someone else and let the government (taxpayers) take care of it for you.
You are aware that this is not how it works at all, correct?
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They probably do know those jobs are extremely stable. However, did you ever say, "Well, maybe you should aim a bit lower from an astronaut... Have you ever looked into plumbing?" to your child. Or did you tell them to dream big.
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No they aren't
They absolutely are and I explained why. Our government has nurtured a sense of entitlement at the taxpayers expense. It's a simple equation.....the more dependent the populace is on the government, the more control the government has over the populace. They are pushing "common sense" sacrifices of basic freedoms under the false premise that it's for our own good. If you don't see where all this is heading, I feel sorry for you.
Save your sorrow for you and yours.
Our government hasn't nurtured a sense of entitlement. We have because we have valued the idea that our kids are fortunate enough to do well in a country that used to offer a lot of opportunities.
You can say and believe that our government is entitling actual individuals who are not worth entitlement, but my point refers to the entitlement given to individuals defined in the SCOTUS decision.
The real drain on our economy is not from actual individuals it's from corporate individuals and these type of stories only serve to offer journalistic camouflage for these tax drinking, subsidy sucking untouchable entities.
The more we focus on our neighbors the more we and our neighbors fall behind the rest of the world in standard of living and corporations continue increased annual profits.
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Our government hasn't nurtured a sense of entitlement. We have because we have valued the idea that our kids are fortunate enough to do well in a country that used to offer a lot of opportunities.
Are you serious? You say we haven't, but in the very next sentence you say we have. Do you realize just how many Americans feel that the government owes them food and shelter, a college education, healthcare, cell phones, etc.? Only someone blinded by their liberal ideology would think that this isn't a sense of entitlement. (I totally agree that it exists at the big business level also, and with the biased government corporate welfare programs we do not have a competitive playing field.)
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They probably do know those jobs are extremely stable. However, did you ever say, "Well, maybe you should aim a bit lower from an astronaut... Have you ever looked into plumbing?" to your child. Or did you tell them to dream big.
The problem is, kids don't have a dream to shoot for in the first place. It's one thing to WANT to be an astronaut, and then go to college to achieve that dream. It's another to just go to college for the heck of it, get a degree in french history, and then be shocked that you can't find a job when you get out.
Many successful business owners today did so without graduating college. They got simple trade jobs that paid the bills. Worked hard at it and found better ways to do it. Eventually, they started their own company that did the same sort of thing and became successful business owners.
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Many successful business owners today did so without graduating college. They got simple trade jobs that paid the bills. Worked hard at it and found better ways to do it. Eventually, they started their own company that did the same sort of thing and became successful business owners.
I can name 3 of those people just from our little town.
I know today is a "different" time, but none of the 3 went past 8th grade. Common sense and a work ethic took them a long, long way.
Erie Sauder made furniture. A salesmen he sold to lamented the shipping costs. Erie figured a way to make what is now called "knock down" furniture. It saved on shipping. That company is now called Sauder Woodworking. There's a very good chance that if you have a computer desk, or an entertainment center cabinet, it was made by Sauder. 8th grade education.
I knew a guy that was a farmer. Then a farmer and a ditch digger. Then he saw 2 guys working out of their garage building scaffolding. He bought their "business".......he liked the concept. Turned it into a multimillion dollar business. He died in a car accident at age 68........but the business ended up being sold a decade later for around $100 million. 8th grade education.
There are some fields where education is an absolute - doctors, nurses, law, engineering......but there are a lot of jobs where hard work, and common sense, will take you far.
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They probably do know those jobs are extremely stable. However, did you ever say, "Well, maybe you should aim a bit lower from an astronaut... Have you ever looked into plumbing?" to your child. Or did you tell them to dream big.
The problem is, kids don't have a dream to shoot for in the first place. It's one thing to WANT to be an astronaut, and then go to college to achieve that dream. It's another to just go to college for the heck of it, get a degree in french history, and then be shocked that you can't find a job when you get out.
Many successful business owners today did so without graduating college. They got simple trade jobs that paid the bills. Worked hard at it and found better ways to do it. Eventually, they started their own company that did the same sort of thing and became successful business owners.
Most kids who major in French History actually, ya know, like the subject. Same with photography, liberal arts, and whatever else they have. You may not know of kid's dreams, but they most likely have them.
Yes, there was a time where people only went to college because they were very rich, needed to for their career field, or joined to draft dodge. However, those times have passed. Everyone parent I know wants their kids to go to college, because that's bettering themselves for the future, and be better than they were, so please don't blame the kids for what they're doing when it was your generation who taught them.
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Most kids who major in French History actually, ya know, like the subject. Same with photography, liberal arts, and whatever else they have.
Yeah, that's just it ... "They liked the subject" ... they don't really have any ambitions outside of that, otherwise they would of known the job-market or looked into what steps need to be taken to further a career outside of getting the degree. Unless their high-aiming goal was to be a French teacher ...
I know way too many students that were like that. They didn't have any interest in anything or any career ambitions, but they just went to college. They found a course they liked their Freshman year and majored in it. Then when they graduated, they couldn't' figure out why nobody would hire them.
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Yes, there was a time where people only went to college because they were very rich, needed to for their career field, or joined to draft dodge. However, those times have passed. Everyone parent I know wants their kids to go to college, because that's bettering themselves for the future, and be better than they were, so please don't blame the kids for what they're doing when it was your generation who taught them.
LOL ... my generation? I'm barely a decade out of college myself. I didn't go to college because I just had to have a degree in something. I went their because I had a specific goal in mind and a specific career path that I knew would have plenty of job offers down the line. And I wasn't even rich, or even close to rich at the time. I had no help from my parents, worked 3 part time jobs while at school, and lived on rice and water a couple of times during the school year to pay my way through.
At any rate, I'm not going to put my kids in college (when they're old enough) unless they have something specific they are aiming for and need a college degree to obtain it. Getting a degree for the sake of saying your a college graduate isn't a very smart investment. It's NOT bettering your kids for the future if they don't have a specific end target ... it's just heaping them with a pile of debt. Like I mentioned before, many successful business owners and "rich" people aren't even college graduates themselves.
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Are you serious? You say we haven't, but in the very next sentence you say we have. Do you realize just how many Americans feel that the government owes them food and shelter, a college education, healthcare, cell phones, etc.? Only someone blinded by their liberal ideology would think that this isn't a sense of entitlement. (I totally agree that it exists at the big business level also, and with the biased government corporate welfare programs we do not have a competitive playing field.)
I hate when people tell me I can't read, so I will accept that I didn't explain it well enough for you.
You claim people feel entitlement because of the government and I claim they feel entitlement because of how they are raised. Most PEOPLE/FAMILIES/PARENTS/SCHOOLS/CHURCHES/SOCIETY raise their kids believing this is a land of opportunity and their kids can do well if they only apply themselves and do well in school. That has long been a belief.
If there's anything that separates conservatives from NORMAL citizens it's the belief that most people are worthless welfare moochers. They pop off imagined numbers like, let's say, "47%" of people believe the government owes them everything they need to have a happy work-free lifestyle, much like the lifestyle that, let's say... Romney lives.
Hey, I bet there are people who abuse the system, but to listen conservatives it's people who they claim are on the government dole who are the worse and even though they may occasionally say, "yea, big business sure does take advantage of the government", they save their most frequent and damning comments for people who don't have money making money, like a lot of the "individuals" THAT (not "who") take huge chunks from our government. 
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If there's anything that separates conservatives from NORMAL citizens it's the belief that most people are worthless welfare moochers. They pop off imagined numbers like, let's say, "47%" of people believe the government owes them everything they need to have a happy work-free lifestyle, much like the lifestyle that, let's say... Romney lives.
I agree that the '47%' angle that the GOP has attempted to peddle is what largely caused them to lose the election.
With that said, to make the insinuation that conservatives are not 'NORMAL' or are somehow out of touch with the values of this country is disingenuous at best, and ignorant at worst.
There is no such thing as a uniform or 'NORMAL' citizen viewpoint, and to claim so is to be a part of the problem.
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Well then congrats to the normal people because they are slowly getting their way. You can now be unemployed forever and still get benefits, growing numbers of people on food stamps, we will soon have a corporate/government cooperative running our healthcare, taxes will be going up, the green agenda is being pushed, all of the social causes are making good progress, we are $17 trillion in debt and climbing... so congrats to the normal people, you are doing a heck of a job.
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You can go to college and study advanced basket-weaving, and that may indeed make you a better person.
However, whatever you choose to learn in college has no connection whatsoever with the obligation you undertake to pay back a debt. Making the choice to fail to re-pay the loan makes you a bad person, whether you know all there is to know about basket-weaving, or not.
Failing to consider the future effects of both the loan and the course of study doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, just an irresponsible idiot.
What sets liberals apart from conservatives is their belief that just because a person really wants something, they should have it. Conservatives believe that too, they just think that person should pay for it themselves, instead of insisting that somebody else do that for them.
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With that said, to make the insinuation that conservatives are not 'NORMAL' or are somehow out of touch with the values of this country is disingenuous at best, and ignorant at worst.
There is no such thing as a uniform or 'NORMAL' citizen viewpoint, and to claim so is to be a part of the problem.
Yes, I am and always will be part of the problem when it comes to talking to conservatives. They have identified themselves as conservatives and everybody else as liberals. When making points they usually use the word liberal at least once and usually in a derogatory fashion.
So, when I speak with them I give the respect they demand by speaking to them in kind. I really think they expect it.
Besides when someone considers themselves to be the ideal "American" and that America is the ideal country, while at the same time saying that everything about America sucks, I don't think that's normal.
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So, when I speak with them I give the respect they demand by speaking to them in kind.
Seems to me like you really speak to them as a group rather than individuals and you have based your method on those conservatives who yell the loudest and say the most outrageous things rather than the majority of the individuals who aren't nearly that bad... in short you are a bigot and a profiler....
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and that America is the ideal country,
In theory it should be....
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everything about America sucks,
In reality, a lot of things do.....
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